FGO: Mafia in the Lostbelt (Game Over!)

[Servant Foreigner]

@mod I recommend pming us on our mains the game has begun.

[Servant Foreigner]

Winning this vote is not the only way to obtain a master.

My role makes it so I want day 2 to start with all 4 scum alive.
So I would rather vote a null read in the actual voting phase then a scum read.

I just want to clarify this so I don't have to try and explain why I am not casing my scum reads down the line.

[Servant Foreigner]

I am rigorously thought about the pros and cons of lynching at random during this phase.

To some degree we don't want to confirm someone we think is town as town? They get a jacked role pm but will just end up being shot which results in us losing a strong town read and the entire benefit of this vote.
People can get upgraded role pms through other means so that player can still get a Jacked role pm need be.


I think this entire day phase should consist of us just voting mid reads. If we flip scum on this phase then we should probably lynch scum a 2nd time.

[Servant Foreigner]

Berserker how do you know your master upgrade?
I didn't think that was info made available to you.

[Servant Foreigner]

Berserker how do you know your master upgrade?
I didn't think that was info made available to you.

It's literally written in my role PM.

Is it not in yours?!

No?

[Servant Foreigner]

Oh I read my role pm wrong.
My with a master ability allows me to give another player a master as a day action.
I am not sure how I missed that text, thanks for getting me to check my noble phantasm.

So to some degree I am objectively the best choice beyond correct strategy of choosing a null read 40 pages from now.
Otherwise we should target a null read as whoever gets chosen will die night one.

I assume this phase is not the same as the literal day 1 elimination phase so I will liberally use our 60 pages.

VOTE: Servant Foreigner

[Servant Foreigner]

I thought I could give people a master without winning this vote myself.
So I just intended to stay back and not worry about it.

Basically voting me is whatever your role is and the additional effect of my ability.

[Servant Foreigner]

This is our first murder vote, yes?

Is this not the master vote?
We vote for a master, if we win we get 2 lynches day 1.
If we lose scum probably just win on the spot and we are playing up hill 10-3.

[Servant Foreigner]

I disagree with the notion that giving our strongest town play a confirmed town status.
Then watching them die night 1 as we also lose our upgraded role pm.

If you disagree with that strategy then vote me because I know I am town and I like my upgrade.

[Servant Foreigner]

he "information" they are missing is information that was and is discussed in thread and they are casually ignoring.

What am I casually ignoring?

[Servant Foreigner]

The thing you are currently claiming is literally what I claimed when I came in.

It's also what 3 others also claimed as well.

And now after 4 people did that and went "oh, it's a mechanic not a special feature"

you're in here late to the party going "hey guys vote me I have this ability"

So either you're not reading or.... intentional.

So either neutral at best or scum at worst.

Do you really think I believe that's going to get me town read in an anonymous field?

[Servant Foreigner]

I don't town read Berserker at all.
Which makes this entire situation feel like utter shit from my POV.

I think this is the easiest "aggro" push you can make.
I think aggro pushes like this are more likely to come from scum then town.

[Servant Foreigner]

I don't town read Berserker at all.
Which makes this entire situation feel like utter shit from my POV.

I think this is the easiest "aggro" push you can make.
I think aggro pushes like this are more likely to come from scum then town.

Scum love doing this shit because it always gets them town read.
Berserker is going to back off in 20 pages, further getting more town cred.

It's actual garbage that I've seen 100 times and town has literally never successfully adapted to it.

[Servant Foreigner]

And the OMGUS to top it off, aided by a "aggressive players are scummy"!

In an anonymous game.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm :Thinking:

How does that statement fall apart in an anonymous game.
I am saying scum like to go aggro.
Watch a wagon form.
Then back up and get 2 cred in 2 different forms.

You're saying what you can, it's garbage, and it's going to work out for you.
Good job I guess.

[Servant Foreigner]

Yawn. So what, this is the setup?

You'll attack the general concept of aggressiveness instead of addressing anything I've actually posted.

And then make casual claims about what may happen in the future to shape expectations?

What part of what you are doing here is town trying to read people?

This reads more like scum trying to control narratives?

You said I missed posts in the thread, yes I did.
You said that comes from scum, I said oh well it doesn't?

What do you want out of me, it's an absurdly basic case based on a mistake I very clearly made and can't deny.
I think that's the exact kind of case scum love to jump on, you ignored my reply to you saying it's OMGUS?

I am not addressing it because I literally can't deny anything outside the merit of whether or not it makes me scum. And I can't say whether or not it makes me scum because I don't think missing posts is alignment indicative, but that's my theory not something I could back up especially in an anonymous game.
That's like me saying you must flip scum because I said that scum like to go aggro.

The game of mafia does not work that way.

[Servant Foreigner]

It's that you're making it in an anonymous game as a generic defense. No one can go "no that's not true" because yes, some scum are aggro. Plenty more aren't. No one has meta, no one can "disprove" your statement...

but your statement also has no value. Just as many town are aggro too.

And now you're speaking from a perspective of "knowing" I'm scum.

This is not real outrage. Nothing you have said as of so far reads as real. It reads as trying to take advantage of and deflect a situation by creating a fight.

If someone can manage to read this and vote me after.
Then I am not entirely sure what to say?

I am not saying your scum for being aggro, I think town love to be aggro as well.
I think your sticking your head way too far out, in a way that makes this unnatural aggression for page 4. I am predicting a future line of play that you will do to brace for my flip. Half my read literally depends on shit that hasn't happened I am not fully convinced your scum but I think I know what's going to happen.

[Servant Foreigner]

I don't know how you can read into the consistency of my emotion on approximately page 4.
That isn't enough time to get a sample size?

You are right I am not mad I am just kind of annoyed but I guess if you are scum I shouldn't be.
I think that much like most of what you are saying it's based on large assumptions. And I think you are aware you are doing that in order to push me which really bothers me.

[Servant Foreigner]

Cognitive dissonance.

It isn't.

[Servant Foreigner]

I am still calling you scum in 98?
I think I know what you want to do, I am calling you out for it in advance.

And I think there is more to just the aggro, I am just not going to explain every small detail of my reads if I am not prodded on it. Otherwise all my posts will be essays explaining the varying things that make individual actions less and more likely to be scum.

But you aren't even calling me out for that, you are saying I am backing up on calling you scum in 98. But I literally am calling you scum?

[Servant Foreigner]

Like, if you want to back off your statements, feel free to back off them

but don't say you weren't saying I was scum.

Or that my aggro is somehow "unnatural" compared to "other aggro" when that's not what you said, lol

How am I shifting goal posts for saying the bolded in 98 is just objectively false.
What are you even saying.

[Servant Foreigner]

I like Berserker's push, and I like Foreigner's reaction to it.

I can see this conflict blowing the thread up for a few days, unfortunately.

I don't even care if I get lynched for this.
The main thing I am saying this entire thing reeks of scum doing it for cred and it's not a genuine push on me.

