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Wait, is this a thing?In post 33, farside22 wrote:I already see a few I will have on auto ignore.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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No, I mean like a site feature?In post 37, farside22 wrote:In post 35, Starbuck wrote:
Wait, is this a thing?In post 33, farside22 wrote:I already see a few I will have on auto ignore.
It is for me!<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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Time's Up!In post 58, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Since most of you are freaking old btw, did you guys see that Hyde from that 70s show got arrested for raping 3 women?<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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No, I know abbreviations (I'm actually listed in the official MS one on the Wiki). I'm talking like game specific terms like I know sheeping and pocketing, but wolfing/open wolfing is kinda new to me. I know there's another new term or two that I've seen that I'm not sure of.In post 73, Auro wrote:Do you have any specific terms in mind? I can't recall any which are too recent.
Also, mafia specific, right?
My one post about it is pushing? That's a stretch and a weird one at that. In any case, I was just stating a fact.In post 97, Kmd4390 wrote:I also don't like farside and Starbuck pushing the "I'm cute" thing.
Spoiler: Because I am<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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+1In post 119, Porkens wrote:The best scum find perfectly logical reasons to lynch town.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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I mean, I couldn't care either way. Everyone's version of cute/hot/attractive is different. If it were up to me, the whole player list would be in the cute alliance because we're all so gosh darn adorable. In any case, I think you took a flippant comment and made it serious for no real reason.In post 126, Kmd4390 wrote:When you called yourself adorable you don't think that could be taken as wanting to be in the cute alliance? What was the purpose in that post then? Just completely random?<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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Could I not just want to be confident in myself and share my cuteness, too? Or is that a crime? Like I don't get your angle, dude.In post 131, Kmd4390 wrote:But I even gave you my reason<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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No, to be honest, this has been me through the entire exchangeIn post 143, Porkens wrote:
This pings me as too worried about something pretty silly. Do you really feel unfairly judged by the cutemob speculation game?In post 135, Starbuck wrote:
Could I not just want to be confident in myself and share my cuteness, too? Or is that a crime? Like I don't get your angle, dude.In post 131, Kmd4390 wrote:But I even gave you my reason
I feel like KMD didn't even look at the pic of me in my awesomely blue corset and I'm definitely more upset about that.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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How so? What's your train of thought here?In post 169, Llamarble wrote:Kmd less scummy, reck a bit more.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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Interesting how you answered him, but not my question asking you to expand on your thoughts.In post 185, Llamarble wrote:
Me too. It's sort of a PoE "one of the players I'll have difficulty reading will probably be scum so I shouldn't have them all as high on the list as I do; Reck fits reasonably well as the scum from those"In post 183, xRECKONERx wrote: @marble: v interested why i'm scummy off 5 RVS joke posts<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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It's aimed at everyone that I don't really know. I mean, hell, folks that I haven't chatted with in ages could do it, too, if they felt like it.In post 180, CantHateAPuppy wrote:is this aimed at me
I have looked at so many of my role PMs and just sighed upon reading that I'm in yet another VT slot. On one side, it's like okay, I don't have to give a single fuck, but on the other, things are so boring. It's kind of why I always enjoyed the all powered games on the View Askew Board back in the day.In post 182, Kmd4390 wrote:Random thought I don't get why anyone likes to be a VT.
SAMEIn post 204, xRECKONERx wrote:
i really like this post. a lot.In post 203, Hoopla wrote:
one of the lamentable things about intuition is converting those subconscious rumblings into words. here's an attempt:In post 197, Morning Tweet wrote:don't know how to respond to this sort of criticism. Is there something that seems insincere about it? Sure i couuuld be playing a gimmick so i don't have to pretend to scumhunt or so i can "avoid scrutiny", but also i could just as easily try to fake a bunch of reads and put on my towniest face if i were scum
is there a specific reason you think that's what's happening here?
pedit: your intutition is off then !
opening games tend to fragment into themes - jokers/questionnairers/wagoners etc. alliance crafting/cuteness riffing seemed like the dominant theme on page 1. i expect that scum upon observing the main narrative, tend to play along with it, as its the safest entry into the game. the continued adherence to the established running joke being an exercise in avoidance. a shield, if you will.
