BooneyToonz XIV: A Little Boonie Told Me [END]

[samantha97]

for the record gypyx, i think your claim is true

I dunno if it's true but it fits with the theme

VOTE: Happy Unbirthday Boon

[samantha97]

am I mistaken or are the "two" people with the most votes right now the ones who claimed power roles

[samantha97]

aw I feel bad if that prompted him to do that cause it was rhetorical

unless we're doing a roundabout massclaim, what is the purpose of voting them instead of literally anyone else

VOTE: BrightEyedFish

[samantha97]

I just realized I mixed up pelican with tsunami lol

VOTE: Tsunami Slayer

[samantha97]

Oh, I was asked about my thoughts on claims. One sec I'll take a look at them.

*crickets*

I don't think gypyx, pelican, or endless are mafia. Even if they were, it wouldn't make sense to vote them on day 1 because of their claims (all votes on endless are suspicious).

I don't even think tsunami is mafia in particular, but they're a lot more likely than the above three. Though I did read another game noraa was mafia in and their tone is slightly different here.

could we switch the bandwagon to BrightEyedFish pls? acting like reading a (less than, at the time) 10 page thread was too difficult is too difficult for me to believe

[samantha97]

VOTE: BrightEyedFish

[samantha97]

When did I say it was difficult?

I'm still tying to figure out whats going on.

Does anyone have a list of the "claims" made so far? If not, I'll try not to forget to make one later.

[samantha97]

page 7

7 in the morning

a likely story

[samantha97]

really? why are votes on us in particular suspicious? the other claims are fine to vote?
-tay

nope, only you and tsunami had a substantial vote count

[samantha97]

Sam

, I'm not feeling the

BEF

votes. If you think

BEF's

reply is likely, then what point does your vote have there? 259

~Taly

that was a joke lol

[samantha97]

the pushback on brighteyedfish is interesting

[samantha97]

@Ircher

does that work on this forum

@NicoRobin what's your opinion of the game so far?

[samantha97]

@samantha: whatdya think, thoughts on counterwagon/votes on you? and why ascetic claims all town

re:votes: 1 mafia 1 inquisitive/fisher 1 sheep 1 random

I think the claims are town just because a) what they claimed fits with the theme, and b) they did it pretty quickly without any pressure to do so. Like I said, it doesn't really matter if they are town or not right now. Whether you genuinely wanted to lynch them, or wanted to pressure them with votes to roleclaim, the end result is still you voting nonsensically against our day 1 interests.

[samantha97]

I don't doubt that they're true either, but why can't 1 be a true mafia ascetic claim?

they could all be mafia claims, I just don't think any are

[samantha97]

I have no scumreads or townreads right now.

"I didn't read the thread"

I think pelican's posts have been consistently illogical, regardless of which head is doing the posting. I was being really charitable before because of their role claim (like thinking taly really didn't understand a joke), but there's a tipping point. That said, it still doesn't make sense for us to vote for them today.

VOTE: NicoRobin

[samantha97]

Currently, I am voting Sam to show ET that I am willing to work with them so they can stop wasting time on me.

wat

is there some way to interpret this that doesn't involve you still not reading the thread

[samantha97]

nicorobin nicorobin nicorobin

[samantha97]

Hi, Samantha. Nicorobin to you too.

first, thanks for the laugh

second, the reason why I didn't talk about being voted, and have no intention to beyond this, is because that's purely a distraction from my point of view (though I did answer questions because people kept asking stuff)

third, I read this game with noraa in it viewtopic.php?f=11&t=84118 where she was mafia and her tone is a lot different here

but you people know each other a lot better than I do, so if you think she's mafia then I'm fine with that; it'd be super cool if nico and thegoldenparadox would post more before the day is over though

[samantha97]

my samantha vote is doing fuck all right now but it's definitely my strongest read like. what is the point of shading pelican and saying that voting them doesn't make sense and going onto a wagon that is objectively worse (pelican had votes, nico had none and nico's presence is negative) for like... what? what is the goal here?

uh the goal was to encourage the people voting for pelican to not vote for them; you answered your own question there

and the only player we literally can't read at all is nico, because they've said effectively nothing and posted only twice

even if you don't want to lynch nico, it's concerning that you are against pressuring a player that is deliberately not participating

[samantha97]

3)

I'm seeing a trend into your posts about voting and going after players that aren't contributing much. Why not have input or pressure players that are far more readable?

~Taly

yes it's totally logical to seek information from people who have already given it & that you can already read instead

nothing weird about that position at all

[samantha97]

if gamma is mafia then what do you think the odds are of nico not-so-randomly voting them at the start as also-mafia?

[samantha97]

Spoiler:

I had a dream that BrassHerald came in as a backup mod and modconfirmed two people fighting. I think I have ptsd

that slot's focus on nico seems to be scum finding something to push

I wanted your opinion since you seem to think gamma is mafia, which would have implications outside of gamma, and you didn't give it. Like I said, I don't care about actually lynching nico (just as I didn't care about BEF) and just wanted them to post. If I wanted to push something I'd be pushing a person who could actually get vote majority.

[samantha97]

Im on page 19 will pick up tomorrow.

another "10 pages are too hard to read" post
VOTE: vaxkiller

[samantha97]

Spoiler:

is this a thing that happened?

not with brassherald, no, that was just a random apparition

[samantha97]

[samantha97]

we're at 7 votes not 8 but I think you knew that when you used present tense instead of past when referring to titus

THis is why im not sure about you

[samantha97]

I waited until he posted, but it was hard not to post cause it was so obvious lol

[samantha97]

ok but why did you pretend to think you were lynched when titus voted you? I can only imagine a new player not knowing what the accurate vote count is when they're the one with the most votes

[samantha97]

UNVOTE:

I'm gonna be gone for like 6 hours

[samantha97]

I really thought he would have claimed by now

Spoiler: sad

our puppy is in critical care and they think he has a contagious bacterial blood infection that I likely have

[samantha97]

no that's 7 votes but it'll 8 if he isn't claimed or dead when I wake up

[samantha97]

does anyone know if he knows how to play the game, cause it makes no sense to do this as town or mafia lol

I also don't see how he couldn't have been faking the titus lynch reaction, but then how do you claim vanilla after hyping your role up if you do have a grasp on how to play

wouldn't claiming doctor or something be a better way to both get night killed as town and avoid being lynched as mafia?