He keeps using buzz words to hide from having an actual deep level of thought while pushing me.

[Servant Foreigner]

the bolded is the problem. You are trying to defend against something you have imagined as a distraction to your actual scummy responses and play.

It's not a defense.
I am saying why I think you are scum. Chainsaw defense maybe but I think to some degree I am making it known I can't defend against your original argument.

I still think you have used buzz words incorrectly and the town has gone "oh yeah he used cognitive dissonance/whatever that means he is thinking about his posts!" without checking that your usage doesn't even make sense.

I truly don't care to defend myself for your initial point.
Because I can't argue against something that clearly happened.
If enough people think that makes me scum then good job I guess I'll get lynched and I won't have anything to say against it in the dead PT.

[Servant Foreigner]

Foreigner I would actually be interested in the "little things" you scumread from Berserker.

Later I will if you remind me. I don't actually think it would help the thread for a wide range of reasons.
And it would largely just be me explaining where I found Berserker going "too far" and that is entirely my bias POV.

Unless I dove into how I like to solve which is pro scum.

[Servant Foreigner]

If anyone would like to claim their attribute I would appreciate it.
My role benefits from having that knowledge.

I am aware of Beasts and Shielders attribute already. I will not state on how I know this.
I also know I am dissapointed in Ruler and if they know about the Fate series I am going to be pissed.

[Servant Foreigner]

Maybe I should read the OP.
I just assumed people didn't want to claim because in fate revealing your identity is typically bad.

[Servant Foreigner]

1. This game heavily focuses around the fact that your class is known, but your specific servant's identity is not. Be aware that just is as true of most stories, knowing one's myth means knowing one's weaknesses. Be careful when claiming or revealing information about your role.

Berserkers are supposed to be weak to foreigners and that clearly isn't working so far.

[Servant Foreigner]

Alter Ego isn't really pressuring me either.
This entire game is a flavor fail already.

[Servant Foreigner]

Imagine being Achilles lancer.
Telling people about it would not be a good idea.

I think the idea of scum learning Rider is Achilles and having scum!Lancer throw something at his heel to slay him is a bit far fetched in practice.

[Servant Foreigner]

What servant in fate can interact with someones true name?
Even with warning from the mod I don't actually think it would be that bad to claim but I digress I'll drop it if you guys don't want to humor this conversation.

My role contains info about the setup.
As someone with fate knowledge who has a role that specifically requires me to find out peoples traits.
I can confirm I can reasonably deduce a lot about traits by just your class and a single line of text in my role pm.

I don't see why I'd enter this game more informed then scum?

[Servant Foreigner]

Maybe some Casters or some Rulers could interact with True Names?
But the pool would be so limited we know where it's coming from anyway.

[Servant Foreigner]

Well for one if we tell you our attributes, they can wiki our attributes cross reference it to our classes and if they have any abilities they fuck us.

I am going to get flamed for delving into this.
But I could post multiple peoples traits right now.

[Servant Foreigner]

I am now done with this topic.

[Servant Foreigner]

Hi everyone! I lean more on the side of using Mastermaker to suss out nebulous reads than on the side of turning someone I already feel really good about into an Innocent Child. So:

VOTE: Alter Ego

Congratulations! You are a sufficiently posi-null lean as to warrant this kind of vote.

I think the correct line is to vote someone who you think is town but not everyone sees.
So we get a benefit from the IC without helping scum.
Do you agree with this assessment?

[Servant Foreigner]

VOTE: Archer

[Servant Foreigner]

I don't want your attribute because I think you are town.
I appreciate your support though.

[Servant Foreigner]

Hello everyone, I have listened to the requests of the crowd and reread my role pm.
I do not want to have my "with a master" bonus this game.

Mine is more quality of life to make my mini quest happen easier. But a big brainer like myself does not need the handicap Cabd is attempting to give me.

[Servant Foreigner]

Hello everyone, I have listened to the requests of the crowd and reread my role pm.
I do not want to have my "with a master" bonus this game.

Mine is more quality of life to make my mini quest happen easier. But a big brainer like myself does not need the handicap Cabd is attempting to give me.

I am aware I am talking too much about role things.
But I do not want someone to do me a favor and end up just using a power sub optimally.

[Servant Foreigner]

@Caster, last role fishing question I promise.

Were you given the choice of 3/4 star servants in the pregame?
This is important for my quest.

[Servant Foreigner]

Some classes are piss easy to deduce who they are.
Some classes have very obvious traits in terms of what I am fishing for.

I don't see why cabd would design a game where some Servants could killed be night 1 without reading the thread.
While some are near indestructable because of how absurdly large the pool of options is.

I refuse to believe that would ever pass as good game design.
Sorry I know I said I'd drop the topic but people keep bringing it up lol.

[Servant Foreigner]

I town read Avenger and Archer.
Assassin is pretty abrasive in a way I see coming from town as well?

I don't have any other reads right now because it's page 10.

[Servant Foreigner]

Regardless of opinions on me on my alignment or play.
I did say I don't want to be a master.

It's just bad for me on review.

[Servant Foreigner]

The next person to say a Foreigner True Name will dictate who I pretend I am for the remainder of this game.
I want to post threatening images but I don't want to imply it is or isn't my actual true name.

Saber is right though Assassin is town.

VOTE: Assassin

[Servant Foreigner]

I think my role pm is the only thing that would make me play worse then my dream.

I really wanted to roll Rider, pick Iskandar then do what he did in Fate/Zero where he charges in and proclaims his True Name immediately then attempts to recruit people to be under his rule.

[Servant Foreigner]

I still don't want to win this vote just so you know Caster.
It would force me to play to win a lot more then what I am currently willing to do.

I kind of just want to have fun this game, it's a swingy game you can put in 100% effort and lose to a bus driven cop inno, might as well have fun.

[Servant Foreigner]

What have you beauties been up to?

[Servant Foreigner]

I am baking cookies at 1am I will join you when I am done!

[Servant Foreigner]

Going to throw some spaghetti on the wall reads here. Archer and Alter Ego are scum, maybe assassin is too. Lancer and Avenger for master.

Assassin? Curious what gives you off vibes about them. I'm actually curious for some elaboration on Alter Ego and Avenger too.

I'm holding off on discussing my scum reads (see previous post). As for Avenger, their initial stopping of that mechanic claim at the beginning of the game was town to me. They stopped foreigner from fishing by asking them to carefully read their role and consider their actions, seemed town to me. They don't like archer, that's town to me. Best read I got for the moment. I'm willing to vote it.

This is a very townie post to me. I guess if beast never follows up with scum reads then it means nothing.

But I just think the paranoia and pointing out "haha I won't play the game". Is something scum wouldn't want to do but it's also reasonable for town to do following his line of reasoning qhere I am not reading it as a scum misplay.

I am not sure if I am putting too much weight into this but I just really like it. The whole fishing reads out now thing is just such a town thing to say lol.

