Designer Mafia 2007 - Game Over, Final Scene Posted!

Nocmen · Thu Jul 10, 2008 5:07 am

EBWOP: Now, I look to my other two targets, which are the ones under fire today. SSF and Zoneace. I'm going to do a deeper analysis later today, I can see where a Zoneace wagon is coming from, as well as the SSF.

Nocmen · Thu Jul 10, 2008 6:52 am

Zoneace: I want you to give me one reason as to why I shouldn't take out someone that claims to be a third party, and not town.

Nocmen · Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:58 am

Zoneace, the two problems I have with your role is that:

1. We are not certain what you winning will do to the game.

2. Your target may end up hurting us, in such a later scenario that Twomz stated.

Nocmen · Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:21 am

I did not target anyone Night 3. I was dead.

Nocmen · Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:24 am

I think the logic for Kison is that if it was a one shot investigation, it would have a better chance at being sane than being insane.

Nocmen · Thu Jul 10, 2008 12:42 pm

The thing I have with the Fonz, is that I don't think it is actually possible for scum to have a double vote, in my experience it has imbalanced the game too much. And that is why I am thinking he is town.

Nocmen · Thu Jul 10, 2008 2:18 pm

So, you're whole case of logic is to go and look only at voting? The thing that worries me the most abotu going after Fonz is that I don't think an anti-town role would be able to get double votes. But if people find examples of that happening, by all means show me.

Nocmen · Fri Jul 11, 2008 9:05 am

I agree with the scum probably having a lot of power, as well as the fact that their numbers have probably dwindled down from having lost 3 members. Unless there are more than one scum group, but I'm doubting that from the nights without kills.

Nocmen · Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:41 pm

Okay, so heres the candidates that I see:

Zoneace: His answers have done nothing to sway me from wanting to get rid of a claimed non-town role.

mneme: Just because we can't lynch him doesn't mean we can't take him out from other ways. This claim I think though could be either way, I mean an unlynchable could help us, or it could be our bane. If he is scum though, we don't want to waste a lynch to test this out as mentioned.

Vote: Zoneace

what roles do we currently have right now in the town? I want to know the possibilites that someone may be able to investigate mneme or else I can test this out, though he is not on top of my list of targets.

Nocmen · Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:03 pm

True true. I didn't think of how imbalanced it would be. I could see where it would be a one-shot thing though. But its something we are going to need to do. The problem though, isn't that your target Zoneace?

Nocmen · Sun Jul 13, 2008 6:24 am

I have nothing against the mass claim, and there is no way I am lynching mneme today, letting Zoneace get the win, regardless if the game goes on or not.

Nocmen · Sun Jul 13, 2008 5:23 pm

I've made my claim as well, but if everyone else is going to claim, might as well again.

I'm a cop or a vig. I also can be tracked of who killed me.

Nocmen · Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:27 am

mneme, I dislike strongly how others are claiming but in retrospect you still have not, as you say it is a mostly full claim.

armlx's and stark's powers worry me the most, they both seem very, very strong. And with this many powers for the town, I could see them being scum to balance them out. Also, anyone claim to making either role?

Nocmen · Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:59 am

Right now, I'm willing to accept mneme's and armlx's claim...mneme's not as much. But I think the lynch today should be zoneace or stark. Stark's claim doesn't seem as good for us, I feel it is either lying or a bit too strong for these town roles.

Nocmen · Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:37 am

I agree with Simenon on the details about his role being vague and unsure of what he knows is really going on. Though I would think his claim is somewhat real, I don't see the logic behind claiming yet another doc role.

Though why do you ask Kscope about these "extra days do you need", and vote SSF in the same post, Simenon?

Nocmen · Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:37 am

EBWOP: I agree with the details of Kison's role being vague*

Nocmen · Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:23 pm

nonny replaced PBuG who was scum, remember that.

Nocmen · Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:23 pm

EBWOP: that was in repsponse to TSS's last post.

Nocmen · Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:03 pm

SO YEA IM STOOPING TO THIS LEVEL.

THE PROBLEM I HAVE HERE IS THAT I PLAY THE GAME TO WIN. I AM NOT GOING TO LYNCH MNEME TODAY AND LET YOU WIN, REGARDLESS IF THAT WILL END THE GAME OR NOT. YOU WOULD STILL WIN. IF YOU ARE NOT TOWN, IM GOING TO DO EVERYTHING IN MY WAY TO STOP YOU FROM WINNING.

Nocmen · Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:05 am

I am able to trust Kali's claim. I have no problem with

Unvote, Vote: stark

as well, his claim seems the shadiest, and then we have Kison. Stark's ability just seems very very powerful to exist as one role. If you want the truth, he was going to be my vig target for the night.

Nocmen · Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:36 pm

I would rather go and kill someone who is confirmed nontown over someone who I am less certain about if they are scum or town.

Do I go for someone who has say a , 70% chance of being scum (numbers made up)...while you on the other hand, claim TO BE ON A DIFFERENT FACTION THAN THE TOWN. It's still someone that is NOT TOWN.

Nocmen · Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:41 pm

And I also have a 0% chance of killing a townie as well.

Nocmen · Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:03 am

Unvote, Vote: Zoneace

I've been going through both of these, either candidate seems like a good choice. But it does seem strange stark goes and says this right now, could maybe have done so earlier.

