Monty Python's Mafia Circus Game Over

[TheSweatpantsNinja]

Vote: Pre-game.

10 votes to lynch, guys.

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Vote imaginality.

What is your favorite color?

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If Iron Man is breadcrumbing, and giving us hints, then his role must be something that would be advantageous for the town to know about, but still must be kept partially secret. Of course, he could just be faking, but you never know. I'll reread and see what I find.

I'm finding it difficult to think of a role that would fit that profile. He could just be being silly, but its worth a bandwagon.

Unvote, vote Iron Man.

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Ironman, what, if anything, do you do as the Announcer?

Unvote, vote spyrex.

Less power role speculation please.

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SPN, how do you know he's a power role? As is we only know his name...

I don't. We shouldn't guess whether or not he's a power role, because that only helps scum.

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Also, nice faked post restriction there. Did you forget that you have 5 posts in this thread already without it? You are still also horribly failing at posting content.

Right?

Vote luigi gangster.

Other game events worth commenting on:

Bruce is probably town, it just seems too cruel to stick a scumgroup with that kind of restriction.

Of the chensi/DBE non-contributing choices, DBE is worse. Its one thing to not contribute, its another to hide lack of contribution behind calling someone else out.

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Wouldn't you agree that faking a posting restriction is scummy? For some people who really have a restriction, adding to confusion is not their fault. If the restriction is faked, they are adding to the confusion on purpose. And that's scummy.

Exactly. Besides, trying out a post restriction just after the town is in a mood to confirm them, and then backing away from it, that's really scummy.

So my vote's staying on LG for now.

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Unvote, vote DBE.

Would still like to pursue LG tomorrow. . . but yeah. That's pretty good.

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Iron, Jordan, Killa, TSN, Az, LG, Internet, christ how many lurkers do we have in this game?!

What? I posted

today.

Luigi Gangsta, if you were just having fun (being silly, if you will), then I'll accept that.

Anyway, I suppose its

feasible

that there are two Taunters, or feasible that both spyrex and darla are scum, but I think occam's razor suggests that DBE just got caught lying.

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I also wonder whether (and again this may be bad tactics so don't hesitate to tell me if this is a silly idea) rather than lynch Bruce today and then lynch Bruce tomorrow if Bruce does turn out to be telling the truth about her role, we might be able to find out more if we let them both live tonight?

Well, there's something to that. Both their night actions are potentially confirmable.

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You've confirmed my suspicions, so again, why would a French Taunter, a Holy Grail charachter, appear in a Flying Circus game?

Let me confirm that its not a Flying Circus game. Spyrex, this goes to you too. Of course, if you are a French Taunter, then you already know that.

The forcing-a-modkill gambit, regardless of its effectiveness, makes me feel dirty. I don't feel like forcing potential modkills ought to be an ethical game mechanic.

I'm down for lynching DBE, but I (morally) oppose the modkill plan.

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Yeah. . . he could also be a cult recruiter. Or any other improbable role that leads to town paranoia.

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Darla, if you/spyrex are the victim of some bastard moddery, I'm sorry, but that really does seem unlikely.

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Post, waiting for Iron Man, etc. etc.

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So in these theme games with so a vast array of characters and abilities, is it common to discuss all night actions, or play it close to the vest? What's the custom?

Player discretion, I'd say. If you have a night action you feel ought to be revealed, then reveal it.

Anyway. Iron Man's play yesterday, and no particularly interest in going after DBE leaves me feeling OK about his lynch today. I feel pretty good about spyrex, its just such a gamble to counterclaim like that, knowing it'll get a buddy lynched, for just the possibility of being semi-confirmed.

Vote Iron Man.

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I was not targeted by a bridgekeeper last night.

Chenhsi and k7 seem very similar to me, in that they are lurkers who will be of little value.

Where is Iron Man?

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Courteous or not, gurgi's already done so.

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Will everyone please chime in what they think of Spryex's bridgekeeper stuff? I'd like to hear an opinion from everyone - I think the information is important enough to warrant discussion.

I think there should be less speculation about power roles.

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When one asks for discussion shouldn't one be willing to give there own opinion first?

That's a really good point. Sort of like strappado is feeling the water to see what she should think about it.

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If strappado speaks the truth about a bridgekeeper going to SpyreX then the only possiblity is they are both town or they are both scum.

Eh? I don't see why Spyrex couldn't be scum visited by town. Or even vice versa, although an anti-town watcher doesn't seem particularly likely. And I do believe strappado's claim.

Anyway, Iron Man. An anti-town redirector does seem likely. We already know that scum have night abilities, Iron Man's play hasn't been at all pro-town, his ability isn't particularly pro-town, my vote will stay where it is for right now.

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The Bus Driver is a pro-town role who may choose to switch two players each night. Thus, any night choice performed on a switched player will affect the other player targeted by the Bus Driver. The Bus Driver's night choices are only valid for that same night.

Yeah, that's pretty much what he described, except of course, it isn't necessarily a pro-town role.

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I don't know, at some point, with all the claims and night actions thrown around, I got pretty lost. I still think Iron Man is the best lynch.

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Everyone: Dont hold your breath

Heh, yeah.

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Posts very little of actual content, if he were to participate more I might have more of a read, but this is all I have to work with.

Really? Because I feel like I've been fairly on top of this game. If you could point to all the fluff I've been posting, I'll try to change my behavior.

Anyway, while I think we have to consider the possibility that scum would lie and hope to get lucky on the bridgekeeper, Internet looks pretty good to me.

So

vote chenhsi.

I'm not entirely sure I get that much of a read of him, but the lurking and the scumtell. . . well, I want to see some content.

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I hear strappado eats babies for fun and profit.

Also, I would be pretty happy with a chenhsi lynch. I feel like he's intentionally refusing to participate in spite of repeated pressure, and I can't see a pro-town reason to do that.

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Oh ok. Well, I didn't realize TSPN has such a vendetta against lord gurgi. And I agree that is really weird. I don't think there's a basis for that.

Um, at the time,

my

LG meant Luigi Gangsta. I have no vendetta against Lord Gurgi, nor have I ever. And originally I went after Luigi because it looked like he was trying to fake a post restriction (much like DBE was caught doing).

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Explain why you went back and forth on Luigi and the two taunter principle? Those are your #7 and #8 posts so your change of heart looks like an effort to go with the rest of the flow considering what everybody had been saying since there was no definite proof luigi was faking. Only a possibility. If you are going with the flow and not giving your own opinions then you are scum. Also I know your vote didn't count here because you forgot to unvote, but this still lookslike a big flipflop.

I changed my mind on LG because joking seemed like a reasonable explanation and I didn't have anything else on him.

I changed my mind on spyrex because of the

investigative result on him.

That was fairly compelling.

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@Ninja, Well what I was exactly asking was how you began to consider there possibly being 2 taunters during the day when you voted Darla. It came off as going with the flow since Darla and I think a few others were begining to consider the idea. Basically I wanted to know why you would vote her and change your mind like that. Did you realize you weren't voting her?

No, I didn't. . . um, why wasn't I voting her? Apparently I still don't. Regarding the taunters, I definitely thought the most likely possibility was that darla was just trying to establish a fake claim. I thought the second most likely possibility was that darla and spyrex were actually scum together, but, again, the investigative result changed my mind on that.

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I just viewed all your posts in isolation, chenshi. Maybe you thought it but you definatly didn't say it.

One can only hope that there are

many

things that chenshi thinks but does not say.

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At this stage in the game, I don't think the distinction between "mafia" (EEC), and "cult" is one that we really should be worrying about. We should be searching for scumminess with this many people still alive.

And again, re: Spyrex,

there is a clearing investigative result on him.

(Which, of course, doesn't mean he couldn't have been recruited last night. . . but that's not the case Muerrto's making).

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And, TSPN - are you talking about Strap? Or did I miss an actual investigative role clearing me?

I'm talking about the bridgekeeper-whose results I trust, for the most part.

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Why? Also, why would you trust Spyrex's answers?

Well, if I trust the bridgekeeper, it follows that I would trust spyrex answers. . . what are you getting at?

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@TSPN: As for the bridgekeeper. So what you're saying isn't that you doubt the existance of the bridge keeper since it's been confirmed twice, but for some reason you take Spyrex's answers as he posted them at face value and call it an investigation confirming him? Did I get that right?

One assumes that if his answers had differed from what the bridgekeeper received, he might have said something about it.

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I agree. . . and I'm also going to go ahead and ask if anyone

really

wants chenhsi around at endgame. I don't think he's going to be high on scum kill lists anytime soon.

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[quote"farside22"] I'm hopeful that the mod will eventual replace him so we can get someone who wants to play, playing the game. [/quote]

Well, he is scummy. The question is, is he a gimbo-type scummy, where its just what he does? If so, how are going to tell whether or not he is scum?

Strappado's post says something similar.

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Remember, Chenshi is at L-2 and has not claimed. Seeing that there are multiple people who have not yet voted that are suspicious of him, I urge them to wait until he claims (or refuses to).

Certainly.

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Chenhsi, in the name of all that is holy, claim.

Please.

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Will anyone's opinion be swayed by learning yet another role anyway?

It would take a confirmable, demonstrably pro-town role for me to change my vote. But just in case that's what happens, let the man claim.

Unless, of course, he refuses to. Then lynch him.

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I, too, am a "The."

Though, tobefair, it sort of looks like darla was

a

french taunter.

Anyway, that claim isn't convincing me to change my mind.

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I do think that including a scummy person (Chenhsi) on your scum list, but never actually putting them to the top is pretty scummy. It's like distancing without having to buss them.

I agree. Especially the saying he's "scummy enough for a vote, but not enough for a hammer" line. I don't like that at all.

Vote the Internet.

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You trust his night 1 investigation but not his night 2.

That is true.

At this stage in the game, I support the massclaim.

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So did massclaim just fall by the wayside? I still think that's a good idea. I would also still prefer Internet over Azimuth.

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Maybe have the most scummy claim first ain't a bad idea should we find them cult and not need other claims.

Sure.

Let's see, my order, (not counting me), would be:

The Internet
Azimuth
Muerrto
imaginality
strappado

And, unless I'm wrong, the following already have claimed:

Pokerface
killa seven
farside22
Lord Gurgi
elvis_knits

Huh, I guess massclaim wouldn't have quite as much of an impact as I thought, on account of we're already halfway there.

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I guess I missed/forgot strappado's claim. But comments on the order/where you'd like me to be in it?

Also, its sort of interesting that imaginality expected you to have some idea what he was talking about.

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We could have azimuth claim, and then depending on the claim, decide to move from massclaim or lynch from there. That seems reasonable.

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I am still considering whether to have another shot at proving to PF I know the skill he received, but I'm thinking it may be better to wait. (Obviously if we're continuing with the massclaim I will claim, but I'm not sure where we're at with that, post-Azimuth.)

If we are going to lynch azimuth, there's no reason to continue the massclaim, the only people who will benefit are scum.

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Imaginality, as people were saying, would be the obvious choice.

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Also, regarding the muerrto and pokerface back-and-forth, I think they're probably both telling the truth. Its an odd time to come out with a fakeclaim for muerrto, and why pick something that's immediately going to draw so much scrutiny?

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I don't think that's standard, no, although I suppose that could explain luigi's death.

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Disagree. Elvis shouldn't say who she's killing, but there's no harm in us putting in our two cents. (You should kill internet).

Anyway, I think azimuth is a good choice for lynch. But, judging by the last votecount. . . imaginality just hammered? I guess we'll see.

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Which is improbable.

Are you talking about TSPN's comment just now?
FOS: TSPN
I don't want any directing there are things in this game we have no clue about.

No, there's nothing weird going on. I just checked the most recent vote count and forgot shaft.ed's 5=3 silliness. So he's still at L-2.

Unvote, vote Azimuth.

'Cept now its L-1.