In post 214, Green Crayons wrote:not scum together but this call and response isn't great for eitherIn post 215, Green Crayons wrote:tbh i'd be fine with just lynching from this pool of people who want to talk about themselves
Why?In post 220, Green Crayons wrote:then only starbuck gets suspicion points
To GTKAS the folks that I don't really know. This is an Invitational and I'd like to know why some of these players were chosen over others folks that I've seen on site since I've been back. On top of that, a little vulnerability goes a long way with me and I expect those who may be town-aligned to be more forthright than those who may not be.In post 228, xRECKONERx wrote:@starbuck: what are you hoping to gain asking people a bunch of non game related questions
Morning Tweet! Is that a bat in your avatar? Because OMG.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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I giggled way too hard because all I pictured was:In post 254, VP Baltar wrote:
I am VP Baltar, and this...is my Masterclass.In post 252, Hoopla wrote:exciting times. i must say, what a treat for mafia enthusiasts watching along witnessing such a high level of play
I'm looking forward to an answer to this.In post 275, Auro wrote:also pointed out that Starbuck interaction as a "bad look" - what's the association, here, again? And besides, why do Starbuck's RQS and my answer look bad? Is it the mere fact that we're making conversation that's "not game relevant"?
What about them in particular?In post 276, Kmd4390 wrote:I don't like the green crayon votes so I'll jump on the counter wagon.
In post 291, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Explain to me gc vs iamuser
Yeah, I need this, but just about IAUN.In post 292, Albert B. Rampage wrote:and use quotes<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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You shouldn't assume things. You assumed what you thought I was trying to do and have been building a case on me about it without even asking me the why or backing it up with a vote. So why not ask me to explain like Reck did, rather than continue on the fruitless pursuit? Why are you so hellbent on not interacting with me and having a conversation, rather than throw shade?In post 305, Green Crayons wrote:Starbuck's call for discussions not related to finding scum generates activity that doesn't help find scum. Suspicious.
Your decision to take up that discussion not related to finding scum generated activity that didn't help find scum. Suspicious.
Except the second half of that suspicion got shot when I realized that all the "new" people were responding. So only Starbuck gets suspicion points.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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To be fair, UT has 4 and AGar has 5.
I don't care for policy lynches. I may have back in the day, but not so much now. Too many scum can hide in that and to push a policy doesn't really come off as pro-town.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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Whoa. Are you serious? I was just asking you to talk to me and not about me. Why are you going from 0 to 60 here? I'm trying to figure out where your head is at.In post 346, Green Crayons wrote:
Your exaggerated windup to a GC vote is pretty blatant.In post 341, Starbuck wrote:
You shouldn't assume things. You assumed what you thought I was trying to do and have been building a case on me about it without even asking me the why or backing it up with a vote. So why not ask me to explain like Reck did, rather than continue on the fruitless pursuit? Why are you so hellbent on not interacting with me and having a conversation, rather than throw shade?In post 305, Green Crayons wrote:Starbuck's call for discussions not related to finding scum generates activity that doesn't help find scum. Suspicious.
Your decision to take up that discussion not related to finding scum generated activity that didn't help find scum. Suspicious.
Except the second half of that suspicion got shot when I realized that all the "new" people were responding. So only Starbuck gets suspicion points.
- "building a case" was me noting an early D1 suspicion, that auro asked me to restate and explain. a suspicion I'm so won over by that Llama criticized me for *not* voting you over it.
- "why not ask me to explain like Reck did" --> lol why would I repeat Reck's question?
- "Why are you so hellbent on not interacting with me and having a conversation, rather than throw shade? --> there's nothing to have a conversation over. You created an empty calorie discussion point. It makes you look busy without contributing to scum hunting. That's worthy of suspicion, minor as it might be, and I voiced it.
But, really? "hellbent" "throw shade"
My goodness we're sensitive to the slightest suspicion. VOTE: Starbuck
You didn't have to repeat Reck's question, but you could have waited for me to respond or quote him and say "I'm interested in this answer, too." You just weren't interested. You made up your mind without actually talking to me. That's lame AF and not scumhunting at all. That's just jumping to conclusions.
I didn't create any sort of "empty calorie" discussion. The fact that you are assuming my motives without talking to me makes you look like an ass, not me.
You are hellbent. You have been continually bringing me up and not committing to a vote until I called you out on it.
I'm not sensitive, but I don't appreciate being talked about like I'm not in the room.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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Spoiler: Questionnaire Answers
Out of the above, the only one that I'm sad to not see an answer from is Blair because I don't really remember them. I appreciate y'all answering me even if it's considered an "empty calorie" discussion by some. With "noob-ish," I meant new-to-me players, I was typing on my phone and shorthanded it.
