I'm here to taunt Vecna about my lack of participation and tunnel gobbledygook, and I'm all out of gobbledygook's to tunnel.In post 1450, Vecna wrote:he was literally taunting us pver not participating in his proddodges
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Am I doing this right?"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
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I'm interested in A50's and EJ's cases on my slot, why DGB is voting Alch, why ONLY DGB is voting Alch, and consensus reads.
I'd also like predictions from EJ, Vecna, and A50 on what my read on them will be once I've caught up. I will probably not be fully caught up until after the night phase."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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Lavender and Iec seem to be tied at 4, although I might endorse a TL flashwagon.
VOTE: Iec
Puts Iec in the lead at 5."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
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Elaborate? I voted Iec over lab mostly because TL was on lavs wagon so it’s 100% relevant.In post 1485, Logicalicaltist wrote:
My read on TL is conflicting.In post 1483, Bingle wrote:Lavender and Iec seem to be tied at 4, although I might endorse a TL flashwagon.
VOTE: Iec
Puts Iec in the lead at 5.
Like they are villagery at parts and scummy at other parts."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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Esp when JK is part of the newbie setup."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
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Talk more about me. I like it when people talk about me.In post 1540, username wrote:In post 1538, chkflip wrote:Who're the scums?
You for one
Oh shit I revealed my secret scumread that tripped my 90% scumtell. Don't bother engaging with me on this if you're going to drag me into some toxic-ass screaming.
Bingle very likely replaced into a scum slot."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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It’s actually not a bad choice.In post 1580, Lavender wrote:PE: What the actual, why should I protect a 3p who can’t die anyways?
If alch corroborates your claim then you become very likely town (scum jk is very rare), two potential jks tomorrow is + equity, it prevents fakeclaiming alch from using a powerful role if he’s actually groupscum who needs to live for a few days and if town you’re likely a high priority nightkill anyway."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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Also he rolled cult this game.In post 1520, Almost50 wrote:In post 1510, Vecna wrote:Talk to me about Doctor drew, somebodySpoiler: All you need to know about Dr Drew
I hope that helps"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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No reason to with a night phase to catch up, but thanks for the thought. I’m probably gonna high effort for a few days because throwing myself into a mafia game is a decent way for me to fight lethargy and I’m only in the one atm.In post 1528, chkflip wrote:Bingle, you can skip the first 25 pages. I did and I'm doing fine lol"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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Alchemist is likely lying, but in a way that is consistent with his claim.
I support leashing lab to him 100% right now."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
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Could there be a scum jk? Sure. Is it likely there’s a scum jk? No.
I’d prefer if we could save the (doesn’t match what I’d expect of people claims) conversation until at least after the night phase given that it’s particularly likely to out vts to the scumteam.
Lavender, please respond to my reasoning on jailing Alch."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
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People = pr. Fuck ac."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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1593 and 1598 are not a good look."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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Vecna A50 and chk fairly solid town, btw.
UN needs pressure.
TL probscum.
EJ might be town based on the first few pages."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
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@Lav
Additionally, your role gets stronger the longer the game lasts. You’re very unlikely to stop a kill tonight, both because of the number of viable kills and the fact that in a baker game (Especially one with a 3rd party indicating a large number of targeting roles) scum likely have some measure of interaction with our prs.In post 1585, Bingle wrote:If alch corroborates your claim then you become very likely town (scum jk is very rare), two potential jks tomorrow is + equity, it prevents fakeclaiming alch from using a powerful role if he’s actually groupscum who needs to live for a few days and if town you’re likely a high priority nightkill anyway.
2 JKs tomorrow, on the other hand, means a far higher chance to actually prevent a kill.
If you’re town, scum can’t predict you, and scum can’t interact with you, you probably just die.
If you go into the night leashed to alch, a vig shot is more likely to go through, pseudo confirming the vig when/if they claim."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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Oh, kuribo alt. NVM, that’s probably town."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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I’ve read a total of ten pages. I thought you were a newb, and self conscious posting is a strong new scum tell. Sue me."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
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No worries. It takes a lot more than that to summon up the blood beneath this fair nature."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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Hm.In post 1609, Iecerint wrote:Town does not have a ninja cop, a tracker, and a jailkeeper.
UNVOTE:"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
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IME this means things like Janitors and cults but not things like death millers and quack doctors.In post 1617, Alchemist21 wrote:The game is Baker-level bastard.
tl;dr, your role pm is probably trustworthy."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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If you get the chance, who would you expect to read you better specifically?In post 1628, Iecerint wrote:I am pretty puzzled at people being conflicted about eliminating me vs Lavender. I feel like I'm playing my standard game, and people usually read me as obvTown. I know the site meta has probably drifted in the past few years, but.
