Epilogue! - [Endgame]

[DrippingGoofball]

Gentlemen

Dibs on Lady Firebringer

[DrippingGoofball]

Do it firebringer, think of the chaos

Let’s see if we can get everyone paired off in under 10 pages

So far it’s

Me-ydra
Hectic-isis
Oka-fb
Pooky-taylor

What am I, chopped liver?

[DrippingGoofball]

Will you dance with me, Firebringer?

I always read you as town.

[DrippingGoofball]

Will you dance with me, Firebringer?

I always read you as town.

thx dgb but im prolly gonna dance with oka. we been playing this dance game together a few times.

also r u really townreading me right now?

This rejection hurts deep.

[DrippingGoofball]

Will you dance with me Doctor Drew

[DrippingGoofball]

Will you dance with me Doctor Drew

Screw you Hectic, I can't be your side piece!

DGB, I accept

TOGETHER FOREVER

[DrippingGoofball]

I don't and never will townread DGB/DD to an extent where I'd feel comfortable with them making it to the last 4 pairs, and will be pushing them at the start of dance

Open your heart, you may be pleasantly surprised.

[DrippingGoofball]

There's so much spam to sort through, that's this business about a suicider?

[DrippingGoofball]

certain types of people are more likely to leave on a whim you know, or suicidal type players

That's usually me. I vow to resist temptation.

[DrippingGoofball]

i read the thread and feel reasonably confident to give my GTH reads on the playerlist:

DrippingGoofball - tone + early proposal is townpinging.
deleuzional - proposing in FIRST POST is a whole new level of townness than early proposal. it's a move that I think scum never make here.
Hectic - I still stand by my TR here so far, liked the poking at me.
MariaR - 308 feels lamist in a "why am I not being TR'd" way which is scummy. rest of the posts feel quite overeager in pairing up. scumlean atm.
Dunnstral - lots of mechspeak, which is easy towncred for scum. i feel like interactions with me were genuine and they even admitted that i might SR them though? torn on this slot.
Bell - I'm townreading this due to inquisitiveness. Bell has quite obvious differences in their town/scum play and I'm confident in my ability to sort here.
beeboy - not posted
OkaPoka - heavy pushing of "policy clowners + suiciders" feels like fakesolving moreso than hunting scum
PookyTheMagicalBear - I'm giving this a /pass on tone. pooky is a player that is tonally different as scum
Isis - IC
Tayl0r Swift - town by virtue of bluntness and feels more lighthearted while as scum taylor'd be more uptight/efforty
Akarin - im terrible at mech so not sure how accepting the dance invite = scum? otherwise really null
The Bulge - completely cant get my head around early posting, null.
Ydrasse - before the end of day 1 there's usually a point in town!ydrasse's posting where it becomes transparent that she's town. I think she's hit the mark for me.
shellyc - look at me im so town
Firebringer - blunt and direct, townlean but weak
Doctor Drew - early acceptance i'd say it +town, tonally like this slot as well

Too many townreads

Dunnstral is scum; too many townreads is a town tell. He is gaslighting us into calling it a scum tell.

Shelly is town.

[DrippingGoofball]

I guess he just gets lumped in there by virtue of being with DGB

LOL what?

[DrippingGoofball]

You're kinda scummy DGB

How? I've hardly posted in this fluffed up spamfest.

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like, I proposed a dance to ydrasse because I really wanted to dance with ydrasse and I knew that before the game started

I knew I wanted to dance with Firebringer as soon as I saw his name among the ladies, because I like him. I like Dr Drew too.

Therefore, you and I both did the exact same thing - zoned in on players we knew and get along with.

However you invented nefarious motives for me doing the same thing you did, and placed me at the very bottom of your reads list for it.

Based on your own moonlogik, should I throw you in my scumpile yes/no?

[DrippingGoofball]

i think dgb is town idk about drew tho.

I'll find out soon enough.

[DrippingGoofball]

Firebringer is mislynch bait, but he is easy to read. He has a child-like enthusiasm for the game that is transparently town.

my favorite post dgb said about me

Aw shucks

Then I realized I

always

read you as town <3

[DrippingGoofball]

dgb and drew just kinda... picked randomly?

How would you know the operation of my mind when I was inspired to propose my company for the next jig?

