Musician Mafia: Guitarists GAME OVER

[Gamma Emerald]

Toss out in what why? Also, why?

Toss them out as names I think might be important, not as in discarding but as in putting my thoughts out.
And I wanted to see if anyone else had been on every yeet wagon so far.

[Gamma Emerald]

This spurt of attempting to read into Iecerint’s posting reads a bit slimy
The approach to the name pools seems robotic too

[Gamma Emerald]

I think the way you’re going about it feels wrong. You’re also mucking up the thread by posting about it as much as you are imo.

[Gamma Emerald]

My activity is also more consistent throughout the game I believe, and I still am nowhere near the top posters iirc
And maybe I will, tyvm.

[Gamma Emerald]

It sounds like you are wifoming yourself.

I honestly have to say this is an accurate statement
If I’m scum there’s also partners I have to protect.

[Gamma Emerald]

What about dave, Galron?

[Gamma Emerald]

I claimed Vanilla Townie, because that's what the role is. There is no claim to retract because the flavor is meaningless, just like everything you post <3.

OK so

'bout that

I was surprised to see that Iecerint's role is a plain guitarist.
Therefore, IKS's flavor of "developer" was not alignment indicative.

I don't recall who did that, but

the player that made a case that IKS was scum because the flavor didn't match HAS TO BE TOWN.

Who was it???

Developer was IKS’ ROLE, mate!

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: chkflip
I’m glad to see traction maybe being able to be amassed here today, and if chk is scum I think DGB is probably right about chk not being aligned with TD

[Gamma Emerald]

Does that change my point?

Probably not, but like, I see how you thought IKS slipped something now

[Gamma Emerald]

I could maybe see Grendel as scum but his play so far has felt like he’s town trying to solve in his own way

[Gamma Emerald]

DGB is absolutely pointing at chk here

[Gamma Emerald]

Idk why but Lav’s pfp looks like a purple slug until I look closely at it

[Gamma Emerald]

Don’t forget GaMetal

My sincerest apologies.

[Gamma Emerald]

DGB can you stop trolling me

every time you SR me you're wrong

If I always scumread you I'll be right 30% of the time! I'm gonna get lucky eventually.

Average performance isn't impressive :^)

[Gamma Emerald]

Whew, sorry again y'all for the delay.
This morning we got some sad news, the Shred God of Twitch has gone to pass...
After getting banned this week, someone put him out of his misery.

Spoiler: BrightEyedFish

Town VS

Herman Li

Flavor:

You are

Herman Li

. You are the guitarist and main songwriter for DragonForce, and a part of this game's uninformed majority.
You have brought power metal into the limelight with you impressive technicality.

I wasn't the only kid blown away by "Through the Fire and Flames" after playing Guitar Hero. DragonForce had a huge impact on metalheads young and old.
TTFF was my ringtone for a long time back then. Guitar Hero really opened my eyes to what metal is and can be. Before this game, I had just been a hip hop and punk kid.
Megadeth showed me what heaviness was, Lamb of God showed me what brutality was, and Dragonforce showed me what virtuosity was.

Role:

You are a

Vanilla Shredder

You have your voice and your vote.

Wincon:

You win when all opposition to the town is eliminated.

Showcase:

This is a live video of Herman and the rest of the band playing "Fury of the Storm" from Dragonforce's album

Sonic Firestorm

from 2004.
Before TTFF became the talk of everyone's tongue, and the band got thrust into popularity, they released this album. A prelude to their success.
This song came to my knowledge on Guitar Hero, just like TTFF had, but I think this one is almost better. This album really cemented their power metal prowess.
It only grew from there, they became the biggest band in the genre. If you want to show someone what power metal is, you show them Dragonforce.

uuuuuuuuuuuhhh wtf
either something really bastard happened or I might be conftown??? I have no idea what's going on but I just came on site after not being on for like a day to see BEF flipped my flavor and I was given a new flavor?????

[Gamma Emerald]

also these night actions hints/claims don't make thinks easier to process

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like DGB has a straight up powder keg of information she's gonna reveal soon and I'm HERE for it seeing as I myself am just so lost
tbh if Lav really is clear that'll be really good for letting me have a reset to my sorting, Lav chk and BEF were all slots I was sussing so knowing ALL of those were wrong will be a kick to the system

[Gamma Emerald]

Lavender what sort of a player are you

[Gamma Emerald]

Galron
Gamma Emerald
DrippingGoofball
PookyTheMagicalBear
Lavender
Bambi Jay
TiphaineDeath
Grendel
NoPowerOverMe
Almost50
pisskop
Doctor Drew
a2rudeboy
davesaz

DGB who on this list is cleared

[Gamma Emerald]

Let me ask everyone this:
If you were given one of these powers (let me narrow it down by one), why wouldn't you use it ASAP?

