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Gentleman 8 Goon
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i only really use PTs to blog about my day
i don't really think it's so bad to mostly play the game in thread? the only reason to have private discussions in this setup is if you wanted to air out ideas that you weren't sure should be in the main thread (like super secret scum reads or just if you want a second opinion from someone before you most some inane rant about how you've spent all day googling "evil seals" and you're now convinced lady 6 is scum for reasons) or you just want to talk to your partner without it flooding the game threadThe content of this post comes from a player who is most certainly aligned with the town and isdefinitely, absolutely, 100% without questionnot a vampire, warlock or werewolf.-
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it's not inconsistent with an idea he expressed earlier in the game (that couples should be voted out instead of leaving)
"VCA" is kind of weak with 2 scum alive in 16 players though, plus a self-vote
(admittedly, part of the reason i'm not throwing my vote around is because i think there's probably more information to be gained from any wagon that goes through without my participation, but i wouldn't put that under the category of "VCA" and it also doesn't explain the self-vote)The content of this post comes from a player who is most certainly aligned with the town and isdefinitely, absolutely, 100% without questionnot a vampire, warlock or werewolf.-
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i can't actually find where you talk about why you think gentleman 5 and gentleman 9 look terrible, but at least you've been consistent about it :/
also, my understanding is that people were delaying a vote on your pair because we were waiting for gentleman 3 to show up, not because it stagnatedThe content of this post comes from a player who is most certainly aligned with the town and isdefinitely, absolutely, 100% without questionnot a vampire, warlock or werewolf.-
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i dunno, why are you asking me? im voting for the scummiest couple already
i was just pointing out it's not that your wagon stagnated, it's just that people are waiting for something else to happen before voting you (or at least that's what i understood from, for example, lady 7's unvoteThe content of this post comes from a player who is most certainly aligned with the town and isdefinitely, absolutely, 100% without questionnot a vampire, warlock or werewolf.-
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well, im just going to put it out there...
i admire your extreme optimism if youre actually thinking shes gonna rock up and be like "yes, of course, who wouldn't do that?"
what answer are you really expecting here?The content of this post comes from a player who is most certainly aligned with the town and isdefinitely, absolutely, 100% without questionnot a vampire, warlock or werewolf.-
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Gentleman 8 Goon
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ahem...In post 3032, Lady 3 wrote:
Could we spill wine on people's tuxes so they have to go home and change instead of hanging themIn post 3029, Gentleman 4 wrote:Every hang after yours will be a nontrivial decision and it's hard for me to read into the motivations of G5 because I feel like your pair was always going to be pushed by town and scum.
my ball, my rules
there will be no hanging, but there will also be no wastage of wine (and you should consider yourself unbelievably lucky that you are not being drawn and quartered for even suggesting that)
people who leave the dance will be given a set of crayons and a roll of parchment and will be asked to spend the rest of the dance helping gentleman 7 draw a picture book about seals in the corner over there. i hear he's just finished storyboarding his "epic masterpiece" as he calls it and is currently working on the first draft but is in desperate need of artistsThe content of this post comes from a player who is most certainly aligned with the town and isdefinitely, absolutely, 100% without questionnot a vampire, warlock or werewolf.-
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Gentleman 8 Goon
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did gentleman 3 say he had something super interesting and amazing to say or are we just waiting for him because hes mysterious and handsome?The content of this post comes from a player who is most certainly aligned with the town and isdefinitely, absolutely, 100% without questionnot a vampire, warlock or werewolf.-
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if it's just because lady 6 is lonely without a dance partner, well uh... i know a certain gentleman who's currently sitting in a corner and has a... mild interest in seals, to put it lightly
maybe we can organise somethingThe content of this post comes from a player who is most certainly aligned with the town and isdefinitely, absolutely, 100% without questionnot a vampire, warlock or werewolf.-
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so, uh... what are lady 2's thoughts on the gentleman 2 / lady 4 pairing?