[DrippingGoofball]

This game is 82% futile flirting and 18% mafia.

[DrippingGoofball]

i just realized my dance partner scum reads me. how tragic.

You should have accepted my invitation!

[DrippingGoofball]

So Fire...... what are your reads?

ill give reads out when u explain ur scumread on me

Dunnstral is scum.

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So Fire...... what are your reads?

ill give reads out when u explain ur scumread on me

You don't really look like town to me, even though you're constantly posting. Your dance acceptance was scummy and you are always gone when it's important.

Also I thought the thing with Maria was Scum/Scum but I've dropped that theory

That's such a rubbish take.

[DrippingGoofball]

uhhh dgb anything else to add lol

Did I mention Dunnstral is scum?

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sell me on dgb town because that's a hot take.

Scumreading me is the actual hot take, probably comes from scum, so have a seat.

The "case" on me is that I picked a partner early and didn't spam the thread with nonsense - the whole "dgb-scum" hysteria is mindless, cult-like mobbing.

[DrippingGoofball]

Dunnstral is scum

Deleuzional is scum

I have some misgivings with shelly

[DrippingGoofball]

I’m feeling very bummed out by the pooky flip tbh

I know it isn’t

actually

a grievous personal failing to misread someone as town when they’re scum and yet it always kind of feels that way

No scum

You've got the sads because you have lost a charismatic, cunning and valuable scumpal.

[DrippingGoofball]

Could you pls lose faith in all your reads immediately since they're the opposite of mine but you've done townie stuff


Pls

Reconsider.

[DrippingGoofball]

Dunnstral has done some things that are scummy for most people and probably not scummy for him. Including something I already scumread him for lol

Trust your instincts.

[DrippingGoofball]

I really didn't like the "I always townread you post" but lots of DGB's later play seems a bit more townish to me. Drew seems very scummy though, unfortunately

he is lurking, much to my disappointment.

[DrippingGoofball]

I’m feeling very bummed out by the pooky flip tbh

I know it isn’t

actually

a grievous personal failing to misread someone as town when they’re scum and yet it always kind of feels that way

No scum

You've got the sads because you have lost a charismatic, cunning and valuable scumpal.

No, actually, I find it rough when I misread scum as town

sure, scum.

[DrippingGoofball]

Do you enjoy being bad, DGB, or is it an unfortunate recent turn that your play has taken?

so you know I'm town, what a surprise.

[DrippingGoofball]

I can't defend Drew at this point, he hasn't said a word in game or in the PT.

[DrippingGoofball]

I want to hear from some people beside leuz and Akarin about it too

Leuz is scum, take that into consideration.

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Besides which, my point actually holds regardless of your alignment:

If you’re town, you’re bad at reading

If you’re scum, you’re bad at not getting yeeted

I am town and good at reading.

[DrippingGoofball]

[quote="In [url=viewtopic.php?p=12332103#p12332103]post 1623[/url], Akarin"][quote="In [url=viewtopic.php?p=12332060#p12332060]post 1620[/url], Isis"]I'd like for people to engage about 1580 pls

DGB doesn't have to given her unfortunate position[/quote]
I thought that was the whole reason anyone was actually scumreading Drew, other than Deleuze.[/quote]

There are no reasons to vote my pair.

From the moment we joined up early in the game we were called filthy scum and all the sheep mindlessly bad bah'd.

[DrippingGoofball]

DGB, what's the case on Deleuze?

And do you still stand by the gaslighting thing?

I am not super motivated to spend time casing because:

1. Right this moment I am on mobile LOL
2. Drew has given me zero reasons to townread him, which is super disappointing so if I am yeeted along with him, shrug
3. I feel like I've been mindlessly called scum since my first post and therefore my reads aren't valued

[DrippingGoofball]

I wasn't bah-bahing until the thing I asked about that everyone pointedly ignored. That really pinged me but I wondered if it might be a personality thing.

The lack of response further pings me.

The Drew signup lie thing isn't as open-and-shut to me as I think it is to some people, but it

is

something that kind of bugs me. And Pooky being the one pointing it out doesn't help.

What Drew sign up lie?

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This:

My last two games on site I have played with her.

did you hit it off to the extent that you would expect her to be this enthusiastic about dancing with you right from the get-go?