1. 1-Shot Bulletproof

2. 1-Shot Cop Ability
3. 1-Shot Instakill (Unblockable kill that can happen at any time)
4. 1-Shot Roleblock
5. 1-Shot Sensor (Learn how many Mafia were on a successful wagon)

Sensor I would probably try to use on a wagon with a few flips and try to get a thinner pool, obv a reason to wait
Instakill I'd probably use to resolve a critical slot or a lurker, that could be waited on for a sensible time
RB I'd probably wait for more scum to die, try to use it to clear someone
Cop is the only I don't see why you'd wait. Especially with someone like Lav around still

[Gamma Emerald]

I just came on site after not being on for like a day to see BEF flipped my flavor and I was given a new flavor?????

Erm. What??

Yeah I'm confused because it feels like a goo effect but my new role is also VT? Was it really just crossed wires on which role flavors we got?

[Gamma Emerald]

no one visited me
what roles on the wiki have the ability to SWAP roles of two other players?

[Gamma Emerald]

Roles or just flavors?

we seem to both be VT, but he flipped with my flavor and I got a new one after
So I see two possibilities: a role did it, or it was mod sending the wrong PMs to start with and because he flipped my flavor as BEF's, he just gave me what BEF originally received.

[Gamma Emerald]

Vanilla Shredder
I was Herman Li but I'm now Leo Natale Carillion

[Gamma Emerald]

distortion doesn't sound like a global self-watcher power
I'm beginning to feel like the effects are in fact delayed a cycle

[Gamma Emerald]

actually that would make sense because everyone was essentially made loud

[Gamma Emerald]

[Gamma Emerald]

if this succeeds I think we turbo Pooky, no?

[Gamma Emerald]

day rolebock pooky

lol

[Gamma Emerald]

DGB says so, and he's kinda openwolfing rn

[Gamma Emerald]

DGB volunteered her action on Starbuck tho

[Gamma Emerald]

Starbuck was inventor

[Gamma Emerald]

That’s not the case at all????

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Pooky
Stop openwolfing.

[Gamma Emerald]

Um aliens are a legit scum faction in great/grand idea

[Gamma Emerald]

It is day 5
We have yeeted, in order, IKS, Looker, Iece, and chkflip

[Gamma Emerald]

You’re talking to the guy who lost his identity last night

[Gamma Emerald]

Lavender’s play is still meh at best, and despite knowing chk had good motives I still stand by my feeling that he honed in on the wrong meta points there, but if there’s legit reason Lav is cleared I’m down to live and let live.

As for Galron idfk what’s going on. By play he’s towny but mechanics wise he seems scummy af

[Gamma Emerald]

Jsyk Grendel the “telling every visiting PR when they are blocked” thing is very much a homesite thing, only investigating roles get that confirmation of some sort of block (via No Result PM)
Idk if that affects your thought process

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Galron
Yeah I rolled Town Vanillaizer in a Greatest Idea game (every other option was lame iirc) and my technique was to use it on vanilla claims and roles that don’t help town, such as negative utilities
Even if he was trying to play that way why would he fish for info?

[Gamma Emerald]

If a player was Role blocked at night, but didnt have an action to use, would they still get a "you were role blocked" message?

On this site you don't get notified you were RB'd either way

You play on Starmen.net without me noticing?

[Gamma Emerald]

are we seriously believing that there are aliens in a game about guitarists.

It's not an alien faction, honey bear.

Where’s the flavor tie in your role name mate
Are we literally gonna catch 3 scum in a row on this same “shitty” point

[Gamma Emerald]

Galron what is the effect of your targeting?
If I was truly targeted, it's not vanillizing.

I protect you from death and I prevent you from doing anything.

That’s not the real function of Alien mate.

YEET GALRON, Y’ALL

[Gamma Emerald]

God. Does nobody else know alien is also another name of Jailkeeper? A powerful one at thats.

It roleblocks anybody else who targets their target. It also stops a kill. I think it also roleblocks their target tho.

bruh.
Pretty sure Bambi and Galron are scum together now. Galron fucked his fakeclaim up in a way Bambi proceeded to make explicit reference to.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm inclined to think Galron is town given the speed half-wagon that formed on him during the IKS wagon (Starbuck/A50/Walter/Dave). If he is then I'd bet that Walter(Grendel) and Dave are both scum, however, if galron is scum I am willing to bet that all four of those names (3 I guess since starbuck is dead) are hard-cleared town, so I'm kind of ok killing galron here.

