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Npom, you said that yesterday about me and DGB, when we were hard-townreading each other and trying to get the same things done. If you want to pretend to have two braincells to rub together than you need to take a serious look at yourself and re-read this game. If you don't, then I am probably going to stop bothering to read your posts.
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Welp, I didn't, and I'd been tunneled on the bear for a while so it took me longer. Also I went back and looked at the votecounts again, and I think you probably go in my townpile.
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Actually, I might need to put NPOM higher tbh, I think post#663 by baker hardclears him. Like, I hate it, but it probably does. That same post actually also makes it less likely that dave is also scum though unless scum are being REALLY brazen, godammit :/.
And wait, during the IKS day, there was a fifth person on the galron wagon I missed, and it was rude.
And in between vote count 3.08 and 3.09, rude hops on and off the icerint wagon while it is building.
Am I getting taken for a ride here?
What if I'm reaching for straws with bambi, and scummy behavior is just scummy.
What if there are three scum left, and they are Rude-Grendel-Bambi.
Does anyone have any reasonably concrete evidence that disputes this hypothesis? Because I've been missing stuff all over the place, and I am trying to do hard-VCA right now so I am happy for the extra input.Chaos, Panic, Disorder, my work here is done.
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Sorry, I didn't adjust that after the second set of VCA I did I just left it there. Rude was there because he's been chill and agreeing with me and I think I was getting pocketed honestly :/. Lav is low because I don't know where to put the 100% shitposter. You'll note that I pretty much threw out the list and made a new theory at the bottom of that post xD.Chaos, Panic, Disorder, my work here is done.
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I swear to fuck you are the worst player I have ever had the misfortune to be in a game with. The ONLY reason you are not the scummies sum-bitch ever is because the flipped-scum targetted you and I don't think they'd bus that hard in those situations.Chaos, Panic, Disorder, my work here is done.
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@Drew, I've just been running around like a chicken sans head so much with people bringing up things I have missed that should REALLY be figuring into my calculations that I want to take a minute to get the rest of the game's input.
For now I think UNVOTE: But I want to talk about Rude/Grendel/Bambi.Chaos, Panic, Disorder, my work here is done.
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I really don't get how you can look at NPOM's posting and see anything that resembles reasonability or town-signals Drew. I just don't know how to explain this any more clearly. He's either scum, or unimaginable dense, and I am currently choosing to believe the second, but every once in a while it jumps out and hits me in the face, and I don't like it.Chaos, Panic, Disorder, my work here is done.
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Are you fucking kidding me? I've been saying that FOR AGES. That's not a goddamn scumslip. Have you gone full head-up-the-ass here or are you actively trolling me?
I want to vote him, because I hate that EVERYTHING HE DOES READS AS SCUM TO ME.
I haven't, because my VCA, which I am trusting more, says he is town.
This isn't that hard to understand if you try for two seconds, I swear to fuck.Chaos, Panic, Disorder, my work here is done.
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Yeah, see, that was what I was talking about with people having information that I should work in that I am forgetting about. Bambi does make more sense as 3P which means there are probably 3-4 scum not including Bambi, unless you are scum with bambi, which I think is what I originally postulated. And if there are only 5 scum total then them having huge power would make a lot of sense tbh.
I'm signing off for now, I'll take another crack at this tomorrow.Chaos, Panic, Disorder, my work here is done.
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I just, I don't see the possible scum motivation to grendel stepping up and calling a 1v1 there. Unless this is the "bastard" bit and we're just gonna kill a bunch of useless-ass neutrals. Seriously, if ya'll are 3P survivors you should REALLY claim now, otherwise one of you is scum, or you're both dumb and going to both die :/.Chaos, Panic, Disorder, my work here is done.
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I find myself in agreement with the bear. My only issue is that this game has been so full of trolls that I'm worried we gonna flip rude and he's gonna be 3P without claiming, then we're gonna flip grendel and he's gonna be town, then we gonna cry :/. Like, I kind of wanted to kill rude and grendel before this all started, but this whole situation feels funky x_X.Chaos, Panic, Disorder, my work here is done.
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But this doesn't-make-sense. You 100% cannot both be town, otherwise you are 100% trolling, but I can't find the scum motivation for this play, at all, unless you are both scum, which, is actually kind of starting to go back to being the most likely possible reality....Chaos, Panic, Disorder, my work here is done.
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Yeah, same thing I said to rude applies to grendel, if you are 3P in all this you really do need to hardclaim it now, because it looks like we are after rude first, but if rude flips green then you're gonna die mate. Like, if he is an idiot and doesn't claim and flips gray then MAYBE you get to live, but if you're gray you gotta tell us.
Honestly at this point if rude flips red I am like 75% tempted to call this a gambit and powerlynch grendel ANYWAY.Chaos, Panic, Disorder, my work here is done.
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Sorry Grend, this situation is just extremely fucky, and I'm trying to look at it from your perspective and from rude's, and unless both of you are scum and gambiting, or trolls, then someone is not acting in their own best self interest. So they should either stop that, or it is reasonable to assume you are both scum here.
Even if somehow one of you is scum and the other town, (Which I don't get why the scum player would ever have voluntarily gotten into this situation in the first place, and you BOTH volunteered), then at this point the scum would have claimed 3P 100% of the time.
I just can't find reasonable realities other than you two being scum.
Then again, I am constantly disappointed as to how reality fails to be reasonable so maybe I am wrong *shrugs*, that's just what I am seeing here.Chaos, Panic, Disorder, my work here is done.
