Why Gun?? - Town Win

[Keiji and Sara]

(>ω< ) ╤─

watch out, i am armed!!

VOTE: Mena

no, you are winged!! (눈‸눈✿)

VOTE: Morning Tweet

~keiji

[Keiji and Sara]

Alisae and I talked a bit before the game started and surely we mass-shoot one person instead of mass shooting randomly, yes?

~keiji

[Keiji and Sara]

I thought about this before the game. We coouuldd just choose an exile target and then firing squad execute them until they die, then move to the second most sus target, and so on.

But that didn't sound quite as fun as a shootout

you have a point there, although firing squad execution is ++town power! whatever should we do!

~keiji

[Keiji and Sara]

How about a mexican standoff.
Btw, can we play Russian roulette? (Trying to shoot ourself)

Ok I’ll go first HURT: Keiji

~keiji

[Keiji and Sara]

phew I survived, norwee, it’s your turn

~keiji

[Keiji and Sara]

I’m handicapping myself ok so here’s the gameplan
I want to binge the Clannad VN.
That means I’m not rly interested in mafia and I made this decision after deciding to hydra with Kanna SO
I’ma do a post a day catch up and then play Clannad for the rest of the day understood understood oki i go shower and then I read up

[Keiji and Sara]

Alisae and I talked a bit before the game started and surely we mass-shoot one person instead of mass shooting randomly, yes?

~keiji

I thought about this before the game. We coouuldd just choose an exile target and then firing squad execute them until they die, then move to the second most sus target, and so on.

But that didn't sound quite as fun as a shootout

I thought about this before the game. We coouuldd just choose an exile target and then firing squad execute them until they die, then move to the second most sus target, and so on.

But that didn't sound quite as fun as a shootout

you have a point there, although firing squad execution is ++town power! whatever should we do!

~keiji

i don't know!

Currently im thinking, if someone shoots at me, i may retaliate!! watch out!!!

do i sound threatening?

Actually, wait, is it

Conceptually I don't really see how it's any more statistically pro-town than everyone having their random ass shots
The main thing it adds is some semblance of governance, but everyone would have to get on board with it which isn't gonna happen

Alisae and I talked a bit before the game started and surely we mass-shoot one person instead of mass shooting randomly, yes?

~keiji

Yeaaaaaaah I’m not doing this lol

You should and let me tell you why
By managing our shoots in an organized environment, we don’t let scum shoot the townies that we want to keep alive. If you are trying to encourage a crazed chaotic environment, thats where scum thrive in and you basically get to let them do whatever they want. Its better to use our numbers as town to agree on people who we want to shoot and well, shoot them.

You still get to shoot someone so it’s still fun regardless.
I’m not telling you (You have to shoot this individual and only this individual) I’m actually trying to make sure that people don’t shoot the players we want to keep alive because we think they’re town.
Also by coming up with a shot list (Of say 3 individuals maybe 5 but 5 seems like too much) You are forcing scum to justify who they shoot.

With a gameplan like this, you are basically taking control of the game out of scum’s hands and forcing scum to react to whatever plan town comes up with.
It’s actually more fun then just having some kind of chaotic mess would be because working together with people is fun and thats what we’re trying to encourage.

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Might be better to block up as a firing squad and point guns at people collectively for enhanced pressure


1 shot - 15%
2 shots - 27.75%
3 shots - 38.59%
4 shots - 48.80%
5 shots - 55.63%

5 feels like too much breathing room but 3 is probably the best. 1 feels like people are being forced to shoot an individual so thats no good.

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Alisae and I talked a bit before the game started and surely we mass-shoot one person instead of mass shooting randomly, yes?

~keiji

In mashes on MU, people typically make shotlist of people who are in the POE who need to flip/die. A similar strategy could be good here. It's just that we have to trust who is making the shotlist

i know for sure it ain’t gonna be me. I’m don’t have reads right now, and thats with reading 9 pages. xD

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Trplehaven's probably town? I feel like I'm on the wrong account for a goofy game like this.