In my experience those types of wagons are probably populated by more town than scum

[Gamma Emerald]

Wait I knee jerked on that last quote
Why are those 3 cleared to you?

[Gamma Emerald]

God. Does nobody else know alien is also another name of Jailkeeper? A powerful one at thats.

It roleblocks anybody else who targets their target. It also stops a kill. I think it also roleblocks their target tho.

bruh.
Pretty sure Bambi and Galron are scum together now. Galron fucked his fakeclaim up in a way Bambi proceeded to make explicit reference to.

Under this theory, Bambi would be scum, not 3P, and Pooky would be town?

Yeah
Is there a problem with that?

[Gamma Emerald]

Galron what is the effect of your targeting?
If I was truly targeted, it's not vanillizing.

I protect you from death and I prevent you from doing anything.

That’s not the real function of Alien mate.

YEET GALRON, Y’ALL

The wiki THAT I LINKED TO is lying right?

The explicit effects you stated aren’t correct.

[Gamma Emerald]

Oooo. This gon get gud.

Also what the fuck does this mean

[Gamma Emerald]

Galron what is the effect of your targeting?
If I was truly targeted, it's not vanillizing.

I protect you from death and I prevent you from doing anything.

That’s not the real function of Alien mate.

YEET GALRON, Y’ALL

The wiki THAT I LINKED TO is lying right?

The explicit effects you stated aren’t correct.

Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.

But your fakeclaim isn’t good lmao

[Gamma Emerald]

what.

[Gamma Emerald]

M word?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Galron
The gallows are the only fate suited for you now.

[Gamma Emerald]

Claim is ass and he just dayvigged the obvtown with presumably the unstoppable kill he refused to claim he received from Starbuck

[Gamma Emerald]

Idk about you but I think Killswitch was a universal doctor?

[Gamma Emerald]

you'll never take me alive !!!

suicide bomb Gamma Emerald

Gamma I'm the backup mod for the game.

I know there's a serial killer amnesiac thief in the setup.

It's quite clear that DGB is a skinshifter who has taken Starbuck's identity.

HEAL: dgb

How’d you go from A to B here lol

[Gamma Emerald]

Oops didn’t mean to quote that first thing
OR DID I???

[Gamma Emerald]

? what r u talking about gamma

Why’d you flip from trolling and openwolfing to being on DGB’s side

[Gamma Emerald]

The dayvig came from Starbuck
Try to keep up @Bambi

[Gamma Emerald]

Dave, Killswitch as a universal roleblock makes sense.

I don't agree with you Bambi, scum dayvigging obvTown, especially when they had hardcore heat on them seems worth the risk.

Pre Edit: Doesn't it seem too blatant to be open wolfing?

I’m not saying Pooky is scum for that (imo openwolfing describes a behavior pattern that can be done by either alignment)
I just wanna know why his behavior turned on a dime

Also didn’t we already think a universal RB happened N2

[Gamma Emerald]

ive never left dgb's side

Why were you acting like you thought DGB was scum then

[Gamma Emerald]

wait you thought I was shading DGB and not just joking around with her?

Yeah
It started crossing my mind it might’ve been trolling when I started questioning you just now but I wanted to assume it was in earnest for a bit to see how you’d answer to the questioning

Though tbqh the fact I’m questioning you like this probably means you’re town? Like this is EXACTLY how I wanted to react to your play in CoD but I held myself back there

[Gamma Emerald]

OH!

Is anybody town reading A50? I would like to hear some reasons for that if possible.

It seems like a lot of players are just avoiding sorting that slot and it bothers me.

I’ve been TRing A50 pretty steadily since D3
Dave also was a TR at one point, but I need to double-check how I feel on him

[Gamma Emerald]

hold on

[Gamma Emerald]

I thought rude might have done something but I was making something out of nothing

[Gamma Emerald]

Might do some VCA myself, I feel like I’ve recently learned how to do it well, even if the results aren’t 100% perfect.

[Gamma Emerald]

1667 Gammmaaaa, if you are reading rn this can you walk me through why A50's posts around this time struck out as town to you?

It felt like his town tone. A good example of what I mean is mystery box of silver 10, which just finished
I’ve not felt as much of that recently but I also haven’t felt he was actively scummy at all.

[Gamma Emerald]

2284 & 2387
Im curoius to know where Lavender is for Gamma now b/c i seem to recall him pulling back on her past D3, (Gamma can correct my if im wroung) Also I wonder way Gama thinks that No Power looks town for the whole "Dont invite outsiders into mafia games, thats the MODs job" when No Power raised that point again later after I subbed in, and in that instance Gamma SR'd it. No Power had basically the same reaction both times.