In any case, I like to see who is actually willing to be vulnerable and share some insight to themselves and their game play, especially if I don't know you at all. I can go read up a bit and get a better feel for playstyle if I haven't played with you before.
Here's my answers:
1. I started playing on the View Askew Board where each game day was one actual day and you really have to devote like a straight week or two to game play. I was curious if there were other forums that played mafia, did a Google search, and here I was.
2. I loved the series of all-powers games that Tarhalindur and StrangerCoug used to do. On the VA Board, I think my favorite was the Avengers Assemble game where I ended up being an Independent Thanos having to look for gems like 5 years before he was introduced on screen.
3. I have a love/hate relationship with being a VT just because I roll it so often. I prefer third party roles or multiple affiliation games.
4. Everyone in my signature and so many in this game right now.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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It's a play on "assume."In post 364, Green Crayons wrote:
not sure how you could see this as a personal sleight (that I'm somehow calling you an ass?), so inclined to think this is manufacturedIn post 356, Starbuck wrote:I didn't create any sort of "empty calorie" discussion. The fact that you are assuming my motives without talking to me makes you look like an ass, not me.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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The whole thing about voting IAUN for only having 2 posts, but simultaneously ignoring UT and AGar. All 3 have less posts than the mod, but it's still early Day 1-ish, so I don't get it.
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How is Post 338 not policy?In post 389, Blair wrote:My vote on IIAU is pretty clearly not a policy push. You have me confused with someone else.
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It's also a great thing for scum to hide behind. I just don't like it.In post 392, xRECKONERx wrote:Vote the people not contributing until they contribute or die, idk, seems pretty okay to me<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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Post 338. Like I said above. She just straight quoted Porkens. I took that as agreement despite what she said earlier and the requoted reasoning. I see her explanation just above in the pedit, so that makes more sense now.In post 395, CantHateAPuppy wrote:
can you quote blair making this accusationIn post 390, Starbuck wrote:The whole thing about voting IAUN for only having 2 posts, but simultaneously ignoring UT and AGar. All 3 have less posts than the mod, but it's still early Day 1-ish, so I don't get it.
Reading through her ISO, though, I'm bothered by the posts when Reck or Llamarble voted for someone other than IAUN and her telling them they were voting for the wrong person. I just don't think that adds to discussion. You aren't going to shame people onto the wagon that you want to see happen.
I see similarities between the way that she's approaching IAUN with how GC is approaching me. Just talking about someone without talking to the actual person, especially after only 2 posts in the game. She didn't ask IAUN to explain themselves, she just made an assumption and went with it. What happened to actually investigating and talking to those you suspect?<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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Outrage is a strong word. Like there's a lot of harsh adjectives being used concerning me and that's not how I feel at all.In post 396, iamausername wrote:her outrage at any suggestion that this might not be the most useful thing to be doing doesn't feel forced.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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Irritating. Hence, no vote.In post 402, VP Baltar wrote:Starbuck, do you find GC scummy or just irritating?<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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I just think assumptions aren't a good premise for scumhunting. It may be a playstyle difference. I feel it's more town to ask someone to elaborate than to just put words in their mouth and cause a ruckus when your concerns could be addressed fairly easily if you ask. Accompany those questions with a vote, absolutely, but the lack of questions is more concerning to me than the vote itself.In post 403, CantHateAPuppy wrote:why is "making an assumption" about IAUN scummy in this case? if you were blair and made posts 244 and 245 wouldn't it be weirder to cast shade and not vote than vote?<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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I'm leaning town-ish. I appreciated you running through a list of abbreviations like you thought I was nearing like 55, rather than just turning 35 (it made me laugh). You seem pretty bright and bubbly and I dig that, as so many games can get downright harsh and mean. I also appreciated that you didn't hold back from answering my RQS, regardless of how others are now twisting it to be a "call and response." That felt genuine like you were actually excited that someone asked.In post 412, Auro wrote:What's your read on me, Starbuck?
