A warlock, a werewolf, and a vampire... [Game Over]
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That sounds basically like a good plan, is the problem not that VWW are going to be trying very hard to play for a pocket on G8, meaning that his ability to successfully make calls on who actually are the towniest 2 ladies and 2 gents will be impaired.
I also kind of like the idea of choosing on my own steam whether or not to accept a proposal, but I guess that’s reasonably likely anyway.
So yeah overall I’m on board with that plan, but I think the prince should talk through his choices properly before dictating them to give us a chance to check for bias in his picks-
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Two, technically, as VWW can kill one. I suppose it’s optimal to kill the IC but not guaranteed.In post 12, Gentleman 1 wrote:We only need to correctly identify 1 T-T pairing to win, right? Then yeah, that sounds pretty solid.-
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In post 14, Gentleman 8 wrote:on a serious note, i have mod confirmation that the werewolf is hiding her ears by lowering them and making them blend with her hair. do with this vital piece of information what you will... i'm off to find the cordial i was promisedLady 5 rapidly fluffs up her hair to give it extra volume for no reason whatsoever-
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I mean idk, probably the same way scum would pocket an IC in other games?In post 16, Gentleman 1 wrote:How is a werewolf/vampire/warlock (from now on will be referred to as a vamlolf) going to pocket an IC?-
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Engaging with them a lot, trying to predict what their reads will be and get their first to simulate mind melding, pushing back on some things lightly so it doesn’t look too much like a pocket, being really nice, flirting
There’s a very long list that doesn’t end there, but I don’t know why scum wouldn’t play to pocket the IC, or at least why one of VWW wouldnt-
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The townslip is that G1 wasn’t considering the potential of a townpair being able to endgame? Idk if I’m understanding this rightIn post 25, Lady 7 wrote:
@Lady 5 thoughts?In post 24, Lady 7 wrote:
We'd need 2-3.In post 12, Gentleman 1 wrote:We only need to correctly identify 1 T-T pairing to win, right? Then yeah, that sounds pretty solid.
Wolves can pair together which means 1 town pair gets end gamed against a W/W pair.
Wolves also get 1 kill which makes it 2 pairs ignoring the above.
Not sure how I feel about this town slip as I am the only one to have noticed it. But I think Gentleman 1 is probably town.-
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I would say it lightly increases the odds of town but is such a simple thing to drop a mention of as scum that I wouldn’t put too much weight into itIn post 37, Lady 7 wrote:
He said we needed to identify 1 town pair to win, not factoring in the scum kill.In post 30, Lady 5 wrote:The townslip is that G1 wasn’t considering the potential of a townpair being able to endgame? Idk if I’m understanding this right
Scum have likely already thought about the win con of each alignment so it's a weird thing to miss we'd need a minimum of 2.
Given you are also confused though maybe I shouldn't use this as a clearing metric.-
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I think it would be hasty to call anyone strongly already, but I would agree that Lady 7 is townpings
I think that if she’s scum then she’s mechanically hurting herself for a lot of towncred compensation, which is possible but it probably wouldn’t be my first step and I don’t think it would for that many other players if they rolled VWW either-
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I think it would be hasty to call anyone strongly already, but I would agree that Lady 7 is townpings
I think that if she’s scum then she’s mechanically hurting herself for a lot of towncred compensation, which is possible but it probably wouldn’t be my first step and I don’t think it would for that many other players if they rolled VWW either-
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I think it would be hasty to call anyone strongly already, but I would agree that Lady 7 is townpings
I think that if she’s scum then she’s mechanically hurting herself for a lot of towncred compensation, which is possible but it probably wouldn’t be my first step and I don’t think it would for that many other players if they rolled VWW either-
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Yes, exactly my pointIn post 233, Lady 7 wrote:How do we determine who is and isn't a strong player in a game full of secret alts?