This game isn’t goofy at all if you take it seriously and play to win it

[Keiji and Sara]

Clannad is 2mainstream4me.

I'll have you know that Clannad is a literary masterpiece and if you disagree then you should be cancelled

[Keiji and Sara]

KnS haven’t really done anything worth considering them town for yet

tbf, if I have done something worth considering me town, then that would be concerning of its own right.

[Keiji and Sara]

i am glad we are establishing order! what alisara said was what i meant, of course.

Keiji head just always pockets me so I’m ignoring my inclinations there for now

♡ (눈‸눈)

also @mena; why are you so confident on datisi?

~keiji

[Keiji and Sara]

oof err just realised shooting is about to start so there's no time to question reads. and since most people aren't on the whitelist, i'm assuming it's kinda free game.

i scumread datisi because of that readlist; seems tmi, especially umlaut who has three posts, two of which are filler, and one that is just ok. if we get shot, that's somewhere i'd like to shoot.

~keiji

[Keiji and Sara]

i'd also like to encourage other people to make scumlists too!

~keiji

[Keiji and Sara]

you wanna go keiji

come at me, sou

[Keiji and Sara]

i think Morning is town though!

~keiji

[Keiji and Sara]

UNVOTE:

[Keiji and Sara]

i was... getting good vibes on you... why you gotta go an ruin them like that

D:

you mean my read? what don't you like about it?

~keiji

[Keiji and Sara]

it wasn't about having townreads, it's that i feel one like umlaut isn't justified. why do you townread umlaut?

~keiji

[Keiji and Sara]

Clannad is 2mainstream4me.

I'll have you know that Clannad is a literary masterpiece and if you disagree then you should be cancelled

No! Don't cancel my Winrar licence!! I paid for it with my own money!

YOU PAYED FOR WINRAR
KEKW

[Keiji and Sara]

imagine paying for winrar HOLY
your brain is huge dude KEKW

[Keiji and Sara]

ok dumb as fucc but i modded 2 games for scum!umlaut and he was generally more Tryhardy
also the game before this one i was scum (and umlaut was town) and if anyone were to ask me for my read of umalut in early game i would've given that response
and this game i kinda Feel that response

do you have feels on norwee yet?

actually norwee was another read i didn't get. no major feelings on norwee from me.

i did just talk to alisae though, and e disagrees with this read saying it's bold for scum to post. i don't know! but i'd still like that norwee read!

~keiji

[Keiji and Sara]

say hi to kanna for me

hi dragon!!

alisae said you said hi!

~kanna

[Keiji and Sara]

I’ll say it differently,
Why are you reaching to create reads on people?

[Keiji and Sara]

i have decided i like triple, bell, keiji, and datisi the most

can you explain why you like everyone here so far?

[Keiji and Sara]

i think this dispute can be solved like true gentleman

bell and datisi should just crossfire each other

can we not encourage this atm

[Keiji and Sara]

and scum are sitting easy looking at this town shootout

rly who could that be

[Keiji and Sara]

HURT: NorweigianboyEE

how the fuck can you think norwee is scum here???

why?

there's nothing to townread him on

[Keiji and Sara]

It’s 3:14 am and it was a bad decision to try to communicate with other folks at this time.

why the fuck did you shoot norwee

because he shot him?

[Keiji and Sara]

I want a firing squad on porkens. Someone join me.

I'm down probably but probably later unless kanna rly wants to i don't rly care

[Keiji and Sara]

I liked something abt Keijis entrance. I know that Keiji struggles to get footing sometimes early as scum, at least in my sample size of one. But she seems normal so far to me.

fun fact: i find gamestarts the hardest to get into regardless of alignment, but i'm glad you think i'm normal! by entrance, do you mean my first few posts or?

~keiji

[Keiji and Sara]

we have the last shot left!!

Spoiler:

i told alisara who i wanted to shoot and if e agrees, we will make our shot

~keiji

[Keiji and Sara]

datisi is probably town and is it bad tipsy/nahdia's latest take reminds me of mafioso!nahdia's beeboy take in lunacy?

