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[Gentleman 8]

i only really use PTs to blog about my day

i don't really think it's so bad to mostly play the game in thread? the only reason to have private discussions in this setup is if you wanted to air out ideas that you weren't sure should be in the main thread (like super secret scum reads or just if you want a second opinion from someone before you most some inane rant about how you've spent all day googling "evil seals" and you're now convinced lady 6 is scum for reasons) or you just want to talk to your partner without it flooding the game thread

[Gentleman 8]

it's not inconsistent with an idea he expressed earlier in the game (that couples should be voted out instead of leaving)

"VCA" is kind of weak with 2 scum alive in 16 players though, plus a self-vote

(admittedly, part of the reason i'm not throwing my vote around is because i think there's probably more information to be gained from any wagon that goes through without my participation, but i wouldn't put that under the category of "VCA" and it also doesn't explain the self-vote)

[Gentleman 8]

i can't actually find where you talk about why you think gentleman 5 and gentleman 9 look terrible, but at least you've been consistent about it :/

also, my understanding is that people were delaying a vote on your pair because we were waiting for gentleman 3 to show up, not because it stagnated

[Gentleman 8]

i dunno, why are you asking me? im voting for the scummiest couple already

i was just pointing out it's not that your wagon stagnated, it's just that people are waiting for something else to happen before voting you (or at least that's what i understood from, for example, lady 7's unvote

[Gentleman 8]

if she said yes, would you do it?

[Gentleman 8]

well we won't actually see if she doesn't say yes? that's kind of why i asked

[Gentleman 8]

well, im just going to put it out there...

i admire your extreme optimism if youre actually thinking shes gonna rock up and be like "yes, of course, who wouldn't do that?"

what answer are you really expecting here?

[Gentleman 8]

Every hang after yours will be a nontrivial decision and it's hard for me to read into the motivations of G5 because I feel like your pair was always going to be pushed by town and scum.

Could we spill wine on people's tuxes so they have to go home and change instead of hanging them

ahem...

my ball, my rules

there will be no hanging, but there will also be no wastage of wine (and you should consider yourself unbelievably lucky that you are not being drawn and quartered for even suggesting that)

people who leave the dance will be given a set of crayons and a roll of parchment and will be asked to spend the rest of the dance helping gentleman 7 draw a picture book about seals in the corner over there. i hear he's just finished storyboarding his "epic masterpiece" as he calls it and is currently working on the first draft but is in desperate need of artists

[Gentleman 8]

did gentleman 3 say he had something super interesting and amazing to say or are we just waiting for him because hes mysterious and handsome?

[Gentleman 8]

if it's just because lady 6 is lonely without a dance partner, well uh... i know a certain gentleman who's currently sitting in a corner and has a... mild interest in seals, to put it lightly

maybe we can organise something

[Gentleman 8]

i mean, that was clearly lady 7? how are people so lost about who said that rofl

[Gentleman 8]

so, uh... what are lady 2's thoughts on the gentleman 2 / lady 4 pairing?

(i actually dont know where lady 2 stands on most people now that i think about it)

[Gentleman 8]

Who will lead the town now?

what do you mean?

it's not me who alt-slipped, dude

[Gentleman 8]

that looks a bit like a town "ah" but i can't be certain

[Gentleman 8]

hey mr gentleman 1, could you talk a bit about your thoughts on gentleman 2 and lady 4, and maybe talk a bit more about why you think lady 1 is the most likely to be scum?

[Gentleman 8]

ok

let's try this again...

could you maybe talk about

why

you think lady 1 is the most likely to be scum?

(and also it would be nice if you could focus more on the couple that, you know, has a pretty substantial wagon going for them over others, but i guess you do you)

@gentleman 1

[Gentleman 8]

oh, i missed gentleman 2 replying to me... i was just persisting with my questioning there because i found it to be interesting in contrast to his "never leave, always use votes" mentality

i was mostly trying to figure out how he reconciled the internal inconsistency and what he was going to do with any answer he got from lady 8

[Gentleman 8]

well i don't think he actually expected lady 8 to say yes either

so it's kind of a silly question to ask if he is town

unless he was starting to get suspicious of lady 8? but uh, that's a question that i think is going to be very helpful in figuring out someone's alignment and it doesn't look like that's why he was asking it

so i guess i'm just back to thinking it is internally inconsistent and probably just an i-think-town-might-say-something-like-this-maybe thing

[Gentleman 8]

i have already left an incredibly insightful last will and testament in my PT

i have to set an example as the super duper helpful town leader and stuff, right?

i am just such a good role model

[Gentleman 8]

WHO ASKS THAT THOUGH

WHO THE FUCK ASKS THAT

sssshhhhhh, we aren't allowed to talk about who's who in this game yet, gentleman 1. save that for post-game

[Gentleman 8]

he's trying to outdo my seal theory

not sure i like having competition

[Gentleman 8]

i forgot to mention, giving gentleman 3 (expired on 2020-08-06 23:19:00) (3 days since his last post) before i just say don't bother waiting, let's get a flip going

[Gentleman 8]

3 is close enough to 2 that they're basically the same number so whatever the countdown says

[Gentleman 8]

probably doing an ISO of gentleman 7 without context isn't that helpful for relational tells

though that reminds me of how weird gentleman 7's proposal to lady 4 was

hmm

[Gentleman 8]

i don't really know how gentleman 7 would or wouldn't treat his scum partners

i think it's a bit silly to guess without one more flip

if there was a bit more depth to his interactions, it'd be a different matter, but there really is no depth to almost all his interactions. mentions here and there, but other than the fixation on lady 6 and the eventual 3-player group at the end, there's nothing there but weak mentions of other players

the only real conclusion i think we've all agreed upon with regards to gentleman 7 is that he's probably the kind of guy who could recite the wikipedia page for seals by heart. he's probably contributed to it a great many times himself. he's probably rather strict about removing any criticism of seals being less than perfect, too

[Gentleman 8]

i don't have any certainty about gentleman 4 or lady 2's alignment, but i currently think there's more likely to be scum in the gentleman 2 / lady 4 couple

i'm warming up to gentleman 4, i guess

i don't really know what lady 2 really thinks about anything but i don't know if that means she's scum

[Gentleman 8]

lady 7,

do you think gentleman 2 and lady 4 are town based on something they've written or based on stuff you're reading in gentleman 7's ISO?

