TENET - Game Over

[Gypyx]

Oh yeah, Muffin sure did die after promising to meta Gyphx.

I wonder if he's just polite scum this game.

UNVOTE:

wdym polite scum?

[Gypyx]

Oh yeah, Muffin sure did die after promising to meta Gyphx.

I wonder if he's just polite scum this game.

UNVOTE:

wdym polite scum?

Inoffensive, not helpful.

or maybe just that scum didn't want muffin to have the time to express a change in his opinion?

idk, seems way more logic to me

pedit : well idk but is hectic in the military?

[Gypyx]

TBF, your argument that Muffin was suspicious because he hadn't voted anyone was perhaps the single most unhelpful analysis of 2020.
Muffin rarely votes, like, ever.

Really, why in the world would the scum team even care about you enough to kill Muffin this game.

'cause i'm limbat? lmao

and well, i didn't know that muffin has a pretty static vote usually :/

pedit : i don't even get what's your point now

[Gypyx]

hey still mid-catchup but i'm vt btw

[Gypyx]

hey still mid-catchup but i'm vt btw

You entered this game as a vt

But you can become the mason

You're capable of great things gx, you have to believe in yourself

You too can be a princess!

i'd rather be a bulletproof multitasking vigilante vigilante vigilante vigilante vigilante vigilante vigilante vigilante but okayy fine

i'll finish reading stuff soon also

[Gypyx]

so bowl while you're around, you're saying your annie push was just because of policy?

doesn't feel that way at all tbh

[Gypyx]

scum are very likely to have gotten a receiver role this game, and separating the strongman from the tracker makes sense; they are leaving the thread where they know there's an investigative, clearing annie on setup spec makes no sense to me.

don't get this sentance at all tbh, could you like reformulate that

[Gypyx]

so bowl while you're around, you're saying your annie push was just because of policy?

doesn't feel that way at all tbh

It's policy but I also think there is a great chance we hit scum - they should be penalized for an anti-town action but I also think it's AI that they chose to do that anti-town action

okay, that's fair, why are you SR'ing me also? i don't recall you getting over that point in detail

[Gypyx]

scum are very likely to have gotten a receiver role this game, and separating the strongman from the tracker makes sense; they are leaving the thread where they know there's an investigative, clearing annie on setup spec makes no sense to me.

don't get this sentance at all tbh, could you like reformulate that

well the second sentence made no sense since I misunderstood something, and the first sense is just setup spec since I think this setup is reminding me of Overkill 2 more than anything else so far, where scum had an amnesiac that got results from town PRs

-E

what was overkill 2?

and okay for the misundersteanding lol

pedit : well i was getting around to that, but i think that we would have been told that the thread got cleared of scum if spiffeh was indeed last scum?

[Gypyx]

not like it's that likely but y'know

[Gypyx]

I think superbowl feels a bit too lost to be scum this game, and I don't think scum are pushing me this game.

See pooky who has ignored me for all game, and then called me "bad" with no further evaluation when I said to elim him

what's the link between pooky and bowl exactly? and idk, i don't feel like you aren't pushable at all

[Gypyx]

POE and you don't seem solvey as usual gyp

I would expect you to be putting out scenarios etc. more, you're more of an in-thread thinker

as i said at the start i'm trying to kinda change my playstyle around, and not sure i qualify as an in-thread thinker usually but if you say so

[Gypyx]

what was overkill 2?

and okay for the misundersteanding lol

pedit : well i was getting around to that, but i think that we would have been told that the thread got cleared of scum if spiffeh was indeed last scum?

Over kill 2 was a large theme game with a lots of nightkills and an amnesiac, it's the only game that I've seen amnesiasc which is why it comes to mind.

You can checked the flipped roles here: viewtopic.php?p=10556221#p10556221

and I'm actually not sure when the turnstile resolves, if it resolves at daybreak rather than at night then I'm not sure, it's probably a moot point since there's probably still one scum here at least, I was more saying "who do you think is the scum" in a clever way

-E

hmmm, idk, would've cakez *really* based his roles off of another 2 years old theme? unless i'm misundersteanding that sounds weird to me

ah okay, well yeah i agree, and rn i'd lean towards getting bowl as even if they must have a buddy in here, it's something we can work around later

pedit : interesting claim, think i like it, you wanna be turndtiled or not even worth it?

[Gypyx]

also we have likd, 4 action investigating roles, i'd get scum has a ninja

hmmmm... JOAT (Strongman ; Ninja : *stuff*)???????

[Gypyx]

really like that idea actually

[Gypyx]

also, could i get purple roomed? like no one really seems to want it and i'm generally more comfortable chatting in PTs

VOTE: purple room Gypyx

[Gypyx]

hmmm, idk, would've cakez *really* based his roles off of another 2 years old theme? unless i'm misundersteanding that sounds weird to me

ah okay, well yeah i agree, and rn i'd lean towards getting bowl as even if they must have a buddy in here, it's something we can work around later

pedit : interesting claim, think i like it, you wanna be turndtiled or not even worth it?

Given I don't think he was even in that game, I don't think he's basing anything off it. I more use it as a model for how a setup designer that wants to torture their players might fuck with the players, which is more how I'm seeing the analogy

I think turnstiling today is an extremely risky proposition since scum might be in control of inverted and if we turnstile too early then they can counter-turnstile after we flip, so I think forwards actually is better off holding turnstile until the flip is decided. I also don't particularly wanted to be inverted just qualitatively and mech aside.

-E

ah yes, but idk, unless you have a good understeanding of cakez's designing i wouldn't risk that

pedit : well idk, didn't really think 'bout that one maybe petapan?
i *really* should read inverted lol

[Gypyx]

actually I already have shitty negative utility interaction with pisskop's role so motion detector + rolestopper both being in inverted was probably an extra part of cakez wanting to watch town eat itself alive

what's the interaction?

[Gypyx]

I think it's not logical for you to think the scum team think you're impactful in anyway and I don't know if it makes sense for you to think like that.
Have you read your own content this game.

Oh. so you think you're lhf, that the scum team killed muffin in case he changed his mind. That does not make sense.
That does not make sense at all.

no i don't read my posts, i also wipe my memory after every single one of them in case i maintaint some memories of them

and idk, that's just the only way i'm managing to make sense of that death, should prob just forget about that though

pedit : wdym... no result # negative result

[Gypyx]

bell is obvtown though

[Gypyx]

i think he has yeah? but anyways it's more a matter of tone to me

what was his positioning again?

[Gypyx]

Who's left for Bell to be Doctor?

wdym

[Gypyx]

He kept calling my push on Titus in bad faith when Titus was clearly pushing me off of false claims.

what false claim? you mean, titus saying you're false? (sorry, 01:00 here, should prob get some sleep)

[Gypyx]

wow that's a lotta V/LAs

VOTE: superbowl9

also Petpan, you wanna get in the purple room with me?

[Gypyx]

well, pretty sure he's scum lol

[Gypyx]

I activated the extra turnstile on Day 1.

Oh okay. This kinda strikes me as a scum role? I townread your play but us having another turn in the purple room makes me kinda dubious

also, that's something i forgot to ask yday but like, why? that's one of the town advantages we have in order to deal with scum

[Gypyx]

oh look who's there

[Gypyx]

well, pretty sure he's scum lol

why?

- positioning on annie / inconsistensy

- hyperagressiveness

- bad tone

- he feels highly like in a scumgamebi had with him

pedit : wdym?

[Gypyx]

don't you dare AtEing into unvoting

[Gypyx]

anyways, why are you showing up in V/LA still?

grandstand?

[Gypyx]

yes excatly, like, away from the game, how come you're posting immeditaly

i just never see you doing that as town though lol

like, AtE doesn't work y'know

[Gypyx]

can we just not hammer in this thread for a few days? including self-hammers? thanks

why though?

[Gypyx]

wow that's a lotta V/LAs

VOTE: superbowl9

also Petpan, you wanna get in the purple room with me?

why

fowards was kinda getting stuck, and voting is good

well, you're one of the only peoples i know in fowards lol, plus i decently feel you as town, and i recall you being pretty talkative in PTs

[Gypyx]

if we hammer here before inverted turnstiles then they might do stupid shit

what kind of stupid shit?

[Gypyx]

what elements made you discard your bell suspicions brian?

[Gypyx]

he thought the IC could have plausibly had the macho modifier

he also thought I was your fruit vend in XIV ftr

he tends to have... unexpected... mech takes as town, and that specific post felt very much in line with his XIV thought processes

I haven't played with him as scum but he feels pretty consistent with his townrange here, maybe that would be more accurate

This really isn't enough for me.
He has a lot of bad posts and I know just from the one other game I've played with him that he can play significantly better and smarter than this.

we played another game together? and if i have bad posts, point them out, i don't recall you casing me

[Gypyx]

also those bell brian interactions are never S/S

[Gypyx]

he thought the IC could have plausibly had the macho modifier

he also thought I was your fruit vend in XIV ftr

he tends to have... unexpected... mech takes as town, and that specific post felt very much in line with his XIV thought processes

I haven't played with him as scum but he feels pretty consistent with his townrange here, maybe that would be more accurate

This really isn't enough for me.
He has a lot of bad posts and I know just from the one other game I've played with him that he can play significantly better and smarter than this.

we played another game together? and if i have bad posts, point them out, i don't recall you casing me

Boonie tunes.

ah, thought you meant other game as another one than boon

[Gypyx]

my memory doesn't suck THAT hard

[Gypyx]

could you like give an example of these small points at least? i think that's it's probably you not vibing with my playstyle though

also ouch my ego, didn't know i sucked that hard lol

pedit : well then, wouldn't you want dunn to be roomed so that he could change his mind in a one-on-one conv?

[Gypyx]

Okay,
So you mentioned that the IC could have been Macho right?
But when the IC died that attribute would have been shown. You either chose not to check or felt it would be a good idea not to check or you just couldn't be bothered to check (which is fine, I do the last one all the time and while it annoys other people, it never annoys me when I'm the lazy one!)

Likewise, your speculation that Muffin would have changed his mind on meta and that's why he was killed doesn't make sense, seems self-serving and doesn't truly engage it appears narrow minded.

You only suck that hard if you're scum this game tho.
And even then, you're what Toogooloo would describe as the scum that everyone knew was scum but somehow never got eliminated anyway.
And it's not like *I* can talk about having a horrible scum game I live in a glass dog house in that respect.

Uh, play style could certainly be a thing. But I felt you were fine in Boonie toons comparatively.

well idk, protagonist seemed like a flavored role to me, like, non-normal, so it seemed logical that it could be more than an IC

like, i would've seen it as "welcome, you are the protagonist, you may at any point in the game reveal yourself as the leader of TENET, this will cause you to not be able to be protected from kills"

well, i'm trying to be as broad minded as i can but to me that's how this kill makes sense so idk... at least it got some discussion going

boonie was one of my better games so idk i'm pretty inconsistent, how do you feel about this one? : viewtopic.php?f=2&t=84770

still would like to get an example of what's bad with me

[Gypyx]

ok, ok.

I'm at the point where I want to eliminate someone from the inverse thread, in this thread.

That is, turnstile someone over here so we can eliminate them in this thread, and also eliminate someone from that thread in that thread

i've not been following inverted too much but maybe we could turnstile back someone we turstiled out of fowards? reason we didn't exe them was cuz we tried to clear fowards anyways

pedit : lolwhat i didn't even setup spec that game

[Gypyx]

Should the masons claim so the investigative doesn't waste time on them?

Bruh, i'm saying we either got masons or investigatives, not both tht would be busted

Anyways don't take my setup spec too seriously

ah yeah that

[Gypyx]

Gyphx, without breaking the rules. Do you have a notes PT this game?

pretty sure that's breaking the rules already right?

[Gypyx]

skitter30
Annie Edison (notscience/The Bulge)
Dunnstral unwnd
superbowl9
Hench Princesses (Happy Unbirthday Boon/anon)
Bell
Brian Skies
Gypyx

more precisely this is where i'm at:
annie - ugh i'm willing to admit i am maybe wrong here but i'm still rethinking
dunn - town
sb9 - still probably town
hp - now that i know the main they're town and it's literally the strongest read i have here
bell - i'm leaning towards scum
brian - honestly idk probably scum
gypyx - still probably out of scumrange but kinda underwhelmed

you have both brian and bell as scum with the heavy shitfight they got themselves into? please enlighten me on that one

[Gypyx]

what elements made you discard your bell suspicions brian?

I still think he's scummy. But some of my townreads are insisting he's town.

I also feel like I'm being a little unfair to SB9, and even if SB9 is scum, I don't think Spiffeh was scum, so there is almost certainly still scum outside of him.

And every time I take a step back and reconsider my reads, I keep circling back to you.

cool, happy to hear you're willing to take a step back on bell

well yeah there's scum outside of bowl for sure, but we have bowl as scum, why give him a pass on that one because we know there's more out of him (or there might not even be)

and like idk, you're really seeing bowl's progession on annie as possibly coming from town?

[Gypyx]

you have both brian and bell as scum with the heavy shitfight they got themselves into? please enlighten me on that one

i mean not inherently scum together? i don't think i implied or indicated that i thought they were together

well, what do you think is the wrong read then?

[Gypyx]

just, what's the skitter case apart setup spec? i don't see any other reason brought up and def won't vote there if there isn't more

[Gypyx]

cool, happy to hear you're willing to take a step back on bell

well yeah there's scum outside of bowl for sure, but we have bowl as scum, why give him a pass on that one because we know there's more out of him (or there might not even be)

and like idk, you're really seeing bowl's progession on annie as possibly coming from town?

gypyx can you also give me a quick tldr of your reads?

bell - locktown
hp - town
brian - town
dunn - leantown
annie - leantown
sb9 - scum

i *could* vote dunn / annie, but i really wanna flip bowl

also yeah sorry but i'm sleepwalking rn so i'll try to think more tommorow

[Gypyx]

yeah so, skitter does a bad towncase on me, then tries to flashwagon, this just isn't coming from town imo VOTE: skitter

[Gypyx]

bell - locktown
hp - town
brian - town
dunn - leantown
annie - leantown
sb9 - scum

i *could* vote dunn / annie, but i really wanna flip bowl

also yeah sorry but i'm sleepwalking rn so i'll try to think more tommorow

I'm curious about these reads. Like, does Gyx just think Spiffeh + SB9 scumswapped or something?

i think that's a world that exists, yeah, but mostly i'm saying "hey i know that there's baddies outside of him, but he scum so why spare him"

although y'all don't seem to see him being scum

[Gypyx]

hmmm idk... i'd say that as town skitter would try harder in twilight?