~keiji

[Keiji and Sara]

but there's something about tipsy's tone that makes me want to townread her....

~keiji

[Keiji and Sara]

Some people think they could outsmart me...
Maybe...

sniffles[/s]
Maybe...

I have yet to meet one who could outsmart bullet
HURT: Isis

[Keiji and Sara]

fwiw, my implied suggestion was actually norwee. ily isis

~keiji

[Keiji and Sara]

Your shot was objectively the worst one out of all of the shots

[Keiji and Sara]

Also your entrance sucks

[Keiji and Sara]

its the shoot that stands out the most and its not because it hit town that's just extra

[Keiji and Sara]

as someone who hardly has any like, real reads, where else am I supposed to start?

[Keiji and Sara]

as someone who hardly has any like, real reads, where else am I supposed to start?

Hm ok.

I thought you were also in the "Tipsy is caught d1 scum and this is a solved game crowd" but it's a big day and I don't have perfect track of where everyone stands

that might be kanna I don't rly know tbh I've been playing catch up and haven't really been reading the thread with the intent of actually getting reads. That's actually quite difficult for me atm. Luckily I do have someone I can talk to about it so I'll probably just do it overnight since I have other priorities (Clannad VN)

[Keiji and Sara]

Is 866 a quote from something I liked it btw

[Keiji and Sara]

I thought you were also in the "Tipsy is caught d1 scum and this is a solved game crowd" but it's a big day and I don't have perfect track of where everyone stands

you were thinking of me, although i didn't think tipsy was scummy before - just their latest mena push reminded me of something so i'm slightly scumreading there now.

~keiji

[Keiji and Sara]

my biggest scumread so far is definitely norwee. my aim is to convince alisae on this (ง눈‸눈)ง VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

~keiji

[Keiji and Sara]

I'm starting to prefer Pork/Umlaut/Jjh/Norwe over you I think

can you explain your umlaut read? and your progression there?

~keiji

[Keiji and Sara]

actually UNVOTE:
i should think about it some more

@Morning; ok i see...why are umlaut and jjh different do you think? and one more: what made isis shoot up to the top here?

{Datisi, Triple, Mena, Isis}
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{Max, Keiji}
{Bell}
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{jjhh}
{Tipsy, Norwee, Umlaut, Pork}

~keiji

p-edit: hello sou!

[Keiji and Sara]

keiji is probably town but i can never shake paranoia off
@keiji talk to me about the norwee read pls

paranoid?? of keiji??

about the norwee read, i was feeling it stronger earlier, but i wanna sleep on it in case i'm confibiasing. in summary, i feel like his iso is mostly fluff (which i believe is scum-indicative for him) + this readlist i very much did not like

Hmm ok i suppose i can say who i'm seeing as town so far.
First of all, you.
JJH mostly for his bold act of trying to shoot me.
Starting to warm up to Isis for their hot takes in recent pages.
Kinda liked Porken's entrance too actually. It was big and bold.
Not really sure about rest.

~keiji

[Keiji and Sara]

My scumgame isnt the worst in existence but id say I'm out of that range this game. I've posted far too much, i tend to clam up as scum after getting townreads cause I'm deathly afraid of losing them

that is probably true, and there goes my paranoia mt read. i wanted to be the hero that catches you!

from my experience with scum/town!morning, scum!morning would not post more than necessary to get Townreads, and her engagement in this game is definitely above what i think is necessary
i get somewhat paranoid when i see wallposts/lots of Analysis from morning, but i'm sure they're nothing....

still kind of curious about the isis read, maybe?

~keiji

[Keiji and Sara]

MT, I think you may have missed it but I’d really like to hear your thoughts on kanna

why me?

~keiji

[Keiji and Sara]

this game is a lot more serious than i thought, however my life expectancy still isn't long so i'm gonna try and make a nice death-takes list, that's all!

