SIR Disease Mafia - Game Over!

[Alchemist21]

Does that mean Pisskop is infected?

No. Piss claimed infected, which, to me, just means he is lying by claiming one less than what he actually is, which is group Scum.

That is not something scum would do.

[Alchemist21]

Does that mean Pisskop is infected?

No. Piss claimed infected, which, to me, just means he is lying by claiming one less than what he actually is, which is group Scum.

That is not something scum would do.

It's something liars do.

Are you calling Pisskop a compulsive liar?

[Alchemist21]

Does that mean Pisskop is infected?

No. Piss claimed infected, which, to me, just means he is lying by claiming one less than what he actually is, which is group Scum.

That is not something scum would do.

It's something liars do.

Are you calling Pisskop a compulsive liar?

Scum kinda have to lie to save their ass...

And groupscun are going to claim infected instead of just plain Town because...?

[Alchemist21]

Because they have already been caught as being Scum.

No he was possibly infected. Totally different from being caught as group scum.

[Alchemist21]

They might at later points when it's *not* in town's best interests to lynch them anyway

Guys you can highlight text and press the quote button.

I was getting to that Auro!

[Alchemist21]

It looks like scum who didn’t want to fumble on an existing fakeclaim so they took it back and claimed VT so they wouldn’t be backed into a corner of having to explain Night Actions.

this is what scum grasping at straws looks like. It is currently 8 v 7. If we ml today or even if we didn't lynch and mafia used their last kill to kill an uninfected they'll reach parity and win. What "night actions" does he need to would he ever need to explain b/c there won't be a tomorrow unless we lynch correctly today.

Oh so Radical’s your scumbuddy? Ok we’re 2/3 now. Who’s 3rd?

[Alchemist21]

Radical Cat, Nero Cain are 2 group scum.

My man!

[Alchemist21]

Because they have already been caught as being Scum.

No he was possibly infected. Totally different from being caught as group scum.

Except it goes against your win con to claim infected as infected. This has been documented by the mod in this thread. That's why I think Piss isn't claiming infected as infected.

Well if he’s not group scum and he’s not infected then he must be...?

[Alchemist21]

Because they have already been caught as being Scum.

No he was possibly infected. Totally different from being caught as group scum.

Except it goes against your win con to claim infected as infected. This has been documented by the mod in this thread. That's why I think Piss isn't claiming infected as infected.

Well if he’s not group scum and he’s not infected then he must be...?

There's literally NOTHING saying he can't be group Scum.

There is actually but if you can’t see that he’s obviously not group scum then I can’t help you.

[Alchemist21]

Alright, let’s lynch Rat.

Why?

Because rats spread the bubonic plague, are you gonna let them spread the coronavirus too?

[Alchemist21]

Alright, let’s lynch Rat.

Why?

Because rats spread the bubonic plague, are you gonna let them spread the coronavirus too?

I'm not interested in PL's at this stage of the game.

Your funeral. I’ll make sure if has plenty of masks and hand sanitizer.

[Alchemist21]

Why in the world would scum, that's about to win, retract his fakeclaim? thats like just begging for a lynch.


VOTE: Alchemist21

Because there’s always an inevitable massclaim. Everyone knows that.

[Alchemist21]

Interesting. A Nero vs Alchemist.

That ship sailed yesterday. If multiple people are on board we can go back though.

[Alchemist21]

I see no one else really wanting to vote for Piss and I really don't know why...

Because everyone who’s read but you gets it.

[Alchemist21]

I see no one else really wanting to vote for Piss and I really don't know why...

Because everyone who’s read but you gets it.

Then you should have no problem telling me...

I’ll let Pisskop do it.

[Alchemist21]

Why in the world would scum, that's about to win, retract his fakeclaim? thats like just begging for a lynch.


VOTE: Alchemist21

Because there’s always an inevitable massclaim. Everyone knows that.

he claimed what? infection proof? How is that not a claim that scum can just coast on?

Who wouldn’t expect a part 2 to that claim?

[Alchemist21]

another reason I believe Nero to be scum and why I see what Quick’s saying is I would definitely claim infection proof as town.

I would definitely claim having been infected as scum.

But that’s you. Nobody gambits like you.

[Alchemist21]

Rat, Nero, Pisskop is my solve right now. I’m probably not 100%.

For sure take Pisskop out.

[Alchemist21]

gobbles

Wow still? And you say

I

don’t make sense.

[Alchemist21]

Umm why do you read me as infected? Like last night?

Probably just because you’re agreeing with me.

