What keeps skilled scum from being intentionally but balanced inconsistent to maintain the appearance of town?In post 1179, DrippingGoofball wrote:Consistency is a scumtell.
Inconsistency is not.
How many scum PTs have you read where scum neurotically wring their hands about how ,they fear looking inconsistent?
Townies have no such fears. They can't worry about looking inconsistent because it's in service of yeeting scum.
This response doesn't make sense Titus as it seems you are just buffing Goofball's pointIn post 1184, Titus wrote:Show me a PT where scum fear looking inconsistent. Inconsistencies are how scum and their partners are caught.In post 1179, DrippingGoofball wrote:Consistency is a scumtell.
Inconsistency is not.
How many scum PTs have you read where scum neurotically wring their hands about how ,they fear looking inconsistent?
Townies have no such fears. They can't worry about looking inconsistent because it's in service of yeeting scum.
Can you share a reads list or a solve or some sort of indication of what youre leaning on this playerlist?In post 1198, Noraa wrote:1+ monthsIn post 1194, Glitch wrote:Noraa what is your mafia experience? How many games and how long have you played?
3 finished games
This way incorrect. When I read 1181 I thought it was Marashus post but it was actually Nosferatus. Revise 1196 to say Nosferatu + TS instead of Marashu + TS
Why is TS locktown to you?In post 1202, Noraa wrote:Taylor is my lock town rn and imma sheep her reads for now
You can't point to a place where you offered yourself up for pocketing, you're saying that you were just offered up in general by your existence in this thread?In post 1207, Noraa wrote:when I basically offered myself up for pocketing
I like that we are on the same track. Just please don't misrep my leans as hard lockreads. Especially with me just replacing in and not reading up a ton, my leans are all soft and fluid at this time. They'll firm up as we progress.In post 1218, Pickaxe Pete wrote:You want to vote within {Nosferatu, DGB} because you believe there needs to be 1 scum there.In post 1200, Glitch wrote:Do we have reason to believe that the 3 people we were forced to choose from for yesterday's elimination were all 3 town? I would be surprised if this setup forces our hand like that meaning, I expect there to be 1 scum in Nosferatu vs Goofball. I get town vibes off Goofball but haven't read anything of Nos yet.
Based on VCA FOS is on Pickaxe Pete for a constantly underwhelming vote always placed on an easy high vote wagon including prior to replacement.
Kind of like this?In post 1145, Pickaxe Pete wrote:Shelly sent to Trial 1, Battle Mage vanishes, First Gladiate
We vote within the First Gladiate, and Plusjoy is set to Trial 2, viwyrn vanishes
I guess now we're voting to see who gets sent to Trial 3, and there will be a Second Gladiate?
Who chooses which players go into the Gladiate? Was there any scum in the First Gladiate?
It seems to me that there would be scum in the First Gladiate, and the we would be smart to look at Nosferatu and DGB.
And I'm voting within your stated parameters for the same reason you are, and I'm scum? Is that right?
No but could I interest you in helping me form one? Your vote is within our 2 suspected scum players based on the 3 player gladiator pool. Would you consider switching your vote to Nosferatu?In post 1217, Pickaxe Pete wrote:You think I'm wagon voting right now?In post 1200, Glitch wrote:Do we have reason to believe that the 3 people we were forced to choose from for yesterday's elimination were all 3 town? I would be surprised if this setup forces our hand like that meaning, I expect there to be 1 scum in Nosferatu vs Goofball. I get town vibes off Goofball but haven't read anything of Nos yet.
Based on VCA FOS is on Pickaxe Pete for a constantly underwhelming vote always placed on an easy high vote wagon including prior to replacement.