[Gentleman 8]

if gentleman 2 voluntarily leaves the dance, i would be willing to listen to and push his strongest read in this game (be it town or scum)

i want to hear if gentleman 2 will consider that offer

[Gentleman 8]

G2 minorly from what he's written and his approach to his death; accepting it and trying to die in the most protown way.

sorry, what? where?

L4 is from G7's ISO. If G7 was struggling, he's not likely to link himself to someone who is "not good" unless he knew L4 would reject it.

he, uh, didn't really have many choices at the time?

pretty much everyone else was partnered up when that happened (which is why the context matters)

[Gentleman 8]

i think you're grossly misinterpreting gentleman 2's intent there, lady 7, and i don't believe he suddenly changed his tune and decided that actually leaving is a good thing when it was a bad thing only a short while ago

i don't really believe he is going to leave even if people want him to

though since he has suggested it, i am interested to hear whether he would or wouldn't accept the offer i made for a couple reasons

[Gentleman 8]

i just want to hear what gentleman 2 thinks about this (unless he addressed it in recent pages and i missed it, not really reading atm, busy)

if gentleman 2 voluntarily leaves the dance, i would be willing to listen to and push his strongest read in this game (be it town or scum)

i want to hear if gentleman 2 will consider that offer

[Gentleman 8]

hm

that's pretty much what i expected you to say if you're scum :/ :\ :/

[Gentleman 8]

What did you expect me to say as town?

with how you're playing and the things you're saying, i thought you would have had much more conviction about either gentleman 5 or gentleman 9 being scum tbh

i asked partly because i wanted to see whether you'd agree IF you had a strong conviction, but i was more trying to gauge how strong your convictions were because, well, everything you've been saying seemed to suggest you felt pretty strongly about your reads

either i've been misinterpreting your posts about your scum reads pretty hard or you never really had the conviction you seemed to have

[Gentleman 8]

to be clear, i thought if you were town you'd either say:

"i agree, ME AND YOU GENTLEMAN 5, DEATH PACT" or maybe "i don't think it's wise to bet my life on it, but i do feel really, really strongly about gentleman 5 being scum. probably the strength of that read is stronger than the love gentleman 7 has for seals."

i figured if you're scum, you'd side-step the issue unless you were confident i wouldn't say "do it and i'll listen"

[Gentleman 8]

also i've been mulling over why you made lady 8 that offer and really the only conclusion i came to is that you never expected her to say yes so you never had to worry about it and you were just saying it to look like you were willing to sacrifice your life over your beliefs

i've been trying to think about whether you'd have said that as town, especially after all your stuff about how we should vote out instead of leaving, and i just can't reconcile your supposed willingness to leave with other things you've said about it, ergo i think it was just an act

[Gentleman 8]

unlike lady 8 though, you clearly know that i could fully say "yes, do it" so yeah, i expected you to side step it as opposed to give me a direct answer

[Gentleman 8]

lady 3 always looks so happy and i can't help but smile when i see her post

then lady 1 posts and... ... ...

[Gentleman 8]

or consider it from another perspective...

if he didn't do any of that, he was 100% flipping today

what do you think he would have done as scum to prevent that?

"but gentleman 8, he could also be town who's doing that!!!"

yes, i know

that is why i'm trying to look at each action and think about whether it makes sense, whether it's internally consistent, whether i really believe he thinks the things he thinks, rather than generalise and say "he is doing stuff town would do so he's town"

[Gentleman 8]

that is why i'm trying to look at each action and think about whether it makes sense, whether it's internally consistent, whether i really believe he thinks the things he thinks, rather than generalise and say "he is doing stuff town would do so he's town"

This also applies to gent 4 right now

ok?

i don't really think what they're doing is quite the same, but i'm not really town reading gentleman 4 (or his partner) and i don't know if i will at any point in this game

so, uh... thanks for the tip, i suppose?

[Gentleman 8]

well i am doing that, yes

i think gentleman 2 is more likely to be scum than gentleman 4 and would prefer flipping that couple first

the main point i was making was really that i don't really see gentleman 2's actions as being inherently town in any way like lady 8 suggests because
a. i don't agree that scum would choose to just lay down and die, and
b. if you think he's town for not laying down and dying, then how do you explain the self-voting shenanigans?

