I don't need to scumhunt whileSpyreX wrote:See, what we have here is a lack of scumhunting. We need to be looking for humans already.
And I've found one. Not just any human, but because they're so fat I have to assume that not only do they want to kill us, they want to EAT US TOO.
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Mostly because of this exchange:Sleepy wrote: Reason?
Wall-E wrote: I think I'm lynched by some retards (or scum).
Anyway I'm a Werewolf Tracker. My role PM infers that I'm a seer.Panda wrote: Uhh, you aren't?
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I guessPorkens wrote:
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Reason?
Mostly because of this exchange:
Wall-E wrote:
I think I'm lynched by some retards (or scum).
Anyway I'm a Werewolf Tracker. My role PM infers that I'm a seer.
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Uhh, you aren't?
I don't get it. You don't believe his claim or something?Idon't get it. I interpreted your response as a refutation.
For being full on a wagon for one player and hopping off for another at L-1? Yes, I think that's scummy. I don't understand the second part of your question; would I have been satisfied lynching Wall-E without a claim (from Wall-E?) when he (Wall-E again?) had already softclaimed a power role? Yeah, I'd have been satisfied with that considering you refuted his hard claim.Quote:
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I think it was incredibly scummy to stop the wagon like that. If Wall-E Flips mafia, FoS on M4yhem.
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I took back my Wall-E vote because Sleepy pointed out that I had missread his refutation of Wall-E's claim.Lord Gurgi wrote: Porkens has not defended himself
As I said before, I had no reason or obligation to regurgitate everything that y'all had already said about M4yhem. I thought it was a good lynch based on what the town had said and the panic in M4yhems defenses, so I voted for him.-
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Well, that will teach me to not voice my gut instincts. I thought BM was scummy from the beginning because of his hardcore "omfg lynch now" policy. I also assumed that my intuition about BM "tracking" Wall-E would be ruled "the worst logic I have ever seen." I guess I need to be more aggresive/vocal. NOW it will look like I'm just jumping on another bandwagon. Well, I 100% feel this way too cerebus.
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I think doubts about his claim, coupled with his erratic behavior (tracking BM, voting BM, unvoting BM), is worth the risk you speak of donkey.donkeyz12212 wrote:So the confusion lies with whether Wall-E is telling the truth about being a tracker or not?
Is it enough to risk lynching him and potentially losing a roled player?
If I'm reading everything right; those of us who are voting Wall-E are operating under the suspicion that he and BM are scum buddies who attempted to clear "each other," essentially. If I'm wrong already, let me know.
Last night I was fairly certain we were moving in the right direction but a little doubt has crept up in my mind today.
I guess my concern/question is; If Wall-E was trying to clear his scum buddy, why would he vote him at all? Wouldn't tracking and reporting no visitation be enough to accomplish the 'clear'? (WIFOM maybe?) I know I'm discussing maf tactics here, but with our lynch yesterday, I'm paranoid.
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Sorry LG, just had quite a day of work, I didn't mean to sound snappy, I see now that you were just trying to help.
I was playing with the sentence structure:
"Even ifitis WIFOM."
"Even ifwhatis WIFOM?"
As to the origional comment;
(let me start by saying I don't think I'm being ignored)farside22 wrote:I'm against lynching Wall-E even if she is confused. There are other people who look scummy and are being ignored. Porkens makes sense even if it is WIFOM
I've thought this over today, and I must agree that it makes more sense to look at other options/scummy players than to risk loosing a claimed power-role who's acting, at worst, only scum-like.
Yes, I know that I am one of those other options. I'll take another look at the situation and post again tonight. So, until then:
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@ LG
I'm pretty sure you would still be voting for me even if I had stayed on the Wall-E wagon. But here's my reasoning anyway;Lord Gurgi wrote:Vote: Porkensfor reasons stated yesterday and not voting anyone when he was the #2 wagon.