I still feel like Lavender is net scummy, but recent developments make her a low priority for trying to yeet. As for NPOM it’s a context thing, and also probably a little selfish. The former part was me thinking it was weird to make scene about that sort of thing as scum. The latter was me thinking it was an attempt was being made to smear the two of us.

[Gamma Emerald]

I have completely lost confidence in A50 town. By this time in the game he has usually pushed something or gotten irate about something.
If he has picked up on the reason for my early game TRs it is easy to fake as scum. If that reason is why most people TR him early game, even more reason to learn how to fake it.

Since most of the town tells I picked up from A50 were early I can definitely see this

[Gamma Emerald]

So you're changing your philosophy because you got called out?

I think what he’s saying is his actions run contrary to the narrative placed on him by those pushing him

[Gamma Emerald]

(death) "I'm not throwing a tantrum! I'm not, I'm not, I'm not!"

“Oh hi Mark”

[Gamma Emerald]

I think the only way TD dies this game is by getting voted out

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t recall ever feeling super strongly that TD is scum

[Gamma Emerald]

Anyways, I swear pkop skips my mind, I was thinking about how they skipped my mind and then I forgot that thought.
Is it because they’re not in anything controversial o.o

Grendel, thoughts on this?

[Gamma Emerald]

They are not my alignment.

Are you CERTAIN?

[Gamma Emerald]

So, maybe I wasn't paying much attention before, and I think it'd be damn too hard for me to reread 200+ pages, so I decided to read from where I am, and mix that with some logic (at least it's logic from MY PoV).

- Gamma: Very likely Town. Proof: I am still alive
- Pooky: Who the hell knows with this guy. He's "good company" regardless, but I can't read him for shit
- Lav: Town: Reason: Inexplicable visit claim to FGB which instantly made the latter conf!Town her. I'll go with that.
- Bambi: Again, who the hell knows? His win con could literally be "Love long enough to have used up all your abilities and you leave the game a winner"
- TD: Nothing so far. I remember having TR's him earlier, but I don't remember why. Currently NULL
- Grendel: I remember he made a string entrance to the game that doesn't come from Scum IMHO. Ton Lean
- NPOM: The Towniest Townie that has ever Towned in this game. This "untidy" thought process combined with such loudness and a touch of "not caring how it looks on me" NEVER comes from Scum. Lacking conviction and flip/flopping is also more likely a Town trait, because there simply doesn't seem to be any agenda or pre-planned objective behind it.
- A50: That guys is scummy to me. He barely beats Lavender activity-wise.
- pisskop: Overall, that's a townie slot. Don't ask for specifics because with PK everything can be interpreted either way. It's probably WHEN he says/does things that matter, so it's more of a matter of conception rather than solid reasoning
- Drew: Believe it or not I can't make up my mind about this one. He sometimes comes across as pretty townie and other times comes across as vaguely scummy.
- rude: I don't remember why exactly I town!binned this guy, but it has been a steady read all over and I never had him below a Town Lean, so not gonna go for his elimination any time soon. (Gun-to-head he's my 2nd strongest TR after NPOM)
- dave: He's been town!binned just because it's easier that way. With dave I do NOT look for "town tells"m but rather for "SCUM tells" and he hasn't shown any (unless I missed it while skimming)

Som you see my dilemma is still that I have nothing solid to push anyone in particular, and way too few SRs than O probably should have.

I probably should do some ISOing next, although I suck at it (reading posts out of context and natural sequence is often misleading to me), but I shall try anyhow.

Can someone count the typos or shall I?

[Gamma Emerald]

Holdup, did rude just say that he has role info that NPOM is scum and hasn't been voting him? What? I am so lost :/

Yeeeaaah that made me do a double-take myself. Could just be a bad transcription or something but if that’s legit what it said that’s a massive fuck-up, where we have to turboyeet rude since if he’s town that’s a horrible mistake to make.

[Gamma Emerald]

well no actully. it probably is 1 town, 1 indie, 1 scum

since Rude's flavor sounds like mine in terms of the "Others dont share your alignment" line, that means if he's scum then the other member would be an indie. Vice versa if Rude is 3rd party then other member is scum.

No power is Conf!Perphirty member right? Or is this just an educated guess on Rude and I's parts?

Grendel, I don't think the third guitarist is NPOM. I think it's gamma

Definitely not. I’m Leo Natalie Carillion. That’s not on the list.