[Gentleman 8]

also i have more issues with things about gentleman 2's play than i do with gentleman 4's play overall i think...

other than the recent stuff, i think the complete lack of progression with regards to reads is really odd if gentleman 2 is town

the most obvious example is his unwavering town read on lady 4, which i _believe_ started because he thought scum had left three townies in the pre-dance. this was obviously false. i see no point in the game where it looked like gentleman 2 went "oh, i guess i was wrong, i need to think about what that means about lady 4" - nope, instead it's complete confidence that she's town. why? they haven't been using their PT, so it can't be private communications, and i do not believe it's based on lady 4's posts, so why was there never even the suspicion that lady 4 chose him over gentleman 7 as an act of bussing? or what is the actual reason he's so very, very confident?

you could arguably say something similar about, for example, gentleman 4's read on his partner, but the key difference is there was never some foundation-shattering event that should have made him question the read like should have been the case with gentleman 2

anyway, i don't really want to go into full-on case mode here, so i'll just leave it at that. either people see it or they don't

i'd prefer flipping gentleman 2 before others (and i think there's a non-zero chance that it actually ends the game, even if i don't have much confidence in that) but i don't really care enough to make a big deal out of it if people disagree

[Gentleman 8]

i think the difference is i'm not anywhere near as convinced one of gentleman 4 and lady 2 is scum, even if i have issues with both

and i think i need to see how gentleman 2 and lady 4 flip before i can really go back and evaluate things at this point

or i need someone to convince me why i'm very, very wrong about the things i'm thinking seem like things that wouldn't come from gentleman 2 if he's town

im kind of skipping a lot of recent information and i want to actually sit down and read some things before i jump off my fence and place a vote on not-me

just finished "working" so guess ill get around to it soon

[Gentleman 8]

sometimes you say things lady 3 and i wish i could read and understand them but i struggle

[Gentleman 8]

i feel like that one almost made sense to me

im getting there

[Gentleman 8]

well, i think lady 2 is more likely to be town than not

anyone think she's scum? if so, why?

[Gentleman 8]

mod seems to have made a mistake with the flips?

[Gentleman 8]

tbh id be surprised if lady 3 is scum

tbh id be surprised if lady 7 is scum

the rest i am working through in my head atm

#controversialopinions

[Gentleman 8]

the list of people i wanted to prioritise sorting was gentleman 1 / gentleman 3 / lady 1

but i'm thinking about the strength of my others reads atm

[Gentleman 8]

hi im very nervous one of you is gonna rage leave in a fit of impulse and please don't do that okay?

is this directed at me? dw, im not that angry that fakegod trolled us with the flips

[Gentleman 8]

is the cancel button there what you press when you want to vote them out?

[Gentleman 8]

is having eyebrows a sign of being cold now?

not sure if i should be worried, i dont feel cold

[Gentleman 8]

how do you read gentleman 1?

not like, "what is your read?" but like "what tools are available to assist in reading that?" because im staring at his posts like a slowpoke and no inspiration has hit me

[Gentleman 8]

ya i dont _really_ know if i scrimmate her either but i think other people look more town?

if i could feel some assuredness that gentleman 1 was town i think this game would be a lot easier

[Gentleman 8]

i feel we could just start going BOOM and leave them alive and maybe lady 3's couple alive too because lady 3 is adorable

[Gentleman 8]

all the priority sorts i mentioned are basically "if i can get a town read on them then i'll feel comfortable about leaving that couple alive until later"

though i still have mild paranoia that my seal theory isn't... 100% correct?

[Gentleman 8]

oh im kinda less working for scum reads at the moment and more working for a poe list i guess

though i guess they go hand in hand kinda

[Gentleman 8]

maybe start with lady 1 and tell me what to think so i dont have to read

[Gentleman 8]

*readies popcorn*

[Gentleman 8]

the sad part is this game is plagued with replacements though only one person _actually_ replaced out and that was 5 pages in or whatever

anywho, i'm thinking of starting a betting pool on who gets force-replaced next

to enter, you must bid all your town credit, and the winner takes all

(you cannot bet on yourself)

[Gentleman 8]

is my pokedex entry just this tiny circle of green in the dead centre of the diamond thingy?

[Gentleman 8]

ahem... there's only room for one person who looks like a doofus in this game

[Gentleman 8]

you just wasted your question...

[Gentleman 8]

i dunno, i dont really think there's that much of an issue with what lady 1 is saying? at the very least, it's not like a scummy way of thinking?

if my kingdom was advanced enough to have invented guns and one was held to my head, id say lady 1 is town, but eh

[Gentleman 8]

i really want to figure out gentleman 1

part of me is reading his posts like "ok that kind of looks like something a newer town player might think or do" and the other part of me is basically setting off alarm bells every other time i read a post from him

for example, you know that thing gentleman 4 said scum does after a flip? literally what gentleman 1 did...

[Gentleman 8]

and i guess uh... im still trying to make sense of his reaction to gentleman 9 talking about the scum PT because while i could see a tone-deaf town player getting worked up about it, that'd usually be followed up with a vote? but it wasnt, so...? did he not actually think he'd found scum?

[Gentleman 8]

im hesitant to say anything im seeing means anything because i thought nothing gentleman 2 was saying or doing made much sense, but hey... that didn't mean it came from scum...

i mean, i double-checked with fakegod to be sure and he said that yes, he was certain that this time he didn't make a mistake but well i still dont fully trust that hes not just a massive troll

[Gentleman 8]

i do actually want to sit down and read some things in this game before im sent off to join gentleman 7 and inevitably end up arguing about whether aquariums even need any other animal when such a perfect specimen exists

but busy weekend

if i could gain some more confidence in certain pairs, id be pretty happy with just making other couples go KABLOOEY one by one

[Gentleman 8]

do what i do?

pull out the dartboard, put a blindfold on, and fate will lead us wherever it leads us

[Gentleman 8]

there were a few things that i think didn't make any sense from the perspective he was town. the self-voting plus reasoning for it didn't make sense, then the proposal to lady 8 about voluntarily leaving after being pretty strongly against the idea of any couples leaving (he wanted them voted out) didn't make sense to me. but also things like wanting to triple leave pre-dance "because three town flips are better than one", and his read progressions (for example, no suggestion that he went back and looked at his "all three of us left are town" reasoning after... that clearly wasn't the case) didn't make a lot of sense to me

but hey, i guess he was town who thought and did all those things

go figure

on an unrelated note, any time an account posts after alt-slipping, my first thought is "AAAAH zombie!"