Yesterday and into last night I was worried that we, who were voting Wall-E, were voting to lynch a confused townie rather than a lousy scum. The BM/Wall-E scumbuddy theory had ceased appealing to me during the discussion ofwhyWall-E would vote his scum partner.
In addition to this, Wall-E admitted that he didn't know what Verbatim meant. To me, that explained all the crap that Spydermex was basing his wagon on, and further caused me to suspect that Wall-E was just confused.
As for not votinganyonewhen I was the #2 wagon, I don't really know how to defend against this because I don't know why it's scummy. I guess I'll just admit that I didn't know who to vote for at the time.
I’m going to respond a bit to SpyreX’s post here:
But the claim was real, so how does this put Septia in a good light? Scum can be consistent too.SpyreX wrote: Not Very Suspicious:
Septia - Has been uniformly against the claim from the start.
But what about being hypocritical with the very same post?SpyreX wrote: Lord Gurgi - Voting for exactly the reason I expected, and saying so.Lord Gurgi in 398 wrote: I don't think that "unvote, vote" posts help the town at all.
I admit that this is a little OMGUS for being voted by LG every single free moment he had, but take a look at his posts between night 1 and now; there's hardly any content! He just happily wagons me until a better wagon comes along and then hops on over to help misslynch.Lord Gurgi in post 501 wrote: Ummm, (Wall-E’s win condition)’s different than mine. Unvote; Vote Wall-E
I somewhat agree with your top 3 here based on the Wall-E voters. Although I would also include Lord Gurgi for what I’ve pointed out above.SpyreX wrote: Cerebus3 - Although he brings up the case (on top of me). I really dont like the "Anyone else see this?" without a vote or even a FoS at that point. I dont like building cases without backing them up, at all.
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Raider - Late vote, mostly lurked, no true reason for the vote (not even I agree, just I noticed what he said).
Coheed - Late vote, mostly lurked.. bad quantifier "Wall-E- he's been caught, or thats what its really looking like"
To add a little more to your analysis; there were two people who jumped off my wagon directly onto the wagon which was on Wall-E; Raider and Gurgi. I ultimately thought that the case against Wall-E was moderate at best, so I perceive these two jumping wagons as highly suss. Especially if they really believed I was scum.
One person clearly lines up well between your reasoning and mine; Raider.
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I’m also puttingFOS farside22andFOS Grimmyfor being such background players; voting an unpopular Cambria wagon yesterday and contributing very little on an important day.
Finally, it cannot go without note that theonlythree people to vote forbothmisslynches were SpyreX, Raider, and Cass.FOS SpyreX,FOS Cass. Before you jump down my throat, I realize both were well-rationalized lynches. However, the coincidence can’t be overlooked.-
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You weren't thinking about Wall-E's claim when you accused him of being scumbuddies with BM? Their relationship in the game was built on that claim and the repercussions it had.Besides, I wasn't thinking about Wall-E's claim when I made that post. I was just speculating about how a BM and Wall-E pairing would make sense. When I realized that Wall-E had done something else scummy, I voted him.
Did you believe Wall-E's claim? If so; why FoS him?
Did you think his claim was a lie? If so; why say now that you weren't thinking about it.
Did you forget that he had claimed? That can't be:
Forgive me if I'm missguided in jumping up your tube about this, but the claim was central to what we all thought about Wall-E and you are saying that it didn't factor into your logic. Can you please clarify?cerebus3 wrote:You know, I beginning to wonder if there is merit to the whole speculation that Wall-E would have to be a scum partner with BM.
BM seems to be doing everything in his power to make people believe Wall-E is dumb town, Wall-E just happens to target BM with his night action, then BM claims vanilla just to confirm Wall-E as town.
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So you are voting me because I unvoted from a wagon that I no longer believed in?
I don't think my FOS is crap. I think I'm FOSing people who may be trying to stay out from under the attention of others. Maybe two isn't a bandwagon, but I don't think that's enough to vote for me.