I know what L6 is referencing, but is that even L6’s choice or just a hangover from perfect masquerade?-
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Can we notIn post 265, Gentleman 2 wrote:
I'll call you Maria thenIn post 263, Lady 2 wrote:Call me whatever you want as long as it's not Peach >:(-
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I’m going to risk answering this despite the potential for being identified from it by anyone who’s particularly canny — but honestly Mont Jura comté just absolutely fucking bangs and that needs to be shared with the world
Brie de Meaux, Norwegian Jarlsberg, and Manchego all get an honorable mention though-
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Well the answer was about shakespeare, but as you can see, cheese is another field in which I have strong opinionsIn post 543, Gentleman 1 wrote:Unsure if really passionate about Shakespeare or cheese.-
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I’ve PM’d fakegod about it because I wasn’t sure what to do and I think it’s probably best we just let him handle itIn post 576, Gentleman 5 wrote:Gent 3 did what?-
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It sort of feels like L7, L8, G1, G4, G5, L6 are freezing out the rest of the game and just talking among each other
idk if that means that there is a cluster of scum in there, but it does make the game highly demotivating and uninteresting from the perspective of someone who is outside that, and also I'm somewhat doubtful that scum is entirely outside that grouping even though I don't have strong reads on anyone inside it-
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because if town L3 should have been more worried about an early proposition from scumIn post 579, Gentleman 8 wrote:that's silly. the women in this game aren't the ones in danger of getting kicked out of my ball so why would they, even as scum, care about quickly accepting an offer?-
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I mean I would have a strong preference towards having a town partner unless I had an insane confidence in my raw reads (which I don't) in which case I guess I might try to bait my top SR into partnering with me so I could leave and kill them
Looking at the game overall, there should always be a preference for town to seek out and partner with other town when possible unless you consider yourself highly >average at sorting in hoods. If you do, it makes sense to be unconcerned, but idk if I think L3 fits that mould.
The benefits of being with town are twofold, as I see it. First, if everyone who is town partners with town, scum are forced to partner with each other thereby increasing the odds of a double whammy elimination if that pairing is picked. Secondly, solving in the hoods will be better by definition if paired with town-
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okay, what do you think then?In post 584, Lady 4 wrote:I am not really getting this vibe?-
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right, only I don't see why town thinks "yes, I should just accept the first proposal that comes my way"In post 587, Gentleman 8 wrote:it's about whether you believe she should also have thought that for some reason-
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cool, helpfulIn post 592, Lady 4 wrote:
I don't feel "frozen out" and I don't see the people you named trying to do soIn post 586, Lady 5 wrote:
okay, what do you think then?In post 584, Lady 4 wrote:I am not really getting this vibe?-
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1 you, but also the other gentlemen in generalIn post 594, Gentleman 5 wrote:
1Who, me?In post 578, Lady 5 wrote:Aren’t you supposed to be propositioning me or something?
That's true, but then maybe they're scum and just didn't have a plan in mind and did whateverIn post 579, Gentleman 8 wrote:that's silly. the women in this game aren't the ones in danger of getting kicked out of my ball so why would they, even as scum, care about quickly accepting an offer?
2I don't think that's true. People posted before I showed up, then they left, and I started posting. I'm talking with anyone who speaks.In post 581, Lady 5 wrote:It sort of feels like L7, L8, G1, G4, G5, L6 are freezing out the rest of the game and just talking among each other
idk if that means that there is a cluster of scum in there, but it does make the game highly demotivating and uninteresting from the perspective of someone who is outside that, and also I'm somewhat doubtful that scum is entirely outside that grouping even though I don't have strong reads on anyone inside it
2 it feels to me very much like that has been an in-group so far that has primarily been interested in speaking amongst itself. obviously, there were a lot of posts from when I first posted to when I came back, but when I was around as the day began I still felt that most of that group were not very interested in what I thought about anything or in engaging with me
my impression when I skimmed through until like p11 was that this group has mostly been talking with itself as a preference over the other slots in the game, particularly the quieter ones-
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because I feel incredibly disengaged from the game, I'm not having fun, and I hope having a partner might help with thatIn post 596, Gentleman 5 wrote:
Why?In post 593, Lady 5 wrote:hey gents, will accept whoever wants to proposition me next at this point
What is 'this point', the start of the second irl day of this game? (not even)-
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@G8 eh, I'm kind of coming round to me just being wrong about this or reading too much into it
I think it's a weak explanation but idk why scum inherently means strong explanation? but equally yeah, I think maybe I've been reading "weak explanation for doing it" as scum bullshitting when it could just be a weak explanation for an honest reason-
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okay, that seems fair regarding the talking about proposing/accepting. I don't want to get too far into meta (because I agree it interferes with the point, but equally I know that it's informing what I think and I don't want to disadvantage my play by not using that knowledge or sharing it) but I don't think that L3 would go against a team consensus, which seems to fit unless the scum team have the plan of "just accept whatever if you're a lady" which... it's not unreasonable, I don't think, but I also don't know if it's that likely
idk if you're actually floating the idea that a weak scum would want to pair with a strong partner, but I'm not sure that's true. I'd rather pair with a moderate player in that circumstance, because I'd be worried about a strong player figuring me out.
okay, I suppose I'm back to around neutral on L3, maybe very, very slightly town-
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Yep, I knew that bit about the PTsIn post 614, Gentleman 5 wrote:Note that you don't get a pt until the end of the dance phase (after somebody is left out)
Who do you think we should leave out? Who are some of your preferences for the dance, other than me?