[Servant Foreigner]

Can you guys just stop insisting on unnecessary cageyness, knowing what the hell you're talking about has more value to townies trying to read you than scum knowing about whatever your extremely great secret read is.

This post isn't bad as well although I already town read Caster and I am not sure how much I listed that.

The prod to me about voting me so I would actually try felt pure and to some degree this is a consistent line to go along side that post. Which to me at least shows a consistent thought process and not a 1 off attempt at town telling. Although I admit I'd they are consistently trying to fake those kind of posts this wouldn't be that hard to pull off.

[Servant Foreigner]

Thank God prism got replaced 2 posts after calling me scum.
Really dodged that one ^^

[Servant Foreigner]

It's fluffier than Fou, and that's saying something.

I don't like archer but

[Servant Foreigner]

Huh what am I looking at Avenger?
Also I am a slow reader at catching up so I am unsure if I'll be able to finish tonight haha.

[Servant Foreigner]

In terms of new thoughts I am unsure if I truly scum read berserker I have the 2 reads formed in my catch up thus far and that is about it.

When I can start live posting mid day tomorrow I'll be able to start answering questions

Pedit: Awww you think I could be try harding very sweet

[Servant Foreigner]

I think Beast and Lancer are town I wouldn't keep them in group 1

[Servant Foreigner]

How unhelpful would it be if I would self describe my scum game as literally trying to fake exactly that?

[Servant Foreigner]

Social manipulation is so much more reliable then faking reads.

[Servant Foreigner]

Extremely unhelpful.

If you don't light a few matches in your straw house how can you possibly stay warm?

[Servant Foreigner]

Going to throw some spaghetti on the wall reads here. Archer and Alter Ego are scum, maybe assassin is too. Lancer and Avenger for master.

Assassin? Curious what gives you off vibes about them. I'm actually curious for some elaboration on Alter Ego and Avenger too.

I'm holding off on discussing my scum reads (see previous post). As for Avenger, their initial stopping of that mechanic claim at the beginning of the game was town to me. They stopped foreigner from fishing by asking them to carefully read their role and consider their actions, seemed town to me. They don't like archer, that's town to me. Best read I got for the moment. I'm willing to vote it.

This is a very townie post to me. I guess if beast never follows up with scum reads then it means nothing.

But I just think the paranoia and pointing out "haha I won't play the game". Is something scum wouldn't want to do but it's also reasonable for town to do following his line of reasoning qhere I am not reading it as a scum misplay.

I am not sure if I am putting too much weight into this but I just really like it. The whole fishing reads out now thing is just such a town thing to say lol.

[Servant Foreigner]

I'll explain lancer when it isn't 2am and I am caught up.
It's largly a gut read but I know I can articulate it.

[Servant Foreigner]

"They don't like archer, that's town"

That is way too brazen to be scum as well idk.

[Servant Foreigner]

I am unsure I see myself voting Avenger unless I don't want to see the other person voted in.
I think Assassin strikes me as the kind of player who is going to who may end up getting himself lynched down the line.

In comparison to players like Avenger and Alter Ego who I am not actually worried about.
We don't have much time on the deadline does anyone have any big objection to the assassin vote because I think that is the one that is going to be going through.

[Servant Foreigner]

I really wish i knew what I was supposed to be looking at in order to get a good read on Moon Cancer because I am just coming up blank right now.
I am likely going to be crowd sourcing that read and absolving myself of all fault if the consensus is wrong. Thank you everyone for your understanding.

[Servant Foreigner]

If it helps, Foreigner, I'm town.

I probably wouldn't lie about that.

Thanks, I appreciate you telling me this.

[Servant Foreigner]

No one is gunning to buddy me.
And quite honestly I am fairly open to being praised in exchange for my eternal loyalty.

[Servant Foreigner]

I don't want you getting it.

I am not as paranoid as you about the concept of scum winning this vote, I think as a town we are pretty capable of voting in a town. If scum win the vote that is a notable set of information as well to go along side what should be a balanced setup.

I'd much rather vote someone else who I see as either more null or more likely to be lynched.
I don't literally hate it because I think you are town, but it's not the most ideal thing for me to do.

[Servant Foreigner]

I am advocating either targeting Assassin because I think he gets himself killed or targeting a null read.
I have yet a need to readjust because Assassin has been the leading wagon this entire time.

[Servant Foreigner]

I am advocating either targeting Assassin because I think he gets himself killed or targeting a null read.
I have yet a need to readjust because Assassin has been the leading wagon this entire time.

[Servant Foreigner]

A lot of people are town reading me but they aren't voting my way.
Why do you think that may be?

I could say the same, yes?
I don't think that counters any of the other arguments, people aren't targeting you because they think you are scum outside a very small set of players. They aren't targeting you because we all have a different idea on the best strategical use of this power.

[Servant Foreigner]

And after a solid week of sitting around talking about how to best use this power, I highly doubt anyone is going to be persuaded to believe anything that doesn't align with their current beliefs.

[Servant Foreigner]

Was assassin right about beast being replaced by the borg.

Don't worry, we will vote you in the end.

No we aren't.

[Servant Foreigner]

I think he was implying I would get day eliminated.

That is what I said we weren't doing.

[Servant Foreigner]

AE what do we think about the idea behind voting in Saber?

[Servant Foreigner]

What are your thoughts about Saber? I don't see much mention of them in your iso, Do they fit your ideas about choosing a player to upgrade?

If I had a good answer to this question I wouldn't be asking the question.
I think I lean town on the slot but a heavy emphasis on the word think.

I think my future involves voting Avenger.

[Servant Foreigner]

I'm surprised no one but berserker has explained why they are not voting for foreigner as I've now brought it up like 4 times.

I'll have to move my vote soon if this continues.

I think it's because I asked to not be voted in.
Although hindsight is 20/20 and I'd be curious for a different answer to this.

[Servant Foreigner]

Berserker I would respect your opinion on Assassin more if you had over 2 town reads.
You really only town read 2 slots after 30 pages?

[Servant Foreigner]

I agree with both those reads and to some degree I don't think either of those players are universal town reads.
I still just think that targetting a player we already know is town is to some degree, a problem.

I thought about it and I think targetting a fully null player isn't the best course of actions, because it's not a cop it's a flip. So going "ah yes we just let that null scum leave the game" isn't particularly helpful. But I also don't like the idea behind just flipping Avenger and seeing his name in lights.

[Servant Foreigner]

I think it's very possible a scum player could just be campaigning very hard ala the way Avenger or Berserker are in hopes they can ride on some level of a high and leave the game early.
It's the reason I am super hesitant to vote Berserker in particular. I think Avenger is probably just campaigning town.