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Asking someone what they think of someone else doesn't mean your trying to be their buddy. I want to get a feeling for what SpyreX thinks of Camb because I haven't heard him say anything about her(?) yet and it's pertinent since others seem highly suss of cam.
You're second quote there makes no sense as evidence for me to be in SpyreX's pocket; I'm refuting what Spyrex said about Cerebus. SpyreX said Cerebus built a case against Wall-E/BM with no vote. I said that Spyrex did the same thing, so his point about Cerebus wasn't valid.-
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Did you re-read the case on Coheed? Did you come up with anything?donkeyz12212 wrote:I'm trying to read the case over on Coheed atm. I'm still a bit confused as to what he is doing to be suspicious but will respond once I read over his posts.
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Never mind, she did respond, my bad. But still, nothing else to say on the subject?Porkens wrote:
Yeah, you forgot Farside22. Why suddenly change your vote when farside22 hasn't responded to it yet?
Did I forget anyone? Oh yes, I'll not vote Coheed yet. He does seem scummy, but it could be lack of reading the game. I'd prefer a Donkey or Gurgi lynch today.
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Well, I think I see what's going on here, and I think it's retarted. Furthermore; is it really ok for us to be so specific about the exact words in our PMs? Aren't we obligated to paraphrase (use synonyms)? If so, how can we compare what yours says to what mine says, since we may both use different synonyms? I think it's a bad line of questioning to persue if, in fact, and as I interpret, we must paraphrase.
How about this: My win condition (paraphrased) states that:
aftereach of theadversariesofthegroup of lunatic lycanthropesaredestroyed,Iwill bevictorious.
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Thefarside22 wrote:Porkens wrote:aftereach of theadversariesofthegroup of lunatic lycanthropesaredestroyed,Iwill bevictorious.
Lycanthropes? Umm as far as I know the villagers are the bad guys and the wolves are the good guys. Tell me I'm not losing it.ADVERSARIES OFthe lycanthropes are destroyed. Not the lycanthropes.
Fine; "werewolf pack" is the exact phrase used in my win condition that is used to express the "village" the "good guys" "my group" "blue" "not scum"
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Cult?
I strongly suspect that there is something like this going on. There’s some other evidence of more than one nightkilling group;Jebus wrote: Just a thought, that it doesn't seem anyone's noticed yet... Black back clan = cult/second mafia?Night Kills wrote:The morning did however bring ill news, since SleepyPanda was foundmauledup on his hill. Things were starting to look grim.
The next morning they all came down, except Battle Mage who was foundmauled.
All too happy they came town to the village square, only to find Grimmymissing. He was later founddead.
Masons?
Where I come from, masons recruit too. And if both Spyrex and LG are telling the truth, and they both have different Cubs, and those cubs are really masons, we may have a group of masons out there too (which, I can only assume, would be good)Night Kills wrote: Grimmy (Werewolf cub a.k.a. mason) Nightkilled N3
Claiming?
Well, since you guys have started the claims already, I think we should continue..I’m a vanilla townie werewolf
However, I strongly caution everyone to keep in mind that there is an excellent possibility of a recruiting cult in this game. I’d assume a worst case scenario to look like: 3 Humans, 4 Cult, and only 3 honest Werewolves left.
Questions, Ideas
1) I think SpyreX’s role claim can be believed based on his breadcrums.
2)@Raider, how do you find the Alpha?
3)FoSonSeptiafor saying nothing today except “2 scum groups? RUT ROH!”
4)@donkey: what do you mean by this:
What/Who switched to majority?Donkey wrote: Given the way the votes went, I'm more inclined to believe Porkens = not scum since it was 4-4 and then switched to majority.
Please elaborate on your process.Donkey wrote: These 4 top my suspicion list based on process of elimination.
5) Raider, I’d really like you to explain to me whyyouare now so certain that I am town.