it doesn't help that fakegod never announces the replacements until way after they've been replaced

[Gentleman 8]

oh, i had other reasons too but don't know that it's all that important to talk about it

weighed it all up against gentleman 7 interactions and said "yeah nah" basically

seems pretty fruitless going down this path unless you think it's going to help progress the game though

[Gentleman 8]

i'm not sure you can say anything in a 14:2 (now 12:2) game is going to be "scum driven", unless you think scum are in the loudest voices?

or you're just saying it's possible that one or two of the nine people who participated in the wagon could be scum? in which case i'd say "ok?" i wasn't voting and they weren't self-voting at the end, so 9/13 of the remaining players were on it and we had two people who weren't here (lady 2 V/LA and gentleman 3 who was MIA until just recently). odds are looking pretty good that there was scum somewhere there if you don't think it's just the people who weren't here?

[Gentleman 8]

conversely, at least 7 of the people on that wagon are town, so hardly "scum-driven"

[Gentleman 8]

i don't know if you can say anything about anyone "pushing really hard" (though arguably there were people who felt stronger about it than others)

most people (maybe all?) were pretty much all choosing between flipping gentleman 2/lady 4 or gentleman 4/lady 2 first (there were vanity wagons here and there but i don't think anyone outright disagreed with this idea)

it's not hard for scum to hide among that, but i'm not really sure that scum had much input in steering it in that direction

think it was more there were generally agreed upon town reads elsewhere for the most part, even if people had one or two scum reads outside of them

i'm currently considering the possibility that gentleman 4 and lady 2 are town and thinking about that, but i don't really have much confidence in that other than "feels townish in some posts i guess" so *shrug*

(need to sit down and read but doing other things this weekend)

[Gentleman 8]

on thinking about it, i would like gentleman 4 to towncase lady 2

also would like to hear what gentleman 9's thoughts on lady 3 are (preferably with a bit of detail why he thinks that

ill be home later to read stuff

[Gentleman 8]

speaking of which, i would like to hear gentleman 5's town case for lady 8 too

[Gentleman 8]

why?

oddly enough while i was organising thoughts in my PT earlier (i say organising, but actually it's just a whole bunch of spam that i'm forcing lady 5 to sift through because

i enjoy inflicting pain on her

i'm thinking about things), i actually said i thought i might end up wanting lady 1 and gentleman 6 to be the endgame pair lol

though i wanted to do some reading tonight before i gave a final judgment on that (but i didn't because... other priorities)

[Gentleman 8]

i want to shore up some reads (like i want to revisit gentleman 9 so i can be confident about that one)

i don't really think i want gentleman 1 to be in the endgame

and uh... still thinking about gentleman 3 and lady 6. starting to think that might actually be a town pair but not super confident

and uh... i started thinking gentleman 4 and lady 2 might be town but also need to do some reading there

[Gentleman 8]

actually i dont have any super good reason to call gentleman 3 town, i just wanted to go back and look at the circumstances around the lady 6 invite because im not really sure two scum both compete there? but i dont remember how it happened, ergo need to do some reading that i wont get around to for at least 8 hours or so (prob more)

[Gentleman 8]

ironically i think the most alignment-indicative interaction lady 2 had with gentleman 7 was saying "it was certainly an entrance" or whatever. dont really know why scum bothers commenting with that line about a partner who is being criticised in the way gentleman 7 was after his entrance. feel like they're more likely to take a stance or ignore the criticism over saying something like that, but this isn't super strong

also kind of feel like gentleman 7 might have been saying something true when he said whatever it was about not trusting men

(still all stuff im remembering off the top of my head, i may not be remembering details correctly so need to read back)

[Gentleman 8]

Ah fuck we gotta do it together don't we

dawwww, the dere side of her tsundere attitude

"i-it's not like i wanna write a case on gentleman 3 with you, baka!"

[Gentleman 8]

since last time you were here, lots of stuff went down

lots of people posted

2 of them are scum

summary done. you are welcome

[Gentleman 8]

even apart from other issues with "the rule of 3", using it is silly when there were literally only 4 people he could have chosen (and one of them, lady 5, he apparently forgot)

like it was about why lady 6, one of 5 ladies who weren't already in a couple at the time, was better than the others...

[Gentleman 8]

his avatar looks town and he seems townish

[Gentleman 8]

does gentleman 9 think lady 3 is town? and to what level of certainty?

[Gentleman 8]

the dude who is garbage at scum and hates playing it?

never heard of him

what about him?

[Gentleman 8]

who do you think is scum, gentleman 3?

[Gentleman 8]

i was gonna put a tinfoil hat on that one and then i was like "wait then i'll have to do a tin foil hat shadow" and said screw it cbf

[Gentleman 8]

tbh it's probably a more appropriate metaphor for my attitude towards this game so far

ill try to stop being lazy and sit down and read stuff soon

[Gentleman 8]

L7blue
L6dewgong
G5boromir
G3sherlock
G4tennis
G9banana
L2rosa
G6bowler
L1cry
L8ghos
G1nagito

G3sherlock is underwhelming just now
I only feel strongly about my top 2 reads

uh...

hmmm...

my first thought when reading this list was "where's lady 3, she's pretty town" and then i was like "oh... oh, yeah, that makes sense"

... this is who you have as confirmed town in this game. does this depress you?