[samantha97]

VOTE: vaxkiller
kablam

[samantha97]

wait I don't get it, how is their role at all negative utility

probably "and you will allow all other actions performed on your target to succeed, even if it would normally fail from modifiers such as "Disloyal"."

also, since they are still here, does that mean nico is active now?

[samantha97]

I've been waiting since page 7 for aristophanes to do what he said he was gonna do, so I'm cool with that VOTE: aristophanes

now can someone pls tell me what IC means so I can re-read this and understand what you guys are saying

[samantha97]

Hey Gamma, can you explain why HUB is town? This player seems very upset that I replaced a potential mislynch. In my experience, that's a massive scum-tell.

anyone who pushes back on you saying 2 posts with basically nothing in them was town meta looks good to me

I didn't deep dive or anything but I checked a couple of days ago and I don't think they've been active in general since 2018? also I don't understand the breaking the rules stuff so I hope I didn't by saying that

Spoiler: hbb

my birthday is on the 26th

[samantha97]

What're your reads?

right now:
probably mafia: shoshin, aristophanes
lean mafia: ydrasse, bef
lean town: hub
town: hbb, endless
n/a everyone else

[samantha97]

I could be wrong about Sam. I expect my reads overall to suck after taking long break from the game.

I totally forgot about that, I'm glad you pointed it out

am i leanmaf for pushing you or leanmaf for not wanting to vote the nicoslot...?

both + a tiny bit more

sad to hear about taylor, I liked their personality & they were in like every game; must be a high demand for replacements right now

also, even if you think hub is mafia, I just don't see the reason to lynch him over someone that hasn't just been inactive, but has deliberately not participated when active; we at least have posts to judge hub on in future days

[samantha97]

Now, re-reading the Vax votes, HUB and Sam left but came back (was the hammer vote) are the most pinging votes.

Would scum!TGP who has less posts than the mod bus? Yes, but only if instructed to in the mafia pt. Which implicates Sam and to a certain extent Bell.

so uh... I orchestrated vote(s) after they reached 3 votes, but also it's mafia-indicative that I unvoted/hammered

those two things aren't logically consistent

and also tbh they're insulting, cause it requires, if you're being honest, for you think I'm unintelligent enough to try to lynch mafia day 1 (especially @ 3 votes lol)

Looking back, I agree with HBB that this raises concerns. Scum tend to over justify reads they know are wrong, and while the reasoning is weak, it's also over justification relative to the other reads.

I support this but also

So many pages...
I'll be back tomorrow

what I'd rather do depends on what he says (or doesn't say) today

[samantha97]

Also, I'm pretty sure you just scum-slipped.

can your reaches pls stop being predicated on my lack of intelligence thx

[samantha97]

You forgot Samantha lul

no I was on him before nico got replaced

also all he has said so far is he likes hub's posts, so I'd vote for him again if I could

[samantha97]

um hbb just unvoted so it shouldn't be a hammer

[samantha97]

it'd be normal for you to be aware of your exact vote count, except for the fact that you are unaware of almost everything else

[samantha97]

just for clarity, did you read to page 24 and then change to reading iso's, or did you catch up and then double back?

[samantha97]

aw, I was gonna make a joke vote on you again after the wall of text & effort, then unvote

but the last part made me sad, cause it takes less time to read the whole thread than it does to write half of that

[samantha97]

what's the phrase, you think there's a scenario where gamma is getting warlocked by ari?

what does warlocked mean?

for me it's kind of weird people are content with aristophales not reading the thread and just moving on

[samantha97]

has a reaction test ever actually been something productive in a game on this site?

[samantha97]

BEF!scum also loses out on cred and draws attention to themselves doing it. i cant really see this from a scum!pov

aren't you saying they gained credibility in your eyes instead of lost it then?

[samantha97]

I'm gonna tldr this cause I am about to go to sleep:

point of going after inactives day 1 is so you have material for day 2

point of going after inactives day 2, in this game, is because the odds of you successfully lynching mafia in a large game day 1, with an active and effective mafia team, is 0%

so we should be minimally applying pressure to people who were either afk or effectively afk day 1

also the rapid fire questions when shoshin replaced in seem performative, given their inactivity once the heat was off

[samantha97]

ok hi good morning

I was gonna wait until 24 hours were left or someone was e-1 to post this, but now that the game has livened up and it's close to 24 hours anyway, I'm gonna roleclaim

*drumroll*

enchantress

yes, that is the 3rd commuter claim

what's even more interesting than there supposedly being 3 commuters in this game is that I targeted pelican last night and they died anyway

I've been conflicted since the gypyx/shelly interaction today as to which is most likely mafia (I mean I guess it's possible there are 3 town commuters but?)

for gypyx: he claimed first and was the first to claim commuter

for shelly: I found taylor's posts outside of the roleclaims to be extremely town

@gypyx and shelly, who did you both target last night?

[samantha97]

What's an enchantress?