Trusting your word on a Nora alignment hinges on my read of you and I'm SO BAD at reading you as a player. Especially after our super tiny umlaut micro I'm just off my game with sorting you. I should play more games with you so I can figure you out more haha.In post 1224, Tayl0r Swift wrote:to be fair noraa and i have been in a majority of each others games at this point i think. i cant speak for her read of me, but i feel like i can sort noraa pretty well at this point.In post 1213, Glitch wrote:So there was no specific moment that this actually happened, it was just a general statement?You can't point to a place where you offered yourself up for pocketing, you're saying that you were just offered up in general by your existence in this thread?In post 1207, Noraa wrote:when I basically offered myself up for pocketing
If I took a stance on you I would be voting you right now but Literally every game I have scumread you you end up town so my unwillingness to commit to that should be a town tell more than anything. Scum me would eagerly jump on you because it's easy for me to just SR right off the bat. Im still trying to figure out why :pIn post 1241, Tayl0r Swift wrote:i dont like that youre so hesitant to take a stance on me here glitch.
In post 1181, Nosferatu wrote:i find this take strange to say the leastIn post 1160, Marashu wrote:Actually, Nos continually insisting that all 3 of them were town is interesting. Like, if either Plus or DGB flipped town (as we know Plus did), then he still distanced himself, whereas if he's scum, that would only be revealed by a flip so he wouldn't be caught in the lie. So it's almost like hedging bets.
These posts ping me as off and DGB pings me as town even though I don't agree with all his arguments. In basing this off of just since I replaced in so I'm open to your arguments on DGB but if I'm picking between the two my preference in the Nos slot right now
That's cool but my reads are not based on what everyone else is reading but based on my own observations. I've already explained that from replacing in until now my read on Taylor goes one way but I understand my read on Taylor is usually bad so I'm not acting on it at this point. Why is that weird?In post 1253, Noraa wrote:this just doesn't make any sense. Taylor is basically universally TRed or null here. Why in the world would scum jump on her? That vanity wagon would do nothing but make them look antitown :/
Are you forming your own opinions now or are you still blindsheeping Taylor?In post 1255, Noraa wrote:Scum you wouldn't jump on her. Town you wouldn't either. Jumping on her is not AI so don't use it to say ur town.
As scum I'm super non-defensive. In Mini 2149 I literally ignored the majority of accusations on me and hoped they would just go away if I could just ignore the spotlight and it worked wonderfully.In post 1256, Titus wrote: @Glitch, You feel different than last game but I can't put my finger on it. It could be because I am not trying to pocket you though. Are you usually defensive with a wagon on you?
I'm having such a hard time reading your slot and sorting between scum or just newb. And no offense meant by that. I'm a newb too lol.In post 1259, Noraa wrote:^I like the analysis. I have nothing to say since that's basically how it is. Im not too sure who to sus here and I just can't tell who is scum rn so I'm just clinging onto Taylor. I'm not pocketing. Taylor had a TR on me since before I would assume so there's not much a need to pocket.
However for this analysis, I'm adding u to the townblock.
No ideas. I received no information upon replacing in other than my role PM. Good clarification at the end or I would have thought you were PR hunting.In post 1260, Gypyx wrote:Also Glitch, you have any idea why Eddie (the slot you replaced in) has asked the entire playerlist who would they shoot if they had a gun? (I'm wondering if there is trial stuff basically)
In post 1261, Gypyx wrote:Anyways pretty sure glitch is town for the nos vote
Would organized scum who were pushing and targeting my slot before I replaced in, both jump from SR'ing me to TR'ing me back to back in the public thread? No.In post 1262, Tayl0r Swift wrote:i had really convinced myself that eddie was scum, but im definitely getting townpings from glitch here i think.
Same page as Taylor and Gypyx. I'll revise my statement. There must be at least one town, probably two town, between Taylor, Gypyx, and Pete because scum wouldn't all lay off my slot in unison like that. That would be risky and sketchy IMO.In post 1266, Pickaxe Pete wrote:Glitch, though, appears to be redeeming that slot.