I chose the last lady spot because I felt one of DGB/Hectic/Pooky would ask me for a dance. There is more to it, but involves ongoing so I will stop there

I chose the last lady spot because I felt one of DGB/Hectic/Pooky would ask me for a dance. There is more to it, but involves ongoing so I will stop there

didn't you sign up before me

PookyTheMagicalBear, who was aligned with

Mafia

, has

left

in

pre-dance

.

Why would that make Drew scum rather than misremembering?

[DrippingGoofball]

“Explaining the core of your scumread takes seconds, fabricating a good fake case takes an eternity.” — Gilles Deleuze

It's not like anyone has a case on me.

I like to be at my desktop to make cases. It's too annoying on mobile and half the time I lose my post.

[DrippingGoofball]

I’m feeling very bummed out by the pooky flip tbh

I know it isn’t

actually

a grievous personal failing to misread someone as town when they’re scum and yet it always kind of feels that way

No scum

You've got the sads because you have lost a charismatic, cunning and valuable scumpal.

That's the problem when you start a game and everyone calls you scum immediately and never lets up. No one paid attention to the above. I am terrible at strategy but the one thing I am good at, is reading people's emotions.

It's hard to explain what I felt when I read leuz's posts above, but I'll try (I am on desktop now).

Usually when a player flips scum, we just move on. Tayl0r was proud to have outmaneuvered Pooky, she expressed that, but even that kind of reaction is rare. The flip happens and usually the reaction, when there is one, is to be invigorated and rush to find associatives.

We have not one, but two posts of Deleuzional expressing sadness at Pooky's departure.

The first post has a "tbh" "to be honest" which often stands as an awkward cover up of deception, a wee bit like when people start a sentence "I am not racist but here's a racist statement" - we have "to be honest, here comes a lie." That's a small point.

More importantly, I can sense that there is genuine feeling behind the post in the emphatic "very bummed out" and I'm thinking, what townie would be "very bummed out?" I'd feel like an idiot defending scum, but bummed out smells more like a scum perspective. That's how a scum would feel losing their team mate Pooky, not like town would feel misreading an adversary. Misreading an adversary happens all the time in this game, we don't get hung up over it.

Consciously or unconsciously, he must have had some nervous regret that this post gave away his true feelings so he felt the need to swing back in the opposite direction of being "bummed out losing a team mate" all the way to a "grievous personal failing" for misreading Pooky, as if saying that would somehow whitewash his first, overly revealing post.

Not "good job Tayl0r," not "great let's dig out more info," not "damnation, Pooky always fools me LOL"

No.

VERY BUMMED OUT

[DrippingGoofball]

I never asked DGB to back up her read (cause, like, DGB is a shoot from the hip player and it seems kind of silly and futile?)

All my reads can be backed up. When people ask, I always have detailed answers.

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DGB that’s a great case and all only it doesn’t answer the question of why I bother commenting at all if I’m scum

Other than saying that, I think I can dismiss everything else with “you’re projecting like crazy what you think I should feel based on how you think you’d feel about losing a scum teammate vs losing an adversary” but you having that reaction doesn’t mean there’s any reason why I should have the same one

It was spontaneous.

Not everything is galaxy brain strategy.

"Projection" is how we read people's emotions. All the time, no exceptions.

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At the time of DGB's post, Dunn had already said he was townreading Shelly. I didn't cut anything out of the Dunn post, he just said "too many town reads."

DGB also keeps not wanting to comment on if she still agrees with her previous thought.

I didn't get to it.

I missed that Dunn was townreading shelly.

"Too many town reads" is two things. First, it's a huge town tell, what scum in their right mind is working to restrict their credible voting options? Two, scum hates townies town reading each other, what better way to neutralize this inconvenience by proclaiming "a lot of town tells is a scum tell"?

[DrippingGoofball]

VOTE: DrippingGoofball - Doctor Drew

As promsied

Dunnstral is one of of the many people that are on board with calling me scum for no reasons, and I hold it against him.

[DrippingGoofball]

there's not even a counterwagon to this wagon that was pre-ordained on page 2

look at yourselves

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"Too many town reads" is two things. First, it's a huge town tell, what scum in their right mind is working to restrict their credible voting options? Two, scum hates townies town reading each other, what better way to neutralize this inconvenience by proclaiming "a lot of town tells is a scum tell"?