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My Bullshit is based on an attempted gambit by Rude and Grendel, if you look at it from that point of view gamma it makes ALL the sense, and it makes ESPECIALLY more sense given that it was looking like rude was going to die anyway and scum have daytalk, so they decided to use it to hardclear grendel.Chaos, Panic, Disorder, my work here is done.
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Bambi Jay, PookyTheMagicalBear, Lavender, davesaz, Grendel, TiphaineDeath, Gamma Emerald, Almost50, pisskop are alive.
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Of those I can remove myself, and I'm gonna call grendel and pisskop locktown.
Bambi, Lav, Dave, Gamma, A50, Pooky
I have honestly been too stupid this game for my gut to be right about pooky being scum, so let's take him out.
Bambi, Lav, Dave, Gamma, A50.
Of those, Lav is a lurksack, and dave is a scumsack, and bambi's posting record is terrible, I'm going to go and try to look at all five of their voting records and come back with something useful. Once more into the breach my friends.Chaos, Panic, Disorder, my work here is done.
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Everytime I think about voting dave I go back to votecount 1.05. And while I guess it is possible that three scum immediately jumped on NPOM together and I am wifoming myself out of an obvious target here, it just honestly doesn't seem likely to me, so I'ma keep my eye on him, but bench dave from the kill-list for now.
Bambi, Lav, Gamma, A50
Votecount 1.07 is the peak of the galron counter-wagon that got ran up counter to iks. It was shifty as fuck and I think it's very likely there's a scum on it. If I am going to ignore dave, then that scum has to be A50. But if one or both of A50/Dave isn't scum based on that wagon I will be VERY surprised.
Bambi, Lave, Gamma (A50 scumpile?)
Gamma's voting record on IKS is weird, but not necessarily damning, he's on it early-mid wagon, jumps off to vote pisskop(Who I am calling locktown for how hard they've been after Drew all game), and then jumps back on at the end as the kill happens. +1 scum point, but not scumpiled yet.
Votecount 2.03 is interesting as it shows the beginning of a re-attempt to murder NPOM with Iecerint, PookyTheMagicalBear, Gamma Emerald, Starbuck. I don't think it's unreasonable for a second scum to be here with icerint, and if they are it's Gamma or pooky. Not awarding any points here, but gotta keep looking at those two.
Man, I'm trying but I am really not good at this VCA stuff, someone ressurect Titus Q_Q.
Votecount 3.05 catches my interest again as the DGB wagon forms. It's got icerint and Doctor Drew on it out of 6 people. Again, given how great getting DGB lynched would be at that moment for scumteam, I don't think it's impossible there's a third scum here, and if there is it's A50.
Given that, the Grendel counterwagon that springs up on votecount 3.06 almost HAS to be town-pushed, possibly with 0 scum on it at all, which makes me want to give Bambi, Pooky, and Dave +1 Town point.
As the icerint wagon of the day starts at votecount 3.07, gamma is there for that. If there were such a high concentration of scum on DGB, then Gamma might not want to be on DGB themselves, but defecting to a wagon on their scumbuddy that their target is pushing seems like bad play. Though by then the DGB wagon HAS fallen appart, so maybe it's just looking for shelter in a storm?
3.08 shows Drew has decided to buss icerint, and gamma is still hanging out there with 7 votes on it. In fact, as I take a break from VCA to go back and look at gamma's posting, gamma is pushing the icerint wagon along the whole way. They jump off for a moment to go after rude, but then jump back on very quickly. I think +2 townpoints for gamma here. If this was a bus it was a VERY well done bus. This is also the point where Pooky shows up and helps lynch icerint as well (not really on my list at the moment and that's kind of why +1 town point for him on the periphery.)
Chkflip gets TURBO lynched, and that is very surprising to me. Scumpoints for the back-end of this wagon. (Dave, Pooky, Lav, Pisskop) I'm still inclined to have pisskop as hardcleared though, and pooky is troll enough I maybe shouldn't even be giving him scum points for this. Dave/Lav +1 scum point. Also, first time anything read-worthy occurs with Lave at all. I hate lurkers :/.
Galron gets TURBO lynched, which he deserved, but is still a problem. Drew is on this one, so that's one scum, but lav and pooky are as well, and since he deserved this it's easy cover for scum to pile on. Again, I hate lav more than pooky here. +1 scum point to lav again.
If I think there is only one scum on the rude wagon then it is Drew, and that's easy. If I think there are two, the second one has to be A50 or Gamma, and gamma is looking really good right now. +1 scum point for A50.
Bambi, Lav, Gamma, A50
Out of these 4 I am inclined to think the last two scum are lavendar and A50, and I am more inclined to vote the person who has been under my radar the whole game but still managing to (my subconscious tells me) sound reasonable and vaguely townlike, than I am to vote the lurker.
VOTE: A50Chaos, Panic, Disorder, my work here is done.
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Wait, holy fuck I'm a moron. If you read NPOM role pm then CULT IS CONFIRMED, and NPOM was one of them, which means, pooky isn't the cult-leader or he is because he is a cheeky sumbitch? AAAAAAAH Q_Q. I know nothing and trust no one!!!!!!!!Chaos, Panic, Disorder, my work here is done.
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Yeah, honestly whoever is cult right now probably serves their wincondition best in either scenario by claiming. Scum will never shoot you, and if we believe you then town never lynches you either, and you make us all winning the game much easier.Chaos, Panic, Disorder, my work here is done.
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