I think I will wait for an official VC to try to dismantle whatever wagon that's leading and raise another just for the kick of it (because that appears to be the fad in this game, and I no longer understand why wagons form or fade, but that's probably because I am not paying much attention as of late.)In post 4034, BrightEyedFish wrote:UNOFFICIAL VC:
Grendel (3): Bambi Jay, TiphaineDeath, chkflip
DrippingGoofball (1): Iecerint
TiphaineDeath (3): Galron, Starbuck, pisskop
Lavender (3): a2rudeboy, Gamma Emerald, Grendel
NPOM (2): Doctor Drew, PookyTheMagicalBear
Iecerint (1): DrippingGoofball
Not Voting (5): Lavender, NoPowerOverMe, davesaz, Almost50, BrightEyedFish
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Oh, THANK YOU, most gracious Mod.In post 4044, The Baker wrote:
I object to the wagon on Grendel, and would suggest a new wagon on dave or A50 )the two players neither voting nor being voted currently) as that would bring some new perspective to the game.In post 4044, The Baker wrote:
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Why would you want to be something as hideous as a human being?In post 4125, Gamma Emerald wrote:I can understand that well. I'm still adjusting to having to be a responsible human being again.
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Would you rather I jokingly FoS'd you?In post 4128, Grendel wrote:Dont like how Almost 50 keeps jokely defending me. Feels like fake fluff prod-dodges.
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Is it?
Nah! I'ma be a cool dude and declare intent first.
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In post 4143, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Ice Ice has already scumtold 5 times in his last post
I did not read the post so it will be up to you to figure out what I'm talking about.
Man! When I read the first line I was about to quote and ask how so, then I read the second one and I just burst out laughing
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Neither Not_Mafia nor Flavor Leaf are in the game though!In post 4144, chkflip wrote:Negative. There needs to be intent to hammer first.
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Do you want myIn post 4218, DrippingGoofball wrote:A50 you're not voting. Be a pal. We need Iecerint's fake claim. We are running out of time.HONESTopinion? We are ALL scum in this game (and that includes me). Some of us aren't reading anymore *raises hand* and some are hopping on each and every wagon that remotely looks like taking off, making it damn too hard to draw any associative tells either way. Regardless of who gets shredded; I feel like anyone ON the wagon could be scum (bussing or pushing a miselim, depending on the flip), and anyone OFF it could still be scum (avoiding a p's wagon or distancing from a miselim). It is sad that that's how it feels on D3, but seriously.. I fon't know why wagons form or dissipate in this game anymore, and everyone's shouting a different set of names to be shredded.
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I once played a game in which there was only ONE TOWN-ALIGNED PLAYER in a roaster of 24 players. Scum teams came in pairs (i.e. each contained 2 people) with 3 (or 5) 3PIn post 4241, a2rudeboy wrote:In post 4225, Almost50 wrote:
We are ALL scum in this gameIn post 4218, DrippingGoofball wrote:A50 you're not voting. Be a pal. We need Iecerint's fake claim. We are running out of time.
I actually played a bastard once where every one was given the role of a Confused Vanilla Townie : viewtopic.php?f=56&t=15624&start=1025
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@Grendel: No. You're probably talking about me indeed. I do tend to be more solvey when I do have a bloody idea of what's going on. I mean, whether I'm wrong or right is another matter, but I -at least- would have an idea.In post 4256, Grendel wrote:
I think that this can be savlagable working backwards with TRs. Figure out who your trusts are and bloc with them.In post 4225, Almost50 wrote:
Do you want myIn post 4218, DrippingGoofball wrote:A50 you're not voting. Be a pal. We need Iecerint's fake claim. We are running out of time.HONESTopinion? We are ALL scum in this game (and that includes me). Some of us aren't reading anymore *raises hand* and some are hopping on each and every wagon that remotely looks like taking off, making it damn too hard to draw any associative tells either way. Regardless of who gets shredded; I feel like anyone ON the wagon could be scum (bussing or pushing a miselim, depending on the flip), and anyone OFF it could still be scum (avoiding a p's wagon or distancing from a miselim). It is sad that that's how it feels on D3, but seriously.. I fon't know why wagons form or dissipate in this game anymore, and everyone's shouting a different set of names to be shredded.
anycase I can say im pretty disappointed reading through your iso. I recall you being a much more apt player back in 2016. You dont seem like you've been trying v hard despite the sheer volume of your posts this game. Perhaps I confused you with another player? idk
Right now it's like:
A: Let's eliminate B or C
B: No. Let's do E
C: (@A) why do you SR B?
A: (@C) why do you TR them?
D: "it looks like" E is LHF, Let's shred someone else
E: B is Scum
F: I can do anyone NOT listed above
And then if you ISO any of them you'd find they've voted at least half of the roster already, changed their minds a couple of times, and have no explanation for their reads other than "gut"
THIS game state confuses me and demotivates me. or should I say confuses me andthusdemotivates me, and in a Large that's almost unsalvageable. (Is that a word?)
Even when I did eventually decide to make a stance and declare intent on Ice to force a claim; someone unvoted!!
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In post 4260, Grendel wrote: you see town motivations in lavender? Where
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHIn post 4261, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:you see scum motivations in lavender?
I rest my case!
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I can confirm this to be trueIn post 4265, Grendel wrote:Shes really like this every game? :/
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Would have been funnier if you said it was before any of them was old enough to drink.In post 4279, Doctor Drew wrote:I have been playing drunk before any of you even played a game of mafia.
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It is, considering you have 2 hands.In post 4282, Lavender wrote:A handful probably of people I’ve played with?
Drew
A50
DGB
Pooky
Iecrint
BJay
Galron
chk
pkop
Gamma...
Uhhh
Eheh this isn’t a handful~ ☆〜(ゝ。∂)
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In post 4332, a2rudeboy wrote:At this point, Scum DGB (Iec, Grendel) is more useful than Town Lav/NPOM
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Dude!In post 4385, Iecerint wrote:1. Do you think DGB and me is town v town?
2A. If so, explain why you think DGB and me are town. Give exactly 1 preferred shred candidate.
2B. If not, who of DGB/Iec do you think is more likely scum?
1-I don't know. If I had an opinion on this I would have declared it loud and clear. I can confidently say it's not SvS though.
2A. DGB explained something to me (that not all her SRs are actually SRs, and that some were sarcasm/angry ma,e calling rather than actual reads). As for you, I -generally- have no read either way, but the Town-lean I have is due to this being awful play if you are Scum, and I think you are a better player than that. (So both of you are Town LEANS, but not Town READS)
2B. dave said it best. IF there's manipulation going on it would be more likely from DGB. I don't think that's the case though. It more like "a theory that IF such manipulation does exist.."
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Can we please NOT end the day before I can catch up and post something? THANK YOU.In post 4838, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:should it be nine to shred boss or did somebody lower the voting needs?
Just a number hiccup, its fixed.
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OK, catching up. But first things first: I have given up on making any impression on this game. It looks like we're doing good and I have no qualms about that. I just can't form any solid reads myself, and I can;r -for the life of me- make any sense of the NKs either.
Iirc, we have FOUR claimed PRs. Someone correct me if Im wrong, but PK claimed having a night action. DGB explcitly claimed Inventor. Bambi had some bizarre role that even he doesn't know what it does exactly, and Galron also hinted/claimed having a night action.
Now if I'm not totally imagining stuff; why the freak so scum go and kill outside this pool at all?
Now let me see what has been posted today.
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Erm. What??In post 4877, Gamma Emerald wrote:I just came on site after not being on for like a day to see BEF flipped my flavor and I was given a new flavor?????
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Why do I get the feeling I'm in one of those Korina setups? Only this one doesn't have a CULT, I don't think.
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I am VERY low on confidence, but I think DGB was notified of a visiting action on her and Lav claimed to have visited her last night, so that's what makes lav confirmed to DGB.In post 4892, davesaz wrote:
If you're locktowning someone for not using an ability, you don't know how mafia works.In post 4880, DrippingGoofball wrote:.....and Lavender is LOCKTOWN just like that.
If it's for another reason then I'll reserve judgment till I see what your actual role is.
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OIC. So I was NOT visited by anyone then.
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In post 4930, Galron wrote:
What do you mean?In post 4928, Almost50 wrote:OIC. So I was NOT visited by anyone then.In post 4926, DrippingGoofball wrote:I believe Bambi Jay's power was that everyone who was visited found out about it.
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Reincarnation I see that was.
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Oh, it come to that now, did it?
Day-do something to someone
There you go.
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I probably wouldn't use the Instakill because I am not confident in my reads and I don't want to incidentally shoot a townie.In post 4910, DrippingGoofball wrote:Let me ask everyone this:
If you were given one of these powers (let me narrow it down by one), why wouldn't you use it ASAP?
1. 1-Shot Bulletproof
2. 1-Shot Cop Ability
3. 1-Shot Instakill (Unblockable kill that can happen at any time)
4. 1-Shot Roleblock
5. 1-Shot Sensor (Learn how many Mafia were on a successful wagon)
Ex: EVERYONE AND HEIR MOTHER wanted Lav dead. Now she turns out top be a PR that you personally say is confirmed a townie.
Same thing applies to Rb to a lesser extent.
The other two I guess I would have used immediately.
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Where did you get WEAK from??In post 4970, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:It's fairly obvious from this sequence of events that DGB is actually a weak amnesiac serial killer who murdered starbuck on N3.
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Rereading the day posts I suspect I know what this means. I kinda missed the implication the first time, but I maybe mistaking so I need confirmation.In post 4860, Galron wrote:
I heard that.In post 4852, Almost50 wrote:
Can we please NOT end the day before I can catch up and post something? THANK YOU.In post 4838, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:should it be nine to shred boss or did somebody lower the voting needs?
Just a number hiccup, its fixed.
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Oh, THAT "weak". I thought the joke was about her having the Weak modifier, as in "she dies if she targets scum".In post 4972, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:because she only killed once so far this game
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OK. Thanks.
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?? He's DEAD. Don't tell me you can raise the dead.
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Err.. I guess it's the fact I haven't been voting much?
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Not I. I was NOT notified of being visited all game. I received no gifts or messages from anyone all game.
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Sounds more anti-town than a Town-Vig!
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On this site you don't get notified you were RB'd either wayIn post 5074, Grendel wrote:If a player was Role blocked at night, but didnt have an action to use, would they still get a "you were role blocked" message?
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Personally, I don't believe Galron is scum here. He may have misplayed the role (I agree with davesaz on the optimal usage of such a role, but only if it is indeed that role from MU and not something The Baker pulled out of his ear/rear and named it that), but -generally speaking- I wouldn't be claiming that if I was scum with that role.
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I thought it was clear, but I did.In post 5128, Galron wrote:
I'll let the targeter make that known. If the targeter doesn't step forward and I'm close to death, the targeter is scum. Simple.In post 5122, DrippingGoofball wrote:Galron is still not saying who targeted him.
In post 4973, Almost50 wrote:
Rereading the day posts I suspect I know what this means. I kinda missed the implication the first time, but I maybe mistaking so I need confirmation.In post 4860, Galron wrote:
I heard that.In post 4852, Almost50 wrote:
Can we please NOT end the day before I can catch up and post something? THANK YOU.In post 4838, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:should it be nine to shred boss or did somebody lower the voting needs?
Just a number hiccup, its fixed.
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He's saying it's the wiki role. A Jailkeeper+Rolestopper combined.In post 5135, NoPowerOverMe wrote:Non sensical for there to be an alien in this game
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Because it's not. The JK only protects the jailed player from the NK. The Alien makes them untargetable. RB+Doc vs RB+RolestopIn post 5144, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
lolol why didnt you just say jailkeeperIn post 5130, Galron wrote:Nah. It's a role. You know that you sneaky bear.
