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At this point, I'm thinking you're scum.Unvote Vote iLord
He's really trying to get me lynched.
One does not just try and suggest a MC on Day 1 without reason, and one does not try to justify illogical ideas with jokes in the pregame thread.
Unless you provide further reasons, a MC will harm the town a lot more than it would help.-
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Glad to see this is going to be your method of defense.xtoxm wrote:^^
If town does feel it necessary to lynch me, watch out for opportunistic votes onto my wagon like that one in future days.
He brought it out before we got our roles as a relative joke. Only scum would continue to push this idea in the actual game, while trying to use the pregame as evidence of "this is not indictive of my alignment."Kloud wrote:1) I feel that the suggestion for a massclaim is a null tell at the moment, as while simply defending a suggestion based on pre-game conversation will not hold much weight, the fact that you brought it up before we even got our roles makes me feel that the suggestion is not necessarily indicative of alignment, as xtoxm was neither town nor scum at this point. And so, while I do not feel that massclaiming this early would provide any benefit, I don't think a case that xtoxm is scum because he wanted the massclaim is all that strong either. To me the suggestion seems to simply be an enthusiastic player jumping into the game.
I do believe that xtoxm knows better - he's not an enthusiastic newb - he can weight the benefits (barely any) and pitfalls (BIG pitfalls).
Don't forget the pitfall - the scum can cherrypick of players with powerful role names (The Mod said that this game was going to remain true to the game so it would make sense for main characters to be more important than the minor characters.)Kloud wrote:In my opinion, the only result of massclaiming at this point I feel would be intense character-role speculation, which is something I would rather avoid as it inevitably detracts from actually scum hunting due to the fact that players get caught up in following theories absent of evidence. This will only benefit scum, as the town will keep going round in circles.
I still don't like xtoxm - conceding his point does little - attempting to push this, using the pregame talk as a saftely net is extremely scummy.-
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"does not look at all genuine" is continuing to be vague - explain what part of his posts have not been genuine - he brings up vaild points in my eyes.xtoxm wrote:Well, like i've said, his attack on me does not look at all genuine, and it just looks like he's after a mislynch for me because i've made one little mistake, his play is not at all pro-town.
"just looks like he's after a mislynch for me because i've made one little mistake" - this line is correct except for the "mis" part - you've made a mistake, and he's caught you for it. What's the problem?
Also note the repeated use of the word "look." Is it or is it not genuine? "Looking" is not good enough - it allows you a backup for if Armlx is proven to be genuine, does not make your opinions solid, and helps you avoid conflicts, something that townies most undoubtedly do not need to worry about.
His attack has been infinitely more valid than your weak OMGUS on him.
"his play is not at all pro-town"
Why? You acted scummy - he's calling you out for it.-
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I can't complain here - I wanted this claim to happen sooner or later, and I prefered sooner.xtoxm wrote:Well i'm only a vanilla townie so go ahead and lynch me, i'm not important.
But armlx is probably scum.
I won't vote myself, i'm going to make scum vote me.
But the fact that you decided to claim vanilla, and not your flavor speaks volumes against you.
And this defeatist attitude is a not helping your situation - you can start by answering the questions I posed a few posts ago.-
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Even if you're town, that's horrible logic.Uh, well, no I haven't.
I'm a townie, i've no reason to lie about it.
You've dug your hole Armlx, stop trying to get out of it.
Lynch me today, get Armlx tomorrow.
Armlx just proved that you have seen it - stop blatantly lying in the face of evidence.
Armlx has not dug any hole, and hence is not trying to get out of it.
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"He didn't even link to the exact post where he said it."Xtoxm wrote:Yes, I was in the game.
How does that have any relation to what he said?
It doesn't. He didn't even link to the exact post where he said it.
I assure you, I have not seen it before.
Why would I lie about that??
What does this line mean?
It means he did say it.
It means that you know that he said it.
And it means that you are saying that you didn't know.
Which means you're lying.
Why are you lying?
Because you're scum!
You'reXtoxm wrote:I meant my alignment, not my role.alignmentcouldn't be less town?-
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FOS: cd and Zakeri for fearmongering
I do believe that Jesters are extremely looked down upon on forum play, and a jester that could win by getting lynched Day 1 is just pointless, cheap, confusing, and unfun.