[Alchemist21]

FL also claimed uninfectable. If Rat was scum I feel like he could have easily coasted on that claim and thus it makes like 0 sense that scum him would retract that.

And unsurprisingly there was a 2nd part to FL’s claim.

[Alchemist21]

gobbles

Wow still? And you say

I

don’t make sense.

Why does gobble make no sense as scum?

Why would scum infect someone then claim a tracker guilty? Especially a scumteam that isn’t killing its infection targets? And then he’s have to explain not getting infected as a claimed Tracker in a post-Mastina world. It just wouldn’t work.

[Alchemist21]

Also he never really tried hard to get piss lynched.

Well pretty much everyone understands group scum take priority.

[Alchemist21]

I’ll let Pisskop do it.

No Pisskop shouldn't. I'm sure at least Dave would have seen why, Dave can affirm and that should be enough.

Evidently I missed something in the area of what's being validated. Remind me what the "what" is and I'll confirm/deny based on the why. Or give a post range or something. Vague is fine, I do have something kinda in memory here but not sure if that's the subject of the discussion.

I’m pretty sure it’s the thing that took me back out of your scumreads.

[Alchemist21]

maybe FL as the scummist.

He claimed the role that tells us how many new infections happen. Are you seriously pushing that as a scum role?

[Alchemist21]

maybe FL as the scummist.

He claimed the role that tells us how many new infections happen. Are you seriously pushing that as a scum role?

What if it's not a "role" and it's just the mods way of doing that mechanic?

FL would have to have the confidence/knowledge to know that and that it wasn’t some random Townie’s role who could counterclaim it.

[Alchemist21]

Town really needs to work together to pull out a win here. I don't think Town is in a good spot. I thought there were only 5 Scum, but Nero is saying it's 7. Maybe I need to check instead of recall.

Personally I’m betting on 6 scum because I like to bet on the green square on the roulette wheel.

[Alchemist21]

Personally I’m betting on 6 scum because I like to bet on the green square on the roulette wheel.

your math doesn't hold up. 3 OG scum + Piss + n3 infection + 2 new infections on n4=7

This is a misinformation campaign.

There are so many quips I could make about this post that I can’t decide on which one to use.

[Alchemist21]

i am.

i even have 2 people who can collaborate that

Ooh, can you call us Thing 1 and Thing 2 and introduce us like the Cat in the Hat?

[Alchemist21]

Alright, I'm back, mod says I haven't been infected this game.

Alch, talk to me. Who do you see as Scum rn?

Nero. Thinking Radical is scum too, not for the push on Auro because a lot of people have found Auro scummy, but because he changed his predecessor’s claim to VT. It looks like scum who didn’t want to fumble on an existing fakeclaim so they took it back and claimed VT so they wouldn’t be backed into a corner of having to explain Night Actions. And to play setup spec I doubt any VT roles actually exist in this game so that’s why I think the VT claim is a lie.

Hold up there buddy. There were no night actions claimed for me to explain, and just because you don't believe such a role exists without an action doesn't mean I couldn't just double down on that. Also, we LITERALLY have a flipped VT. We exist in the game.



Next up, the promised Auro case.

Who flipped VT?

[Alchemist21]

Oh A50 was VT. Hmm.

UNVOTE: for now.

[Alchemist21]

Actually no need to hold back we just lynch Nero.

VOTE: Nero

[Alchemist21]

almost

How long had you known this?

[Alchemist21]

since last night

And you didn’t say anything about A50 when I pushed Radical Rat? Yeah you’re scum.

[Alchemist21]

LQ why do you have oka as town? Being on all the mislynches notwithstanding, I think he's scummy as fuck for sorta OMGUSing me. Like when he brought up the whole "FL is scummy because he's so burnt out on being scum!" and I said "hey it's not like its an original argument." instead of going "oh your right", he basically said I was lying "because you didn't quote it." Does that seem like a town reaction to you?

maybe that does point to FL town and scum is just alch, gobble, oka

Auro why are you against a massclaim?

More or less that is what I expect from Oka!Town. I would guess Oka wouldn't be as incompetent as Scum.

Damn. No respect.

[Alchemist21]

since last night

And you didn’t say anything about A50 when I pushed Radical Rat? Yeah you’re scum.

ummm what?

I called you out on voting him and I wasn't voting him. Why do you expect to be spoon-fed?

You just said I was grasping at straws without being more specific. Any outsider reading your post would find it vague and unconvincing. You just wanted to push me again.

[Alchemist21]

his "scumhunting" is pretty limited and bad. He was going after town creature, Has been tunneling Ari for most of the game. Go with the flow votes on both hoctac and town 5G. Then sheeping oka and pushing town Nero.