[Gamma Emerald]

Natale, not Natalie lmao

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah, but there has to be a reason assemble subbed in and subbed out without even posting. Those two things combined is highly suspicious.

Because he’s a flaky flaker who flakes?

[Gamma Emerald]

Remembering that Boon is the reviewer / backup mod is important here. The set could be the boon-esque role that's like an eliminator, the corresponding target/survivor role, and town.

This is an interesting argument, that might make Grendel the Hunter given his reaction.

[Gamma Emerald]

:/
Maybe he scum/3p, but where’s the evidence of THAT? Imo his posting lacks scummy vibes both generally and from what I know of him, but I don’t profess to read him especially well. I remember he sorta fooled me in a game a little bit back. Even then, compared to my last game with him his posting feels leagues more natural, bearing in mind he replaced in for both games which means about even slates for evaluation.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why are you trying to push the target on Grendel, then?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: rudeboy
Frozen 3p ez

[Gamma Emerald]

What makes Grendel in a more favorable position than rude besides him saying that he's town.

The fact I actually think Grendel has done towny things while I don’t think that of rude?
If rude flips groupscum I think you need to get turbo yeeted after.

[Gamma Emerald]

Like no shit Grendel could still be scum or 3p but in both general behavior and handling of the Periphery situation he looks way better, and you trying to twist things into something that just doesn’t make sense to push rn looks fucking horrible for you.

[Gamma Emerald]

Well it seems it is hammered
DO NOT let NPOM off the hook for this.

[Gamma Emerald]

Are you dense? Rude and Grendel are confirmed NOT ALIGNED. IN ADDITION I’ve clearly stated I’m not the third Periphery. So idk how that makes me the third fucking anything.

[Gamma Emerald]

I also had role mixup with a regular VT so good luck making that bullshit make sense

[Gamma Emerald]

My Bullshit is based on an attempted gambit by Rude and Grendel, if you look at it from that point of view gamma it makes ALL the sense, and it makes ESPECIALLY more sense given that it was looking like rude was going to die anyway and scum have daytalk, so they decided to use it to hardclear grendel.

I’m sorry but this sounds stupid in a way that is downright offensive to properly express. Why do I have the flavor switch weirdness with BEF if I’m scum/third periphery? The only viable explanation is it’s faked, but why would I fake that shit? And why do you think rude + Grendel are gambitting? It seems you’ve followed NPOM in drinking the dipshit Kool-aid of trying to make this Periphery deal into something it probably isn’t.

[Gamma Emerald]

yeah it looks like it

I'm curious why scum seem to have opted to kill NPOM

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I can probably do an effective VCA if I stick to principles developed in my last attempt

[Gamma Emerald]

Whatever the deal is with DDrew has to do with alive people exclusively from my quick check-up
Also I notice something else, this time with NPOM’s role in the dead list in the OP

[Gamma Emerald]

Tbh that investigative should probably have a decent quantity of results and if I’m right they should probably claim

[Gamma Emerald]

Would it not make MORE sense to yeet the cult leader and see if beheading the cult results in the body not moving?

[Gamma Emerald]

(dw about me, I’m just feeling out the competition)

[Gamma Emerald]

Are you aiming to off cult specifically or any scum at all?

[Gamma Emerald]

No cop has flipped yet

[Gamma Emerald]

I think we should wait for mod response but I am willing to give Pooky botd

[Gamma Emerald]

The town wincon was crossed out

[Gamma Emerald]

So what
It’s probably like that the starting balance can be approximated

[Gamma Emerald]

We only have 3 flipped mafia

[Gamma Emerald]

I think some cults don’t have a PT
I was part of one that didn’t have one once, but it had a special wincon that was announced to me
So I think if there is no PT the wincon con change would at least be communicated (otherwise that becomes a bit of a lie-by-omission)

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma actully sounded kind informed when he was defending me EoD6, and I cant recall ever playing a game where Gamma hard defended me like that.

I think my strongest recollection of anything like me defending you was CivMafia^2 (where you were scum ;-;)

[Gamma Emerald]

Can I pass the buck on my claim? Who all is left?

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m a bit of a special VT. I’ll say more after Dave claims.

[Gamma Emerald]

I claimed special VT

[Gamma Emerald]

I can claim it ig
I'm working on clarifying my claim already so not like I'm going too far out of my way by verifying that as well

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay so nothing seems to be advancing despite clear reason for it to, so I have to make my next step be the next step.
When I said I was a “special” VT, it wasn’t a lie, but it wasn’t exactly true either. I started as a normal VT, but I got culted N3. We’ve determined the cult can definitely win with town, and so me and the leader decided we’d claim this at some point. The leader is actually pisskop, and I thought he was going to do something with the gunsmith claim (which was fake), but his last post tells me he isn’t doing what I thought. I thought he was aiming to accuse someone specific with that. I’ll get into that in my next part of the post, which I will start right below.

The full mechanics of the cult as

I

know them are that until there are 3 alive members, pisskop can keep recruiting, but after it hits 3 we can’t recruit more. In exchange any night we are at capacity, we have a nightkill of our own, turning us into a bit of a “cultafia”, which I put in quotes because our wincon make that a poor descriptor. In addition, pisskop can still recruit when he is dead, so he could possibly work as a ghost cop at that point? I need to make sure I get informed of whether I get new partners after pisskop dies.
As for targets, the recruit targets went NPOM (success), Lavender (failure), Gamma (success). Following the, starting N4 we shot BEF because the others were thinking he was towny iirc, and I just wanted him gone. I was the one who fired the shot, so it would be possible to think there was a role steal aspect to the shot, but I also have verified it was just mod error that caused the flavor switcheroo, and Baker isn't lying on that level so I can trust that. The next two nights we shot Grendel (which was especially ironic for me N5 since I was the one firing the shot, thus being an interesting case of me bringing Grendel in and then being the one to take him out), but he survived twice. I'm guessing he survived N5 because of Bambi's action, and N6 because of Lav's (I'm glad it failed the second time too because losing essentially conftown like that would have been unfortunate).

Now one glaring thing there is the fact Lav avoided recruitment N2. There was the seeming global rb, but if that was NOT the case then Lav is confscum because obviously the cult action fails on groupscum (essentially a loyal action that considers the cult leader as town for the interaction, aka: leader doesn't die if he targets scum).
Another thing that's been nagging at me ever since I got culted was the fact it seems like there's a reprogrammer (role that restores a player's original alignment) based on the way our wincon looks? It seems like the cult is designed to be able to win with town in order to neutralize the inherent call to out the cult if someone becomes town again. Another spot of irony, given I instantly betrayed pisskop the last time he recruited me into a cult of his, thus the speculated reason there is one that acts counter to my natural urges. As I wrote this up I had the thought maybe the reprogrammer is a scum role, there to dismantle the cohesiveness of the cult?

[Gamma Emerald]

meant to post the band of my flavor alongside that :/
the band of my flavor is The Dali Thundering Concept

[Gamma Emerald]

wait
I forgot about that thing, when did that scum flip again?

[Gamma Emerald]

maybe the lawyer actually works against the cult leader somehow and that is there to ensure that backstop doesn't get pulled unfairly?
The only thing in this game that vaguely resembles a cop at this point is pisskop, so either that's the case or the lawyer was a red herring role (which I could definitely see, red herrings are actually totally Normal)

[Gamma Emerald]

if that's "why aren't you part of the cult", pk's goals didn't really line up with targeting pooky any time he could have
pretty much every single target choice N1-3 was based on defusing some interaction in the game

[Gamma Emerald]

Spoiler:

Okay so nothing seems to be advancing despite clear reason for it to, so I have to make my next step be the next step.
When I said I was a “special” VT, it wasn’t a lie, but it wasn’t exactly true either. I started as a normal VT, but I got culted N3. We’ve determined the cult can definitely win with town, and so me and the leader decided we’d claim this at some point. The leader is actually pisskop, and I thought he was going to do something with the gunsmith claim (which was fake), but his last post tells me he isn’t doing what I thought. I thought he was aiming to accuse someone specific with that. I’ll get into that in my next part of the post, which I will start right below.

The full mechanics of the cult as

I

know them are that until there are 3 alive members, pisskop can keep recruiting, but after it hits 3 we can’t recruit more. In exchange any night we are at capacity, we have a nightkill of our own, turning us into a bit of a “cultafia”, which I put in quotes because our wincon make that a poor descriptor. In addition, pisskop can still recruit when he is dead, so he could possibly work as a ghost cop at that point? I need to make sure I get informed of whether I get new partners after pisskop dies.
As for targets, the recruit targets went NPOM (success), Lavender (failure), Gamma (success). Following the, starting N4 we shot BEF because the others were thinking he was towny iirc, and I just wanted him gone. I was the one who fired the shot, so it would be possible to think there was a role steal aspect to the shot, but I also have verified it was just mod error that caused the flavor switcheroo, and Baker isn't lying on that level so I can trust that. The next two nights we shot Grendel (which was especially ironic for me N5 since I was the one firing the shot, thus being an interesting case of me bringing Grendel in and then being the one to take him out), but he survived twice. I'm guessing he survived N5 because of Bambi's action, and N6 because of Lav's (I'm glad it failed the second time too because losing essentially conftown like that would have been unfortunate).

Now one glaring thing there is the fact Lav avoided recruitment N2. There was the seeming global rb, but if that was NOT the case then Lav is confscum because obviously the cult action fails on groupscum (essentially a loyal action that considers the cult leader as town for the interaction, aka: leader doesn't die if he targets scum).
Another thing that's been nagging at me ever since I got culted was the fact it seems like there's a reprogrammer (role that restores a player's original alignment) based on the way our wincon looks? It seems like the cult is designed to be able to win with town in order to neutralize the inherent call to out the cult if someone becomes town again. Another spot of irony, given I instantly betrayed pisskop the last time he recruited me into a cult of his, thus the speculated reason there is one that acts counter to my natural urges. As I wrote this up I had the thought maybe the reprogrammer is a scum role, there to dismantle the cohesiveness of the cult?

So who shot Drew? You say you shot BEF, Grendel, Grendel. Right? And we don't have a VIG claim. I don't get it.

Which power did Bambi use last night? It could have been a mass redirector maybe
does it make sense for drew to have shot NPOM? If not we could maybe lim down the players who would have motive to do so and if that runs dry then my theory is effectively confirmed?

[Gamma Emerald]

yup

[Gamma Emerald]

er why

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dave claimed VS (which I did miss clarifying earlier that yes I am vanilla shredder)

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I think majority of times I've been cult I had no PT with my leader but one of those times it wasn't entirely necessary?

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Anyways this basically confirms my suspicions that Lav was a protective of some sort. She protected me from two NKs in the same night haha. Lavender is lock town for me

Cool

[Gamma Emerald]

What’s dave at rn
Tbh I also wanna do some VCA because I REALLY think I have what it takes to make it work

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah it’s probably Lav or Grendel that Dave spoke of

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay legit what is Dave at

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Ok thanks
Pls don’t hammer before I can do my VCA y’all

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tbh NPOM REALLY wanted BEF and Grendel dead iirc, I just didn't have any reason to really fight him on that.
Also pooky is trying damn hard to paint me as scum here. nagl

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suuuuure
but you said it multiple times for no good reason imo

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fear sure. doubt idk

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literally the only reason I was okay claiming was that DGB had died

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hey this time I didn't have a role that pressured me to shift back to townsiding

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She protected me from two NKs in the same night haha. Lavender is lock town for me

??? I -again- fail to understand. VS role could not have visited you. Gamma said he was the one calling the shots. But let's assume Gamma meant he "decided" the kill and sent NPOM to do it. Also Drew obviously tried to kill you. Now how did we still end up with 2 bodies? IF you are PGO then Lav should have also died. If you are some sort of a reflexive redirector then (a) you didn't need protection and (b) she was also redirected. (I'd also find a bit odd that the killers were redirected unto each other, but that's above your pay grade and mine).

Can you please walk me through this? Or maybe not. The game looks like it's about to end anyway, so I can wait.

Our kill works like a mafia nightkill. We send 1 person to do it. It was me N4 (iirc) and N5. N6 it was NPOM.

But I’m definitely thinking Bambi did something funny to the kills.

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honestly i could live with a Grendel kill based on last nights actions.
VOTE: iunvote

Somebody has got some 'splainin to do!

You forget Grendel’s damn near conftown?

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Once Dave flips scum we’re coming for you Pooky.

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lol

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At this point I’d rather have hammer than let scum muck things up more while I procrastinate my VCA (though I’ve managed to eliminate 2 big put-off reasons for different reasons each)

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Honestly it’s probably better to do at night when I can digest the last lim flip too

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how's that relevant
dave are you truly certain of that knowing what it looks like now

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this was n4 right? which thing did bambi use then

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I

lost

survivibility by letting gamma claim.

I claimed to spite DGB, and also my shitty winrate as 3p. I want to win while playing with my cards face up, DAMMIT!
(You can thank Homestuck for putting that metaphor regarding the cards in my head)

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no im serious i dont lose as scum.

Reeeeaaaally? Hold up a second because I remembered a moment of you being a cheeky fucker.

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you'll never take me alive !!!

suicide bomb Gamma Emerald

You can fuck right off for this shit.

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IN CASE YOU DIDN’T KNOW
The only scum loss I’ve chronicled of Pooky was in a game where the entire set of groupscum was a bunch of suicide bombers
That little brazen move came after I got vigged in that game and couldn’t out him. Well played, but I think that warrants a demerit here?