I guess the only thing that kinda bothers me is that you seeming to be flooding the thread way more than the 16 other people that you're playing with. That could just be you as a person, though, but I feel like I'm lost in some of the discussions because the pages are flying by real fast and I'll have to go back to do some re-reading and ISOs to get a better feel on a good chunk of folks.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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This is true. My RVS vote on Reck was stale and it was time to switch it up. Does that make me hypocritical? I probably should have just FOS'd, tbh.In post 421, CantHateAPuppy wrote:but your vote on blair didn't come with any questions either
Reading Blair in ISO shortly after, though, actually confirmed for me that my vote is where it should be right now, so I'm pretty ok with that.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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Again, assumptions are dumb. I'm here and reading. I might have mistaken your case on IAUN as policy (as pages are flying by rather quickly), but I saw your explanation when I wrote out a post about it earlier and said as such. You either have seemingly ignored that or missed it.In post 431, Blair wrote:I pretty carefully laid out what I thought you were doing and why I thought you were doing it.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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Post 401In post 438, Porkens wrote:
Summarize your scumread based on her iso please.In post 426, Starbuck wrote:
This is true. My RVS vote on Reck was stale and it was time to switch it up. Does that make me hypocritical? I probably should have just FOS'd, tbh.In post 421, CantHateAPuppy wrote:but your vote on blair didn't come with any questions either
Reading Blair in ISO shortly after, though, actually confirmed for me that my vote is where it should be right now, so I'm pretty ok with that.
I think it's too easy to go after the quiet ones. I feel like it's an excuse for her not to interact with anyone else. It sucks that they're lurking or maybe with this game starting at 9 pm on a Sunday (for me) that they might be working and such. It's only Tuesday. That's what I think about anyways.In post 439, CantHateAPuppy wrote:
all right, looking at your back and forth with blair, i think you're being inconsistent, but inconsistent in a town wayIn post 426, Starbuck wrote:
This is true. My RVS vote on Reck was stale and it was time to switch it up. Does that make me hypocritical? I probably should have just FOS'd, tbh.In post 421, CantHateAPuppy wrote:but your vote on blair didn't come with any questions either
Reading Blair in ISO shortly after, though, actually confirmed for me that my vote is where it should be right now, so I'm pretty ok with that.
definitely don't argree that going "full bore" on someone with two posts is a bad thing, isn't driving a wagon a good way to get more out of someone?<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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I was wrong about the policy side of things and I admitted it. I can admit when I'm wrong.In post 437, Blair wrote:You acknowledged that you were wrong then immediately doubled down on your read anyway.
However, I doubled down because I saw quite a few things I didn't like once I went to your ISO, which is why I haven't moved my vote.
Your reactions are less than stellar and definitely not giving me reason to move right now.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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I feel I'm more lighthearted, but any interaction with me seems to be taken much more seriously than I intend when I'm just responding. Words like her "outrage" or folks assuming that I feel attacked feel so out of place because I'm not feeling that way. I'm trying to figure out where heads are at or why they think that of me as town, or if they really are scum and are just trying to push a mislynch. I just don't get the hostility behind it.In post 444, CantHateAPuppy wrote:i don't mean this in a rude way. would you call yourself a stubborn person? or more light-hearted? i just want to get a picture of how to read you right
I don't know if folks are pushing buttons on purpose because I'll admit when I was here ages ago, I was probably more of a toxic player sometimes and I don't want to be that. I just want to play the game and enjoy because at the end of the day, it's just a game. If I die, I die. I'll make mistakes. I'll misread shit sometimes. Welcome to mafia!<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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Cool, bring it on.In post 447, Blair wrote:Starbuck is scum, this is the lynch, this is not only a temporary RVS wagon<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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Blair is confounding me with the extreme overreaction where she completely dropped the IAUN lynch and is now full focused onto me. I can't tell if this is a town or scum overreaction, as she is just straight coming for my throat.
Those of you who are more familiar with Blair, is this a town or scum reaction from Blair?<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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SOMEONE WHO KNOWS MY TELL. THANK GOD.In post 455, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Starbuck is always scummy in my experience. I think you guys are getting a false positive.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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I'm so glad that I'm not the only one.In post 466, AGar wrote:Because directly after a post from Starbuck asking to explain the IAAUN wagon, you dropped the Porkens quote devoid of any context. How Starbuck read it is how I read it, as well. It really wasn't hard to get to that point. Not sure how this is something you can't fathom.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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I've gotten lynched more on this site for "being scum" as town than anything else. Seriously. It is what it is. I resigned to it years ago.In post 512, Llamarble wrote:I guess I'll ask - Starbuck what do you mean about 'knowing your tell'<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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I thought I was going to get through catching up tonight, but I'm falling asleep. I'll do some catching up tomorrow.