Err, let me think
I kind of think the bloc that I talked about has scum in it but I have no idea who. I would be surprised if town was playing totally passively. I still slightly like L7 for town, but the fact she didn’t stick with her own plan brings her down a bit. I liked G4 and was hoping he would talk to me, I don’t know what G2 thinks is scummy there, and I’m generally not that impressed with G2’s content.
I don’t know why G1 is being townread.
I quite like you for town but I’m not sure if it’s justified or if it’s just because you’re talking to me.
L3 is slightly town based on talking with G8 about her.
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Okay, I think this makes sense.In post 636, Lady 7 wrote:
I paired up because I thought I was controlling the thread and I wanted to take a backseat, whether or not I actually end up doing that is subject to what the future holds.In post 632, Lady 5 wrote:t the fact she didn’t stick with her own plan brings her down a bit.
Also once G5.Skyrim and L8.Ghost paired up I lost 2 town reads and my plan becomes functionally impossible.
Our IC also just doesn't seem very engaged relatively speaking to find multiple top town reads to get them to pair off. I think he is more keen on just finding a "loose" town and defending them, and my plan kind of hinged on the IC.
Not like I didn't want my plan to occur, I just don't it was going to work in the given game state, I believe I am paired up with town which is as much of an optimal pair as what I can get.-
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So I think that this is kind of true, but I’m not sold entirely. I think that it depends a lot on the scum. There are definitely a few people on site who enjoy making impulsive plays and if this is one of them they’d totally play like that as scum. Given that there’s no way to know who’s behind that slot, I’m inclined to TR this less.In post 639, Lady 2 wrote:
It probably comes from a mindset of not thinking who pairs with whom is very important. Which while wrong is understandable.In post 588, Lady 5 wrote:right, only I don't see why town thinks "yes, I should just accept the first proposal that comes my way"
But impulsiveness in general is a towntell and scum-her would likely have been concerned about how opportunistic it looked so if anything it's points in her favor.
I also read your post before this on optimal pairing, and think I agree with L7’s commentary on it, more or less.
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I think I’d be frustrated regardless of my alignment, fwiwIn post 643, Lady 7 wrote:
Is this town for you or just genuine frustration and therefore not faked?In post 618, Lady 4 wrote:Planet 5 seems genuine in her frustrations here
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Okay, but I was around at the beginning when it started and it really felt like it didn’t matter if I was there or not which is part of why I left to do other things. I don’t think I really implied that it was a nefarious clique, but I kind of see how you could get that reading. But i guess i more meant that i see it as fairly likely that scum could be in there and trying to keep discussion focussed on the group to freeze out other slots. Although now I write that down it feels silly. I guess maybe it makes more sense that scum would not want to risk a townbloc forming early and would have a lot of incentive to be trying to infiltrate that?In post 648, Lady 6 wrote:
it's literally just because no one outside that group was posting for a long whileIn post 581, Lady 5 wrote:It sort of feels like L7, L8, G1, G4, G5, L6 are freezing out the rest of the game and just talking among each other
idk if that means that there is a cluster of scum in there, but it does make the game highly demotivating and uninteresting from the perspective of someone who is outside that, and also I'm somewhat doubtful that scum is entirely outside that grouping even though I don't have strong reads on anyone inside it
it's not a nefarious clique
I was trying to get a handle on you earlier, which I mentioned, but your posts continued to strike me as incredibly null
I think it’s a shame that you didn’t engage with me more if you thought my posting was null. I feel like this is happening repeatedly, fairly or not, that people are saying things that make it really hard to go any further. “Your posts continued to strike me as incredibly null” — okay, so why not do anything to try and rectify that?-
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Maybe L8 or G1? But I’m not sureIn post 652, Lady 6 wrote:Lady Earth 5, what leads you to think there's scum in the block you've mentioned?
Maybe you
I feel best about L7 and G4, I’ve liked G5’s engagements with me so far-
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Okay, I’m sorry if I missed them, and it’s cool, like I said, I don’t think it was necessarily intentional on the part of anyone (unless there is scum in there in which case it’s still probably more s matter of infiltrating/disrupting rather than trying to create a sense of alienation)In post 762, Lady 6 wrote:I like, have? I think we've just missed each other in threads a lot because I've directed posts at you but I don't think you've ever been around to answer them.
I understand why you were frustrated and I'm sorry for contributing to that at all
generally when I'm playing I focus on what's in front of me, especially for a game of this pace, and I had kind of thrown you in a "sort later" pile until I had either the capacity to go back and figure you out or could interact with you more
Okay, so can we talk now? Who do you think I should be thinking about pairing with?-
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If not breaking the rules, why do you think it was so townie?In post 675, Gentleman 6 wrote:Much better. This tophat truly represents everything this game means to me.
Anyways, let's talk about how goddamn townie my prior owner's replace out was, shall we?
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