~keiji

p-edit: i love reasons!

[Keiji and Sara]

In the scum game she decided to take the risky/quirky read path and went after skitts

lol!

~keiji

[Keiji and Sara]

yes, morning is probably town, i will lock this in

~keiji

[Keiji and Sara]

okay ya its probably going to be a day phase or 2 before I rly get my hands dirty with this game
I'm still struggling to get in a mindset of reading the thread for reads (is this what its like to be catching up all of the time) so I'll just get Kanna to poke me when its night and read up there (and also I wanna finish my VN)

[Keiji and Sara]

VOTE: norwegianboyEE

I would prefer this today. By porkens’ meta, he could be town actually

~keiji

[Keiji and Sara]

Does he have town games like this? I wasn't aware tbh

I think his ~don’t care~ attitude is mildly townie for him. Or at least I can see him doing it as town

~keiji

[Keiji and Sara]

Would anyone be interested in an umlaut wagon?

Why Umlaut? Last I remember was 1168 and I thought that was fairly decent

~keiji

[Keiji and Sara]

Eh it looks decent if we were about to misexile Pork too.

That’s true, although I’m not getting active scum vibes from them and I don’t see why we should exile someone that’s a less likely shot

I’ll think about it

What’s the tipsy/umlaut theory?

~keiji

[Keiji and Sara]

he plays like this as town

do you have an example of this? I’ve seen him play like this in a scumgame, but not as town

~keiji

[Keiji and Sara]

But rn I think they’re the main focus for being ~*different*~ only I’m not convinced that’s actually scum indicative vs just indicative that they don’t care a lot about playing the game or taking it seriously.

Ah but this is fair, this is also the vibe I was getting from pork.

I’m still curious if norwee plays like this as town though

~keiji

[Keiji and Sara]

Spoiler: clannad vn rant. spoiling so people who don't care don't have to read it

status update cuz i don't rly have anywhere else to post lol
so far we have completed
yukine, you, and kappei routes
just finished fuko route
it touched me the most so far
vry poggers

btw if anyone knows or cares about this vn
this is the routes i'm planing on doing inorder
sonohara
koumora
kotomi
misae
tomoyo
nagisa

so probably gonna get started on the sonhara route now, glgl me

[Keiji and Sara]

Fuko is the best

[Keiji and Sara]

alright done with my break
gotta bounce
bai

[Keiji and Sara]

aa deadline; I think my vote is still viable and I like it where it is

Not particularly swayed on umlaut

~keiji

[Keiji and Sara]

I’m quite into norwee meta recently and I think there’s a certain level of detachment from scum!norwee which I see here

It’s not just the fact his iso is bad exactly

~keiji

[Keiji and Sara]

TRUST in your friendly policeman ✿

current thoughts are morning/datisi still town; menalque/isis....probamaybe?? morning has been pinging me back and forth all game, but i want to believe effort/engagement/confidence still spills her town...
i'm not sure why "pork needs to go"
i think maxwell looks like a bus vote too, i agree with datisi
i also think umlaut is town

~keiji

[Keiji and Sara]

I sort of think keiji is cleared from the NK

why is this?

although, i actually thought we were going to die, considering we were one of higher townread players on the scum wagon

~keiji

[Keiji and Sara]

What were the things that pinged you?

one thing i remember was the partner reads - takes like that i just don't know where they come from and i know scum!morning likes to do a lot of Solving for Townreads. i don't know, i'll look through it later, but i still think she's firmly in her town!meta effort/engagement wise. morning likes playing town and i think she is genuinely happy in this game.