Noraa can you define what you mean when you use the term "inconcsistent play?" What does that look like?In post 1274, Noraa wrote:then examine me instead of shading me by giving people towncred for slightly Fosing me. If ur gonna Fos, then Fos. Don't hide behind other people and Fos.In post 1272, Pickaxe Pete wrote:Not so much shading as pointing out suspicious activity that I hadn't caught myself. I especially like the concept of projection pocketing. Both of these posts make me want to examine you more closely.
inconsistent play is not townie. period.In post 1273, Pickaxe Pete wrote:What do you think about what DGB said about inconsistent play being townie?In post 1270, Noraa wrote:no I have not. Vecna's very inconsistent and fence sitty. Reminds me of my first scum game where I was both of those. Inconsistency can often come from a buddy whispering to you in the pt.In post 1267, Pickaxe Pete wrote:Have you ISO'd anyone other than DGB, Nos, Plusjoy and Vecna?In post 1020, Noraa wrote:I won't lie. I don't like Vecna's look this game. My scum radar pinged a lot reading that iso
You shared some thoughts on the other three when you entered, but you've been scum reading Vecna since you entered and haven't really said why other than an occasional "that's a bad look" or something. What is it about Vecna that you scum read?
Why would youIn post 1278, Tayl0r Swift wrote:this isnt noraa's scumgame. i know you arent trying to pocket me because ive experienced that and it was different. again,i dont want to reveal too much about exactly what tells gave noraa away as town.
At this point I'm just going to 100% revoke my read that there must be X number of town in the pool of people who have now changed their read on me because apparently I'm getting widely townread now by many players and that means the scum can easily slip in and hide among them as well. I don't think I can sort based on that anymore. DamnIn post 1289, Fidget wrote:Oh, Vecna. I like his progression on the Eddie wagon today, it's pretty similar to mine (Think about voting there -> But the reasons are starting to become meh so idk, and the replaceout didn't seem terrible -> Well Glitch isn't awful)
In post 1296, Noraa wrote:perfectly describes how awesome and bomb town!Taylor isIn post 1295, Titus wrote:Sorry but she still goes woah is me and cries anytime I ask why Mara shouldn't be sorted. She never gives a reason. She's now trying to accuse me of being scum to avoid the very problems she's created.In post 1293, Noraa wrote:Taylors not fake >:(
Attacking others instead of taking responsibility for or trying to correct problems is fake.
This is a blatant misrep. Titus clearly explains why being lurky is advantageous to scum in a game where you, a prestigious player here, voice opposition to voting for lurkers:In post 1311, Tayl0r Swift wrote:i mean i agree, and i wish marashu would post more. but have you done a metadive to see if being lurky is AI for marashu? i feel like your push on marashu is IIOA: youre telling us hes lurky but not why that makes him scum.
In post 1299, Titus wrote:The longer you let this continue, the longer you tell scum that efforting means getting lynched.
pingIn post 1313, Gypyx wrote:Basically, i don't think voting nosferatu makes sense as a vote for Glitch, i don't see this as a bus, and why would you try to start a brand new wagon if you were in scum!glitch's PoVIn post 1268, Pickaxe Pete wrote:Specifically asking about the glitch is town for the nos vote statement.In post 1264, Pickaxe Pete wrote:Huh?In post 1261, Gypyx wrote:So... i basically skimmed through the thread, not much of importance happened? Anyways pretty sure glitch is town for the nos vote
I honestly see Titus as town through this whole interaction and your unwillingness to consider the validity of her arguments + that misrep I quoted which I feel is clearly in bad faith makes me lean scum on your slot, TS. The failure to even mention the weirdness of Noraa worshipping you also is off. I just don't get it. Really considering moving my vote to you.In post 1342, Tayl0r Swift wrote:nos v titus there could easily be SvS. they lightly neg each other, but mostly agree and nos sheeps titus, while they are both really defending each other. and meanwhile titus is pushing one lurker slot while giving another a pass.
Who did you think were scum? If you expected to see bussing today that means you must have had a read on a scum team you expected to see bus each other today. Who are they?In post 1354, Vecna wrote:Guess I was wrong about scum going for a solid bus today.