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a cult recruiter that can recruit while dead is the most absurd role i've ever heard of and can't possibly exist.

but i don't care enough to fight about it because it's pretty clear this town stopped caring about winning a while ago.

if I am scum I can gurantee you that the town will not hit a single scum player in the first 5 days

Really mister “only survived the early gauntlet by executing a fake Mason claim”
I can’t hear you over the sound of your traitor buddy getting bodied D1 and your partner being pushed to the point of killing themselves off for a desperation kill on conftown. Plus me calling your other buddy the fuck out on a BS push that I only couldn’t substantiate because I only gained the proper evidence from a completed game after I’d already died in that one.

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IN CASE YOU DIDN’T KNOW
The only scum loss I’ve chronicled of Pooky was in a game where the entire set of groupscum was a bunch of suicide bombers
That little brazen move came after I got vigged in that game and couldn’t out him. Well played, but I think that warrants a demerit here?

wait you played in that game? lolol

I've never had an entire scum team collectively commit suicide on me like that.

but usually when people listen to me we do not lose.

Yeah you wish I forgot, but I rarely forget, I only forget when it is the best way to make a humongous ass of myself

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The longer dave stays alive the longer I think me and grendel and maybe pooky are the only town left in this stupid game Q_Q.

Lav is conftown tho

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Honestly I don't know what kinda game the scum and assorted 3P are playing anymore and I'm kinda tired of it. I have having fun when I was doing VCA and felt like I had caught people, which apparently I had, it was just MORE 3Ps. At this point I'm pretty checked out, sorry fam x_X.

That’s a fair mindset ig

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I’m reading and trying to think
I REALLY should do VCA today before we decide a lim.

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Tbh
Your claim feels fishy to me. I won’t actually press it but something seems askew based on Drew’s flip
Also I’m curious, did you ever think rude’s allusions regarding his role before his full claim were indicative of him being big brain?

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Okay that seems sensible. I don’t think anything you’ve done atp really indicates you might not be town.

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This is my perspective. Grendel is scum or was roleblocked. Either scenario indicates we lynch him.

I was thinking Unrecruitable, which might mean something. Grendel claimed vig, and while his behavior is consistent with expected town POV I kinda think he might be SK? That could explain why he didn’t shoot A50.

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Also i guess that this technically means that LAV is disconfirmed as town, but I still TR them for history of visiting highly likely nk bait like DGB, and then me after i won that 1v1 w/ rude. Which lines up with what a town protective would do.

If lav is scum I do NOT want to lose to her here.
I need to get on that VCA post-haste!

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I posted a nice accumulation of links jsyk

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whats jsvk?

just so you know

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I mistyped tho ;-;

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tbqh why haven't scum killed bambi yet

[Gamma Emerald]

okay
you've lived this long. would this not be the PERFECT time to do some shit?

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm not gonna be happy if you lurked an entire game out as town, where's the bambi fire?

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by doing that you refrain from elimming real scum >:/

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So do it.

I dont like these 'oh man Im gonna do it if xyzed happens XOXO winkyface!!1!' posts.

Looks like Bullshit scum posturing to me.

In addition, town would still possibly be able to be recruited and win with cult; scum cannot. TDeath’s behavior here makes more sense as scum given that.

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@Gamma & Pisskop

What happened to doing VCA?

I was looking forward hearing your thoughts.

Laziness and other things being more interesting, on my part.
Though tbh, why not do your own? Your perspective is more trustworthy. Why do you want the VCA of people who have an possible interest in fudging it?

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I do know but I don’t have the time/energy atp and don’t know if I ever will. Don’t wanna make promises I know I’ll never keep.

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VOTE: A50
I have little assurance this will flip scum but I think we need something

[Gamma Emerald]

Lollll my hammer is funny AF in retrospect

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Pretty sure only way for cult to lose was for everyone to somehow die at once or something

[Gamma Emerald]

btw when is Son of a Shepherd gonna come out to play again >:D

[Gamma Emerald]

One of baker’s alts, it appeared in Make Me Regret This UPick and never again iirc

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I wasn’t explicitly trying to solo but the goal was just to WIN after having claimed everything. Third time was apparently the charm on townsiding as 3p while having my cards face-up. I’m just glad I was able to legitimately townside in the end, as a solo victory wouldn’t have the same validation level.

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why is galron mvp >:/
he played meh until he dayvigged town leader, why is that mvp worthy ever

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Yeah thank god I was on the right side of the poorly balanced 3p this game, would’ve been pissed if I got fucked again the same way I was in MBoS10