[Gentleman 8]

g7 asks l6 to dance
l6 says not if you're the last man on earth
g3 asks l6 to dance

it's not a competition

hey... i uh... explicitly told my dear partner that i was just remembering something off the top of my head and i needed to check the timeline of events and that i hadn't read the game

she's just scum who's blatantly misrepresenting me or something

*shrug*

[Gentleman 8]

to do list:

figure out whether gentleman 9 is town
figure out whether gentleman 5 is town

then uh... work backwards from there i guess

[Gentleman 8]

the thing with gentleman 4 and lady 2 is i don't really ever see people thinking theyre endgame-couple material so i dont really care that much about sorting them. i'll try look for scum elsewhere for now since uh... they'll likely either get voted out today or be one of the first on the chopping board tomorrow? not sure if this makes sense but even if i really do think they could be town, i probably can't find strong enough reasons to convince other people so not like it matters lol

i'm kinda just gonna assume they're town for the sake of it at the moment and try to figure out where the scum is in the other couples maybe. and if gentleman 4 or lady 2 or both end up being scum then yay i guess?

[Gentleman 8]

i dont know how to play monopoly

that's the game where you're meant to get angry and flip the board over after like an hour right?

[Gentleman 8]

she is suggesting we just dont vote anyone and no one leaves i believe

[Gentleman 8]

our PT is a mess, my only advice is don't read it post-game

[Gentleman 8]

she means apart from the flipped players and her/me

@gentleman 5

(note: this isn't anything to do with what i'm thinking, it's just how she's thinking about the game)

[Gentleman 8]

why is G5 scummy other than being off wagon and why is he scummier than L2?

i, uh, don't know but there was something about uh... IF gentleman 5 is scum, something something something and that makes other people more likely town or something... and lady 2 is dead null for her

OK but like, I was pushing gent 2 earlier. Why does my vote being off at the time matter?

*shrug*

Is lady 5 aware that my own reads are very close, or basically the same, as Lady 8's?

*shrug*

[Gentleman 8]

Also yeah, you wrote a lot there but the only reason you're voting me is because I wasn't voting gent 2 when they were eliminated?

*shrug*

not sure why it really matters to you? she's probably not going to be around after intermission so uh... who cares?

[Gentleman 8]

oh right, i forget people play differently to me and actually care about dead people's reads lol

(though apparently not enough to care about the currently deceased players)

[Gentleman 8]

I doubt you'd ignore lady 5 if you were in my position?

probably would ignore it actually

i uh... have never been someone who makes it on many town lists for... certain reasons... so i tend to ignore scum reads on me unless the reasoning stands out as something i want to ask about to get a read on someone? like i'd only ask as a means of better reading someone

*shrug*

dont think id ever ask, say, a confirmed town player (or someone who's likely to eat a bullet at night) why they think i'm scum unless i thought it was likely others would follow their lead and i wanted to dismantle that

(which reminds me, gentleman 3 did that too...)

[Gentleman 8]

i guess i just dont see the point in taking up space in a game thread asking someone why they think i'm scum unless it leads to me thinking about them differently or it prevents others voting me, but that's a theory point that doesn't matter so much so whatever

[Gentleman 8]

I mean, I don't want people to vote for me

yeah it looks like a lot of people were swayed by lady 5's rock solid flawless case on you

i guess i understand your concern

But really.. you want to vote out everyone who wasn't on wagon, and if there's no scum off the wagon.. that means..... scum was on the wagon? Okay then

*shrug* i'm not saying it makes sense, it is what it is

[Gentleman 8]

you say that like it's a good thing

[Gentleman 8]

oh actually she uh did say something about how she thinks the fact that no wagons are taking off like gentleman 2 / lady 4 means one of the current wagons is on scum and then she went into some tangent about VCA and stuff

(i don't agree with it, just saying, i think that was part of the reason)

[Gentleman 8]

My pair next? Am I understating your post correctly?

her thoughts were basically

gentleman 5 and lady 8, then...

if gentleman 5 were to flip scum, go gentleman 1/lady 7 -> lady 1 / gentleman 6 -> lady 6 / gentleman 3 -> gentleman 4 / lady 2

if gentleman 5 were to flip town, go gentleman 4 / lady 2 -> gentleman 1 / lady 7 -> lady 6 / gentleman 3 -> lady 1 / gentleman 6

(but the gentleman 1 order in that is purely because i've been talking a bit about how i don't really trust the gentleman 1 slot, and she is trusting that i think i am onto something when i don't actually think i'm anywhere near as strong as i'd like to be there lol)

(also i think part of the reason she wants to flip gentleman 5 / lady 8 is pure paranoia that no one else is going to want to do it after intermission regardless of who's flipped before intermission)

[Gentleman 8]

ive just been saying i didn't really like gentleman 1 v1 (or at least i didnt see anything particularly town in his play) and i have difficulties reading players like gentleman 1 v2 because nothing they say makes much sense to me and i can't really determine the motivation if i can't really understand the thought processes in the first place

though if people think he's town i'd like to hear why

[Gentleman 8]

btw, it should go without saying, but just in case it isn't obvious...

scum are gonna wanna run out the clock in the second dance phase, especially if they think they're in a good position, so don't get too bogged down in discussion if it means delaying flips for several days

i don't really care all that much if there is or isn't another flip pre-intermission but i think we don't get another flip pre-intermission, tomorrow is gonna require the game being slightly faster-paced than it currently is (preferably with less alt slips too)

[Gentleman 8]

basically yeah, appease the blood gods and sort out the rest when the carnage is over

that said, this game is kind of weird because barely anyone actually seems to suspect their partner

i mean lady 3 v2 did but uh... she got updated

[Gentleman 8]

it really is only at 6p (if we don't have another scum flip before then) that people need to start being more careful

and i'm not suggesting just go full on chain leave with no discussion, i'm just saying, don't stall it for 2-3 days with no flips

[Gentleman 8]

i mean, even if i wanted to do that (and i don't, really, for a variety of reasons), when a large chunk of this game is being continually replaced or just isn't here, i don't really see what you're expecting me to do?

you want me to have a pep talk with like the 3 people that are still here and actually caught up?