(i actually dont know where lady 2 stands on most people now that i think about it)The content of this post comes from a player who is most certainly aligned with the town and isdefinitely, absolutely, 100% without questionnot a vampire, warlock or werewolf.-
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what do you mean?In post 3112, Gentleman 4 wrote:Who will lead the town now?
it's not me who alt-slipped, dudeThe content of this post comes from a player who is most certainly aligned with the town and isdefinitely, absolutely, 100% without questionnot a vampire, warlock or werewolf.-
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hey mr gentleman 1, could you talk a bit about your thoughts on gentleman 2 and lady 4, and maybe talk a bit more about why you think lady 1 is the most likely to be scum?The content of this post comes from a player who is most certainly aligned with the town and isdefinitely, absolutely, 100% without questionnot a vampire, warlock or werewolf.-
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ok
let's try this again...
could you maybe talk aboutyou think lady 1 is the most likely to be scum?why
(and also it would be nice if you could focus more on the couple that, you know, has a pretty substantial wagon going for them over others, but i guess you do you)
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Gentleman 8 Goon
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oh, i missed gentleman 2 replying to me... i was just persisting with my questioning there because i found it to be interesting in contrast to his "never leave, always use votes" mentality
i was mostly trying to figure out how he reconciled the internal inconsistency and what he was going to do with any answer he got from lady 8The content of this post comes from a player who is most certainly aligned with the town and isdefinitely, absolutely, 100% without questionnot a vampire, warlock or werewolf.-
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well i don't think he actually expected lady 8 to say yes either
so it's kind of a silly question to ask if he is town
unless he was starting to get suspicious of lady 8? but uh, that's a question that i think is going to be very helpful in figuring out someone's alignment and it doesn't look like that's why he was asking it
so i guess i'm just back to thinking it is internally inconsistent and probably just an i-think-town-might-say-something-like-this-maybe thingThe content of this post comes from a player who is most certainly aligned with the town and isdefinitely, absolutely, 100% without questionnot a vampire, warlock or werewolf.-
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i have already left an incredibly insightful last will and testament in my PT
i have to set an example as the super duper helpful town leader and stuff, right?
i am just such a good role modelThe content of this post comes from a player who is most certainly aligned with the town and isdefinitely, absolutely, 100% without questionnot a vampire, warlock or werewolf.-
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sssshhhhhh, we aren't allowed to talk about who's who in this game yet, gentleman 1. save that for post-game
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Gentleman 8 Goon
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i forgot to mention, giving gentleman 3 (expired on 2020-08-06 23:19:00) (3 days since his last post) before i just say don't bother waiting, let's get a flip goingThe content of this post comes from a player who is most certainly aligned with the town and isdefinitely, absolutely, 100% without questionnot a vampire, warlock or werewolf.-
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Gentleman 8 Goon
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probably doing an ISO of gentleman 7 without context isn't that helpful for relational tells
though that reminds me of how weird gentleman 7's proposal to lady 4 was
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Gentleman 8 Goon
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i don't really know how gentleman 7 would or wouldn't treat his scum partners
i think it's a bit silly to guess without one more flip
if there was a bit more depth to his interactions, it'd be a different matter, but there really is no depth to almost all his interactions. mentions here and there, but other than the fixation on lady 6 and the eventual 3-player group at the end, there's nothing there but weak mentions of other players
the only real conclusion i think we've all agreed upon with regards to gentleman 7 is that he's probably the kind of guy who could recite the wikipedia page for seals by heart. he's probably contributed to it a great many times himself. he's probably rather strict about removing any criticism of seals being less than perfect, tooThe content of this post comes from a player who is most certainly aligned with the town and isdefinitely, absolutely, 100% without questionnot a vampire, warlock or werewolf.-
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i don't have any certainty about gentleman 4 or lady 2's alignment, but i currently think there's more likely to be scum in the gentleman 2 / lady 4 couple
i'm warming up to gentleman 4, i guess
i don't really know what lady 2 really thinks about anything but i don't know if that means she's scumThe content of this post comes from a player who is most certainly aligned with the town and isdefinitely, absolutely, 100% without questionnot a vampire, warlock or werewolf.-
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lady 7,
do you think gentleman 2 and lady 4 are town based on something they've written or based on stuff you're reading in gentleman 7's ISO?The content of this post comes from a player who is most certainly aligned with the town and isdefinitely, absolutely, 100% without questionnot a vampire, warlock or werewolf.-
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if gentleman 2 voluntarily leaves the dance, i would be willing to listen to and push his strongest read in this game (be it town or scum)
i want to hear if gentleman 2 will consider that offerThe content of this post comes from a player who is most certainly aligned with the town and isdefinitely, absolutely, 100% without questionnot a vampire, warlock or werewolf.-
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sorry, what? where?In post 3333, Lady 7 wrote:G2 minorly from what he's written and his approach to his death; accepting it and trying to die in the most protown way.
he, uh, didn't really have many choices at the time?In post 3333, Lady 7 wrote:L4 is from G7's ISO. If G7 was struggling, he's not likely to link himself to someone who is "not good" unless he knew L4 would reject it.