Even today you’re pushing a number of slots that are verifably Town so you have no room to call anyone else’s scumhunting bad.

[Alchemist21]

maybe but how do you know the slots I am pushing are town?

Because I’m one of them, I cured another one, the 3rd found the Infected and allowed me to cure it, and the 4th is a role that’s never scum.

[Alchemist21]

What makes you think Auro is infected, but not Alchemist?

My personal take is that if Alch was infected, it was early. I didn't like Alch's stance on Jake/Creature really.

My night 3 action confirms this not to be the case.

So does mine.

[Alchemist21]

I switched my vote to you before he claimed that.

[Alchemist21]

So you’re gonna ignore the fact that I cured Pisskop?

And you’re shifting the point of conversation from my earlier post. I didn’t say “every” slot you pushed is confTown but a good number of them, which I have pointed out

why

they’re all Town.

[Alchemist21]

Last 2 group scum are probably in Fire/Cheeky/Auro, and I think it’s less than likely that Cheeky/Auro is s/s.

[Alchemist21]

you voted hotac earlier, what made you stop wanting to lynch there?

Why have you stopped pushing rat and Ari?

I could tell Pisskop told Hoctac about me in their hood and Hoctac’s in-game reaction was Towny.

The rat and Ari changes were explained when they happened.

[Alchemist21]

Oh btw,

@Pisskop

idk if you got told when you got cured but you have permanent immunity now.

[Alchemist21]

No it’s at 15.

[Alchemist21]

So you’re gonna ignore the fact that I cured Pisskop?

Did you actually get a mod confirmation that Piss is cured, or did you just try and cure him?

No mod confirmation on my end, that’s why I asked Pisskop if he had something to report the next Day, and he knew what I was talking about when I asked.

[Alchemist21]

So you’re gonna ignore the fact that I cured Pisskop?

Did you actually get a mod confirmation that Piss is cured, or did you just try and cure him?

No mod confirmation on my end, that’s why I asked Pisskop if he had something to report the next Day, and he knew what I was talking about when I asked.

There's one MAJOR problem with this...

It goes against your win con to claim infected as infected.

He hard claimed infected after he was cured. Before that he was basically guiltied by the Blair/Gobble combo.

[Alchemist21]

So you’re gonna ignore the fact that I cured Pisskop?

Did you actually get a mod confirmation that Piss is cured, or did you just try and cure him?

No mod confirmation on my end, that’s why I asked Pisskop if he had something to report the next Day, and he knew what I was talking about when I asked.

There's one MAJOR problem with this...

It goes against your win con to claim infected as infected.

He hard claimed infected after he was cured. Before that he was basically guiltied by the Blair/Gobble combo.

And... don't you think that doesn't actually make any sense? What motivation is there for him to claim he was infected AFTER the fact? That really doesn't do it for me... at all.

It was a gambit, he basically admitted as much, and I can find the post where he says it.

[Alchemist21]

ok piss tell us what you know as infected pls

1: that if we have an infected player, they are either scum lying or (were) town.
1a: the mod will state how many new people were infected at day break. As long as we can keep track of who was infected we can mechaclear them. kind of, we know they arent og scum.
1b: for scum to lie about being infected, the townie who was infected has to keep their mouths shut about the lie. Harder than people might think, but by no means impossible.

2: I know that I share the scum wincon. Meaning that theoretically, I should be trying to muddy the waters and et al.

3: I dont know who scum is, nor why they would want to kill me, as an infected player. My guess is it provides some sort of night power.

4: the reason why scum got 2 factional kills was because they balanced out poorly versus mountainous without it.
4a: scum are weaker than town is.

5: Im clear from being og scum. A50 is . . . not? I dont want to, but Ill set him aside for later. Lets clear him on the assumption that scum arent as devious as I am.
5a: Alchi is clear based on what he sent to me last night. And no, Im not going into detail on that.
5b: assume gobbles is clear? a tracker claim. I didnt read it tbh, did it look good, like a push or like a confession?

He wanted to bait scum into lying about being infected. In this post and before this post he’s still dropping hints like crazy that I cured him.

[Alchemist21]

alchi im gonna trust ur town.

Good but can I trust you? You’re in my PoE right now.

[Alchemist21]

So you’re gonna ignore the fact that I cured Pisskop?

Did you actually get a mod confirmation that Piss is cured, or did you just try and cure him?

No mod confirmation on my end, that’s why I asked Pisskop if he had something to report the next Day, and he knew what I was talking about when I asked.