FWIW, I remember feeling like I had PR-slipped when I got upset with A50 for his vague statements about PRs. I realized that I was probably unduly sensitive to it because of being a PR. I didn't explain my feelings at the time because I didn't want to add insult to injury.
Pedit k"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Honestly? I'm not sure how opposed I would be to no lynch with an even playercount and less than 24 hours to read the thread.In post 1623, chkflip wrote:We're going to fucking no lynch, aren't we?
I'll vote in a minute after I look at the wagon comp again though."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
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I kinda think they're both town, tbh.
I also think you're being exceptionally useless with your 3p tunnel."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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Yeah, I'm pretty okay with day ending without a death right here."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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I was, FWIW.In post 1678, username wrote:I'm not convinced Iec is scum, but I'm not willing to end the day on no lynch either"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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This implies that you've lost the left one, proceeded to bet the right one, and regained possession of the left one. I'm going to assume this to be true.In post 1737, username wrote:It's a figure of speech I've been using for a lot of years
I always bet the left one first
Also, what are your current thoughts re: me?"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
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I'm interested in this thought, and would like to know more.In post 1730, username wrote:I'd bet my left nut there's at least one scum that was watching the thread and didn't post
I'm decidedly not interested in the angle of "Who was actively pushing wagons?" unless you're going to go into what about the individual pushes was scummy.
I can get behind the idea that all of chk, logical, and TL look bad for similar reasons. The flippy wagon seems like a shit push from where I sit.
I fully intend to ignore Alch's existence today as a lynch target, with the sole exception of pointing out that role as claimed he actively wants to lynch scum because scum is more like than not to kill the PR's he needs to win the game. If he's groupscum, he's probably a reflexive roleblocker. I'm fine with letting him have a day to scumhunt and prove himself useful."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
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Gross."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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?In post 1831, Almost50 wrote:Why are you so focused on how people are reading you??
I usually am preoccupied about talking about me. It makes it easier to weigh whether a push is genuine if I can remove variables. In this particular case I'm not particularly interested in talking about how I think people should be reacting to me before they commit to a reaction on me, but I do think at least one such take is weird."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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Full skim, nothing in depth.In post 1877, Vecna wrote:Hows the reread coming bingle? Did you read all the thread during night? How should we interpret your posts? Knowledgeable to the fullest, clueless on past events, or something in between?"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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Hmm.In post 1884, Elsa Jay wrote:Thanks for not saying what I gave you by the way. Keep it a secret."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
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VOTE: Temp Lich"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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DGB
Vecna
A50
chkflip
UN
Logic
Pooky
Drew
Pisskop
EJ
Galron
TLich
Roughly where I stand. The middle ground is shaky as hell, but I'd say everything chk and above is fairly solidly town and I'd be shocked if neither Galron nor TLich were scum."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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Literally nothing about your play is towny."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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In post 1927, TemporalLich wrote:and that's some pretty mediocre deepwolfing
FTFY"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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I'll case you when I feel like it. The flail is real."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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Hey logical. Do you think you are obvtown to the point where scumreading you or questioning your alignment is a scumclaim?"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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I was gonna post tonight, but it's now 3 AM and I don't want to be up til 8 again.
Later nerds."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Objectively, it was the right play to target Alch there.In post 2050, DrippingGoofball wrote:We need blink tags for the players here that think Iecerint would have targeted the claimed third party.
If Alch is fakeclaiming, he gets a guilty.
If Alch is trueclaiming, there's a possibility his role gets used to town's benefit.
It's a win/win, regardless of his belief in Alch town, exactly like aiming a vig at Alch was when you naysayed that.
If you're going to tunnel to the exclusion of all else and be all around useless, please actually make sense while doing it. If you'd like to maybe win a game of mafia, there are in fact other players to interact with and form reads on."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
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It's cute how you think you can read me.In post 2010, Vecna wrote:Bingle - pretty strong scumreads on that slot. That readslist was just too easy. No real process. Thats not how town bingle replaces in and parses shit. Not buying it. The reads are too easy, theres no suspicion, and im not buying that bingle EZ-townreads the CHK slot just like that."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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Spoiler: Walls for the Wall God, Skulls for the Skull Throne
Spoiler: Corroborating Votecounts, for your convenience
Teal Deer:
TLich's play has all been about seeming to be town. His pushes are fabricated bullshit, his stances are vague garbage, and his thought processes are inherently not town thought processes."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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With regard to the chk/logical fight, my best guess is that it's a TvT.
chk's townslip reaction comes across as very genuine. His setup spec, while something I disagree with strongly, is a completely reasonable take ("Why would there be a ninja cop AND a town tracker?!?!?!" is a very town thought), and the tunnel is incredibly genuine. He's playing an "Aha! Gotcha!" game, but he's doing so in a way that leads credence to the idea that he does actually believe he caught scum with their pants down, which ime is fairly hard to fake. Even pointing out the obvious softclaim from Logical makes complete sense in the case that chk thinks Logical is scum, and scum chk wouldn't want the additional kneejerk scumminess from outing a PR (even an obvious one) when he was already engaged in a loud 1v1. His thought processes are consistent and if you read him holistically there's a clear progression. He's not posting trying to look town, he's pushing things and actively trying to figure shit out. He's abrasive about it, sure, but this is EXACTLY what good townplay looks like.