So you believe there is at least one scum in the gladiate trio?In post 1355, Fidget wrote:If all 3 in the gladiate are town, I'd kind of expect more people (scum) to be going "Well there has to be 1 scum in there, right?" It's odd to me that it just isn't happening and instead we're not talking about the gladiate hardly at all.
This makes so much sense and makes me SR Taylor all the more as the primary voice relieving the pressure for scum to contribute.In post 1373, Titus wrote:I am old enough to have seen this pattern play out before.In post 1372, Noraa wrote:why the defeatism?
People won't see Mara avoiding the thread as scummy. They need more content. So he continues avoiding the thread, knowing he'll get defended for it. He won't be providing content anytime soon.
When "lurker" slots show up, like Eddie and Nos, they get wagoned for showing up. So why would Mara? It's anti-scum for him to show.
I highlight this pattern. I get scumread. There's been enough focus on me/nos/dgb which is the real townblock this game.
I can't carry a town that punishes effort.
You really need to stop making this argument when you openly hide behind TS.In post 1374, Noraa wrote:Ur hiding behind too many people.
I need to catch up at which point I intend to vote for you, but if that wagon won't work I would compromise on Gypyx.In post 1384, Tayl0r Swift wrote:also gypyx has stated a scumread on titus but wont actually vote there.In post 1383, Pickaxe Pete wrote:3 days to deadline and you go off on a vanity wagon Nos? That may be the first actual scummy thing I've seen you do.
In post 1393, Titus wrote:There are no PRs in this setup. Glitch just towntold. Get off of him, even if it's onto me.In post 1391, Glitch wrote:No ideas. I received no information upon replacing in other than my role PM. Good clarification at the end or I would have thought you were PR hunting.In post 1260, Gypyx wrote:Also Glitch, you have any idea why Eddie (the slot you replaced in) has asked the entire playerlist who would they shoot if they had a gun? (I'm wondering if there is trial stuff basically)
I am sick of getting sealioned.
Of course, I'm in the process of catching up right now and I'm getting close to being caught up. That's why I said I intended to do it when I catch up, and didn't vote right then and there.In post 1456, Tayl0r Swift wrote:feel free to vote me, but before you do please read and respond to my responses to you.In post 1453, Glitch wrote:I need to catch up at which point I intend to vote for you, but if that wagon won't work I would compromise on Gypyx.In post 1384, Tayl0r Swift wrote:also gypyx has stated a scumread on titus but wont actually vote there.In post 1383, Pickaxe Pete wrote:3 days to deadline and you go off on a vanity wagon Nos? That may be the first actual scummy thing I've seen you do.
Can you please clarify this? I don't understand what you're referring to when you say I "knew what you were referring to?" Sorry I know that's a confusing question I just don't understand what you're saying in this post.In post 1395, Noraa wrote:And the fact that glitch specifically said he got nothing else and knew what you were referring to is definitely concerning
I'm not trying to compete for the newb medal; you can have it if you want it so bad. I joined in 2015 and then promptly disappeared only to come back this year. I'm good at playing scum but a freaking suck at town. My last game was a large and I singlehandedly lost (to Titus) as the swing vote in lylo. I'm not that good at scum hunting but that's why I'm trying to get better and pinning people with so many questions. That doesn't mean I don't recognize newbish behavior when I see it though.In post 1404, Noraa wrote:Also with a 2015 join date you want to tell me ur as much of a noob as me. uh. ok then.
My read on Pete has swung full circle and he's a TR for me based on his posts so far. I should probably ISO him before I just locktown him for a while but I'm still catching up. I'm leaning townPete and scumTaylor at the moment.In post 1406, Titus wrote:I concur about that. Honestly, I want Taylor to be scum but I was probably wrong day 1 and Pete's likely scum.In post 1405, Glitch wrote:Same page as Taylor and Gypyx. I'll revise my statement. There must be at least one town, probably two town, between Taylor, Gypyx, and Pete because scum wouldn't all lay off my slot in unison like that. That would be risky and sketchy IMO.In post 1266, Pickaxe Pete wrote:Glitch, though, appears to be redeeming that slot.
Perhaps not but it's moreso about the public statement of redemption of the Eddie slot that everyone has been so vocal about since I replaced in. I didn't think that scum would make public statements like that but now being caught up and seeing so many people have all concurred scum could easily have slid in there somewhere.In post 1407, Gypyx wrote:Did I scumread you? I think you're mixing names thereIn post 1399, Glitch wrote:In post 1261, Gypyx wrote:Anyways pretty sure glitch is town for the nos voteWould organized scum who were pushing and targeting my slot before I replaced in, both jump from SR'ing me to TR'ing me back to back in the public thread? No.In post 1262, Tayl0r Swift wrote:i had really convinced myself that eddie was scum, but im definitely getting townpings from glitch here i think.
There is at least one town between Taylor and Gypyx.
It's important because I want to understand what point you were trying to make. I know you weren't the one who asked. You answered. You made a statement about inconsistent play and I want to know what that looks like to you.In post 1410, Noraa wrote:I wasn't the one that asked about inconsistent play. someone else asked me and I answered. why is it important?
That's fine, I really don't feel like I'm in the witness box being questioned by you. You've demonstrated your own inability here and if you don't see the scumhunting, sorting, and solving that I've clearly been doing since the moment I replaced in, I don't see the value in pointing it out especially considering the fact that you're going to death tunnel me until I die or Taylor tells you to stop. I won't change your mind, and frankly, I don't need to.In post 1410, Noraa wrote:I see zero solving from u.
I'm trying to sort between whether I'm SRing her slot, want to PL her slot, or if I'm just feeling like voting for her because I feel OMGUSy and she's ruffled my feathers just a bit. Maybe I'll vote her because of all the things put together. Let me finish out the evaluation of TS and then I'll come back around to this.In post 1412, DrippingGoofball wrote:I would get behind that before I would get on a Titus wagon.In post 1400, Glitch wrote:Noraa: I'm just gonna do what Taylor says, I'm not actually going to read anyone myself
Also Noraa: Omg Glitch is scum because he isn't reading me
Might policy lynch this tbh
Not as policy. But as scum. Noraa comes off as scum trying to mimic and seduce at once someone she knows is town.
VOTE: Noraa
Why does that matter? Shouldn't you share anyway so we can sort her? Why would talking about them be anti-town?In post 1418, Tayl0r Swift wrote:no because i dont think noraa is aware of these tells.In post 1409, Glitch wrote:Why would youIn post 1278, Tayl0r Swift wrote:this isnt noraa's scumgame. i know you arent trying to pocket me because ive experienced that and it was different. again,i dont want to reveal too much about exactly what tells gave noraa away as town.notwant to give us information from your personal experience to help us sort Noraa as town? Wouldn't it be in the best interest of the town to help us understand why Noraa is town?
What specific posts are unnatural?In post 1419, Noraa wrote:The way some people jump on me is very unnatural :/
Sorry I should have read this before posting 1477 but still I don't get why Noraa knowing her town tells is anti town. If she is town in your opinion then you have nothing to lose. If she is scum do you think she could pull off performing those tells from here on?In post 1420, Tayl0r Swift wrote:or rather yes, im sure it would be good for town right now, but i dont want noraa to know what her tells are.
Fair point that Titus wouldn't push other lurking slots. I won't defend Titus on every point. But that doesn't negate that you still misrepresented her by saying she had not explained her SR on Marashu when in fact she clearly had, whether her argument is a valid one or not.In post 1436, Tayl0r Swift wrote:titus is in favor of pushing one particular lurker today, but not all of them. titus didnt join me in pushing a different lurker earlier. titus is not explaining what makes one lurker worthy of a vote while another isnt.In post 1424, Glitch wrote:This is a blatant misrep. Titus clearly explains why being lurky is advantageous to scum in a game where you, a prestigious player here, voice opposition to voting for lurkers:In post 1311, Tayl0r Swift wrote:i mean i agree, and i wish marashu would post more. but have you done a metadive to see if being lurky is AI for marashu? i feel like your push on marashu is IIOA: youre telling us hes lurky but not why that makes him scum.In post 1299, Titus wrote:The longer you let this continue, the longer you tell scum that efforting means getting lynched.
NP I'm not the dictator here, lol. Fair response.In post 1438, Gypyx wrote:Because i think this wagon is on scum, and even if it isn't, it seems pretty conterproductive to me to build a counterwagon from scratch when you have safer options avablibleIn post 1432, Glitch wrote:pingIn post 1313, Gypyx wrote:Basically, i don't think voting nosferatu makes sense as a vote for Glitch, i don't see this as a bus, and why would you try to start a brand new wagon if you were in scum!glitch's PoVIn post 1268, Pickaxe Pete wrote:Specifically asking about the glitch is town for the nos vote statement.In post 1264, Pickaxe Pete wrote:Huh?In post 1261, Gypyx wrote:So... i basically skimmed through the thread, not much of importance happened? Anyways pretty sure glitch is town for the nos vote
1261 is so IIoA + an easy read that when clarified doesn't make that much sense. I want to see more effort from Gypyx.
Gypyx, why is it not scummy for me to start a brand new wagon? Can you give us some reads list or solve or something to help us gauge where you're at?
You mind if i make my read lists tommorow? (Like in 6-7 hours)
VOTE: Taylor SwiftIn post 1444, Tayl0r Swift wrote:im happy to consider titus' supposed argument. she just hasnt presented one.
Town losing steam, growing weary, and getting burnt out is a real thing. Scum don't do it as easily because it's part of their wincon to deceive and push through being SR'd. As scum you know you're being SR'd because you're actually scum. As town it can be really frustrating to play hard and be met with massive pushback and/or rejection. When you say, "Titus literally gives up and stops continuing," in a way that throws a little shade, I see that as a town tell that I relate to and understand. I don't get that way as scum. I push through and keep up appearances.In post 1454, Tayl0r Swift wrote:so youre saying titus literally gives up and stops continuing, and you instead say that im giving people a pass?In post 1445, Glitch wrote:This makes so much sense and makes me SR Taylor all the more as the primary voice relieving the pressure for scum to contribute.In post 1373, Titus wrote:I am old enough to have seen this pattern play out before.In post 1372, Noraa wrote:why the defeatism?
People won't see Mara avoiding the thread as scummy. They need more content. So he continues avoiding the thread, knowing he'll get defended for it. He won't be providing content anytime soon.
When "lurker" slots show up, like Eddie and Nos, they get wagoned for showing up. So why would Mara? It's anti-scum for him to show.
I highlight this pattern. I get scumread. There's been enough focus on me/nos/dgb which is the real townblock this game.
I can't carry a town that punishes effort.
my solve is {nos, titus, glitch}
What post did I stop pushing you in?In post 1460, Noraa wrote:hmm DGB clinging onto this SR on me that glitch omgused is interesting. glitch immediately accepting Taylor and fidgets terrible reasoning and not pushing me anymore is strange as well.In post 1452, DrippingGoofball wrote:Noraa is meta'ing herself and no one cares.
The scum team is {DGB, Glitch, and one other mystery person}
If you can't explain your position then you probably shouldn't be pushing it. I voted Nos with fully explained reasoning behind it and then it became an actual wagon with a few votes on it. That's not a vanity wagon. Then I just moved onto TS who already has other votes. I'm open to criticism and open to debate but I am no vanity voter in this game so far.In post 1475, Noraa wrote:Its not that ur not solving exactly. Its hard to explain. Ur solving but not with town motivation. U go around and call everyone scum and just hang onto vanity wagons and start vanity wagons. That's bothering me lots.