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He literally did?In post 5145, DrippingGoofball wrote:I wish the explanation came from Galron. Why can't he say that himself?
Maybe you missed the fact he linked it??In post 5130, Galron wrote:
Nah. It's a role. You know that you sneaky bear.In post 5127, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:hes claiming 3P
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Oh, YES. But only after we get one or two more red flip first. DGB is always mean to 3P, so she shouldn't be allowed to win as one.In post 5161, Galron wrote:If DGB is 3P do you think we should yeet her?
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No, I don't. But that doesn't mean I don't know how it works on some other sites.In post 5165, Gamma Emerald wrote:
You play on Starmen.net without me noticing?In post 5098, Almost50 wrote:
On this site you don't get notified you were RB'd either wayIn post 5074, Grendel wrote:If a player was Role blocked at night, but didnt have an action to use, would they still get a "you were role blocked" message?
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Show me why:In post 5258, NoPowerOverMe wrote:Barring night action results death or rude would be the obvious choices for today I would think.
In post 1717, The Baker wrote:In post 2845, The Baker wrote:In post 4569, The Baker wrote:In post 4834, The Baker wrote:
Note: Boy, do I look awful up there!In post 5243, The Baker wrote:
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I say they ARE congruent because -unlike circles & ellipses- they DO have sides to start with.In post 5308, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I can help.
Squares are not congruent to triangles because they do not have the same number of sides.
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You bloody hammered the one that did. The one that had proof of my role (but not my alignment)In post 5326, Grendel wrote:Is anybody town reading A50?
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I can't argue against something I don't comprehend, so.. could you please explain what the "abortive Galron wagon" means or refers to?In post 5334, TiphaineDeath wrote:I am also not particularly opposed to lynching A50 as he was the third alive one on the abortive Galron wagon (A50, Dave, Grendel), but out of the three I think dave (WHO WAS LEIA WHO WAS SCUMMY AF) is most likely to be the evil one there.
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THIS GAME was the main reason why I was putting this on the back burner. It was MUCH more fun and had much faster pace, and there were too many "moving part" (I was a Mason, so talking to 2 slots in private, and I got neighborized on N1, so had 3 more to talk to in addition to a 4th that was added on N2), aside from the main thread.In post 5392, davesaz wrote:I have completely lost confidence in A50 town. By this time in the game he has usually pushed something or gotten irate about something.
If he has picked up on the reason for my early game TRs it is easy to fake as scum. If that reason is why most people TR him early game, even more reason to learn how to fake it.
I think I can pay more attention to this game now, although it still is BORING (mainly because nobody's bringing anything new to the table and there isn't nearly as much activity)
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So, maybe I wasn't paying much attention before, and I think it'd be damn too hard for me to reread 200+ pages, so I decided to read from where I am, and mix that with some logic (at least it's logic from MY PoV).
- Gamma: Very likely Town. Proof: I am still alive
- Pooky: Who the hell knows with this guy. He's "good company" regardless, but I can't read him for shit
- Lav: Town: Reason: Inexplicable visit claim to FGB which instantly made the latter conf!Town her. I'll go with that.
- Bambi: Again, who the hell knows? His win con could literally be "Love long enough to have used up all your abilities and you leave the game a winner"
- TD: Nothing so far. I remember having TR's him earlier, but I don't remember why. Currently NULL
- Grendel: I remember he made a string entrance to the game that doesn't come from Scum IMHO. Ton Lean
- NPOM: The Towniest Townie that has ever Towned in this game. This "untidy" thought process combined with such loudness and a touch of "not caring how it looks on me" NEVER comes from Scum. Lacking conviction and flip/flopping is also more likely a Town trait, because there simply doesn't seem to be any agenda or pre-planned objective behind it.
- A50: That guys is scummy to me. He barely beats Lavender activity-wise.
- pisskop: Overall, that's a townie slot. Don't ask for specifics because with PK everything can be interpreted either way. It's probably WHEN he says/does things that matter, so it's more of a matter of conception rather than solid reasoning
- Drew: Believe it or not I can't make up my mind about this one. He sometimes comes across as pretty townie and other times comes across as vaguely scummy.