There's one MAJOR problem with this...

It goes against your win con to claim infected as infected.

He hard claimed infected after he was cured. Before that he was basically guiltied by the Blair/Gobble combo.

And... don't you think that doesn't actually make any sense? What motivation is there for him to claim he was infected AFTER the fact? That really doesn't do it for me... at all.

It was a gambit, he basically admitted as much, and I can find the post where he says it.

Except he's still guilty based on Gobble. He never claimed when I pressured him to; I never thought he was infected. I've always thought he was OG Scum. So this is all a moot point considering I never thought he was infected in the first place.

P-Edit: None of that is outside of Piss' Scum range.

So he claimed to be cured to Hoctac before I said anything, and rather than thinking he was actually cured you think he’s some Don Corleone with the foresight to know what I was going to claim?

I think you got infected last Night because you’ve mostly made sense until now.

[Alchemist21]

P-Edit: None of that is outside of Piss' Scum range.

So he claimed to be cured to Hoctac before I said anything...

You mean, before he was actually cured, right? I'm NOT sold on there not being any Scum in the hood. I'm not even sold that there are not 2 Scum in the hood, fwiw.

You realize there’s a period between Day 4 starting and my first post of D4, right?

[Alchemist21]

P-Edit: None of that is outside of Piss' Scum range.

So he claimed to be cured to Hoctac before I said anything...

You mean, before he was actually cured, right? I'm NOT sold on there not being any Scum in the hood. I'm not even sold that there are not 2 Scum in the hood, fwiw.

You realize there’s a period between Day 4 starting and my first post of D4, right?

When exactly did Piss say they were infected? I can buy a gambit like that if Piss claimed to be infected Day 3 or even Day 2.

He was infected N1, caught as infected N2, and cured on N3. He continued pretending to be infected on D4 to try and bait scum into a lie and presumably to keep me hidden but we were dropping so many hints that Auro and Davesaz both picked up on what was going on.

[Alchemist21]

I mean, based on PLAY, there is NOTHING saying Piss is Town really. Just the claim stuff which he refuses to actually claim.

What do you mean he refuses to claim? He has done so.

[Alchemist21]

Also, softballing an answer from Piss like, "Do you have anything to report, Piss?" When if that is exactly what he is looking for, pretty much gives him every reason to gambit like that as Scum. Plus, when exactly did Piss claim infected. WHICH GOES AGAINST YOUR WINCON!!!

He claimed infected AFTER he was cured, and pretending to still be infected as Town as a gambit isn’t anti-wincon.

[Alchemist21]

caught as infected N2

If by "caught" you mean, he visited Blair, that can be easily explainable by him being group Scum.

Group scum and Infected are 2 different things.

[Alchemist21]

I mean, based on PLAY, there is NOTHING saying Piss is Town really. Just the claim stuff which he refuses to actually claim.

What do you mean he refuses to claim? He has done so.

Not really. Who says infected visit people at night? I don't think that has been established yet. If I am Piss, I am going to claim infected over OG Scum every time in hopes that I can wiggle my way out of it.

Blair visited Pisskop, not the other way around.

[Alchemist21]

Ok when the fuck did this conversation become about Infected infecting other players and not about Pisskop being cured.

[Alchemist21]

Pisskop is probably group scum, possibly with Nero Cain.

... Dude, really?

[Alchemist21]

Who crumbs VT!?

Maybe it’s not technically a crumb but he did use a line that I’ve used in the past that’s common to VT roles.

[Alchemist21]

Probably a "vote and voice" type of thing?

Exactly. This conversation is a little moot though because the original point was whether VT’s exist in this game or not and I had forgotten A50 was VT.

[Alchemist21]

Also it was a 2015 game. My memory is shite but this game I remember many details about. Why the hell is it this game that I remember!?!?

My brain is a fucking mess lmfao

It’s not just you. I can remember old games better than some more recent ones. I can find a game about 2 or 3 years back where RC said the same thing too.

[Alchemist21]

the scumteam will win when infected > town.

Post 1 definitely lists the infected wincon as reaching parity with Town.

[Alchemist21]

Also it was a 2015 game. My memory is shite but this game I remember many details about. Why the hell is it this game that I remember!?!?

My brain is a fucking mess lmfao

It’s not just you. I can remember old games better than some more recent ones. I can find a game about 2 or 3 years back where RC said the same thing too.

<3

Memory is a helluva thing, eh.

No need unless you want to. You get my lack of trust in it though, right?

Yeah I get it.

[Alchemist21]

I keep typing "Clodd" and I figure that's too insulting

Peridot go away.