Thank you. It probably hasn't helped that my attention has been elsewhere through a lot of it.In post 496, Llamarble wrote:
I get that it's easy to miss; he's playing fairly well in terms of not dropping obvious-scumbag-moments.In post 489, Starbuck wrote:What am I missing when it comes to Auro?
But you can start with 'not trying hard enough to find scum.'
Yeah, that was basically it. If Blair had slowed her roll just a little, there may not have been such a big blowup of a misunderstanding. Although, the severe overreaction to one vote blew my mind a bit.In post 508, Llamarble wrote:I'm assuming she read the ISO to clarify her understanding and came across those posts at that time.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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Seriously, weird past few days on the personal side. Apologies for my absence. Go Go Gadget Super Mega Catch Up, Post 1! Mid-to-End of Page 20 to End of Page 25.
I saw it the other day and meant to comment on it, but I didn't care for Auro's over-the-top OMGUS on farside in 497. That, alongside Llamamarble's response to me in 496, concerning what I was missing in regards to Auro is quite ironic, to say the least.
Anyways.....
I don't think I said anything earlier, but I'll say it now AGar's 507 is the perfect summation of the Blair/me thing and I appreciate Llamamarble's addendum regarding my 401 just after. I don't think I would have been as eloquent. So thanks. Ohhhh and I appreciate Reck's 539, too.
I do not like this post one bit. You're putting words in Llamamarble's mouth and making way over the top assumptions. I'm reading a lot of ego and there's a sense of being too sure. Yeah, don't like.In post 522, Auro wrote:There you go. And no, that type of observation about VP Baltar is not inferable from current play.
You will not like any vote of mine - either it will be a difficult read and thus comfortable, or an easy read who you find towny, or an "easy read that's scummy" (to you) that's, again, comfortable for me.
See: you're fitting my play to a scum agenda, without actually solving my play. You're adding the "what would I do" lens to every action of mine.
Yeah, your continual misrepresentation of my intentions and actions, and your heightened volatility, has actually made my vote (even while being mistaken at first) absolutely worth it.In post 545, Blair wrote:I don't believe Starbuck's plan was to lynch me. I believe Starbuck plucked something out of context that she felt she could plausibly scumread to push a vanity wagon.
Have you contributed about anything else going on in the thread besides this back and forth? I bet your ISO is still as abysmal as when I looked at it earlier.
But I wasn't lurking and I just misinterpreted because you quoted directly underneath me about username having 2 posts from Porkens. I can't even count how many times that you've misrepresented me over this now.In post 567, Blair wrote:As in "I feel like I need to go post something soon so I don't look like I'm lurking. Ooh, this looks bad, let's vote here" when town would at least take the time to scroll up and read my vote post first to check their theory against it.
I've made mistakes as town all the time. This isn't the first and certainly won't be the last. The fact that you think town could only act one specific way, because you're trying to drive home a point about me, just shows that you're grasping at straws here.
I had literally asked in a post just above about the username wagon and then you quoted Porkens in the very next post. Like I don't know why you're being so obstinate about this, especially when other players have also said they read it the same as I did. Don't drop a quote without context when you have 16 other people having conversations and contributing, as well.In post 567, Blair wrote:I do not believe that town!Starbuck would vote me for that without scrolling up to look for my vote post first, though. I mean, this is really key here: If she only read my naked quote, how did she even have the proper context to know I was voting for or pushing IAAU in the first place?
I appreciate this, Llamamarble's 573, Reck's contribution, and VPB's 623. I'm rusty AF, y'all, but I'm glad I'm not the only lazy fuck who doesn't scroll up.In post 568, Auro wrote:
How many town have you known to actually scroll up and read everything to gain the total truth of context, though, Blair?In post 567, Blair wrote:I do not believe that town!Starbuck would vote me for that without scrolling up to look for my vote post first, though. I mean, this is really key here: If she only read my naked quote, how did she even have the proper context to know I was voting for or pushing IAAU in the first place?
That naked quote, plus the fact that it is often common for town to push someone with 2 posts provides more than enough context already. I doubt anyone actually doubts such a conclusion given the existing context fits perfectly. Yes, she had an inaccurate context read - but it was still a valid one.
Now onto some of the VPB explanations.....I'm going to need to go through his ISO after my catch up and get a feel.
Also the ABR/Reck penis measuring contest on Page 25 takes me back.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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In post 631, VP Baltar wrote:I tend to get scum read a lot as either alignment. I think it's my face.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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Catch Up #2, Electric Boogaloo. I know y'all missed my condensed catch-ups. Page 26 to 28 (that got long fast.....that's what she/he/they said?)