To some degree that's why I am voting Assassin because he strikes me as both town and someone who doesn't want it. I don't think a scum wagon in this phase is going to be noticably shit. The setup is still going to be relatively balanced and we gain the information of knowing who was trying to push something through. So I highly doubt scum are wanting to go particularly deep in order to win this phase since by the end of the game the effects will hardly matter but the information is something we are going to be using for the entire game.

This is the other reason why pushing for confirming a more controversial slot like totally not being town read assassin is a good plan. Since seeing who is against pushinig it through to some degree offers valuable information.

It's sort like why people don't want to just chain lynch lurkers every phase, in a vacuume it seems like optimal play but it never generates information.

[Servant Foreigner]

Why would the number of slots he townreads make him any more or less credible?

I think having a limited pool of reads is fine, it just makes compromise harder while I am already sitting on a wagon I like.

[Servant Foreigner]

As scum would you want to latch onto it to help push your buddy through?
Or would you try and lay back and wait for town to push it through?

I don't see why scum would want to play in the way you suggest, it's the reason I think we can take advantage of this vote a bit more because scum don't want to just win this vote and create an incriminating wagon.

[Servant Foreigner]

Avenger is talking way too much about the future and is town for a wide range of other reasons.
I think if they are scum trying to win this vote they are so capable of faking a town thought process they wouldn't want to get themselves eliminated this fast, even if it helps scum lol.

[Servant Foreigner]

Well, let me reverse the situation and talk about it as though this was a normal day phase.

If you wanted to get rid of a town player, would you help your buddy push it through or would you try and lay back and wait for town to push it through?

This situation isn't that 1 dimensional.

Scum don't care about winning this vote frankly I think scum would want to lose this vote or win with a perfect wagon for future eliminations.
I am boldly assuming scum have a "With A Master" upgrade and they get all 3 if the win the vote. Technically a role pm upgrade can take any form I guess.

But the thing is why not just vote in a town player that gives you that upgrade all while keeping all 4 members of your team alive. This way you don't sac a member of your team all while upgrading your role pms.

To me this vote has never been about picking town for the scum POV, it's about picking the town that is going to be wrong.

[Servant Foreigner]

See I've had optimal scum startegy on my mind for a really long time, and I've only just leaked it now.
That's a huge improvement from what I did after reading my role pm

[Servant Foreigner]

I liked the part in Shielder's ISO where they claimed they didn't have access to the power literally every town player has.

Definitely not a lie so they can bait an upgrade out of someone :):)

[Servant Foreigner]

We really should vote someone in who can redistribute the wealth.
Compared to the alternative of voting someone who can only act once.

In a way where someone sees themselves winning and they can go "don't do me please"

I thought it was optimal to give the master after that to the people who can't redistribute, which would enable the maximum amount of power. But at that point I can see why further claiming would be bad.

[Servant Foreigner]

at this point i am unsure if shielder is a village idiot or someone impersonating a village idiot in the hopes of being townread

I mean I already called dibs on the latter.
So I am bussing shielder for trying to steal my gimmick.

[Servant Foreigner]

I get what your saying avenger, but I don't think I should read into the fact some players have titles that don't line up with there post count >_>

[Servant Foreigner]

If the above is even the case I am way too lazy to check lol.

[Servant Foreigner]

I think Berserker is going too deep to go against literally everything I am doing.
I had a small period of time where I liked it but it's kind of gone out the other end and I just scum read her again.

[Servant Foreigner]

I scum read Berserker irl.

[Servant Foreigner]

Idk how I feel about Berserker, I think she is just a shitty person and it's making it hard for me to read them. They are using attacks against me as a person to push their agenda and that sort of bothers me.

I think Assassin if they were a self aware player wouldn't be playing in the manner they are doing, they should probably win this vote because I value them as a conf town.

Avenger is an acceptable vote but again I have no reason to move.

Caster could be trying to pocket me and if I want to go for a sheer towniness approach I think Avenger wins my vote in that regard anyway.

Rider and Saber are simply not going to be winning this vote.

[Servant Foreigner]

Frankly Berserker is single handely making me not have fun this game and I am probably lurking until one of us die.

[Servant Foreigner]

I'd literally vote Berserker in right now because it garuntees their eventual demise.

[Servant Foreigner]

I think all 3 of these wagons are on town, which probably means I am doing something wrong.
But I am not entirely sure how I am supposed to correct that in the last 10 hours, especially given playing assuming your wrong is likely a bad approach to day 1.

[Servant Foreigner]

VOTE: Caster

I think I am going to respect Assassin not wanting to be voted in.
I am going Caster over Avenger since I still believe Bottom -> Top of my read list is the superior strategy to going Top -> Bottom this phase.
I'd likely vote Avenger as an act of making Assassin not win.

[Servant Foreigner]

@Avenger @Caster , I guess I should be looking at this in a different manner.
Who do you think is town this game?

[Servant Foreigner]

That was a relatively easy question to answer, I am not sure what you expected.
I am just brain storming the scum phase right now, I wonder if we are going to be doing alright with the page limit since it's likely going to take us 50 pages to figure out a single town read.

[Servant Foreigner]

I think there was something to make of the 3 wagon situation tbh.

If there is scum leading a wagon, it's unlikely there is two. So that might be a soft clear for me later.

I normally attribute arguments like this to the fact it's just so incredibly unlikely we wagoned 2 scum, people aren't right because they had a case with a basis but due to chance.

But I kind of see what you're saying if we had 2 scum wagons they would just consolidate which would result in 1 scum wagon.
Who knows, these all top town reads so how bad can we really be as well lol.

[Servant Foreigner]

AE who are you planning on voting, I don't think Assassin is happening anymore, this site isn't known for last minute wagon shifts that are actually good for town.
I could be persuaded to vote for Avenger if you want but I'd like to see you commit to one of those wagons.

[Servant Foreigner]

I was looking at Fate stuff for fun and I realized I haven't played much if any FGO.
What is the function of servants if there is no holy grail war?

Someone please help.

[Servant Foreigner]

@Avenger @Caster , I guess I should be looking at this in a different manner.
Who do you think is town this game?

You, Alter Ego, Assassin, probably Rider and, regrettably, probably Moon Cancer.

I think Rider and Moon Cancer are sort of spicy town reads.

[Servant Foreigner]

@Rider: Oh, I see. I thought there was a hint of omgus there and was wondering why it didn't apply to assassin who had a more neutral take on you.

@Foreigner: Spicy town reads are not spicy scum reads.

@AE: If you're being scum read and you're town why would you trust someone with master who isn't able to read you? What's to say the rest of their reads aren't just as bad? It applies whether they're scum or town imo.

I mean I am not going to hold it against someone for not running around stating scum reads yet.
Especially given I am doing so myself.

[Servant Foreigner]

Oooo I wouldn't mind voting assassin.

[Servant Foreigner]

I wouldn't mind saving myself the trouble of spamming F5 for 2 hours and just voting through Assassin right now.