[Gentleman 8]

why does it even matter what i think?

come to your own conclusions lol

shifting the burden of game-solving and directing the game onto an IC just seems like a cop-out, even if i were fully invested right now

[Gentleman 8]

it's better that someone who isn't confirmed town catches people up tbh

for like a plethora of reasons

but i don't really care to argue the theory behind that

nor do i want to argue the theory behind why it's not the smartest idea to sheep the IC like a good little lemming

[Gentleman 8]

what's your current read on lady 3 btw? and how strong is it?

[Gentleman 8]

there is no final 4 if we don't get one scum before then rofl

also, do you legitimately not have a strong town read on lady 3? if not, why not?

[Gentleman 8]

so if we didn't get a scum flip today and the first couple to get evicted from the dance floor tomorrow didn't yield a scum flip either, you'd assume that means lady 3 is scum?

why?

[Gentleman 8]

if you want me to give you direction, here's some...

if you are actually town and leave, you're an idiot. there's maybe one or two slots in the game that are on that level of obvious town and i don't even know how you couldn't see that by now unless you just don't read her posts

[Gentleman 8]

ok...

unless you mean a general outline of events, it's way better that someone who isn't confirmed and has opinions about players does it for the purpose of, you know, either forcing scum to take stances on events or making town be transparent about their thoughts on events. me saying what happened and what i think does nothing to help a replacement read someone, someone else doing it might (because it gives them a good place to start asking "why?" questions, if nothing else

this isn't rocket surgery

[Gentleman 8]

oh yeah that's gonna help. i see your point

here we go

@gentleman 1, why don't you help the replacements catch up by giving a summary of what you think about the game

can't wait for this to happen 12 hours from now, if at all

[Gentleman 8]

remind me where you think the scum are, gentleman 4

[Gentleman 8]

Oh before I forget, I want to state that my (ex) partner I think towntold very early and I would be hard pressed to leave the dance anytime

what happened to this anyway

[Gentleman 8]

g9.bananas do you townread this slot based on the first four pages or how lilith acted after accepting?

Have I shaken your read of the slot as it has for.. I think only one somebody thought I'm a downgrade.

i dont think you're a downgrade? nor have my reads shaken in anyway (if anything strengthened imo)

based on how l3misty acted after accepting

and this

[Gentleman 8]

i mean i don't really have to convince you, you're probably going to get voted out before it reaches anywhere near endgame unless something miraculous happens that makes the rest of the game think you're both town?

seems unlikely at this point

[Gentleman 8]

i don't really know if gentleman 9 is scum, i just think a lot of the stuff he thinks is weird

still don't really understand how he doesn't think lady 3 is one of the more likely players to be town and i don't know why he even changed his mind on that since he apparently did think that early on

the only player in that couple that should be considering leaving the dance if they're actually both town is lady 3 and, well, currently not sure that's wise

[Gentleman 8]

i dont even really know if that statement is true anyway. i think gentleman 6 and lady 1 are probably town but like... if there were a scum-scum pair...

[Gentleman 8]

i'm not wholly opposed to just letting the timer in this day phase run out which will give the replacements and people way behind some time to catch up over intermission

i'm also not wholly opposed to just getting rid of gentleman 4 / lady 2

i don't really know if the odds of them being scum are very high but i think even if they're town, they're probably going to be a pretty big distraction unless a scum flip occurs elsewhere on like the first flip?

so uh... i'm just gonna use the remaining time while i'm still awake to read ISOs and think about stuff i guess

[Gentleman 8]

i'm ok with just saying gentleman 9 and lady 3 should be an endgame pair

i currently think there's a decent chance lady 1 and gentleman 6 are town too

i'm trying to firm up some other reads

[Gentleman 8]

if i firm up my gentleman 5 read, i'd prob say that's a better endgame pair than gentleman 6 / lady 1 but uh... need to read there i guess

[Gentleman 8]

kind of don't think gentleman 1 and gentleman 3 are scum together either. the early gentleman 3 posts that mention gentleman 1 look like a pretty strong negative interaction in that regard (from both gentleman 3 v1 and v2)

but i don't really know what to think about the game if both of their pairs flipped T/T so i'm just guessing there's one in there

and if there isn't then uh... damn

[Gentleman 8]

probably isn't the worst idea to flip gentleman 4 / lady 2 really just so that people have some time over intermission to think about the flips regardless of what they end up being

[Gentleman 8]

i think flipping gentleman 1 / lady 7, gentleman 3 / lady 6 and gentleman 4 / lady 2 in some order is probably the best play

just don't know what order is most likely to yield a scum flip first

i think when (or i guess if) you hit the first scum flip, it's prob better to stop and think a bit before continuing any chain leaving

[Gentleman 8]

to be clear, i think there's very little chance lady 7 is scum, lady 6 is probably town too but uh... i don't really trust either of their partners

[Gentleman 8]

i mean you can? but uh, im just being realistic here... even if you're both town, it shouldnt be too hard to read the current game state

i mean if she is town then best of luck to you guys in fighting an uphill battle to convince others of that

[Gentleman 8]

im unsure whether ill be around near deadline since it falls at a bad time for me so just gonna read til i fall asleep