My previous post was already too long, but some stuff from VPB's wagon analysis
I full-on laughed out loud at this.In post 621, VP Baltar wrote:Back in the day when I played with ABR, we didn't really have a name for his style. Nowadays, I would probably call it Trumping.
Auro has such a long ISO already, can you point me to some applicable posts, please?In post 621, VP Baltar wrote:Now is when things start to get more interesting. Auro's vote and then quick abandonment is a HUGE scumtell. I was a mildly up and coming wagon and he saw that as he was facing pressure. His reason for voting me was "gut" townread on Green Crayons, whose wagon happened to be waning. I took time to give him an opportunity to explain something I was missing there, but clearly my initial twinge was right, hence the vote. That much should have been quite obvious to anyone mildly looking at that interaction (an important point later when we get to the squad saying 'VPB hasn't done anything town yet this game!' ~ which is completely "give me a break" territory given the folks saying it.)
I was feeling this as I was going through 20-25, but glad some of y'all called this out in the moment. It's quite hypocritical given that one of her points about me is that I was lurking scum looking for something to do.In post 627, Hoopla wrote:
i agree with this. at a certain point, it has started to look like blair is simply using her starbuck-gotcha-moment as a device to avoid participating in other conversation threads.In post 624, Morning Tweet wrote:pedit/ Probably one of the strongest things i've felt so far is that Blair feels like she's attacking Starbuck way too hard. It feels a tad fake. But also i don't exactly see why she tunnels that hard as scum, it's not making her look good imo
Also, I left off Morning Tweet in my previous catch up, but I appreciated her input, too.
This is where I'm stuck, too. I was initially reading him towards the town side of things, then it flipped more null to scum, then back towards town, and back scummy again. It's weird.In post 646, Hoopla wrote:auro? - i keep flip-flopping on this one, and feel i am relying on others' experiences to get insight into how he actually behaves as either alignment (something i don't like doing). it's clear he operates on a different frequency, so i'm unsure how i'm supposed to be reading him and what tells apply to him given he's expressed ability and desire to deliberately subvert some. at the moment, i'm defaulting the group wisdom on him and won't resist his lynch if the town deems him worthy. but personally, i'd rather get a good secondary wagon going on someone in my lynchpool until i figure him out.
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good post-content to post-number synchronicityIn post 666, CantHateAPuppy wrote:to be honest, im not really a puppy
I'm not. It's all you've talked about.In post 672, Blair wrote:I am stunned that anyone is scumreading me for pushing Starbuck too hard, because I've been waiting for someone to scumread me for not pushing her hard enough any moment now.
Oh well.
Oh finally, as I read further, you're engaging in the game rather than the tunnel.
This is a good point.In post 682, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
Blair and VP Baltar cross defense should be noted by everyone. One is likely using the other to further their mafia wincon.In post 621, VP Baltar wrote:What I do think is important about the ABR vote is that it comes right after I point out he has a useless vote camped on Blair.
That's another ISO that I need to look at. I'm looking forward to your analysis.In post 693, xRECKONERx wrote:ok legit before you quoted this i was going to call it out bc honestly CLAP has been pinging me as weird for a hot minute now and i havent been able to put my thumb on it
note to self to do an iso dive and figure out what posts left that stink in my brain
Something interesting for me on Page 28. Both Blair and GC jump from my wagon to UT's, rather than the two top competing wagons. I don't know if it says anything or it's a weird coincidence, but I just felt like it needed noting.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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Catch-up #3, You're hot and you're cold, you're yes and you're no. Page 29 - top of 32.
Welcome to the club, UT! Can I get you a mimosa?
This feels a bit overdefensive.In post 715, Auro wrote:2. Someone attacked MT for posting elsewhere - please keep in mind that some of us are actively making efforts to post lesser. I've been called out for spam already, and I decided I wouldn't make the game unpleasant for you folk by appearing everywhere.
I need to keep ABR's 716 in mind when I go back for the deep dive on VPB.
At this point, and even on the current page that this will post on, he's still voting farside, right?In post 733, Llamarble wrote:I think Auro is confusing people because he's scum playing pretty well.
He kept his vote movement from being too simple, gave reads and reasons and introspection, showed a bit of cheekiness.
The thing that's missing is the underlying attempt to actually figure out the game or signs of caring about directing the lynch toward scum.
And for his defensive methods, there is too much focus on 'your logic is bad or not presented.'