Logical is a lesser read, but it boils down to a few things. His "Why would you out me as tracker" when he'd been obviously softing tracker is exactly the kind of town PR reaction I'd expect. His reaction to the townslip conversation doesn't seem out of a town's wheelhouse. (I'm assuming chkflip had seen something about formatting and didn't give a shit, so I've largely ignored that, although more power to him if he wants to continue pushing to dig up something there.) He also seems like he's being pretty blatantly pocketed by TLich, which is a good sign that he's not scum with the lich. I also think his reaction to my loaded question was more town than scum."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
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Not only did you just prove you didn't read my case at all, you also fully described your own push on chkflip.In post 2059, TemporalLich wrote:It seems like you're trying to paint me as scum, but you're just saying my reads suck and therefore I've spewed myself scum somehow
Nice."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
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I mean...In post 2064, Logicalicaltist wrote:
I don’t think anyone directly said that but...In post 2059, TemporalLich wrote:It seems like you're trying to paint me as scum, but you're just saying myreads suckandthereforeI'vespewed myself scumsomehow
“Yourreads suckThereforeyouspewedyourselfScum.”
Now someone has.
You may continue and expand on your argument now.
In post 1922, TemporalLich wrote:Are you seriously suggesting we eliminate the town leader over setup spec? Congrats, you're now scum spewed"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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What do you think of my townreasoning for chk?In post 2065, Logicalicaltist wrote:I’m just more inclined to believe Chkflip is scum here over TL."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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For clarification to any town players reading along, I never said TLich was scum because his reads were bad. I DID say that TLich saying chk was scum because his reads were bad when they were mirrored by TLich's reads is scum indicative."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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In post 2072, Logicalicaltist wrote:I probably missed it but what was his full Town read on me again?Spoiler: Every post where he discusses his read on you via cntrl f of his D1 ISO and deleting posts that were literally responding to you. I stopped when I got to today."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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Oh, and chk? The reason I don't think the tracker/ninjacop thing is a S/T pairing by setup is because it makes more sense for town to have a negative utility interaction to offset 2 investigations than for scum to have a role geared towards finding investigations that can't find the cop.
I have no problem believing a plethora of targeting roles given Alch's claim (Either he's telling the truth and there need to be a lot to give him a chance to win or he's lying and scum probably have a lot of actions to make him think it was a viable fakeclaim in the setup)."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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Hot take: not a bad list. Firmly disagree that this is how scum Vecna approaches me, but this is probably your towniest post in the thread.In post 2082, TemporalLich wrote:Pooky (yeah Pooky is scummy enough for me to distrust the claim, DGB still town tho), PK, Vecna, and maybe Doctor Drew"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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If the cop claims a guilty the tracker who saw no movement is going to counter claim and say their result is bullshit, and probably get the cop lynched in the process (See: Logical's reaction to the ninja cop claim).
Tracker is never going to out a no visit to save someone before endgame because "didn't perform the nightkill" is like the weakest result you can get.
Compare: Tracker sees cop target player B and then town read player B. Cop flips without claiming, tracker has reliable information about a clear. Cop gets run up. Tracker knows cop has a role that targets and doesn't kill, corroborating the claim.
It's not a miller, but it's close to a Tracker miller. And miller cop is a thing that has been used to nerf multicop setups in the past."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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Meme with a female if you think that a scumread on you is unreasonable because you'd never gambit an inno.In post 2088, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:In post 2082, TemporalLich wrote:Pooky (yeah Pooky is scummy enough for me to distrust the claim, DGB still town tho), PK, Vecna, and maybe Doctor Drew
Meme with a male if you think the list is bad for some other reason.
Meme with both if this is just a "I'm town" post.
Meme with neither if I'm missing something."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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Shhh. I'm trying not to get nightkilled over here.In post 2096, DrippingGoofball wrote:Bingle is town."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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I assume this means you think I'm wrong on TLich. Why do you think he's town?In post 2090, chkflip wrote:Okay, let's go this direction.
VOTE: pisskop
Givin me bad MM2 vibes here, bud."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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I am currently of the opinion that you're scum. Thoughts?In post 2098, Elsa Jay wrote:I also like not getting NKed. Its pleasant being alive."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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I don't have a particular issue with any of those actions (and have in fact talked about why in 2/3 cases), and if he has a reason to townread TLich that I haven't considered I'd be interested in hearing it. I'll admit the turnaround on TL seems weird.In post 2100, Logicalicaltist wrote:
Funny enough He votes me, votes TL and then votes PK.In post 2099, Bingle wrote:
I assume this means you think I'm wrong on TLich. Why do you think he's town?In post 2090, chkflip wrote:Okay, let's go this direction.