pretty much everyone else was partnered up when that happened (which is why the context matters)The content of this post comes from a player who is most certainly aligned with the town and isdefinitely, absolutely, 100% without questionnot a vampire, warlock or werewolf.-
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i think you're grossly misinterpreting gentleman 2's intent there, lady 7, and i don't believe he suddenly changed his tune and decided that actually leaving is a good thing when it was a bad thing only a short while ago
i don't really believe he is going to leave even if people want him to
though since he has suggested it, i am interested to hear whether he would or wouldn't accept the offer i made for a couple reasonsThe content of this post comes from a player who is most certainly aligned with the town and isdefinitely, absolutely, 100% without questionnot a vampire, warlock or werewolf.-
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i just want to hear what gentleman 2 thinks about this (unless he addressed it in recent pages and i missed it, not really reading atm, busy)
In post 3332, Gentleman 8 wrote:if gentleman 2 voluntarily leaves the dance, i would be willing to listen to and push his strongest read in this game (be it town or scum)
i want to hear if gentleman 2 will consider that offerThe content of this post comes from a player who is most certainly aligned with the town and isdefinitely, absolutely, 100% without questionnot a vampire, warlock or werewolf.-
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with how you're playing and the things you're saying, i thought you would have had much more conviction about either gentleman 5 or gentleman 9 being scum tbhIn post 3414, Gentleman 2 wrote:What did you expect me to say as town?
i asked partly because i wanted to see whether you'd agree IF you had a strong conviction, but i was more trying to gauge how strong your convictions were because, well, everything you've been saying seemed to suggest you felt pretty strongly about your reads
either i've been misinterpreting your posts about your scum reads pretty hard or you never really had the conviction you seemed to haveThe content of this post comes from a player who is most certainly aligned with the town and isdefinitely, absolutely, 100% without questionnot a vampire, warlock or werewolf.-
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to be clear, i thought if you were town you'd either say:
"i agree, ME AND YOU GENTLEMAN 5, DEATH PACT" or maybe "i don't think it's wise to bet my life on it, but i do feel really, really strongly about gentleman 5 being scum. probably the strength of that read is stronger than the love gentleman 7 has for seals."
i figured if you're scum, you'd side-step the issue unless you were confident i wouldn't say "do it and i'll listen"The content of this post comes from a player who is most certainly aligned with the town and isdefinitely, absolutely, 100% without questionnot a vampire, warlock or werewolf.-
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also i've been mulling over why you made lady 8 that offer and really the only conclusion i came to is that you never expected her to say yes so you never had to worry about it and you were just saying it to look like you were willing to sacrifice your life over your beliefs
i've been trying to think about whether you'd have said that as town, especially after all your stuff about how we should vote out instead of leaving, and i just can't reconcile your supposed willingness to leave with other things you've said about it, ergo i think it was just an actThe content of this post comes from a player who is most certainly aligned with the town and isdefinitely, absolutely, 100% without questionnot a vampire, warlock or werewolf.-
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unlike lady 8 though, you clearly know that i could fully say "yes, do it" so yeah, i expected you to side step it as opposed to give me a direct answerThe content of this post comes from a player who is most certainly aligned with the town and isdefinitely, absolutely, 100% without questionnot a vampire, warlock or werewolf.-
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or consider it from another perspective...
if he didn't do any of that, he was 100% flipping today
what do you think he would have done as scum to prevent that?
"but gentleman 8, he could also be town who's doing that!!!"
yes, i know
that is why i'm trying to look at each action and think about whether it makes sense, whether it's internally consistent, whether i really believe he thinks the things he thinks, rather than generalise and say "he is doing stuff town would do so he's town"The content of this post comes from a player who is most certainly aligned with the town and isdefinitely, absolutely, 100% without questionnot a vampire, warlock or werewolf.-
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ok?In post 3474, Gentleman 5 wrote:
This also applies to gent 4 right nowIn post 3473, Gentleman 8 wrote:that is why i'm trying to look at each action and think about whether it makes sense, whether it's internally consistent, whether i really believe he thinks the things he thinks, rather than generalise and say "he is doing stuff town would do so he's town"
i don't really think what they're doing is quite the same, but i'm not really town reading gentleman 4 (or his partner) and i don't know if i will at any point in this game
so, uh... thanks for the tip, i suppose?The content of this post comes from a player who is most certainly aligned with the town and isdefinitely, absolutely, 100% without questionnot a vampire, warlock or werewolf.-
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well i am doing that, yes
i think gentleman 2 is more likely to be scum than gentleman 4 and would prefer flipping that couple first
the main point i was making was really that i don't really see gentleman 2's actions as being inherently town in any way like lady 8 suggests because
a. i don't agree that scum would choose to just lay down and die, and
b. if you think he's town for not laying down and dying, then how do you explain the self-voting shenanigans?The content of this post comes from a player who is most certainly aligned with the town and isdefinitely, absolutely, 100% without questionnot a vampire, warlock or werewolf.-
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also i have more issues with things about gentleman 2's play than i do with gentleman 4's play overall i think...