That may or may not be a side effect of how much this thread seems to be The Auro Show, as quite a lot of your input just seems to be as a means of being over the top active.In post 734, Auro wrote:It is somewhat annoying that whatever reads I do post get dismissed and discredited and then I'm branded as not putting in effort but that's fine.
Good. I was hoping someone caught this in the moment.In post 754, CantHateAPuppy wrote:also why is there a UT wagon? blair jumped on because albert said UT was an option. the only time i can find albert talking about UT is calling a vote UT made good. GC is voting UT because of some vague suspicions (see 381). actually, vpb is the only poster i've found so far expressing significant doubts about UT, and he's not even on the wagon. i think this wagon looks a little weird and am not sure what to make of it
Tell me why......ain't nothing but a heartache.In post 756, iamausername wrote:i have narrowed my pool of acceptable lynches to VP Baltar and Can'tLynchAPuppy.
Liking UT's 775.
+1In post 775, Untrod Tripod wrote:town players don't play optimally.
Not liking Auro's 779 initially. Noting to go back and re-read it in full.
And when folks are saying that you're blowing up the thread, fluffposting, and not adding much, this is a great example. Are you trying to shade AGar here? Or just being condescending for no apparent reason? It doesn't come off well when you're one of the main reasons why some of us are so far behind.In post 780, Auro wrote:
A complaint about 5 pages... cute.In post 778, AGar wrote:fuck all y’all for fucking 5+ pages exploding overnight.
For me, I typically will go ahead and post when I'm behind just so have an endpoint or something to work towards to have in my own ISO, as well.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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Wait, what? We were all posting in real-time when that happened. It wasn't something after the fact. I misread and misunderstood, sure, but had she not gone 0-60 so fucking fast that wouldn't have blown up the way it did. All she would have had to do was look back and go "oh shit, that quote from Porkens ended up right under SB's post." There were misunderstandings all the way around there, dude. Not just with me.In post 787, Kmd4390 wrote:It really shows how clear Blair was about why she had voted iamausername and how it was other people, not her, who cared about iamausername having just two posts. I kinda scratched my head when Starbuck called that vote policy, but seeing it right there in one place like that reallyshows how badly Starbuck misrepped Blair.
Literally, her explanation in 398 came as I was writing 401 and I referenced the pedit in 401. That should have squared it away. Instead, she kept right on truckin.
You crossed it out, I'm answering anyways. It felt like a policy push in the real-time moment. So I thought I'd pop a vote on her to see how she reacted, which was quite badly, regardless of my misunderstanding. As I was going through her ISO to understand where my misunderstanding came from and formulate 401, the pedit came in as I previewed and I realized that I had misunderstood and said as such:In post 787, Kmd4390 wrote:Starbuck, how did that post confirm for you that you should be voting Blair? Where do you see scum motivation in the way she explained her position?
That, right there, should have been the end of the misunderstanding related talk. I kept my vote because what I read in her ISO (after voting, unfortunately) and her over-the-top reaction (even after I confirmed misunderstanding) solidified keeping the pressure there.In post 401, Starbuck wrote:Post 338. Like I said above. She just straight quoted Porkens. I took that as agreement despite what she said earlier and the requoted reasoning.I see her explanation just above in the pedit, so that makes more sense now.
Because other folks, besides me, had the same misunderstanding in regards to how those posts fell and they can understand why I thought it was policy in the real-time moment of those posts popping up.In post 787, Kmd4390 wrote:I'm a little confused why so few people have talked about Starbuck much less voted there. Between the reactions to myself and green crayons voting her, the misrep of Blair and discrediting of the iamausername votes based on post count, and this OMGUS accusation, I just don't see how anyone has a town read on Starbuck or doesn't find her posting notable.
A good chunk of our fellow long-time players could see it for what it is. I'm surprised you can't.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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Catch up #4 - Are we fucking done yet? Page mid-32 to 34.
+1In post 788, farside22 wrote:This describes perfectly how i feel about auro. I see him asking players about a few people but i don't see anything that looks like an attempt to figure out those he finds scummy.
It's not basically. It is OMGUS.In post 790, farside22 wrote:Funny enough I don't see auro as town doing this. Hes usually more inquisitive and can be quiet rational. So until I see that player in the game my scum read on him stays. I think his push on me is basically omgus.
135 posts and counting at this point in my catch up, too.In post 795, farside22 wrote:You haven't pushed anyone so laziness should not be a factor.