[Servant Foreigner]

AE who are you planning on voting, I don't think Assassin is happening anymore, this site isn't known for last minute wagon shifts that are actually good for town.
I could be persuaded to vote for Avenger if you want but I'd like to see you commit to one of those wagons.

curious as to why this is a strong preference for you? i am willing to revive my own wagon if people are -really- having doubts although i realize being afk probably hurt it but thats life

the caster wagon is like, shit, he has decent tone, the last minute swing

probably

isn't scum-indicative, but why they are a popular choice is...confusing? not sure what they bring to the table

Caster doesn't strike me as someone who wants to win this vote, maybe they are scum trying to setup some easy pockets and if they happen to win the vote that's just a bonus.
But I don't particularly want to think about that right now. I could make myself paranoid of Avenger if I really wanted to but I don't particularly feel like going down that path right now.

In general Caster is more neutral then Avenger is as far as the crowd is concerned so seeing them flip town is something I'd prefer to see. Honestly I don't see any of {Caster, Assassin, Avenger} being any more likely to flip scum relative to each other at least right now without any flips. That's basically why I voted Assassin because I think there is a strong dislike of the slot among non assassin voters. It kinda gives us both a better flip in terms of analysis and utilizes the "mod check" a bit better.

[Servant Foreigner]

Caster doesn't strike me as someone who wants to win this vote, maybe they are scum trying to setup some easy pockets and if they happen to win the vote that's just a bonus.

i mean, they are selfvoting

Am I allowed to reword that?
I don't think it's about winning or losing this vote, I think it's about having a plan for the future after you win the vote.

And I think to some degree Caster both doesn't have one of those and also isn't showing they aren't thinking about the future.
So yes I think they are trying to win the vote, but they aren't playing like winning the vote is an end goal for their slot. Basically they are taking the vote because they can.

Idk I could be wrong, I am kind of deep on this tunnel to be reevaluating reliably with 2 hours left, whenever I do that I just end up moving off a good vote and onto a shit one.
And I am voting Assassin in a few posts anyway.

[Servant Foreigner]

Can someone explain to me why Moon Cancer is a town read?
I don't really feel it.

[Servant Foreigner]

ooooh i see

then i totally concur with that assessment of caster

hell it might even be suspect? not going to think about it for this day phase though

Maybe, we'll cross that bridge later.

VOTE: Assassin

pedit: Don't steal my plan.

[Servant Foreigner]

Tbh I was having trouble reading Rider.
But those are all my pocket scum reads.

So I am probably just bad at mafia.

[Servant Foreigner]

I feel pretty strongly about the following reads.

Caster/Beast/AE/Assassin/Avenger For Town.
Shielder/Archer For Scum

Everything else is going to come across as bullshit until I find something I like, and as games tend to progress I get stingy about what those things are.

[Servant Foreigner]

Why am I scummy?

Your posts lack nuance, it's all very direct observations in a way that I think is more likely to come from scum.
And you've stayed consistent with that for a very long time.

[Servant Foreigner]

Assume Shielder and Archer are scum - what do you think of the fact that there's zero resistance to them essentially being the first two people gone from this game?

(Just a general question to anyone who cares to think about it. I have already formed my own opinions about what this says for how scum is approaching the game at the moment.)

I don't think this is an argument that actually holds up.
People say it, get paranoid, then move off.

When 99% of the time scum get put in a position like this they end up opening the scum PT and posting "Reads this early don't actually matter, you're fine." then forgetting about it.
Scum just don't go deep defending other buddies especially when they don't have a large presence, especially in Shielders case. I can see why you would believe someone would be able to defend archer.

I think I am the only one in this entire game that thinks Beast is town so it's not like we are just beating down on certain slots right now.

[Servant Foreigner]

Your posts lack nuance, it's all very direct observations in a way that I think is more likely to come from scum.
And you've stayed consistent with that for a very long time.

Ok... Why did you say that it is more likely to come from scum?

I was really expecting you to say you're reads do have nuance to them....

It's just the nature of how an uninformed individual will play a puzzle game and look stupid coming up with theories. While a scum player will just need to make stances to push certain things through that favor them.

[Servant Foreigner]

A scum player doesn't need nuance to do what they need to do, so sometimes it gets lost in translation when faking posts. I don't need nuance to make certain statements, I am sorry to bring up old wounds since we've been chill but my best example is me getting flustered about how my opinions on Berserker impacted my read on them. While a scum player trying to fake of that wouldn't think of the varying nuance that would go into having that kind of a thought process.

I kinda find those kind of nuances in the posts of the people I town read, even Beast.

[Servant Foreigner]

Is it more of a lack of nuance overall or a specific situation where you expected me to react a certain way and I didn't?

I'd be lying if I answered the question with yes.
I think there is moments when you could have brought up old ideas but I can't pin point a specific moment and be like "you could have done more right here."

I scum read Shielder harder then I scum read your slot. So if I am wrong I think you'll have a fair chance to do something if you just don't vibe with this master phase.

[Servant Foreigner]

I guess that was an or question.
So I guess neither and what I explained?

A combination of an overall lack of nuance and a few ideas I could have seen follow up on even as a meme.

[Servant Foreigner]

The Master hesitated. "Before I take you on, I need to know something. I've sensed a force at work here that isn't on board with the spirit of friendship and such. Almost pure evil, if you will. Are you aligned with such forces?"

Assassin smiled slowly. "I am..."

I felt so many varying emotions after reading this.
I actually went through so many I was thinking of my "this actually isn't that bad cause we can analyze the wagon now" speech for when people called me bad.

[Servant Foreigner]

VOTE: Shielder

[Servant Foreigner]

@mod How does the first elimination reset our post count or do we have 60 pages for both eliminations?

We also as a group we need to decide how long we need to eliminate for the first time, since the deadline is shared I think we should do it in 6 days, I think the second elimination should take less time.

[Servant Foreigner]

Awww never lucky.

6 days, 40 pages for the first elim.
4 days, 20 pages for the second elim.

I like this pacing myself but we can let assassin decide.

[Servant Foreigner]

Aww I missed the fun game how boring.

[Servant Foreigner]

MOON CANCER
LANCER
BEAST
RULER

Scum
Scum
Town
Scum

RIDER
SHIELDER
CASTER
ARCHER

Town
Scum
Town
Scum

SABER
AVENGER
ALTER EGO
BERSERKER
FOREIGNER

Town
Town
Town
Town
Town


In real time I can't say I'd put 3/4 people as scum in the first group, I only did it knowing I had so many town on the rest of the lists.

[Servant Foreigner]

How many people actually think Ruler is scum in a scenario where a gun isn't being held to your head?

Looking for people actively scum reading that slot rathet than just not town reading.

Honestly I have the same reads even without the gun to my head. Even though you think I am altering my reads out of fear of being shot in this game I am not, those are just my reads.

Let's be honest people only have 3-4 scum reads in a forced environement which is odd, we have to pull the trigger on some people we are unsure about eventually. Please do not look at the first letter of each sentence in this post.