- rude: I don't remember why exactly I town!binned this guy, but it has been a steady read all over and I never had him below a Town Lean, so not gonna go for his elimination any time soon. (Gun-to-head he's my 2nd strongest TR after NPOM)
- dave: He's been town!binned just because it's easier that way. With dave I do NOT look for "town tells"m but rather for "SCUM tells" and he hasn't shown any (unless I missed it while skimming)
Som you see my dilemma is still that I have nothing solid to push anyone in particular, and way too few SRs than O probably should have.
I probably should do some ISOing next, although I suck at it (reading posts out of context and natural sequence is often misleading to me), but I shall try anyhow.
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Btw, I probably shouldn't count this game towards my stats either way because I really didn't actually play in it. Maybe I can change that and consequently convince myself I did something on D6?? Remains to be seen
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Sure. How about we cross-vote and have a fight (and I mean the "you, no you" kind of fight that leads to nowhere)?In post 5431, Grendel wrote:Well... why not be that ray of light who'll jump start thread activity?
Im sure you could if you pushed yourself.
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Juicy! Did anyone flip from that band yet?In post 5445, a2rudeboy wrote:Ok. Here we go.
Fuck it.
I am Josh Bowen from Periphery. I am a Big Brain VT. The big brain means i know the other two guitarists of Periphery are role flavour in the game. They are not my alignment.
P-edit: I guess not. So a massclaim of flavour should do the trick. Yes?
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That's not how I interpreted it, although I can see that as a valid interpretation from your PoV.In post 5461, TiphaineDeath wrote:Holdup, did rude just say that he has role info that NPOM is scum and hasn't been voting him? What? I am so lost :/
What I got is "3 guitarists of the same band are in-play, and they're not ALL aligned", so it's a 50-50? It could also be that rude thinks one of them could be scum and the other is 3P (i.e. NONE of them is aligned with the other 2).
Yeah, I would appreciate an explanation from rude there, although I am inclined to think he has "more info than he is telling us" based on his D1/D2 behaviour towards NPOM. This is also where I thought rude was hinting NPOM might be 3P (and precisely a Jester, iirc).
But anyway, NPOM already said his flavour is NOT the same as rude's, so that is now mute.
Disclaimer: I am responding from memory, so I can't guarantee everything I said was 100% spot on. Better be checking facts if you intend to use any or all of what I said as basis to make a case one way or another.
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Spicy! So, who would be the Eliminator of the two?In post 5506, davesaz wrote:Remembering that Boon is the reviewer / backup mod is important here. The set could be the boon-esque role that's like an eliminator, the corresponding target/survivor role, and town.
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That would be the Eliminator, because we are guaranteed they leave after they get their target eliminated.In post 5517, davesaz wrote:For my part I tend toward helping the 3p who helps town the most. Hint hint.
And if I had to guess then rude should be the TARGET, because he was the one openly hunting for the other(s) relatively too early in that situation. I mean, the Eliminator is the hunter that is supposed to be more patient and the "hunted" is the one that gets nervous. Then again I am talking about how I would feel and not necessarily how others do.
In terms of "reads" I already said I TR's both slots, but rude a bit more, and with my TOP TR (NPOM) siding by rude I think I would vote Grendel if it came down to that.
HOWEVER, I think NPOM may have a point is waiting for more info. I thus am not officially taking sides yet, but I am leaning Grendel here.
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In post 5555, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
I am Anubis, God of Death, I am here to collect your souls
Every day I collect the soul of a dead player - adding them into my personal neighborhood. When I have gathered enough dead slaves I will raise them from the dead and murder you all.
My name is Luka, I live on the second floor
I live upstairs from you. Yes I think you've seen me before.
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Ohm we ARE claiming! OK
I am Cameron Richardson, the guitarist and main songwriter for Transfiguration, and a part of this game's uninformed majority. I am also an extremely well trained violinist, you bring a classical music outlook to progressive death metal.
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*I bring
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