Every night, you may target a player. You will force that player to commute, meaning any actions performed by or targeting your target will fail. If your target is not aligned with town, you will also commute during the night. You will not be informed of this. If you were to be roleblocked, your action will not go through.

that's from the main page btw not me quoting what I got (which has universe flavor)

[samantha97]

Why would you use your role on Pelican instead of checking alignment of an inactive player. This seems completely inconsistent with your behavior so far.

a) important to protect them if they are town
b) if they aren't town, it's important to know that; I was gonna ask if anyone targeted me day 2

You're a parallel universe, Sam?

? no

[samantha97]

I already answered both of your concerns, so your concern seems like a lie

[samantha97]

the role is what I said it is, the text just includes a line about them being in another universe when commuting

[samantha97]

we are a plain old town comm not an enchantress/whatever

who did you target though?

[samantha97]

man I feel stupid

I thought normal commuter worked the same way without the conditional stuff

[samantha97]

On this, how did them being a claimed pr factor i to your reasoning?

not at all because it was win/win regardless

though I didn't believe they were, because they just openly claimed not only a power role but "very positive utility" (took me like 10 minutes to find that, thought I was going nuts)

I think people like them can be a power role in practice even if they don't have one though

[samantha97]

this game was a replacement on D2 & I'm not entirely sure what's happening in this game yet.

you said that 7~ pages ago and I meant to ask but forgot: did that mean you hadn't read all the pages, or something else? if so, have you now?

[samantha97]

you actually asked me twice and I ignored the second because it was redundant, but it's easy to forget I guess when you don't actually ask questions with the purpose of knowing something

you've been hxc performative and nico fit the bill for d1

VOTE: shoshin

[samantha97]

VOTE: Gyp

??? there is no reason to be voting a commuter as the game stands

VOTE: brighteyedfish

btw I will be asleep well before deadline but will try to check back before then

[samantha97]

Why not Gamma?

your argument is uncompelling, built up by a chain of assumptions about his mindset and sparked by a logically fallacious point about meta

if sincere, I think you're suffering from a pretty bad case of dead reckoning, but I'm actually fine with anyone today who isn't a commuter or hbb

VOTE: gamma

[samantha97]

yeah why didn't we wait

[samantha97]

it's a joke

if you guys wanted him to roleclaim why not just ask him to instead of voting to e-1? I don't have much time left here and would rather go to bed knowing some shenanigans didn't happen

[samantha97]

So you admit you just wanted to speedhammer basically? Like you're saying "y'all should've kept the speedhammer away from me cuz i was gonna yoink it anyways"

I'm saying it's not thoughtful or sincere to vote for him if you wanted to ride it to the last second, there's no difference between e-2 and e-1 if the day times out

your post popped up when I was posting mine and I was like k then lol

[samantha97]

it's too early in the morning for me to decipher what the heck it was that I just read

I targeted tgp though

[samantha97]

Loyal Fruit Vendor

cursory question: what was the thought process behind targeting bell?

[samantha97]

I'd also like full readslist from Sam since she should in theory be tonight's kill unless I'm actually right and Bell is the strongman

before that, here is my immediate concern, being enough of a nerd that this is what I woke up thinking about in bed:

Bell - vanilla
TheGoldenParadox - vanilla
Happy Unbirthday Boon - vanilla
Shellyc - commuter
Gypyx - commuter
Ydrasse - commuter enabler
BrightEyedFish - fruit vendor
Aristophanes - ???
Happy Birthday Boonskiies - ???

now if you divide that into these 2 categories...

|can't target|
Bell - vanilla
TheGoldenParadox - vanilla
Happy Unbirthday Boon - vanilla
Shellyc - commuter
Gypyx - commuter
Ydrasse - commuter enabler

|can target|
BrightEyedFish - fruit vendor
+
ThePelicanBrief - voyeur (dead)
Ircher - hider (dead)


you can see something is tentatively wrong with the roleclaims, depending on aristophanes and hbb

why? because my role needs not only roles that can target to work, but roles that give feedback when targeting, and it doesn't make sense for that to be just brighteyedfish, who said he was non-consecutive on top of it, and pelican

[samantha97]

I missed that somehow

that means 5 vanilla in a game where commuters also turn into vanilla...

[samantha97]

I think it's already his unbirthday

[samantha97]

uhh I hope you aren't referring to last night, cause I targeted you thinking BEF was safe until the next night

pedit: ok nm then lol

[samantha97]

From my point of view, the biggest takeaway from yesterday was that mafia still felt comfortable claiming vanilla even after vaxkiller's vanilla claim failed to work. Or maybe it's more like they felt uncomfortable claiming anything else.

[samantha97]

Why did you think bef was safe?

he said he was non-consecutive

a scum role swap

what does that mean?

[samantha97]

yesterday ended while I was asleep and I never got a chance to say what I think of everyone, so might as well now:

for HBB, you'd have to think he knew bell was going to be lynched and capitalized off of bell's role, on top of lying about his own role, which is just hard to believe since I don't think anyone was even looking his way (why rock the boat)

Spoiler:

also, with his cool sophistication, overflowing charisma, sharp wit, and keen sense of humor, I couldn't vote for him even if he roleclaimed mafia while voting for me

not even if he missed my birthday

for shelly and gypyx, there's an argument to be made for good vs evil of the same role like the fruit vendors, but

a) there's ostensibly 3 of them (shoshin) and
b) vaxkiller & bell's gameplay deviates a lot from either of theirs in terms of roleclaiming

ydrasse has seemed scatterbrained this entire game, like why were you voting for a commuter pre-claim d3 as a commuter enabler? but 'b)' from above applies to her too

which leaves the 3 people who claimed vanilla, just like vaxkiller and bell: Aristophanes TheGoldenParadox & HUB

for HUB, I feel like you're town when I read 99% of your posts, but then I'm bothered about something that seems like a contradiction: voting for gamma while being upset the day ended early with 5 hours left, then the next day voting bell and being fine with the day ending with like... a week left? I don't remember how long was left. For a while, I considered rolling the dice and targeting you last night and hoping hbb targeted me + didn't die, but the fact that he didn't n2 made me think he couldn't + more importantly...:

I think whatever mafia is left couldn't supply them with fakeclaims. I don't think HUB fits that description, plus he was active day 1, and I still think mafia were either afk or effectively afk day 1. I am not familiar with how capable aristophanes/tgp would be at fakeclaiming, so I can't say for sure which I'd rather lynch today, but one of them for sure. tentative VOTE: thegoldenparadox

[samantha97]

I'll VOTE: aristophanes for now then

[samantha97]

it was the 26th so most people were gone lol

[samantha97]

benchwarmingpost

[samantha97]

I think he meant phone

[samantha97]

the wiki page for traitor says they can be a bunch of different things, but 'normal' is xyz - is this game 'normal'? or is the opposite of 'normal' 'theme'

[samantha97]

so um are we waiting for someone to replace in, read 106 pages, and then lynch them?

tgp's post was good enough for me to be set on aristophanes; does anyone have a strong preference not to?

[samantha97]

I dunno what their logic is, but I softclaimed in my first post in the thread when everyone else was claiming, for the record

[samantha97]

I actually don't know for sure what soft means but I assume I used it right, yeah

commuting = universes

[samantha97]

yes and I feel that way now

I don't know how far you read but I actually felt one of gypyx or shelly was mafia at that point, though, and didn't want to say so yet

[samantha97]

??? there is no reason to be voting a commuter as the game stands

sam why did you feel that as an enchantress that meant both commuters were town?

I didn't ever think that. Even when they first claimed, I thought they worked like I did, making one definitely mafia instead of just possibly. The part you quoted was specifically about the day & what we knew so far. Like I said earlier today, the dual fruit vendors were a good reason why they wouldn't be, just that other factors trump that.

sam you got shit for the hammer but at the time you disliked gx putting gamma to f-1, do you feel like you returned to that effectively?

I don't understand what this means but I agree with what I said there still if that's what you are asking

I appreciate klick's effort but for me this is a process of elimination thing. For me to vote for anyone else, there'd have to be a convincing argument that aristophanes could have supplied fakeclaims and that someone else couldn't.

[samantha97]

Yeah, I'd like you to explain targeting me over BEF more, samantha. Why me? And why'd you think scum wouldn't kill BEF who was a UTR due to claim and could've been lying about parts of his role?

I tried googling utr and only got under the radar... which I don't think is right. I'll lay out what I considered that night:

BEF: claimed non-consecutive, pseudo-confirmed town by pushing bell
you: pseudo-confirmed town by very likely getting fruit from bell, pseudo-confirmed power role by bell, are a restricted messenger (didn't even think of friendly neighbor) because by process of elimination you had to have messaged shoshin night 1 and would have targeted me night 2 if you could do it whenever (that post you quoted only had a pedit cause I spent longer rewriting it; it first was me accusing you of lying because of shoshin then I realized how dumb it would be to step on that strategy)
mafia: low-skill, can't fakeclaim, likely believed BEF and never gave it a second thought, doesn't know that you have a basically useless power role

speaking of which I don't think anyone has addressed what I have been saying, so what is everyone's thoughts on the lack of mafia fakeclaims? do you disagree with my conclusion? why?

[samantha97]

hub did you have a traumatic experience with a traitor in a game or something lol

[samantha97]

Sam can you explain why enchanting TGP and HBB were things that happened this game?

look 2 posts ago and it'll answer one of those, and while you're there answer the question in that post too pls

I dunno if I ever explained tgp but it was because I assumed I was gonna be able to mostly confirm him as town or mafia & he had the least for us to work with outside of that

[samantha97]

thx I felt ignored

and no, because you have to add bell's claim to the equation & the fact that vaxkiller was even lynched day 1 as mafia

[samantha97]

all of the above

[samantha97]

you do get that targeting TGP with something that would commute him and thus make it impossible for him to be copped or investigated sounds very much like something a scum traitor would do, particularly if they lied and were trying to communicate to scum that they were giving them a pass for that day. "Like oh yeah, TGP can't be scum because I roleblocked him" etc. etc.

uhh I feel like you've glossed over some posts, or maybe forgot them

on day 2 I roleclaimed which I assumed would result in someone targeting me at night and communicating that during the day if I lived (the cop/investigator is me night 2...)

also, I don't know if this is cabin fever since we're like a month deep in this, but since you mentioned traitor again: I re-read the wiki for it earlier and have been paranoid about the fact that the best reason for mentioning traitor at all is to signal one exists

I also find it odd still that you do not have "other universe" in your flavor for when you make people commute

I told shoshin that it did. I also recently pointed out that I softclaimed by saying I had universe flavor post 1

not being on BEF OR HBB when both were nearly mech town on n2 + randomly targeting TGP + roleblocking HBB when he was confirmed but unclaimed TPR

...? are you mixing the nights up? and like you just read in the post you quoted about hbb, and like I said to you way earlier in the day, him not targeting me night 2 signaled to me he was limited in some way

you like pointedly avoided actually voting on the Vax wagon

starting to wonder if you're reading someone else's posts lol

off meta your WIM seems to slightly more closely match your scum WIM

you know I don't know what that acronym means, and not that it means much coming from me but I never would have helped vaxkiller get to e-1 in the first place if I was mafia (also I have 1 game played so idk how I have a meta lol)

blocked TGP night 1

wat

Hence you're either town that has made ??? night action choices or a traitor-enchantress.