other than the recent stuff, i think the complete lack of progression with regards to reads is really odd if gentleman 2 is town
the most obvious example is his unwavering town read on lady 4, which i _believe_ started because he thought scum had left three townies in the pre-dance. this was obviously false. i see no point in the game where it looked like gentleman 2 went "oh, i guess i was wrong, i need to think about what that means about lady 4" - nope, instead it's complete confidence that she's town. why? they haven't been using their PT, so it can't be private communications, and i do not believe it's based on lady 4's posts, so why was there never even the suspicion that lady 4 chose him over gentleman 7 as an act of bussing? or what is the actual reason he's so very, very confident?
you could arguably say something similar about, for example, gentleman 4's read on his partner, but the key difference is there was never some foundation-shattering event that should have made him question the read like should have been the case with gentleman 2
anyway, i don't really want to go into full-on case mode here, so i'll just leave it at that. either people see it or they don't
i'd prefer flipping gentleman 2 before others (and i think there's a non-zero chance that it actually ends the game, even if i don't have much confidence in that) but i don't really care enough to make a big deal out of it if people disagreeThe content of this post comes from a player who is most certainly aligned with the town and isdefinitely, absolutely, 100% without questionnot a vampire, warlock or werewolf.-
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i think the difference is i'm not anywhere near as convinced one of gentleman 4 and lady 2 is scum, even if i have issues with both
and i think i need to see how gentleman 2 and lady 4 flip before i can really go back and evaluate things at this point
or i need someone to convince me why i'm very, very wrong about the things i'm thinking seem like things that wouldn't come from gentleman 2 if he's town
im kind of skipping a lot of recent information and i want to actually sit down and read some things before i jump off my fence and place a vote on not-me
just finished "working" so guess ill get around to it soonThe content of this post comes from a player who is most certainly aligned with the town and isdefinitely, absolutely, 100% without questionnot a vampire, warlock or werewolf.-
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tbh id be surprised if lady 3 is scum
tbh id be surprised if lady 7 is scum
the rest i am working through in my head atm
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the list of people i wanted to prioritise sorting was gentleman 1 / gentleman 3 / lady 1
but i'm thinking about the strength of my others reads atm
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is this directed at me? dw, im not that angry that fakegod trolled us with the flipsIn post 3671, Lady 6 wrote:hi im very nervous one of you is gonna rage leave in a fit of impulse and please don't do that okay?The content of this post comes from a player who is most certainly aligned with the town and isdefinitely, absolutely, 100% without questionnot a vampire, warlock or werewolf.-
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how do you read gentleman 1?
not like, "what is your read?" but like "what tools are available to assist in reading that?" because im staring at his posts like a slowpoke and no inspiration has hit meThe content of this post comes from a player who is most certainly aligned with the town and isdefinitely, absolutely, 100% without questionnot a vampire, warlock or werewolf.-
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ya i dont _really_ know if i scrimmate her either but i think other people look more town?
if i could feel some assuredness that gentleman 1 was town i think this game would be a lot easierThe content of this post comes from a player who is most certainly aligned with the town and isdefinitely, absolutely, 100% without questionnot a vampire, warlock or werewolf.-
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all the priority sorts i mentioned are basically "if i can get a town read on them then i'll feel comfortable about leaving that couple alive until later"
though i still have mild paranoia that my seal theory isn't... 100% correct?The content of this post comes from a player who is most certainly aligned with the town and isdefinitely, absolutely, 100% without questionnot a vampire, warlock or werewolf.-
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oh im kinda less working for scum reads at the moment and more working for a poe list i guess
though i guess they go hand in hand kindaThe content of this post comes from a player who is most certainly aligned with the town and isdefinitely, absolutely, 100% without questionnot a vampire, warlock or werewolf.-
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the sad part is this game is plagued with replacements though only one person _actually_ replaced out and that was 5 pages in or whatever
anywho, i'm thinking of starting a betting pool on who gets force-replaced next
to enter, you must bid all your town credit, and the winner takes all
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