And he can go take the time to put together some quotes from a finished game, but not have a single case here. It's so weird.In post 795, farside22 wrote:Hell an attempt to put together a bunch of quote and calling a player some was the biggest thing you did in Animal Upick and you can barely do that without shit posting.
I like hoopla's 801.
I lol'd.In post 807, AGar wrote:
Do you have a mute button?In post 805, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
The 2 lynches I helped engineer are Auro and VP Baltar, sir. Either way this goes, I am the driving force in this game.In post 803, AGar wrote:I don't like that the wagon is rooted in ABR's desire to look like he's the one in charge of the town and the rah-rah bullshit that follows and IAAUN's straight desire to counter the Auro wagon.
Does your pointless ego ever run out of battery?
It is known.In post 816, Hoopla wrote:vi is also scum.
So what's the consensus on like catch-up posts? For example, I started doing these when I started doing a lot of replacing into games because I didn't want to flood the thread on the back end. I think I typically end up somewhere in the middle anyways, so it doesn't necessarily matter.In post 819, Green Crayons wrote:firebringer has a similar theory that he used in a game that ended not too long ago, based on some sample of games, but it was from the opposite perspective about most active posters are most likely town
YEP.In post 825, VP Baltar wrote:Between that and the rampant discussions about mafia theory and meta that I just glaze over, I'm lulled into a state of "I just want to ignore this person." and then I remember I could not for the life of me tell you who Auro actually thinks is scum. The play reeks and should actually be lynched.
You're not. I had an all-day work thing on Weds and yesterday I found out that my Great-Grandfather (who walked out on our whole family in like the '50s) passed away back in February and my Great Aunt knew but never told my Grandmother (her sister) because they haven't spoken in like 10 years although they still live like 15 min away from each other. I had to call my Grandmother in Connecticut, while I'm in Florida, to tell her that her father died six months ago and her sister couldn't have been arsed to tell her. So it's been a weird few days.In post 838, VP Baltar wrote:How am I supposed to help kmd and Starbuck and Porkens actually catch up and post?
I'd appreciate this. I think I've picked up on most of it on my own, but a one-stop-shop post about it all would be helpful.In post 838, VP Baltar wrote:I will try tomorrow though to put a more succinct Auro case in one place because it has certainly been spread out over a lot of pages.
If you stand for nothing Burr, what'll you fall for?In post 845, Albert B. Rampage wrote:If you stand alone, what do you stand for?
ALL OF THAT POST. Man, this was the ABR that I wanted in Weakest Link. YAAAAASSSSSSS.
I know who I want to choose, but is it still viable?In post 849, Albert B. Rampage wrote:@MT @Starbuck choose VP Baltar or Auro. We need to work together and consolidate early.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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Catch up #5 - BORN TO HAND JIVE, BABYYYYYYYYYYY. Page 35 to
+1In post 862, Auro wrote:Misreps out of ignorance are different from misreps out of dishonesty, ABR.
+1In post 865, AGar wrote:So, uh, Auro, where are those magic fucking scumreads that were promised not so long ago?
Seriously, there'd be a whole wagon of people that are just as responsible.In post 873, Llamarble wrote:He seems like a solid player but I don't have him in my "if he's ever wrong he needs to go" category.
I think you're giving him too much credit.In post 874, Auro wrote:ABR's controlling and restricting lynches instead of organically letting them happen.
You aren't going to get that today, so you should start looking at the other options because parking your vote there and the way that you parked vote there is not very good.In post 874, Auro wrote:I want a farside lynch
On top of that, you literally are voting her because of some talk that y'all had about your meta. It's lame and it sucks. You want a farside lynch? Build a case on what she's done in this game and not based on whatever meta conversation that y'all were having.
Porkens went from lackadaisical farmhouse pig to wild boar at ABR in 877. Holy shit. AND HE DID MY RQS! That makes my heart happy.
I FINALLY FOUND MY FIRST CATCH UP POST FROM THIS MORNING. THANK THE ENTIRE PANTHEON. FRAKKING HELL.
Yours?
I was thinking it has something to do with whatever info he has.In post 921, Kmd4390 wrote:ABR wanting to run VP up to L-1 specifically rather than lynching feels weird. Like he's interested in a claim more than convinced VP is scum.
I like Blair's 929 and her 934 follow up.
I FOUND THE END. Goddess Bless.<3 Kise, Reck, dram, tans, & Kats <3-
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