Leaning Town:
Cass
Spyrex
Jebus
Leaning Scum:
Cerebus3
Raider
Profoundly leaning Scum(These are the only two players to have been voting for a townie at:every lynch so far)
Lord Gurgi
Donkey
I'm Paranoid That The Following People Are Cult(?):
Farside22
Spyrex
Septia
My vote now goes on;
Vote: Donkey
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I never said I was certain of it, I just strongly suspect that "there is something like that going on."
I don't think it's THAT radical of a possibility;
In SWWII, the Berzerker was also a BP who didn't know if he got shot.
A second killing group might well no-kill if they knew their presence was a secret.
That does not explain the change in text betweencerebus3 wrote: The other werewolf clan is clearly the primary mafia group, as evidenced by the fact that coheeds role says mafia explicitly. Also, the mauled MO supports this.mauledandmissing...dead.
Shit or get off the pot; "interesting . . ." means nothing. State your suspicions one way or the other (please).cerebus wrote: Jumping to the conclusion that there has to be more than one scum group isinterestingthough...-
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I kinda wish you hadn't done this much analysis before Jebus and Cass claimed, but now that it's out there;
If the Alpha knows who s/he is and wasn't sent a vanilla role.SpyreX wrote: Now, the other funny thing is - we've got someone (raider) who has said they are a protector for a role that hasn't been claimed. Again, we have to look at Cass or Jebus; if neither of them are the Alpha wolf, then we've got an issue.
Or our mod decided to make cop useless (no power to distinguish good wolves from bad wolves).SpyreX wrote:So in that setup, we've got either a cult or one of them is lying.
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Donkey; I'll be honest, all of what you just said and the way you said it just makes me want to hang you right now...
But I want to hear from Cass and Jebus first.
And, you need to explain how you are so certain SpyreX is scum. Out of all the claims; I find his the most believable because of his Day1 breadcrumbing.-
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It's not idiotic because;and Porkens, if you are town, I think it's an idiotic move to put me at L-1 especially given the claims.
1) You claimed second. You breadcrumbed COP.
2) Since you claimed second; you've just pointed to Jebus as your role.
3) You said you were SO important to the town; but all you have left is watcher.
4) you say you have the same role as Jebus but you haven't claimed a vig power; did you shoot someone already?
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If you claim the role there are consequences. Ok. What are the consequences? Please spell them out in as much detail as possible.donkeyz12212 wrote: And the reason I am being obtuse is that I don't want to claim anything because in my role it says if I claim a certain role = consequences for town. I dont even know if the mod would even say I claimed now lol.-
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:facedesk:Lord Gurgi wrote:Donkey, can you explain why you're clearing someone because they seem like town? I'm now thinking that donkey and Porkens are scum. Especially considering when it was questioned he dropped the clearing Porkens as well as the suspicion of me. Which he waspositiveabout before.
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May I ask what the wording of the confirmation was? Specifically; was it something like "you are both the same alignment" or was it (I hope not) "You are both non-humans/wolves"?Cass wrote:My PM did not confirm him, but the mod did in our quicktopic thread. So yes, we were confirmed town to eachother.
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I admire your initiative and fully support your plan;donkeyz12212 wrote:How about this - If Jebus claims he is Alpha Wolf - you guys can lynch me and prove that he is lying. In that process, you can will be able to clear Raider, as he would be telling the truth, and Cass. Jebus would be scum.
I'm not saying I am the Alpha Wolf due to consequences and reasons I said before but if Jebus does claim that, he is scum 100% positive. Why would a townie claim a role that doesn't belong to them.
So essentially I'm willing to sacrifice myself if it means that it clears Raider and Cass. Well Raider i don't know if he is telling teh truth btu the fact that he brings up alpha wolf protector before any indication of an alpha wolf in the game makes me confident he is town.
The only thing is, I have one night action (Track) left to use so I was hoping to use that lol. But if it goes to waste and I die today, it's fine lol.
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