VOTE: pisskop
Givin me bad MM2 vibes here, bud."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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I want to know what EJ thinks about my thoughts on him, in order to develop further thoughts on him. I'm unsure where your confusion comes from.In post 2102, pisskop wrote:che?"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
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Ah. Carry on then.
I'll treat your pisskop vote exactly like I'm treating Vecna's Gal vote. A good vote that exists independent of my case on TLich."He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
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It's more that that post seems fairly self explanatory than any particular expectation that you know the nuance behind my EJ read. I'm aware that you're not caught up, and while I'd like the insight I know you're capable of providing as town, I'm not holding my breath for that.In post 2110, pisskop wrote:
I mean, I havent read since . . . daystart? I think its only been a phaseIn post 2105, Bingle wrote:I'm unsure where your confusion comes from.
Do you think that me thinking EJ is scummy is noteworthy? Do you have any thoughts on EJ? I see you're sheeping me on TLich, was there anything specific about the case you thought was important, or did you arrive at the read for some other reason? What do you think of my chk towncase?"He brings the cool and the muscle" -FakeGod
"I was playing against the timer known as bingle tbh." ~Chennisden
"it's truest in mechanical games (if he gets a gritty setup and is town in it and needs to save the day, he starts levitating and his eyes start glowing. not exaggerating, it literally happens)." ~Ducky-
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You think chk's townslip reaction was manufactured? Disregarding the validity of said slip, point to where in his responses you don't think he'd genuinely found a reason to hard town read Lav?In post 2118, Vecna wrote:
His townslip reaction came across as genuine?In post 2060, Bingle wrote:With regard to the chk/logical fight, my best guess is that it's a TvT.
chk's townslip reaction comes across as very genuine. His setup spec, while something I disagree with strongly, is a completely reasonable take ("Why would there be a ninja cop AND a town tracker?!?!?!" is a very town thought), and the tunnel is incredibly genuine. He's playing an "Aha! Gotcha!" game, but he's doing so in a way that leads credence to the idea that he does actually believe he caught scum with their pants down, which ime is fairly hard to fake. Even pointing out the obvious softclaim from Logical makes complete sense in the case that chk thinks Logical is scum, and scum chk wouldn't want the additional kneejerk scumminess from outing a PR (even an obvious one) when he was already engaged in a loud 1v1. His thought processes are consistent and if you read him holistically there's a clear progression. He's not posting trying to look town, he's pushing things and actively trying to figure shit out. He's abrasive about it, sure, but this is EXACTLY what good townplay looks like.
Logical is a lesser read, but it boils down to a few things. His "Why would you out me as tracker" when he'd been obviously softing tracker is exactly the kind of town PR reaction I'd expect. His reaction to the townslip conversation doesn't seem out of a town's wheelhouse. (I'm assuming chkflip had seen something about formatting and didn't give a shit, so I've largely ignored that, although more power to him if he wants to continue pushing to dig up something there.) He also seems like he's being pretty blatantly pocketed by TLich, which is a good sign that he's not scum with the lich. I also think his reaction to my loaded question was more town than scum.
It did somewhat to me, untill he just pointed out it was because of the header in the role pm, and not -those other things-. Which every scum would likely also have. Which chkflip, which does some modding work at times, would know quite well.
So what about that looks genuine, and not just "scum seeing town say things that he can point to being "obvtown" even though those things in particular are not, whatsoever?
And ill continue to be cute thinking I can read you. Especially if your reaction to it is doing exactly the thing youre accused of having ommited from your play (thought process).
I still feel the entire case on lich is more "finding words to describe what is wrong with his logic" rather than using logic to determining whether that comes from scum or town.
VOTE: Bingle
As far as "chk does modding and would know fakeclaim protocol," I think I'm actually more well versed on that than you. Chk is in fact a mod. His most recent completed modded game was MM2, in which the scumteam notably had no access to a fakeclaim pool OR a sample town PM and in which flavor gaming was actively encouraged. Since then, he has backup modded, reviewed or helped with a few, but they tend to by and large be open setups. He literally just finished backup modding my only recent scumgame, a Grand Idea (Which for the record TLich was the mod for, which is why I think his "Bingle is Bingle" meta supposition isn't strange from someone who does not actually know me very well). Before that, he was backup for the abandoned EISAL2 (I was a replacement, but in name only. The game ended before I could post), a game in which cult me didn't have a fake claim. Chk is an old school mod, and I can 100% see him not expecting a scum fakeclaim to exist.