I mean cool I guess but what was that post lol

[samantha97]

your post basically is closer to your scum games

idk if this is gaslighting or confusion but from what I can remember I've been mafia 0 times on this site, even before my long hiatus (possibly even offsite?), and have only been not-town once

also if you think the logic behind bef was flawed then fine I guess but it was logical from my point of view

[samantha97]

I (not 14/15 year old me) joined 3 games total including this one. One I was vanilla town and was demoralized immediately by the post flood and then was demoralized in other ways and replaced out. The other I was an alien yeah

[samantha97]

yeah I must have looked at the alien game, anyway one game does not really make a meta but the level of polarity there did jump out at me (the game where you were town being like 30 pages but having 80 posts and the scum game having 60+ pages but 40 posts or something)

just for the record this was the game viewtopic.php?f=3&t=84589

I had 20 posts including post-game and replaced out d1

[samantha97]

I am town

since you're kind of a 3rd party, can you make an objective case for you being town over gypyx? personally I always felt shellyc had more town posts but more mafia-like roleclaims and the inverse for gypyx

[samantha97]

if you're talking about night 1, you were claimed ascetics instead of commuters

not that there's a huge difference

[samantha97]

no I mean 3rd party as an 'other' since you only just joined this game

[samantha97]

actually idk how that can be misinterpreted since I said make a case for town right after

[samantha97]

oh wow that's hilarious

at first I thought they were mathblade cause it had to be someone in mbos, but I knew it wasn't him cause shellyd went outside his writing style

[samantha97]

aw that's sad

but also they totally were faking that interaction with me last page, looking at it now

[samantha97]

yeah VOTE: shellyc's ghost

[samantha97]

maybe who you thought it was is shellyc too

[samantha97]

hectic you multiaccounter

lol

[samantha97]

one thing I don't think you considered is that mafia might not have to kill commuters? this is a 15?(I could have sworn this was 16) person game with ostensibly 4 commuters, so failing to nk a commuter could be more of a penalty than something insurmountable, even if all are town

and a counterbalance to that would be BEF unwittingly framing town commuters

[samantha97]

do you townread ydrasse off play? do you think ydra/shelly is a hard sell for scumteam?

I got lazy and stopped reading shelly's posts not long after I started, so I can't say for sure about the combo atm but no @ydrasse - I've shelved her for a long time now because of her d1 activity & riskier role claim than vaxkiller or bell

at the same time, shelly being mafia completely conflicts with how I have judged the game so far, if you were right that she could have supplied fakeclaims, so I'm gonna reread with an open mind tomorrow

Actually it'd make more sense for the next replacement to be ShellyD

hey I coined that first

[samantha97]

VOTE: tgp

[samantha97]

vengeance is mine

that's what you get for breaking my hammer streak

[samantha97]

firstly, I targeted dkkoba

secondly, I'm gonna go full mask off now since people are probably gonna use yesterday as justification for coming after me at some point

this

UNVOTE:

I'm gonna be gone for like 6 hours

was just pretense, I actually just wanted to hammer him

Spoiler:

I'm not a sociopath btw lol, that puppy stuff was real and it happened to happen during that time period. Thankfully it ended up being misdiagnosed, but unfortunately there was pretty severe malpractice as well and, though he's healthy now, I don't know if there will be longterm effects

I waited for people to call for it here

does anyone know if he knows how to play the game, cause it makes no sense to do this as town or mafia lol

I also don't see how he couldn't have been faking the titus lynch reaction, but then how do you claim vanilla after hyping your role up if you do have a grasp on how to play

wouldn't claiming doctor or something be a better way to both get night killed as town and avoid being lynched as mafia?

because, as a power role, I still wanted to maximize social credit

then we come to day 2

quote in quote is too convoluted for me to manually quote, click the link to see VOTE: gamma

I actually had that post written for like an hour+? I don't even remember. I didn't lie though, I hit preview after editing something and saw his post pop up and was like "cool"

then, the dark day dawned

the day that it would be taken from me

day 3

I'm sitting there waiting for bell to hit e-1 the whole time, and he not only reaches it right after go to sleep, but is hammered by thegoldenparadox

VOTE: bell this is like. painful levels of associatives in this post

he had to pay

day 4 he makes the mistake of posting first, making shelly and ydrasse vote for him

I proceed to lay out my argument for voting for him (which is legit btw even if it ended up being wrong), but in my haste I make the mistake of actually voting for him

yesterday ended while I was asleep and I never got a chance to say what I think of everyone, so might as well now:

for HBB, you'd have to think he knew bell was going to be lynched and capitalized off of bell's role, on top of lying about his own role, which is just hard to believe since I don't think anyone was even looking his way (why rock the boat)
Spoiler:

for shelly and gypyx, there's an argument to be made for good vs evil of the same role like the fruit vendors, but

a) there's ostensibly 3 of them (shoshin) and
b) vaxkiller & bell's gameplay deviates a lot from either of theirs in terms of roleclaiming

ydrasse has seemed scatterbrained this entire game, like why were you voting for a commuter pre-claim d3 as a commuter enabler? but 'b)' from above applies to her too

which leaves the 3 people who claimed vanilla, just like vaxkiller and bell: Aristophanes TheGoldenParadox & HUB

for HUB, I feel like you're town when I read 99% of your posts, but then I'm bothered about something that seems like a contradiction: voting for gamma while being upset the day ended early with 5 hours left, then the next day voting bell and being fine with the day ending with like... a week left? I don't remember how long was left. For a while, I considered rolling the dice and targeting you last night and hoping hbb targeted me + didn't die, but the fact that he didn't n2 made me think he couldn't + more importantly...:

I think whatever mafia is left couldn't supply them with fakeclaims. I don't think HUB fits that description, plus he was active day 1, and I still think mafia were either afk or effectively afk day 1. I am not familiar with how capable aristophanes/tgp would be at fakeclaiming, so I can't say for sure which I'd rather lynch today, but one of them for sure. tentative VOTE: thegoldenparadox

immediately after posting that I'm like ffffffff why didn't I vote aristophanes

then, the sky parted, angels sang, and HUB gave me a reason for doing it

Since Ari is off wagon any more votes on TGP should probably be announced and taken as a day-ending since Ari has high motivation to hammer TGP as either alignment