Yes except Dunn didn't say that.

I think it's a valid reason to townread Shelly.

None of this post has anything to do with what I've been repeatedly asking.

The question is:

is this still part of the reason you think Dunn is scum?

maybe i misunderstood

but there a 15 lb cat blobking my keyboard right now

[DrippingGoofball]

That’s a really dumb reason and basically relies on me not having any idea what I’m doing as scum?

And also... no, it’s not? Mostly we understand through listening to what people tell us and trying to empathise. Empathy (listening to the experience the person is telling you about and how it affected them) and connecting that back to your own feelings to understand them is totally different to your “hurr durr, town would feel happy that scum is dead!” projection of how I should have felt about pooky, and your total lack of knowledge of who I am or how I react to things is further undermining your ability to read my emotions

The stuff like “tbh” and etc is just picking at details, and it sounds pretty but it’s not actually a tell for anyone

Empathy is the end point of projection.

I did specify that "tbh" was just a detail. You are misleading by making it sound like it was the core of my argument.

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That’s a really dumb reason and basically relies on me not having any idea what I’m doing as scum?

Most scum just trash about and post stochastically - not all that different from townies.

But I am wasting my time trying to convince scum that they are scum.

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there's not even a counterwagon to this wagon that was pre-ordained on page 2

look at yourselves

I am scum and I started the expected scum counterwagon on deleuz I will not stand for you to ignore me like this.

LOL

VOTE: deleuzional

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I’m not sure if DGB is scum or not but I do think she’s playing to an outdated understanding of the game and to an outdated meta

And I think her scumread on me is mostly her inability to accurately read people who play the way I do because of that outdated meta and understanding of the game

Who is the scum on my wagon?

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dgb why are you so confident drew is town? because as i see it youre defending yourself/being aggressive, but most people suspect drew and youre pseudo-defending him without really mentioning him

I am absolutely not confident that Drew is town.

I am however confident that I can read him if he post more goddam content.

[DrippingGoofball]

(1) You've got to give me a chance to read the DD slot.
(2) You need to examine other players because so far it's been mostly "let's mindlessly auto-lynch the DGB/DD slot" and you're missing information.
(3) I know I am town but if DD is scum, you can bet your sweet bippy that I'll be voting my own pair if I have to.

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I’m not sure if DGB is scum or not but I do think she’s playing to an outdated understanding of the game and to an outdated meta

And I think her scumread on me is mostly her inability to accurately read people who play the way I do because of that outdated meta and understanding of the game

Who is the scum on my wagon?

Take your pick of hectic/shelly/beeboy

Assuming that drew is town, if he’s scum then things are more complicated

Why these three?

What if DD is in fact scum?

[DrippingGoofball]

I’m not sure if DGB is scum or not but I do think she’s playing to an outdated understanding of the game and to an outdated meta

And I think her scumread on me is mostly her inability to accurately read people who play the way I do because of that outdated meta and understanding of the game

melanque secret alting is such a shameful way to get to stop using the cute anime avatar panzer worked so hard to pick out for you

SHOTS FIRED

[DrippingGoofball]

I think the way she’s trying to read into my comments on pooky’s getting left behind is an example of trying to apply the old way and it just churning up bad results because I don’t play the way she thinks town should play. I’m kind of used to it, and honestly I’m sort of townleaning her for it at this point

LOL

It's never been a site-wide way of playing in any era, it's how I roll.

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do you think that dbg’s frustration in posts like 1633 could be something like, caught for the wrong reasons/early on sort of thing? and then also frustration that people aren’t really like, being swayed too much away from that

I reiterate, all I want is a chance to read DD. Give me 48 hours.

I despair of DD's continued silence, though.

[DrippingGoofball]

If we decide to yeet my slot I would appreciate an opportunity to leave you with final reads.

[DrippingGoofball]

Meanwhile, Dunnstral is still scum.

[DrippingGoofball]

VOTE: Dunnstral is who I am voting.

[DrippingGoofball]

I really thought I was pretty townie

I would have read you as town, I always do!

[DrippingGoofball]

Gg town

[DrippingGoofball]

I really thought I was pretty townie

I would have read you as town, I always do!

I apologized for my part in ur death!

I read that :hottears: