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everything's a song reference. why say anything? you'll get it sung for you sooner or later.Battle Mage wrote:
why say it then?Wizardcat wrote:
There probably is. I'm not certain, either.armlx wrote:
I feel there's a song reference here I'm just not getting.Wizardcat wrote:I'm a kitty cat and I confirm, confirm, confirm.scumchat never die-
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So what do you propose, that we stand still and hope that the potatoes don't go off at all?Wizardcat wrote:Wow.
Did we really need all of the pointless posts?
Potatoes asplosions... I was thinking that they would happen mostly along the lines of something like after X posts or X tosses, personally.
'Course, we can only guess until we get actual pink mist. I get the feeling that this is going to be a very unusual game...
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Third.Crazy wrote:
Me like.armlx wrote:I suggest a voting system, where we effectively vote 2 people to be possible lynches. They then pass the potatoes between each other repeatedly until one dies. If they pass elsewhere, we simply pass all potatoes to them repeatedly till they die.scumchat never die-
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Hey, I'm not arguing that you're scummy for not following armlx's plan, I'm saying you trying to equate your potato throwing to Crazy's potato throwing is a bit off, since there's an obvious distinction between the two, namely that armlx proposed a plan in between.Battle Mage wrote:
Personally, i dislike the use of plans in games with a different mechanic. More often than not, they are either concieved by scum, or followed by scum, and dissenters (predominantly town) end up getting scapegoated. It allows scum to ride on Armlx's coat-tails, assuming he is town himself. Brings back bad memories... :'(Korts wrote:BM, the only difference between you and Crazy is that Crazy threw his potatobeforearmlx suggested his plan. There's a distinction.
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/agreeM4yhem wrote:Luigi- When I was just a newbie, back when dinosaurs ruled the earth, I was told that speculating on power roles is always bad because the reactions of people to the speculation can help the scum work out who has a power role and who doesn't.
It's true it will be hard to kill the players we want to kill in this game. There's probably a balancing mechanic but it's best not to guess at what it is.
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BM, then tell me, how is it any less random a lynch if the potatoes stay put? Assuming they are currently in the hands of valuable pro-town players, and also assuming that they obey and keep the potatoes like you imply they should, we have no chance of actually hitting scum. If, however, the potatoes are kept in motion, there is some chance that one of them actually asplodes into the face of someone we actually intend to kill.scumchat never die-
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I, my friend, have my own carBattle Mage wrote:
You, my friend, have clearly never heard of BUSSING.Rally Vincent wrote:Since we're already tossing the potatoes, we should circulate them as fast as we can on Day 1. If scum doesn't know the triggers as well, they'll avoid tossing the potatoes to their buddies. The tossing pattern of scum will be interesting, if at last one of 'em is caught in an explosion.
Just because everyone's ignoring me does not mean I... hey, wait. Hello...?Korts wrote:fake vote: Rally Vincent
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Did I say throw it aroundBattle Mage wrote:
So...you want a random kill? Are you kidding me!?Korts wrote:BM, then tell me, how is it any less random a lynch if the potatoes stay put? Assuming they are currently in the hands of valuable pro-town players, and also assuming that they obey and keep the potatoes like you imply they should, we have no chance of actually hitting scum. If, however, the potatoes are kept in motion, there is some chance that one of them actually asplodes into the face of someone we actually intend to kill.
Did you actually just say that we should pass the potatoes around, because mathematically, we MIGHT hit scum? 0.o
I'd rather see the potatoes KEPT in the hands of those protown players, until we have some idea of where we are throwing them. I dont mind keeping them moving TOWARDS PEOPLE WE ARE SUSPICIOUS OF. But srsly, it seems atm we are just throwing our spuds around for the lols.
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I hope you won't mind if I redirect any potatoes at you, thenBattle Mage wrote:
Lol, i like you. I hope you enjoy a long and happy life in this game.Korts wrote:
I, my friend, have my own carBattle Mage wrote:
You, my friend, have clearly never heard of BUSSING.Rally Vincent wrote:Since we're already tossing the potatoes, we should circulate them as fast as we can on Day 1. If scum doesn't know the triggers as well, they'll avoid tossing the potatoes to their buddies. The tossing pattern of scum will be interesting, if at last one of 'em is caught in an explosion.
Just because everyone's ignoring me does not mean I... hey, wait. Hello...?Korts wrote:fake vote: Rally Vincent
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Wow, quintuple post?
Your long post, which incidentally you posted twice, is giving me very scummy vibes. I'll be looking at it closer a bit later to see why. As of now, your reply to Skruffs is just confusing. It feels like you're caressing my brain with half a brick.
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At last. I'm not going crazy!Korts wrote:Skruffs, I don't see it how BM confirmed that the potatoes are in pro-town hands. Could you elaborate? The other things I can see, at least.
Korts, would you care to explain what the 'other things you can see' are?
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Here, Skruffs has a point. You don't answer the question at all, your reply includes opinions about John and Porochaz, but the question was about armlx. When asked again, you point at your initial reply, which, as I said, doesn't include an actual answer.Skruffs wrote:
More avoidance of the question?Battle Mage wrote:
DUDE. TRY READING MY WHOLE POST BEFORE YOU GET A BEE IN YOUR BONNET!Skruffs wrote:
Completely avoided the question.Battle Mage wrote:
I think you are missing some very obvious points here. Firstly, John is NOT HERE. He won't be throwing his potato until he shows up or gets replaced now, will he? Secondly, I highly doubt Porochaz will listen to anything i have to say.Skruffs wrote:Do you think Armlx should throw to Porochaz, BM?
You avoided my question: Why aren't you interested in the other two throwing their potatoes as much as you are getting Armlx blown up?
Do you think Armlx should throw to Porochaz?
Your response to "Do you think Armlx should toss to Porochaz" is, "John is not here" and "I doubt Porochaz will listen to what I have to say"... but nothing, no part of your answer, says, "Yes, I think he should" or "No, I think he shouldn't"...
Hmm. Not sure what secret hidden cryptological puzzle you have imbedded in your post, but I Really don't see a valid, direct answer to the questoin.
Here, you initially tried to misrepresent Skruffs; his motives for asking were pretty clear, given that it was after (and in reply to) you (I assume jokingly) proposed that either armlx throw a potato at Porochaz or vice versa. His question of "what gave you that impression" is fully justified IMO.Skruffs wrote:
I'm not asking your opinion; you've already given it. I'm asking the basis for your opinion. Why one polayer and not another, why throwing to this player and not another, etcetera. Trying to twist what I am saying and asking you into some sort of ultimatum is pretty last-year's-playstyle for you, BM.
The fact that you are asking my opinion on what everybody should do with their potatoes. Nobody elses. Just mine. Now, stop completely avoiding the question.
What gives you the impression that I think that?Now, a few questions for you:
1. Why do you think that it is solely my job to determine who throws potatoes where?
Your hypocrisy here is the point I agree with.Skruffs wrote:
If you liked it, you wouldn't be asking me why I was doing it - you would be doing it yourself or encouraging it. But I do like how you returned an answer to me that you yourself claimed was an 'avoiding the question' answer, which was itself a mirror to the FIRST answer you gave me. Now that you have confirmed that you are intentionally avoiding questions I am asking (And for apparently no reason), I am happy to see you baptized in a Trial By Potato.
What gives you the impression that i am?
I rarely see townies complain about a random stage being over. Why are you?2. Why are you pretending to scumhunt when the majority of us are clearly still in the 'random' stage.
Of course, there are points in Skruffs post that are just pointless arguments which I don't care to list because I'm too lazy; plus I don't follow how you've confirmed that the potatoes were in pro-town hands. But that doesn't change the fact that Skruffs has some valid points against you.
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I guess I owe you an apology.Battle Mage wrote:
[...]Skruffs wrote:Do you think Armlx should throw to Porochaz, BM?
You avoided my question: Why aren't you interested in the other two throwing their potatoes as much as you are getting Armlx blown up?
I wouldnt mind Armlx throwing at Porochaz. It would serve the same end as my suggestion, just with a higher risk, as i'm getting townie vibes from Porochaz atm. And Armlx? hmm, not so much.
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I don't think you need to convert that to match it to the forum clock. Check q21's post where he tossed it to Skruffs, and the timestamp. It's 4:18.somestrangeflea wrote:
I'm having trouble converting this. For comparison reasons, could someone tell me the length of time between the above mentioned time and the timestamp of this post. Thank you.PJosarian2 wrote:Skruffs, Potato Factory Worker, Townie, has been killed by a Russet Potato at 4:18 Central District Time.scumchat never die-
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A lot of people have been saying this for more pages than I care to count.armlx wrote:
I said this like 10 pages ago.....q21 wrote:
I think anyone who throws a Potato anywhere should have a good reason.Rally Vincent wrote:
Sure. If someone blows off a potato with a known or at least assumed trigger on purpose, he'd better have a good reason.Battle Mage wrote: What i dont understand is the bit in italics. Can you please explain?
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Your point being? I don't see how you're doing anything more than restating the already restated.Crazy wrote:A reason should always accompany a throwing of a potato, although potatoes should be thrown as quickly as possible, unless if that potato is known to explode after X throws.scumchat never die-
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Saying "No, I did" isn't real proof.Luigi Gangsta wrote:
I had a potato fool, don't accuse me of something and give me and FOS without doing your homework....Battle Mage wrote: Erm as far as i can tell, you've never had a potato. 0.o
FoS: Luigigangsta
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However, it seems you're right.
PJosarian2 wrote:Potato Tracking Count #5:
- M4yhem is in possession of a Russet Potato
BM?M4yhem wrote:Chuck potato at Luigi Gangsta
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You do realize that that's WIFOM, I hope.Battle Mage wrote:
He blatantly and openly declared war on Skruffs. Regardless of whether he knew it would kill him, he brought himself right out into the open- something i could not see him doing as scum in a game like this.DrippingGoofball wrote:
How so, BM???Battle Mage wrote:...Q21 is probably town in my eyes anyway.
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WIFOM, as in it's just as possible he did so anticipating exactly the kind of reaction you made. I mean, you go and say things like "I wouldn't expect scum to do this, therefore if he did this, he's very likely pro-town" and don't understand why people say you're spouting WIFOM?
And now that I reread your sentence, am I reading it correctly and you're referencing q21's scum meta? If so, please clarify.scumchat never die-
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My point is something like this, too. Also, not only can we not punish such behaviour, some of us wouldn't want to for WIFOM reasons *nudgenudgewinkwinkBMsaynomore*Rally Vincent wrote:
Wouldn't it be exactly what scum would dare to do in a game like this? Because, you know... we cannot punish behaviour like this on the spot. [/i]Battle Mage wrote:
He blatantly and openly declared war on Skruffs. Regardless of whether he knew it would kill him, he brought himself right out into the open- something i could not see him doing as scum in a game like this.DrippingGoofball wrote:
How so, BM???Battle Mage wrote:...Q21 is probably town in my eyes anyway.
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I don't, as a general rule, apply WIFOM to anything and everything, but thisis. I wasn't trying to make a big deal out of it, just pointing it out.
@BM: what I meant by scum meta is that you said that what q21 did is "something you could not see him doing as scum in a game like this" and whether you had seen q21's play as scum before to be able to make this call.
@q21: I wasn't accusing you of trying to "WIFOM your way past us", I was merely pointing out what you yourself say, that you attacking Skruffs isn't enough to declare you town.scumchat never die-
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Calling my set of beliefs inconsistent based on this instance is a bit off. Your statement registered as WIFOM. Whether it wasBattle Mage wrote:
Korts, my friend... *sigh*Korts wrote:I don't, as a general rule, apply WIFOM to anything and everything, but thisis. I wasn't trying to make a big deal out of it, just pointing it out.
If you call WIFOM on something as weak as this, it's inconsistent to say that you dont believe defending somebodyby definitionis scummy, or at least logically flawed. Is that what you really believe?weakor not, I didn't state, and weak WIFOM or strong WIFOM, it's still WIFOM. WIFOM WIFOM WIFOM. I wonder how many times I'll be using the word WIFOM. WIFOM?
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Where did I do exactly that? I just pointed out that the point on which you base q21's pro-townness is subjective at best, and not hard to be considered WIFOM.Battle Mage wrote:
But you have pretty well declared that any and all attempts to defend someone are inherently scummy. Which i find, rightly, ridiculous.Korts wrote:
Calling my set of beliefs inconsistent based on this instance is a bit off. Your statement registered as WIFOM. Whether it wasBattle Mage wrote:
Korts, my friend... *sigh*Korts wrote:I don't, as a general rule, apply WIFOM to anything and everything, but thisis. I wasn't trying to make a big deal out of it, just pointing it out.
If you call WIFOM on something as weak as this, it's inconsistent to say that you dont believe defending somebodyby definitionis scummy, or at least logically flawed. Is that what you really believe?weakor not, I didn't state, and weak WIFOM or strong WIFOM, it's still WIFOM. WIFOM WIFOM WIFOM. I wonder how many times I'll be using the word WIFOM. WIFOM?
What do you mean by "by definition"? There are multiple instances when defending someone can be scummy. It depends largely on context.
If you try and defend someone, i'll gladly show you what i mean in practical terms, as an example of just HOW ridiculous your comment is.
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Hm, yes. It was me who said thatBattle Mage wrote:
Not that there's any real point arguing over this, you've taken my comment out of context. The original scenario posed (i believe by Skruffs or possibly Armlx) was that the potatoes were in the hands of the protown players and that we should be throwing them around. My retort was that i'd rather see the protown players with the potatoes keep them until they have some idea about what they want to do with them.the silent speaker wrote: P.S. Korts:
Not sure if this got answered, but I think it was this:Skruffs, I don't see it how BM confirmed that the potatoes are in pro-town hands. Could you elaborate?
Implying that the hands the potatoes were then in were pro-town.BM wrote:I'd rather see the potatoes KEPT in the hands of those protown players, until we have some idea of where we are throwing them.
I can stand for aVote: TSS
You've been niggling at me all game.
BMifthe potatoes were all in pro-town hands, then we wouldn't have any chance at catching scum so long as the potatoes weren't moving.
pinkyFoS: TSS
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I see how your theory works in... well, in theory, kuribo, but look at the current situation, for instance.
Your prime suspect is TSS; TSS' prime suspect is you. We don't learn anything new from the to-and-fro lobbing of the potato, since both sides have stated reasons for throwing.scumchat never die-
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That you suspect each other?kuribo wrote:Korts wrote: Your prime suspect is TSS; TSS' prime suspect is you. We don't learn anything new from the to-and-fro lobbing of the potato, since both sides have stated reasons for throwing.
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An orderly fashion of elimination needs to be set up, agreed, but should know that standard lynch procedure doesn't work in this situation like it should. What you proposed back a lot of pages ago isn't standard lynch procedure, since it involves two people set up for a lynch, not one. And you setting it up like I didn't agree with your proposed plan smells of bad to me.armlx wrote:
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I'm not so sure. Consider the fakevoting system two simultaneous lynches, with one of them being "pardoned". It's not any more helpful to scum than conventional lynching, and if it is, only by a small margin.kuribo wrote: As I've said, fakevoting helps the scum more than it hinders them.scumchat never die-
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