I'll VOTE: aristophanes for now then

the day dragged on and TGP just wasn't happening; I looked at the vote count and could only see 1 person voting for him: gypyx

so I had what I thought was a stroke of brilliance - I'd ask shellyd to make an argument for gypyx being mafia, so he'd feel pressure to vote for the guy with the most votes (tgp)

that ended up fizzling out because of shelly's bad acting, so at that point I'd given up hope and figured shelly probably was mafia anyway

then a beautiful person replaced in: dkkoba

I woke up, eyes half closed, looking at my screen and was like omg they did it

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (above written last night)

if there is 1 mafia member left, if mafia shelly(dkkoba) lied about their role, that basically clears them of being mafia since it should have blocked the nightkill

that'd leave HUB, klick, or ydrasse

I'm down to lynch any of the 3

VOTE: ydrasse

[samantha97]

uh what did u do exactly samantha?

?

[samantha97]

im sorry but a town clear doesnt live 3 night phases ~~~

they do if mafia wants to use that exact argument

plus if I'm town clear why are you voting for me? that's a contradiction

[samantha97]

that was your assertion not mine

[samantha97]

u quickhammered d4 so that i couldnt talk the vote off of town and onto you.

literally bye.

I didn't even read your posts before I posted, but looking back on them you said you thought I was town so...??

[samantha97]

are you calling me clairvoyant

[samantha97]

so u had no reason to look in thread

idk what you're even saying anymore but it's a waste of time since I don't even think you're mafia

that entire wall post is literally just samantha going “people gave me reasons to do this” instead of like. you know. doing shit on her own initiative this game

I said the opposite, that it was planned from the very beginning, but I knew it'd be a convenient excuse to lynch me tomorrow because it didn't appear that way without me explaining it

[samantha97]

why would u target me over ydrasse who u scumread btw

I was pretty sure you were mafia yesterday and today is today, not yesterday; ydrasse is process of elimination

[samantha97]

why was i mafia yesterday lmfao

lets see the thought process.

cmon samantha.

why did u go outside of wagon, did u think it was all town?

your posts don't make sense to me, like you aren't reading what I wrote today or yesterday

if they make sense to me in the future I'll reply again

[samantha97]

i do not think you play 4d chess like this this game LMAO i’ll keep repeating that

thx 4 the compliment I guess

[samantha97]

what made u quickhammer TGP while discussion was going on samantha?

idk how many times I gotta say that I didn't even read your posts, I just ctrl f'd "vote: " to make sure he wasn't unvoted

[samantha97]

everyone is shellyc

(spooky: I actually checked ydrasse's posts last night and they have a tendency to say something that shelly does)

[samantha97]

it'd be funny if it was actually evil maya vs good dahlia in the end

[samantha97]

anyway I'm going to bed, re-read what I wrote yesterday and today dkkoba

[samantha97]

basically it's like, shelly commuter-magical fairy + ydra traitor commuter enabler
ydra magical fairy commuter enabler + sam enchantress traitor
shelly commuter magical-fairy + sam enchantress traitor

all of those aren't possible, since there can only be 2 variants, right? also, like I said a bunch of times now, I didn't even know what a traitor was until you brought it up, so give up the traitor thing lol

and me making a lucky mistake early on proves I am town, as shoshin pointed out:

I just realized I mixed up pelican with tsunami lol

VOTE: Tsunami Slayer

it doesn't only prove I didn't know tsunami was mafia, but it also proves that I'm not because I wouldn't just push mafia into the line of fire day 1, or any day; I know I don't have a meta but to me this is more of a numbers game than a social one - everyone who "busses" is terrible at this game

I still go back to my opinion of day 1, that mafia were either afk or effectively afk. Bell was definitely effectively afk. They had basically 0 thread impact the entire game. Ydrasse was active day 1 but were they effectively afk? They tried to wagon me and failed, and it's possible they believe in bussing, which would make them effectively afk in regard to tsunami/vaxkiller. Aristophanes/klick was literally afk.

[samantha97]

and that reminds me, this exact same thing happened in MBoS10: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=84589

mafia was wagoned day 1 and, without knowing that yet, I was like

I don't think it's possible to lynch mafia d1 in a game this size unless most of them are afk

I ended up being right, mafia were all inactive (pickaxe had basically no posts d1 and gamma was the wagon):

Spoiler:

[samantha97]

VOTE: klick

[samantha97]

I've accepted you'll never read my posts dkkoba, I was addressing hub

[samantha97]

HUB refusing to vote the blatant scumclaimed person makes me feel they have partner equity

aw lying to try to make him vote the way you want

[samantha97]

vote for klick ydrasse

I have candy here in my van

[samantha97]

dkkoba that candy offer applies to you too

pedit: wow scammed

[samantha97]

anyway aristophanes contributed like 5 posts to the thread and klick has been inactive because there's no reason to be active when he isn't under the gun

we're 4 people pointing guns at each other while he is sitting there laughing

[samantha97]

speaking of 5 people, where the heck is gypyx

[samantha97]

shoshin dismissed the confusion and said you were scum anyway

You've convinced me you're you're not traitor, so you're groupscum with ydra or shely+ydra traitor. Also traitor is not variant

do you dismiss the confusion? to me there's no stronger evidence I'm town

also not traitor itself but wouldn't double roles be a variant?

[samantha97]

You keep pushing this narrative while also demonstrating you could have never helped vax with a fakeclaim + I already showed vax didn't claim for theater reasons not because he could not

I might not have the best grasp of a lot of roles, since I played offsite with a much smaller pool, but there is no universe in which vaxkiller is claiming vanilla in that spot if I'm mafia, theater or otherwise. It made no sense with what he claimed before that and was basically the worst possible thing you could do in that situation. Also, it wouldn't exactly be hard to fakeclaim in a game like this with a full list of roles and modifiers lol.

Also if I'm scum then who am I scum with (assuming two more scum alive)? Why didn't I hammer you last night? Like it'd have to be exactly Klick/Gypyx or Klick lonescum.

Sam you're still on me so I assume you have an answer for this?

no clue how you came to that conclusion so I glossed over it

[samantha97]

samantha do u tr me

And

Do you think its potential mylo

I don't know for sure what mylo means but if it means we lose if we mislynch here then yes there's a decent chance that's the case

like I said yesterday, you being mafia conflicts with how I've judged the game the entire time, so it's worth gambling on you being town given you very likely didn't nightkill

[samantha97]

hub can you explain why you think I want to self vote? doesn't make sense to me on multiple levels, with and without the context of this game

[samantha97]

ok but there's a huge chunk of tinfoil missing there: if I am mafia with ydrasse, why the heck would I want to lynch myself? you already thought it was her yesterday, not me

not only that but I voted for her with you and you're the one who unvoted

feels like I'm being gaslit

[samantha97]

no

[samantha97]

now answer my question

[samantha97]

no you aren't getting it

my wincon as mafia would be staying alive, not self voting "for ydrasse" (idk how this is can even be 'for' someone when they were/are already suspected by multiple people both today and yesterday lol)

I think you're confusing your supposed traitor theory up with this

[samantha97]

I mean I know one exists cause I am it but doesn't one have to exist?

[samantha97]

merry christmas everyone

[samantha97]

bell could have targeted night 1:
gamma
ircher
klick
tgp
hub
shoshin
no one

and I'm only posting that today cause it's a christmas list~

[samantha97]

oh disregard shoshin forgot about that

[samantha97]

and yeah but like, you wanna FV someone that you consider killing, does *anyone* in this list looks really killable apart from hub? (in the N1 state of the game)

wouldn't it be more efficient to target people you don't plan on killing, so that you can change course if you need to? also I am pretty sure ircher said something roleclaimy before the day ended, but I don't feel like checking now

ok last post 4real, today isn't a day for arguing

I will cleanse this post with this

[samantha97]

you keep pushing this narrative that makes no sense without me being a traitor while simultaneously saying I'm not

let's take everything you said and treat it as 100% accurate: why would anyone's role even matter at this point in the game?

like I said before, this is a numbers game, and the numbers don't support your argument

and they don't support dkkoba's either (why the heck would I flagrantly lynch tgp as mafia at that point in the game, or even gamma?)

anyway merry christmas to all and to all a good night

[samantha97]

because sitting on a wagon makes you impotent, and at the mercy of others to decide if that person is lynched + rushing a lynch leaves less wiggle room for mafia to get out of it + also I really wanted a streak and was mad about that lol

[samantha97]

uh it would have been 2 mafia 1 town?

[samantha97]

we seem to be speaking different languages so probably not, but I also don't see why everyone glosses over klick, who fits every criteria

also dkkoba like I said before, I saw your vote on tgp, ctrl f'd the other pages and didn't read what you wrote until after I posted

I dunno why you think I'd put so much weight into what you were saying as to shape my actions around them lol

[samantha97]

I find myself saying "like I said" an awful lot

like I said, my reasons for thinking tgp was mafia were sound, even if he didn't turn out to be

it's not like I would have hammered hbb or something

[samantha97]

endlessterror in conjunction with last night makes me think it isn't shelly so no

it's either hub/ydrasse, hub/klick, hub/gypyx, ydrasse/klick, ydrasse/gypyx, or klick/gypyx if there's 2 mafia

I don't think someone as paranoid as you would have mafia claim vanilla more than once, let alone 3 times, and the only vanillas left are you and klick

[samantha97]

hi I was busy yesterday, just woke up w8 like 4 hours

if I end up forgetting or being too lazy just vote for me I guess

[samantha97]

ok well I am too lazy so tldr:

Honestly I could see ydra as solo scum but I think solo scum worlds are pointless to consider today.

that's the exact opposite of what makes sense today

even if you think there wouldn't be 3 mafia, you're the #1 traitor advocate and are saying it's pointless to consider lone mafia

it only makes sense to focus on teams tomorrow, not today, since you aren't omniscient and today would inform tomorrow

[samantha97]

I'm pretty much checked out at this point so let's speed this up and give klick the win

[samantha97]

this is what happens when severe paranoia sets in after a month

[samantha97]

sam you've been here all along, you creepy lurker person, tell the truth

no I haven't been here all along but also I never thought I was lynched just like no one else did

I've been sitting here saying I don't care if you lynch me at this point though, not sure why you think I'm some malevolent force

maybe it's my avatar

[samantha97]

@boonskiies

: can a commuted/commuter mafia nightkill at the same time?

[samantha97]

sam claim ur target now.

I mean it'd be based on the result of the lynch, but if you wanna collectively pick a target for me instead that's fine

[samantha97]

I... don't know if ydrasse is town, but I believe they believed I was lynched

at first I got vaxkiller vibes but they seem sincere about that

[samantha97]

'see how many people I can hammer in one game'

you have such a creepy window into my soul

[samantha97]

that'sthejoke

[samantha97]

but uh in all seriousness my streak is broken

it's ruined and I don't care about that anymore

[samantha97]

I haven't been examining through the lens of teams, but any combo of you gypyx or hub

a large part of me thinking dkkoba is town rests on my assumption they couldn't nightkill, so I am hoping boonskiies answers that to make sure of it

[samantha97]

I don't think hub was able to lynch anyone but not 100% sure

it's not something I particularly care about atm since there's no confirmation of teams yet

[samantha97]

am I at 3 votes now?