[Servant Foreigner]

I have a headache and am taking a break for the night.
Sorry everyone.

[Servant Foreigner]

@other scumbuddies you should pile on right now to confuse the vca people

Ty for posting this in both the thread and the scum PT, I wasn't logged on this account.

VOTE: Archer

[Servant Foreigner]

@other scumbuddies you should pile on right now to confuse the vca people

Ty for posting this in both the thread and the scum PT, I wasn't logged on this account.

VOTE: Archer

[Servant Foreigner]

I am not upset that post in particular was the one that decided to double up.

[Servant Foreigner]

This game is weird because I have 2 alt guesses, but both of them are players that I don't think play on site right now.
Does anyone know if Cabd sent out invites for this game?

[Servant Foreigner]

I see no reason to not do the above.

[Servant Foreigner]

I feel pretty strongly about the following reads.

Caster/Beast/AE/

Assassin

/Avenger For Town.
Shielder/

Archer

For Scum

Everything else is going to come across as bullshit until I find something I like, and as games tend to progress I get stingy about what those things are.

[Servant Foreigner]

Town can be wrong, but the shielder wagon was not led by scum.

It is now.

VOTE: Shielder

[Servant Foreigner]

some of you may have noticed that i was not on the archer wagon. i could have been on the archer wagon, but had i been those of you inclined to think im scum would have thought i was simply bussing.

I dont think there was much to be learned from me being on the wagon, so i sat it out (despite it being on someone i stated a scumread on pretty early)

. whats interesting is who else was off-wagon. i think the elim was kinda inevitable so scum could easily have bussed, yet most of my scumreads were off-wagon. interesting.

Town don't think this.

[Servant Foreigner]

Adding multiple levels of self awareness doesn't magically make it townie. Scum bait out experience levels all the time on anon accounts, and I feel the only argument in his favor is his scummy actions are a result of a lack of experience.

If it was a stupid thought process that bad players actually think, sure why not. But no one goes "haha time to not vote my scum read because it won't breed good information".

[Servant Foreigner]

town dont think strategically? it didnt matter one iota whether or not i was on that wagon. i dont see why me explaining my reasoning should suddenly make it scummy either.

What was the gain?

Information is a really vague term and feels more like a buzz word then anything else. What do you think of the people on the wagon and why does 1 more vote make a difference in order to help you sort.

[Servant Foreigner]

You don't think the non-confident townie who is super worried about fucking up isn't constantly thinking about how to not look scummy, and then bringing it up asking if that was okay to do!?!

YOU THINK THAT PATTERN MATCHES WRONG? YOU THINK THAT'S SCUM, REALLY?

God.

I mean it wasn't about looking scummy it was about gaining "information". And I am not sure what information they were trying to gain.

People bait out experience levels in anon games all the time.
Not sure why you think an experienced player couldn't fake something like that.

I don't think that's a thought process someone has, which isn't even related to the other issue of how scummy it is.

[Servant Foreigner]

If you take everyone's stated skill levels and personalities at face value then idk.
Sounds like a good way to lose an anon game.

[Servant Foreigner]

Adding multiple levels of self awareness doesn't magically make it townie. Scum bait out experience levels all the time on anon accounts, and I feel the only argument in his favor is his scummy actions are a result of a lack of experience.

If it was a stupid thought process that bad players actually think, sure why not. But no one goes "haha time to not vote my scum read because it won't breed good information".

well you'd be right if the archer elim wasnt inevitable. if we were in the scumhunting phase then my vote should be on scummy people. but archer was getting elimed there 100%. so it doesnt really matter whether i vote there or not.

But you just fucking said the composition was important
I can't deal with this person they're like a caricature of a scum aligned player

^^^

I don't think the thought process is real. Not that the thought process is scummy.
I think it's a statement that doesn't actually make sense and even if it did it would still be scummy in a vacuum from a completely random player.

[Servant Foreigner]

Can someone please confirm the following.
They are a town player without the ability to make someone else a master?

Because I don't think anyone has done that, and that's still a scum slip on top of the 101 scummy things they have done.
I am trying to drop it because everyone is saying I am role fishing but like I hard scum read the slot for play and I really just want to make this easy on myself.

[Servant Foreigner]

Can someone please confirm the following.
They are a town player without the ability to make someone else a master?

Because I don't think anyone has done that, and that's still a scum slip on top of the 101 scummy things they have done.
I am trying to drop it because everyone is saying I am role fishing but like I hard scum read the slot for play and I really just want to make this easy on myself.

Like as soon as the game started I said "It makes perfect sense for scum not to be able to make someone else a master".
Then Shielder played like scum.
Then scum flipped having a with a master ability but not the ability to hand it on.

I only refrained from hard pushing it because I was worried it wouldn't even be labelled "with a master for scum".

[Servant Foreigner]

If someone is playing like scum and people won't listen.
Then I can and will argue they scum slipped.

I didn't remember the scum slip until I tried to make a better case btw.

[Servant Foreigner]

If someone could vouch it's not a scum slip, I think someone would have done it as well.
The entire way they entered the day doesn't make sense.

Why do people on this site hate eliminating scum.

[Servant Foreigner]

Can someone please confirm the following.
They are a town player without the ability to make someone else a master?

Because I don't think anyone has done that, and that's still a scum slip on top of the 101 scummy things they have done.
I am trying to drop it because everyone is saying I am role fishing but like I hard scum read the slot for play and I really just want to make this easy on myself.

I see it as possible their role is different. Especially as Shielder is one of the special servants in flavor. What I do find odd is them changing their story to being able to chain once.

A common scum mentality is "just slightly alter your real role pm". Which would justify going against the fake claim.

I don't think it's impossible the scum team is just bad and either didn't check in the scum PT before claiming in thread.
Like Shielder claiming that as soon as he replaced in is a huge deal in terms of that mistake happening.

[Servant Foreigner]

I mean he was caught for play and this role pm stuff was brought up after the fact.
It's just helping seal the deal really.

[Servant Foreigner]

I mean he was caught for play and this role pm stuff was brought up after the fact.
It's just helping seal the deal really.

I moved my vote back more quickly than I usually would on the strength of him failing to define "negative" Not that, this means I'm right about this though. If he usually gives fake claims, he probably gave fake claims. Sorry for the derail.

I am saying he didn't check all 4 of his fake claims and notice the connection.
It's not information available in the game mechanics and he could have easily posted before looking at the scum PT.

Shielder did that as soon as he replaced in.

And again I remembered this after already being pretty committed to voting him.

AND we still have 0 confirmation from anyone else that is actually possible.

This shouldn't be this hard to push ngl

[Servant Foreigner]

Idk so you think the following 2 conditions are true.

That a town player would not vote someone for "information" then argue later the wagon didn't matter because of how inevitable it was.
The wide range of other scummy things come from town.
In addition, this oddly scummy townie ended up with Cabd's only red herring town role pm.