[Gentleman 8]

tbh i don't really think you're scum and i don't really think lady 2 is scum, but my feelings about this aren't strong enough that i'd be sad to see you go. lady 2 has done some things that look kinda town but not enough that i could solidly say town. you kinda seem town but not enough that i'd be willing to defend you

i do think you guys flipping is probably an inevitability this game so uh... the only question is whether to do it today (more information going into intermission) or wait until tomorrow, see if lady 2 somehow oozes town in her catchups and uh... maybe you won't be the first to be evicted from the dancefloor tomorrow? eh...

i think you're probably going to be a distraction for most of the game even if you are town? and that's kind of an issue when quick(er) decisions are going to need to be made in the second dance

(50 minutes left in this phase btw, and i believe you're L-2)

only thing i'm mulling over now is whether any of the people voting you are scum (because i pretty much town read your entire wagon atm, so either scum are in the inactive/indecisive players or i'm really, really wrong about someone and i dunno who

[Gentleman 8]

Gentleman 4 - Lady 2 [6] - Lady 1, Lady 7, Gentleman 9, Lady 8, Lady 5, Gentleman 6

(this is your wagon atm as far as i can tell)

[Gentleman 8]

i don't know if gentleman 3's activity is alignment-indicative in any way. i'm just thinking he could be scum through a combination of POE and just some things i don't really like about his play. same for gentleman 1 really...

i know i'm probably going very wrong somewhere in my reads but i don't really know where so i'm kinda just hoping you guys figure out the missing pieces after another scum flip? tbh i still think the 6p i like is probably gentleman 9 - lady 3, gentleman 6 - lady 1, gentleman 5 - lady 8? but i don't really know where the best place to find scum in those names is, especially if there isn't scum outside of those names

[Gentleman 8]

'twould be funny if gentleman 2 was correct about gentleman 5 and gentleman 9 but i currently don't see that as likely. and if it is, well, damn... sorry i guess? *shrug*

[Gentleman 8]

i think he knows that?

[Gentleman 8]

if i had to rank ladies town->scum right now i think i'd go 7, 3/8, 6, 1, 2 but i don't really even think lady 2 is all that likely to be scum

if i had to rank gentleman town->scum right now i think i'd go "fuck me i don't know"

[Gentleman 8]

maybe 6/9, 5, 4, 3, 1?

[Gentleman 8]

i mentioned this in the PT, but there are a lot of lady-lady pairings that i think would have made this game a hell of a lot easier. alas, fakegod being a disgusting bigot and all prevented this from being a reality

[Gentleman 8]

like i don't have a town read on gentleman 1 or gentleman 3 but uh... my confidence about them being scum basically boils down to "less town than others, some issues with their play, dunno who the fuck else is scum atm"

ps:

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-08-11 14:34:47)

(and it still requires 2 more votes if gentleman 4 and lady 2 are to leave the dance floor today)

[Gentleman 8]

Haven't you seen the show?


Only wholesome dating sim pairings allowed, Keima Katsuragi plays not your yrui and yaoi filth....

Spoiler:

[Gentleman 8]

tbh i don't even really know why people scum read lady 2

i don't have a scum read on her

but uh... if she is scum, i'm not going to flip out like "how in the... didn't see that coming at all"

[Gentleman 8]

if one person not currently voting them voted for them in the next ten minutes or so, i'd consider it the will of the people and just go ahead with it

but *shrug*

pros: flip before intermission = more time to process the flips + reevaluate depending on what they are, there's a possibility lady 2 (or gentleman 4) actually is scum (even if i don't currently think the likelihood is that high), less of a rush tomorrow gives a little more leeway

[Gentleman 8]

i mean, i don't even know how to begin examining a lot of his posts because nothing he does really makes sense to me

[Gentleman 8]

like when i asked him about his reads and he gave me two town reads and a scum read... at 16p

is that lazy scum? or just town who legitimately only formed 2 reads throughout his entire reading? how do you even tell the difference?

[Gentleman 8]

3 reads* still same deal

[Gentleman 8]

also i just wanna put it out there, i didn't really like gentleman 1 v1's early posting

also, i got the opposite impression of a lot of people with regards to his proposal (i.e. the post it came after making him more likely town)

[Gentleman 8]

Why? I think scum are more likely to lolpropose and accept, given they just don't want to die.

Also... I've made up my mind.

Lady 7, may I have this dance?

a lot of people thought this seemed town?

i didn't really think that...

but i also dont have super strong feelings about it, i just didn't read it as town

[Gentleman 8]

i am aware of the time left in the day phase

[Gentleman 8]

well, whatever. probably too late to evaluate where i'm going wrong anyway

que sera sera

Vote: Gentleman 4 / Lady 2

[Gentleman 8]

still think gentleman 4 looks like scarecrow in that one scene

[Gentleman 8]

[Gentleman 8]

maybe gentleman 4 was scum all along

[Gentleman 8]

o well. if gentleman 4 is scum, again, not gonna be surprised

i will admit though that i thought his posts today seemed a bit more town than some other people

and if he is scum, i still like the 3 endgame pairs i mentioned i think? o well, that's up to you guys to figure out anyway

[Gentleman 8]

i just usually take the "farewell glhf" posts like that to be an admission. town usually spend the twilight hours getting their final thoughts out?

*shrug*

[Gentleman 8]

you're convinced gentleman 3 is town?

[Gentleman 8]

i dunno i still think his weird fixation on how i was reading him at the end of pre-dance was off. not so much that he did it, but that it's all he came into the thread and talked about at the time? i may not be remembering that correctly, but i think that was what happened at least...

and this phase he hasn't been here

and when he has been here, nothing he's said has really made me go "oh wow" so uh... *shrug*

again, mostly a combination of POE and small things i don't like about his play here than a solid scum read but eh

[Gentleman 8]

#1689 - #1725 is the sequence of pre-dance posts i'm talking about where he showed up to talk specifically about my read (that actually wasn't a read) and nothing else?