Nocmen · Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:08 am

EBWOP: Also, has anyone claimed to having a role that would increase the number to lynch someone by 1? Becuase a majority of 13 is 7 last I checked.

Nocmen · Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:09 am

I think we can test mneme's claim now without the possibility of the game being handed to zoneace.

Vote: mneme

Nocmen · Thu Jul 31, 2008 2:58 pm

I took out stark as per the plan. He was pretty much who I had wanted to kill even before we lost the night from Zoneace, regardless of a plan or not. Fonz claims to have some immunity, but I'm doubting he was targetted because of the 4 kills that still occured.

FoS: Sir Tornado

for not folloing the plan.

Nocmen · Sat Aug 02, 2008 5:29 am

I'm not liking this night kill immunity stuff by The Fonz, paired with an extra vote and being still a bit suspicious from the plan going wrong.

Vote: The Fonz

Nocmen · Tue Aug 05, 2008 10:18 am

With the way this game is playing out, I would really think scum would be given at least some immunity in someway, such as night kills, and double votes might be possible for them to in order to balance this out. Though I am surprised how much this wagon jumped near the end...I'm a bit suspicious now of Kscope and Kison.

And mneme, why shouldn't we go and kill someone claimed to be not on the side of the town?

Nocmen · Tue Aug 05, 2008 5:18 pm

I know what you mean about Kison, his hammer was unwarranted at this point. And Fonz, I voted for you because I suspected the scum would most likely have your abilities.

Nocmen · Thu Aug 21, 2008 1:58 pm

I hit a cultist and not a netural, that's pretty good shot. I stand by the same logic I used for Zoneace - rather take out someone who claims to not be on the side of town over someone who may or may not be town.

Nocmen · Fri Aug 22, 2008 2:20 pm

I did find Kison's actions suspicious yesterday, and now I'm interested in what Twomz has found.

Nocmen · Sat Aug 23, 2008 2:49 am

Kison, your post 3006. It seems a bit...shaky to me. Sort of like you were focusing more on taking out a possible cult over the mafia. Isn't that how would scum would play right now?

I want to hear your reasons for voting the Fonz as well, it was a hammer without any explanation other than "he was unconfirmed"

Nocmen · Sat Aug 23, 2008 5:37 am

Kison, I understand the attack on The Fonz, like you said, I did place the first vote on him. But I was hoping you would have more of a reason of your own. In my opinion, I think everyone is a bit unconfirmed now, as I think what we know can not be right. Our results are changing, there is a cult in our midst, and im not sure what to trust.

Vote: Kison

Nocmen · Fri Aug 29, 2008 7:29 am

Oh wow didn't realize how long it has been since I last posted. The vote I have on Kison I think wil stay for now, theres just something that I dont like about his actions for the lynch yesterday and how fast he jumped on.

Nocmen · Thu Sep 11, 2008 7:02 pm

Hmm...this is going to be a very very hefty reread. I don't know. I doubt that CKD/Belgarion can actually be scum, as if one was the other wasn't, that would create large implications, or if they both were the same faction, the game would be over now.

I killed SirTornado last night. Something just seemed way too odd about all of his actions, especially with the whole gained vig idea. It makes sense now I think that he was using the excuse of copying my viging in order to try and clear his name and make his idea seem more feasible. Though actually...upon thinking...he must have had the copy ability, as he copied Shanba's fake kill onto me N2.

Nocmen · Thu Sep 11, 2008 7:13 pm

EBWOP: I also notice that SSF has gone and made a lot of impromptu votes it seems when he first replaced in.

SSF352 wrote:
curiouskarmadog wrote:ok, well I am about ready to join the stark wagon....
I am ready.....
Vote: Stark

Also, with the cult issue, I have to wonder how likely it is that if we lynch a cult recuiter, he/she can pass on the recuiting ability to another cult member, much like how a mafia that loses its godfather can still kill. That would be the main factor as to my level of concern with a cult.

SSF352 wrote:
armlx wrote:Thats good enough. More nonny claims.
I heartily approve of this product and/or service.

Unvote, Vote Nonny

Also...by looking at the flavor, it seems that SirTornado went and killed Twomz...does that imply there was no Mafia kill? Do we know if there is really a mafia left, or could it be a cult? If its a cult...I could see how it would pose quite a challenge though, not sure how it would work with CKD/Belg.

I pretty much am defaulted to a

Vote: SSF 352

. I know that I am town, and I don't see any possible way of how Two accounts could work with being anything but the same faction, and if they are anti-town, they would have won just now.

Nocmen · Fri Sep 12, 2008 11:23 am

So wait...you are proposing a possibility of going with No Lynch and then having me trying to take you out? I don't know if it would be right to try and off you in the night...it seems as if you could be anti-town with a trick up your sleeve.

Regardless...we must wait until Belg/CKD returns.

Nocmen · Sun Sep 14, 2008 1:11 am

You forgot to mention one key point...if you are scum. In that case...well, you lynch me today, kill one of them tonight, and win in endgame.

Nocmen · Tue Sep 16, 2008 12:26 pm

Haha...I think I played a horrible game, won due to sheer luck with everything. Though I hated that I had to take out my partner Kison later on, but it was pretty much the only way to keep myself going, by throwing a huge attack on him. The cult though...yea I pretty much just ignored it at the end. Basically, the strategy with the kills was that we were going after the roles that were the docs first, and then just sort of going with who we wanted to.

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