Because these are the 2 conditions needed for shielder to be town and I don't buy it.

[Servant Foreigner]

Sorry, I don't want to out why I've gone MIA as it may pertain to my main.
But I have a good reason to not be posting and may continue to not post for probably another 48 hours.

[Servant Foreigner]

Caster wagon is pretty bad, not the people on it, outside shielder of course.
But it just isn't going to hit scum.

[Servant Foreigner]

I think if Shielder flips scum (highly likely)
And Caster flips town (also highly likely)

Berserker's positioning is that of scum. I am just not going to act on it now because I can't pretend my read accuracy is perfect.

[Servant Foreigner]

Why did the player whose logic to avoid being voted was "Let me avoid voting on the obvious scum wagon because it'll be too scummy if I get on, and then tell everyone that was my thought process" lie about their role pm?

Likely a similar logic point.

I cannot see a good argument for how scum plays like this. This player, if you'll notice, was asked by me if they wanted help learning how to play after this game ended.

A thing I plan on taking up with them, given they SAID YES.

Now, consider this.

A player who is open to coaching and knows they are playing badly/are uncomfortable with the game.

If they have access to a scum QT.

Why are they not using it to be told what to say and how to react?

They're not scum. They simply cannot be scum here. I do not have faith Taylor Swift has enough 6D chess moves in them to fake this.

They are simply inexperienced and trying their best not to die, and in the act of doing this, made bad choices thinking it would help them not die.

It's as simple as that.

This entire post is just shit, the explanation is simple, they didn't read their fake claim because some scum just likes to truthfully claim their role to avoid fucking up. This is especially true for inexperienced scum which is the entire argument we have at hand.
It has no town motivation even if you want to argue it has no scum motivation. And random lies that with no motivation that happen to line up with claiming the contents of a scum PM is pretty iffy to me.

The blatant attempt here to grasp at straws is actually kind of impressive.

[Servant Foreigner]

I mean Berserker's main is apparent to me.
And I don't think I can beat them in a 1v1.

So I guess if you guys want to be terrible and not eliminate Shielder that's fine.

But I am literally laying out 3/4 members of the scum team for you guys to take.

[Servant Foreigner]

I feel like shit, I don't want to play this game, so I lurk out for a bit of time, and every time I give this thread any amount of space we shift away from doing the right things like eliminating Shielder.
To doing awful things like listening to the biggest reach case by Berserker on them being town?

At least if you miselim someone that wasn't Caster I could at least lurk through the miselim knowing I probably wouldn't have let the slot live long term anyway.

[Servant Foreigner]

I mean Berserker's main is apparent to me.
And I don't think I can beat them in a 1v1.

i have been trying really hard not to say this but if you're just gonna put it out there

I mean I don't think I am outing anything, it's a loose description of "I can't beat them in a 1v1", I don't want to talk about this and actually end up leaking something though.

Unless my main gets called out in which case I am just going to start opening fire.

[Servant Foreigner]

My lurking has literally nothing to do with this game.
It just so happens that doing bad things as town even for the right reasons has the ability to hurt you.

[Servant Foreigner]

Sorry, I don't want to out why I've gone MIA as it may pertain to my main.
But I have a good reason to not be posting and may continue to not post for probably another 48 hours.

^

[Servant Foreigner]

Like seriously making it my fucking problem that you don't wanna play is a shitty emotional burden to put on me.

You just said you don't wanna play. So either fucking stop doing this garbage or don't play then.

Sorry you think my recent string of posting was about you, I really just feel like shit oog, and specifically, my comment saying "I scum read you irl" awhile back was 100% out of line so I can see why you think I have malice towards you as a person. I think I can make comments in regards to my irl and how I think stepping away is giving players I believe are scum more control but I agree it probably wasn't clear those were exclusive ideas.

[Servant Foreigner]

I don't see how 1905 is a personal attack no matter how many times I reread it ngl.

[Servant Foreigner]

How was shielder even supposed to get the idea that "I cannot pass master to another player" was a viable fake claim.
When they claimed as soon as they replaced in.

This is the other reason I don't particularly see why they would want to fake claim as town there. They just joined the game and the immidaite thought of fake claiming to stay alive is more something scum would do then something town would.

[Servant Foreigner]

Like idk, if I saw everyone say "I can do this thing, does anyone have the ability to not do it?"
"Oh I can't do it "

That's just not what I'd fake claim to try and get a small advantage as town if I thought I was in a bad spot?
I am basing most of this on the assumption Shielder read little to none of the game but I think with or without full game knowledge it doesn't look good for them.

[Servant Foreigner]

Can someone answer the following question for me, it's something that is bugging me even in regards to reading the Shielder wagon.

If you were on a team with Shielder how would you approach the day phase? Preferably my town reads should answer this because I don't really want the wifomy answers of my scum reads explaining the opposite of what they are currently doing lol.

[Servant Foreigner]

Personally my approach would probably be awkwardly bury them while staying at the very backline of the wagon.
I wouldn't want to be the center piece of pushing them down because I think that would be negative attention.

Although I would never defend them either, this is mainly due to my reads as scum to just be a mirror of town conensus using my own made up reasoning.

[Servant Foreigner]

I'd just like to apologize to Berserker I think I crossed a line this game regardless of how I feel about your alignment in game.

My reads are the following.
Caster/Beast/AE/Avenger For Town.
Shielder -> Berserker (dependant on Casters flip, a Shielder town flip is a good look but not amazing, Casters scum flip borderline clears Berserker)

[Servant Foreigner]

Where should I start reading from? Don't say the start.

[Servant Foreigner]

I did a bit of reading, it seems we're split between burning Servant Caster and Servant Shielder right now. I don't strongly lean one way over the other from what I've read.

Where should I start reading from? Don't say the start.

The start.

Or just vote shielder

I already am.

Do you think there are zero investigative abilities in this game or something?

Nice role fishing buddy. I recommend this question not be answered by Servant Alter Ego

[Servant Foreigner]

I'm not asking you to respect me, I'm asking you to stop role fishing.

[Servant Foreigner]

My problem is the way you framed this - it shouldn't have ever been painted as a question to Servant Alter Ego. You could have simply said 'flavor won't match because there are likely to be investigative roles in the game' and that would have carried the same meaning without it seeming like you were angling for information based on a response.

[Servant Foreigner]

2. The claim of being a commuter with a friend. According to Shielder, they can commute both themselves and another player but that any actions targeting Shielder go through. This makes no sense. If that's the case, they're not commuting themselves, but force commuting someone else. If there's some kind of caveat (e.g. Shielder themselves cannot be killed but can be targeted by investigatives/protects/whatever) it's unclear what that is. It is clear, however, that some caveat exists, or Shielder would have simply said "I commute other people".

I'd like all of you to examine your abilities vs. the flavor of your chosen servant on the FGO wiki to see if Shielder's claim is im/plausible.