[samantha97]

boonskiies dodging my question gave me an epiphany

"[Inverted] If your target is "away from town" or "in another universe", your action will still succeed, and you will allow all other actions performed on your target to succeed"
"all other actions performed on your target succeed"
that means a night kill while commuted would succeed while commuting

and it fits perfectly with 3 commuters + BEF, because he'd have a chance at framing the "wrong" one

then, when you look at shelly's completely visible acting yesterday, there's no other conclusion possible

VOTE: dkkoba

[samantha97]

people have been doubting you all day

and that's a pretty strong reaction

[samantha97]

Sam do you think Koba's buddy is Ydra, then? Why not f-1 ydra? Do you think her AtE today comes from town ever?

you know I don't know what she ate for any meal today

also chasing teams is a fool's errand to me; I know you disagree but I think it can give reason to miss the obvious today

[samantha97]

just general irl depression compounded with game fatigue

I didn't feel like having to do anything

realizing the inverted thing is really energizing though lol

[samantha97]

people have been doubting all 3 of us all day, trying to characterize those doubts as sudden is just weak

[samantha97]

how many times have you lashed out when things weren't going your way? even small things like that all make perfect sense now

pedit:...? why would I want to vote for an out for dkkoba? or do you think it doesn't make sense?

[samantha97]

your playstyle is ancillary

[samantha97]

hub tell me

boonskiies dodging my question gave me an epiphany

"[Inverted] If your target is "away from town" or "in another universe", your action will still succeed, and you will allow all other actions performed on your target to succeed"
"all other actions performed on your target succeed"
that means a night kill while commuted would succeed while commuting

and it fits perfectly with 3 commuters + BEF, because he'd have a chance at framing the "wrong" one

then, when you look at shelly's completely visible acting yesterday, there's no other conclusion possible

VOTE: dkkoba

does that or does that not make perfect sense? if it doesn't, just vote for me because is isn't going to get any more clear to me

[samantha97]

ok let me rephrase

@boonskiies: theoretically would a commuter be able to night kill while commuting through inversion?

[samantha97]

[samantha97]

I was about to go to bed but I asked and night kills would work while commuting with inversion

[samantha97]

shame. would have been useful to see what vax would claim with gun to head.

he had a gun to his head and claimed vanilla

how do you not know that if you read the thread

heck you didn't even have to read the thread, cause I mentioned it like 5x, someone you supposedly are sure is mafia and whose posts you should have been reading to come to that conclusion

[samantha97]

what do i need to reread for lol

did you forget 5 seconds ago you pretended it would be useful to know what he would have claimed lol

[samantha97]

man we really are gonna lose to something so obvious

[samantha97]

that doesn't match with the actual chain of events klick

for the love of god lol

[samantha97]

samantha, why aren't you voting ydra though

ok I quit and am not posting again

[samantha97]

:/

i'm just tryna understead

ok that made me feel bad so one more post:

that there is an actual team is a baseless assumption (instead of either 1 or 1 + traitor)

on top of that, the ydrasse gotchas are all dumb cause I didn't even realize ydrasse was e-1 earlier or I would have voted for her, but thankfully I didn't cause:

boonskiies dodging my question gave me an epiphany

"[Inverted] If your target is "away from town" or "in another universe", your action will still succeed, and you will allow all other actions performed on your target to succeed"
"all other actions performed on your target succeed"
that means a night kill while commuted would succeed while commuting

and it fits perfectly with 3 commuters + BEF, because he'd have a chance at framing the "wrong" one

then, when you look at shelly's completely visible acting yesterday, there's no other conclusion possible

VOTE: dkkoba

I was about to go to bed but I asked and night kills would work while commuting with inversion

even if you want to operate on the assumption there are teams today for some reason, dkkoba fits via vote process of elimination

you being town makes dkkoba fit as mafia with setup

there's no reason to be even thinking about risking literally anyone else but dkkoba right now which is why I rage responded

ok bye

[samantha97]

uh I just realized that could be interpreted as threatening to replace out, which I want to make clear it was not

also I thought about it from your perspective and you have been voting for me the whole time anyway lol

[samantha97]

I'm kinda leaning sam noticed and didn't say anything about it and I could murder her for that in and of itself

no that's what I was referring to, not realizing ydrasse was e-1 since I thought that vote count was accurate and I was just wrong

[samantha97]

tip: if you think something is inconsistent with what I've said or done, you didn't read my post(s) thoroughly

[samantha97]

uh no

VOTE: ydrasse

[samantha97]

dkkoba if you vote ydrasse I'm sure hub will follow with one too then the day is over

[samantha97]

we're 170 pages deep and you haven't retained anything I've said to you

in fact I'm going to show you right now I'm not a traitor

VOTE: samantha97

[samantha97]

so um

how's the weather in everyone's corner of the universe

[samantha97]

aww

[samantha97]

the snow here was enchanting but it went away

[samantha97]

hub you're killing the mood

[samantha97]

oh yeah I can add some moodiness myself

[samantha97]

...


. . .



. . .

[samantha97]

hmm I could I sworn I hammered myself

either way I really was just an enchantress

[samantha97]

was it really a power role though

I personally feel cheated by mine

[samantha97]

aw

[samantha97]

gj ydrasse

it was nice playing with everyone

[samantha97]

so uh I deliberately didn't look at who I was paired with as mafia but strongly suspected vax was so I had to check right now

Since you said it in the scum PT it's pretty clear you didn't know, but unless they've changed recently this is against site rules

thanks for telling me

[samantha97]

I tried looking here though viewtopic.php?f=4&t=6470 and didn't see it but it's early in the morning for me, do you know where it is stated?

[samantha97]

oh, role pm doesn't say who is mafia