P.S I’m not lynching the player that helped me Heal Pisskop.

[Alchemist21]

how did cheeky or gobble help u "heal" piss?

Gobble. And you know why.

[Alchemist21]

Join Cheeky Alch

Why?

[Alchemist21]

What are your thoughts on why myself and others suspect him?

You’re scum and your tinfoil theory is bad. Those are my thoughts.

[Alchemist21]

I feel like maybe Dave is caught up in there somehow, i keep forgetting about hi

I wouldn’t be surprised if Dave’s infected tbh.

[Alchemist21]

The active posters are almost all town. Scum won't be calling attention to themselves. Nero is town Alch, trust me

I might switch to Cheeky but I’m not voting Gobble.

[Alchemist21]

What are your thoughts on why myself and others suspect him?

You’re scum and your tinfoil theory is bad. Those are my thoughts.

but that's not what i asked u about. Yea, your infected.

For 2 Days you’ve done nothing but twist words and push narrative after narrative so I really don’t care what you’re asking because you’re scum.

[Alchemist21]

VOTE: Cheeky
Ok switch now then.

Fine, but I’m telling you Nero is scum.

VOTE: Cheeky

[Alchemist21]

Nero is scum and doing what?

His best apparently.

[Alchemist21]

Alch's refusal to scum read gobble seems scummy. Like, if you are scum with the upper hand you can just refuse to vote your scumbuddy but that would mean he's OG scum or infected that has figured out the lynching gobble is against his wincon.

How many people have you tracked to infected? How many infected have you cured?

[Alchemist21]

How many people have you tracked to infected? How many infected have you cured?

none of that matters. You can be town that doesn't do that b/c there are other town roles. And a tracker claim issn't an auto town claim and you can be infected or lie about curing Piss if you guys are still scum together.

Your view of the game is rigidly narrow.

Gobble is at worst Infected and I can deal with that later.

And the whole Alch/Pissk scumteam theory is just some doubtcasting bullshit.

[Alchemist21]

If Gobsie is trying to get us to waste time by waiting for him, doesn't that imply he's infected and not group scum?

Yes. And I’ve said it before, Gobble is at worst infected.

[Alchemist21]

How do we know Alchemist is infected?

They don’t like that I don’t want to lynch you. That about sums it up.

[Alchemist21]

I think we need a mass claim. If what cheeky is saying is true then pk trying to kill me makes sense if he is infected. But I thought I saw a crumb from someone that they cured pisskop..

Not even just a crumb. I’ve hard claimed it at this point.

[Alchemist21]

I never crumbed I was VT. I did crumb I was some sort of PR but that was to throw Scum off. I'll go find it if I have to, but yeah, I'm VT.

I legit saw both and can go back and find both.

[Alchemist21]

also because alchemist was wondering in dead thread, my survivor claim weird shit was def me being really bored and mis-thinking that we were in lylo so i decided to survivor gambit as a last ditch effort to catch the scumteam since i thought the game was pretty much doomed if people were going to get exponentially infected ( i didn't even realize natural cures)

i thought you were acting increasingly scummy and i would've infected you so i thought you were scum but idk what you meant by me crumbing that you were infected lol

You voted where Pisskop wanted when he was likely infected which made no sense until the next Day when you had us both as infected and I was like “how does he have me in his infected reads alrea- oooohhh,” and everything seemed to make sense.

[Alchemist21]

well scum didn't even know about natural recoveries lmao i don't blame them for not killing off their own infected

I do think scum should have been made aware of that mechanic.

[Alchemist21]

Anyway, good game. Scum got robbed.

[Alchemist21]

i was gambitting myself as a curer if you remember

I remember. That’s why I got mad when y’all voted me because y’all voted the actual Healer lol.

[Alchemist21]

Oh seems like I had another misunderstanding too. Alchemist, you were still infected on your last day of play, is it? I thought cures happen at the end of the night, not beginning, and that you played the day as a totally devious town planning to catch us all.

Lmao, seems like in my head I was playing a completely different game.

I was infected until the beginning of the Night I died. I’ll admit I had more fun when I was infected than when I was Town.

Btw did you have a list of Infected players? Because you asking where Davesaz and I were in the same post looked like you crumbing that you knew I infected Dave.

[Alchemist21]

I was infected until the beginning of the Night

So that's why you tunneled me?

Exactly.

[Alchemist21]

I think that Alchemist’s comment about 2k was a code to someone in this game.

Btw this wasn’t the case. I legit fucked up and accidentally posted what was supposed to be a text to my friend.