No you misunderstand.

Shielder is claiming that both themself and another player are fully commuted, but that the other player who is commuted can still affect Shielder with actions

[Servant Foreigner]

So, I did some digging around into Shielder's claim. I'd like to do a nice side by side comparison, but I lack the desire to make infographics so text will have to do. This is the first of several posts about the topics at hand and has been broken up so as not to wall anyone to death.

Exalted Impervious Wall of Snowflakes: commute 1 other player together that night, me and them are immune to all but what they target me with can still go through (Shielder claim)
Exalted Impervious Wall of Snowflakes: Increases party's defense for 3 turns. Reduces party's damage taken by 2000 for 1 attack. (FGO Wiki, found here.)

Obscurant Wall of Chalk One-shot: target 1 player they get a noble phantasm charge and are jailkept for 1 night (Shielder claim)
Obscurant Wall of Chalk: Grants one ally's Invincibility for 1 turn. Charges their NP gauge. (FGO Wiki, found here.)

Shield of Rousing Resolution: if 7 or more townies are alive, I gain 2 noble phantasm charges instead of 1 at start of day phase. I think this is a passive ability (Shielder claim)
Shield of Rousing Resolution: 500% Chance to draw attention of all enemies to self for 1 turn. Increases own NP generation rate for 1 turn. (FGO Wiki, found here.)

Lord Camelot - Fortress of the Distant Utopia (****) when using this I dont lose charges. can talk during the night phase when used (Shielder claim)
Lord Camelot - Fortress of the Distant Utopia: Reduces party's damage taken for 3 turns. Increases party's attack by 30% except herself for 3 turns. Increases party's defense for 3 turns. (FGO Wiki, found here.)

The problems I have:

1. The flavor/game text does not line up well with the claimed abilities. Obscurant wall of chalk is fine, but the first ability, third ability, and noble phantasm do not. My roles and abilities match either the in game text or the name of the ability, and in my opinion the abilities claimed above do not. Shield of Rousing Resolution and Lord Camelot in particular strike me as odd. While SoRR has an NP gain component in it, its primary task is to redirect actions to the shielder (i.e. a taunt mechanic). It's also not a passive ability. Lord Camelot also is a very strange mechanic and has little to do with either the name or the in-game effect.

Shielder's claim seems to hold up to my scrutiny. I think all of the claimed abilities plausible to likely, with the exception of Lord Camelot - Fortress of the Distant Utopia, which I see as unlikely... but confirmable

VOTE: Servant Caster

[Servant Foreigner]

Oh, and Foreigner, just so you know, I'm confirmed town. Don't know if you've picked up on that or not.

Yeah I saw, I read through what you linked to me.

[Servant Foreigner]

No, I've got a good grasp on the game mechanics now.

[Servant Foreigner]

UNVOTE: Servant Caster

They seem... pretty town. I'm not excited to be ousting shielder at this point either. Rider seems fine to me from what I've read, would not vote. Might need to read Ruler and Lancer.

[Servant Foreigner]

I'm not excited to be ousting shielder at this point either.

...why

Nothing I've seen so far makes me think they're more likely to be scum than town

[Servant Foreigner]

...And how much have you read?

Since around the claim. Mostly Shielder #3, it would seem. And I read after Archer elim and the master vote

[Servant Foreigner]

...And how much have you read?

Because, I don't mean to sound patronizing, but if you're a recent sub in who's not up to speed, then it's a good idea to let the town who's been here the whole time fucking drive for a minute

Are you really getting upset with me for having a different opinion than yours?

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I think this defense of Shielder from Moon Cancer looks good for Moon Cancer. Maybe I'm biased, because I kind of agree with what they are saying.

With that being said... I don't see the general consensus on Shielder ever changing short of their flip or role actions, and there doesn't seem to be much else to talk about, so I'm ready to hammer.

Though I want to point out that Shielder

is

our doctor role. They're the guy who would keep Assassin alive on night 3 and beyond

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VOTE: Shielder

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Do you want me to answer that?

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I mean, you can answer it if you want, I don't care.

Lancer does seem genuine to me, just from recent posts

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I don't think Caster is scum either.

I'm just messing around with the previous post. Assassin, who were you saying you'd suspect today, the [redacted].

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Moon Cancer, claim your full action list from last night including results from abilities. Or die.

There's a third option. I ignore you and don't die.

It sounds like Berserker is saying he did something with your action that he suspects lead to the no-kill

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VOTE: Lancer

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I support Moon Cancer claiming

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I support Moon Cancer claiming

With my vote if needed

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She clearly doesn't have any sort of guilty on me.

I don't believe that she is town faking a guilty, so the options are they do have something or they're scum

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Claim or I'm voting you Moon Cancer

I can think of things you wouldn't think of beyond roleblocker and actions succeeding

You claiming isn't devastating if you're town

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I'm asking you to stop role fishing.

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So claim it

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In my head, Moon Cancer is at B-2

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Okay. Because I got some attribute info when I was elected and was very concerned until I looked up stuff on the wiki. I'll let this play out but

no E-1

until everyone's had a chance to check in and I decide who I'm handing out a bonus to, can post reads, etc.

1) I don't need the bonus

2) I also have attribute info of some sort

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Also the fact that I could just claim to clear up the entire mess should tell you how weak her "guilty" actually is.

That's what we want you to do

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I mean every single one of your scum reads outside of Archer is incorrect.

And how do you know that?

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So tell me why I should care about what you're doing right now.

I will burn you if you don't claim by the time Assassin and Avenger are done with their red tape

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Looking at the votes on Caster yesterday is what I'm doing and of those, Saber's feels the least valid to me.

Great. Help me flip Caster tmo and then we can argue if I was bussing or not.

Why are you still convinced that caster is mafia?

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I haven't seen Ruler actually say anything.

Lancer was a vote because he definitely falls in my bottom 3 of my reads. I don't have strong scumreads but he's down there.

Assassin talking about Saber seemed pretty convincing to me

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Big shrug.
Do you have a read on Rider?

Rider seemed town to me when he was talking about shielder's claim.

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This game really might be super swingy.

My role has anti-swing in it. It didn't come into effect because we burned Archer day 1.

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I don't have any specific feelings about burning Saber

Need to go back and review Ruler because that pop-in bothered me

They don't really give any opinion. They liked your wall post.

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I don't remember or didn't see what Berserker's reaction to Moon Cancer was, but I'm assuming it was good?

VOTE: Ruler

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After you pushed them and they claimed a part of their role

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There was still mysteriously no kill last night, is it really that bad to kill two people today?

Thinking Ruler scum Caster town as of now

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Just do what you're comfortable with.
Lancer doesn't seem super scummy, he just seems out of place in a scummy way in contrast to Rider who is out of place in a townie way.

Yeah I'm not so sure that Lancer is scum as of right now, I'd sooner vote Saber here

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That's 1 away from an elim