By suggesting such, you're putting doubt on Xtoxm's lynch because of the possibility of a Jester, which is very scummy.-
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Okay, thanks for telling us.Armlx wrote:This is epic lulz.
BTW, to elaborate on xtoxm's dumb lie in PYP3, he claimed he wasn't posting in game b/c he was on LA. Profile -> See all posts by -> He's been posting like 15-20 times a day since he last posted......
I reapeat my earlier statement that Xtoxm is pretty much as screwed as you can be on in a daystart Day 1 by post 132.-
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Convinient that you decide to attack this point as untrue, the one that cannot be proven anymore. And I'm inclined to trust Armlx far more than I trust you.Xtoxm wrote:Just to confirm, this is a complete and utter lie.
It it bullshit pulled out of the air, it is a coincidence that I happend to be scum in that game.
I had my A-Level exams at that time, and players from others game would be able to confirm I was also V/LA in games as town.
Still not following my instructions, I see.-
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From newer players?Xtoxm wrote:I did hear somewhere that people who bring up the possibility of Jester are almost always scum, especially from newer players.
I'm under the impression that it is scummy for players with some more experience that understand how stupid the Jester role is, and its rarity.-
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I second GW's question.
At least Xtoxm is being rational now.
Doesn't help his situation much in my eyes, though.
It's just too unreal and unlikely.
Not to mention it makes no sense to put yourself out there and push for a massclaim on Day 1 if you are a power role.
And you story about claiming vanilla is weak.-
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I can't bring myself to believe that Xtoxm could be town.
And that's why I still wan't Xtoxm lynched.
Since Xtoxm has claimed scum on Armlx, there's two ways we could resolve this.
If we believe Xtoxm, we lynch Armlx. If Armlx turns up town, then Xtoxm is dead.
If we don't believe Xtoxm, we lynch Xtoxm. If he turns up cop, then Armlx is dead.
It really doesn't matter each way, as if Xtoxm is lying, we'll know from either player dying.
And I would rather have Xtoxm be that dying player, rather than Armlx, who has been a perfect angel compared to Xtoxm.-
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My point was not that.Xtoxm wrote:WHY would I do that? Out myself as a powerful role right at the start of Day One.
I do not consider that good play.
Are you saying, if you were a cop, and you found a guilty, you'd out yourself right away, rather than just trying to get that person lynched first?
I'm just saying that if your play wasn't so inconsisent with you being a daycop, I'd vote for Armlx.-
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Well of course he is - any one that's advocating not lynching you must be! [/sarcasm]Xtoxm wrote:Yes, I am. But being a powerful role, I need to stay hidden, if possible, and hence look town. On that end, i've done a pretty crap job.
Wolf is the voice of reason here.
I think we can be pretty sure he's town.
Explain the points I pointed out, and god sakes, claim your flavor already.-
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Okay, thanks Xtoxm.
Here's the points:
FL's hit my feelings on the dot. I don't like this, and I'm still confident that Xtoxm is scum, butiLord wrote:- Sticking your head out in the beginning.
- Illogical false claim
- Lies about how your claim works
- Refusual to claim role name.Unvote, Vote Armlxseems to be the correct play here.
Somehow we went from lynching Xtoxm to lynching Armlx.
I don't like it at all.-
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Ah, I wish I played on this site more.
I have little idea on how ABR usually plays.
From my point of view, we have three connections:
Xtoxm + Armlx cannot both be town.
Xtoxm + ABR can possibly both be town.
Armlx + ABR have no such link.
This is assuming that ABR would not lie as town.
In fact, ABR, if you are lying as town, please admit that right now and save all of us a lot of confusion.
I have some more stuff I would like to say, but I would like to wait until after CwaT's questions are answered - his thought processes remarkably mirror my own.-
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Guys, Xtoxm may not be scum.
Think about it - ABR has claimed an almost identical role to Xtoxm's, except that it finds a different type of player. These two roles are not mutually exclusive and it seems very likely that both roles could be in the game. I'm thinking that Shinra is a scum group, and that Team Jenova is another scum group, and that ABR and Xtoxm are cops for those groups respectively.
However, if ABR were proven to be lying, then I'd go back to thinking Xtoxm is lying. A daycop is more important than a random townie, however, and after some consideration, I'd rather risk lynching Armlx than Xtoxm.
I'm just banking on the fact that ABR isn't lying. If ABR is telling the truth, Xtoxm is almost confirmed in my eyes.
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