[Gentleman 8]

oh, clever

(though it's not like i'm masking it or anything)

[Gentleman 8]

i don't know

i don't have a town read on him though

i thought i knew who gentleman 3 was and i thought i'd played with him a fair bit but i don't remember him being this lurky even as scum or i'm way off on who he is (don't really care atm)

though i did mention in my PT at some point that if he's scum and i am right about who he is and he has figured out who i am, there's a 0% chance he lets me live even as a gambit unless he thinks rust factor > any potential harm i could cause if i somehow remembered how to scum hunt

[Gentleman 8]

that could be true

i didn't really like his answer when i asked him about his scum reads because it kind of indicates he's caught up enough or had solid enough town reads before he left that nothing could have changed what he thought about them in his absence, but not enough to have any strong scum reads? dunno how much sense that makes

and i already talked about what i didn't like about his play at the end of pre-game

*shrug*

[Gentleman 8]

who do you think is scum, gentleman 3?

I honestly don't know. My best answer for you is really just "the people who aren't in my townreads". That'd be Gentleman 1, Gentleman 4, Gentleman 6, Lady 1, and

maybe

Gentleman 5 and Lady 2.

so he was pretty confident about gentleman 9 and ladies 3, 5, 6, 7, 8 i guess?

but didn't really have any opinions about who was scum among the rest

underwhelming

i guess from this his endgame pairs are gentleman 9 / lady 3 and himself / lady 6?

[Gentleman 8]

not sure why he didn't vote either since uh... both lady 1 and gentleman 4 had wagons on them at the time?

i guess because he wasn't caught up is what he's going to say? or he just didn't feel strongly enough about either of them?

*shrug*

[Gentleman 8]

i mean, i think ive been pretty clear about where i think there's a decent chance of getting a scum flip in this game so uh... im more just remembering why i think that and vocalising it than trying to sway anyone or come to a conclusion

these are things i would think about if i were still alive tomorrow and reevaluating the game

[Gentleman 8]

well lucky for you, i have to sleep

so i guess the people who are still alive in this game tomorrow can figure stuff out

try to maintain a rate of about one exit every 48 hours i guess... dont be stupid with chain leaving but don't drag stuff out til the last minute

i kind of wish id been more invested in this game earlier but uh... that's also what i told myself i didnt wanna do anymore... paradoxical

ps: stop getting force-replaced

[Gentleman 8]

i guess i was getting needlessly paranoid of gentleman 5 in the dead thread for no reason heh (though gentleman 1 was never making endgame anyway)

grats

[Gentleman 8]

@gentleman 5, i think most of them thought it was gentleman 1?

but you just kept saying weird things and i kept reading into them too much!

and i incorrectly gave gentleman 1 too much credit for even voting lady 2 at the end of first dance because i didn't think he'd do that as scum (it doesn't give scum much of an advantage if no couple is eliminated, but it still is an advantage none the less, and gentleman 1 didn't really strike me as the type of player to do that as scum... alas)

[Gentleman 8]

My guess for guy the 8th was Mina or borkjerfkin

both of them would probably be insulted that you even insinuated that!

bork would probably find it hilarious that anyone would confuse us tbh. we are like oil and water in game

[Gentleman 8]

i thought gentleman 3 was the one who worked in a library but now im thinking it was actually gentleman 6 :/

or im horrible at reading clues, i dunno

[Gentleman 8]

i confused him for you when he said he was closely following the game before replacing in haha, it read like you

[Gentleman 8]

ok, you'll figure it out if you read the dead thread, gentleman 6, but i'll give you a clue anyway: rap battle

[Gentleman 8]

tbh i didnt even try to figure anyone out

it was only when you said you didn't wanna lose like marketplace again that i narrowed it down (though i confused you and gentleman 3 :/)

i forgot you copy ffery's opening lol

[Gentleman 8]

G8 can you give me a ball park for how many games we have played together?

i already said that gentleman 3's guess was correct in the dead thread lol

i dunno, last game we played together you got steamrolled by pie and me? i forget if we've played more than that

[Gentleman 8]

I pity anyone who reads my PT


Maria literally got blocks of text as I was commuting to and from work with unedited thought spam.

trust me. it could be worse...

[Gentleman 8]

So I didn't guess who you were and the empire comparisons was just me self-referencing but holy shit what a co-incidence. I ruled you out from being in this game because I thought you'd perma-retired. How odd that we'd both come out of semi-retirement for the same altgame.

haha i just felt like playing in a mafia game for some reason but i forgot how much time i used to spend reading stuff in games i was invested in before and overestimated how much time i'd have to read this one :/

also i wanted to see who still plays. was disappointed to find that a lot of the players i used to like playing with are no longer really active (even though some older players seem to be crawling out of the woodworks in this endgame)

[Gentleman 8]

haha i don't care about the anonymity. i was mostly just keeping this game out of my egosearch

[Gentleman 8]

uh... nah i thought you were gentleman 3 until he told me he wasnt and then i was like "hmmm" and then i read your posts and was like "ooooh"

like i said, i wasnt trying to alt-hunt. i assumed i would know no one

[Gentleman 8]

well i knew you had to be someone from marketplace, i just didn't put two and two together that it was you until gentleman 3 said "nope"

and then i was like "well guess that makes gentleman 6 cabd then because literally no one else makes sense"

and yeah, dead thread

[Gentleman 8]

what gave me away as a mina bork hydra anyway

[Gentleman 8]

i mean, we did share that marketplace PT and actually i think nacho told me that except not in those words