~keiji

[Keiji and Sara]

@keiji

i think we're either very right (pork is scum, we're on the right track, game is in easy mode etc etc) or very wrong (pork is town, extremely fucky shit has been going on yesterday, why didn't pork get lynched?) and killing him resolves that and tells us where we need to be looking imo

also he's kinda low info liability slot and i'm not saying policy lynch but also policy lynch

maybe i'm dumb, but i don't see there being much evidence for pork!scum other than he isn't playing? i thought that was why everyone chose norwee over him as well - pork didn't care/wasn't participating, while norwee had that bad readlist and was fluffing

although i wouldn't protest to a pork shoot, i guess

~keiji

p-edit: KEIJI WAS READING

[Keiji and Sara]

Alisara said the Alisae machine broke and will go brr D3, so I’m a little :c I suppose you’re stuck with me

~keiji

[Keiji and Sara]

keiji

do you remember in chain of command, how i said QQ is town on day 1? even though QQ was completely unreadable and refusing to participate and cooperate with us? because the wagon on him, the way the game was warping around him, just reeked of scum trying to grab that ez mislynch?

i feel the exact opposite here. even when pushed at porkens, nobody but the towny slots budge.

why doesn't the game want pork dead? why aren't the vultures circling him?

I don’t...really agree with this logic since I can see reasons why scum wouldn’t go for town!pork. One being he was LHF and like I said, there wasn’t as much reason to scumread him other than he wasn’t playing the game so it would look ugly

I just don’t understand why pork is so piviotal here and I don’t know where your read of if pork is scum etc etc and if pork is town etc etc comes from (눈‸눈)?

And well now, everyone wants pork dead so idk what that says

~keiji

[Keiji and Sara]

but i'm not sure how that invalidates my point here? for scum, QQ was a better elimination than other town due to high probability of being an officer, and town!porks is surely a better elimination than scum!norwee, no?

This is truee, but at the same time if pork and norwee are both scum, you’d be assuming the other scum chose pork>norwee and tbh, I would choose norwee there

~keiji

[Keiji and Sara]

pork is pivotal bc if he's town then there's probscum in some of Datisi's Towncore.

Am I tipsy?? I don’t understand and I don’t feel like asking further because I feel dumb

~keiji

[Keiji and Sara]

Morning is still town because she doesn’t like pressure and would probably not subject herself to this

Although I find myself disagreeing with a lot of her takes so I suppose the takeaway is I don’t mindmeld with town!morning like I thought I did...

~keiji

[Keiji and Sara]

I think umlaut is fairly townie and the reasons people scumread umlaut (being agreeable etc) should actually be applied to maxwell.

~keiji

p-edit: I was scum masons with morning and a general personality read is she does not like being scumread/pressured and so would not make herself look bad if she were scum

[Keiji and Sara]

Eh?? Do you think she looks good today?

~keiji

[Keiji and Sara]

imagine healing a terrorist group

[Keiji and Sara]

if you pick engineer that means you solve problems

[Keiji and Sara]

not problems like "What is beauty?" Because that would fall within the purview of your conundrums of philosophy.

[Keiji and Sara]

What's the shots list?

[Keiji and Sara]

What's the shots list?

This is the last scum

if we're the last scum you should have no problems telling us who should be shot

[Keiji and Sara]

What's the shots list?

@jjh

[Keiji and Sara]

What's the shots list?

This is the last scum

if we're the last scum you should have no problems telling us who should be shot

You?
Is this a perspective slip!?!?!

adorable

[Keiji and Sara]

Isis why are we scum exactly?

[Keiji and Sara]

whoops! Was wrong on porkens, thought it was too easy

Morning, believe it or not, this isn’t the first time I had major morning!paranoia (can you figure that one out?)

Alisae are currently deciding what to do cause it isn’t us. Are we the consensus scumread now?

~keiji

[Keiji and Sara]

The shots list was irrelevant at the time you asked, there is an awful lot of antisynchronicity in it. There's a certain antisynchronicity to asking about "how should shots be leashed" right now too, even if "slip" is a bit much as a way to describe it. It is not a natural way to feel about an almost solved game I don't think.

What am I supposed to be doing in the situation where I decide to come into the thread and I don't know how to use my shot since I've hardly read and when Kanna knows more about the gamestate then I do?

[Keiji and Sara]

Was just about to shoot tipsy!!!

Told you guys it wasn’t us...

~keiji