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Hello everyone! My Mafia gears a touch rusty, and I was originally intending to play Newbie game first to ease myself back in, but well. Newbie queue was too slow, a replacement was needed here, and so here I am.
I haven't quite read the entire game so far, but I have ISO'd both of my predecessors, read the bits where my slot was vacant, and a few bits and pieces surrounding interesting parts of the ISOs.
To clear things up a bit, TSE's claim was a lie. I'm a VT, and I can only speculate as to why they felt the need to fakeclaim infection-proof. My best guess is that they were banking on a Doctor existing and wanted to bait out the Mafia's second direct kill, but it doesn't LOOK like that happened.
In any case, we're in LyLo if I'm not mistaken! Possibly even lost regardless of lynch, given the uh. Viral nature of our foe.
VOTE: Auro
I'm very confident this is one of the original Mafia. Pinged me the entire time I was reading up on things, a more detailed case will follow later, after I get some sleep in and have a chance to run through that ISO.-
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Why did you claim this now? Shouldn't you have waited until after you USED that immunization shot, so Mafia doesn't just shoot you?In post 7338, Flavor Leaf wrote:
I no longer have this first part as an ability, though.In post 7337, Flavor Leaf wrote:Awesome. Okay, so I target every night, and if I target someone who is infected I gain an immunization shot.
I received the immunization action. I targeted Clidd.
I’m also the anonymous reports
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Yes, it IS funny how out of three different players in this slot we all scumread you, if not quite enough to lynch yet.In post 7343, Auro wrote:I smell a rat.
You read what parts? The ones where I'm expressing worry over TSE's play?
Pretty funny how Vecna attacked me and backed off, then TSE attacked me on reasons and backed off, and you jump in trying to attack me as well, while also confirming that this AtE was fake:In post 7018, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:
You’d be wrong my friend.In post 7017, CheekyTeeky wrote:TSE is absolutely scum.
Lynch Hoctac and they will flip Scum which will hopefully make you realize that I’m Town.
Also no one is CCing my role.
I’m pretty much just a VT that can’t be converted
It’s like the most shit role tbh.
I would rather not lose this game so you can kindly F Off because I’m selfish and want my win.
It’s why I’m such a good solver.
I figure out who scum are but I don’t have anything strong enough to convince others despite me pretty much handing them the win due to my selfishness.
I try and be Selfless in this game and I’m still trying but it’s very hard.
And yeah, that AtE is fake. Clearly didn't want the win THAT much or they'd still be here, but what does that have to do with anything?-
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I started typing up that post before you had posted that information.In post 7354, Flavor Leaf wrote:No, I said Radical Rat pushing you right when they did is scummy
Regardless, that information doesn't change anything. Clidd is currently infected yes, and is a good fallback lynch if we can't get a better one in before deadline. BUT, you also have a way to cure them if your claim is true, and we'll need that cure in order to prevent parity tonight. I'd also prefer to lynch one of the original Mafia team, on account of it being easier to scumhunt someone who's been scum the whole time, AND if we get all three we can slow the infection.-
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Look, I'll be straight with ya. I think TSE played very poorly all around. They straight up admitted they wanted to be scum, constantly lamenting the need to play to wincon, and if the doctor strat I brought up wasn't what they were hoping for, I'd say it may have been trying to get scum to test the role by infecting them/me/us.In post 7355, Auro wrote:Radical Rat seems to have read their predecessor's ISO, decided that "immunized" claim was bad without noticing the AtE and other stuff surrounding i
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Anyway, I'm going to sleep now, when next I rise, I'll case Auro properly and hopefully be thinking a bit clearer for arguing.-
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... That's a good question, I'll ask and report back when I wake up.In post 7360, Auro wrote:Was your slot infected at some point?
And NOW I'm going to sleep-
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Alright, I'm back, mod says I haven't been infected this game.
Hold up there buddy. There were no night actions claimed for me to explain, and just because you don't believe such a role exists without an action doesn't mean I couldn't just double down on that. Also, we LITERALLY have a flipped VT. We exist in the game.In post 7382, Alchemist21 wrote:
Nero. Thinking Radical is scum too, not for the push on Auro because a lot of people have found Auro scummy, but because he changed his predecessor’s claim to VT. It looks like scum who didn’t want to fumble on an existing fakeclaim so they took it back and claimed VT so they wouldn’t be backed into a corner of having to explain Night Actions. And to play setup spec I doubt any VT roles actually exist in this game so that’s why I think the VT claim is a lie.In post 7380, LicketyQuickety wrote:Alch, talk to me. Who do you see as Scum rn?
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Spoiler: A bunch of Auro posts I didn't like
I'll admit this isn't the proper case I had envisioned, but all of these posts are sketchy to me.
See, there's a bunch of fluff and memery, which is to be expected early on, and honestly made this a much more enjoyable read. But the line between the jokes and serious play gets blurry fast, and he does a really good job of seeming confident, borderline cocky even, while also not taking many hard stances and feeling out where the general consensus is, and nearly all of his defenses come with a cheeky "unless I'm actually scum" WIFOM, which reads to me like trying to deflect arguments pre-emptively.
I also think that he started off scummy, and got progressively less scummy over time, which worries me because of the frequent posts about how Infected deaths are better than Mafia deaths, and that Infected should be jesters, etc. I expect him to be most strongly pushing a bus lynch on an infected player today, and then 7:8 => 6:8 ratio after lynch, 7:7 after factional infect, and that's parity. And also why if it can be at all helped we should absolutely NOT lynch an infected player today.-
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Very well might be, but there ARE three of the bastards out there, and for now I'm more comfortable on Auro-
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What makes you think Auro is infected, but not Alchemist?-
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You're right on this, I had this feeling during my reading at Night, I haven't updated that based on toDay.In post 7667, Auro wrote:It's a little odd I feel that you lay out a certain agenda to me, but don't reconcile it with my actual play and pushes today? If anything I have been very against lynching infected today.
In addition to the current situation with Alchemist/pisskop, I'm gonna need to re-evaluate some things.
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Who all can confirm this pisskop thing btw? Piss, Alchemist, and Hoctac? Is that all?-
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So, I was doing some thinking during work.
I think the reporting benefits scum more than it benefits us. While it does tell us how many more scum there are to deal with, it gives scum the much more valuable information of whether their infection shot succeeded or not.
@Flavor Leaf:
Is it possible for you to choose not to make these reports, or is it automatic?-
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No, there isn't four group scum.
There's three, and I find it difficult to believe you haven't bothered to read the setup, or any of the many previous mentions of this particular topic.-
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While you're here Hoctac, Alchemist and pisskop claim you can corroborate a story that Alchemist was confirmed to have cured pisskop.
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Alright, so either Alchemist and pisskop are Mafia together or conftown for now.
I'm leaning the town side of things for now, which would probably suggest you are as well.
Pisskop being cured also puts us at 9:6 instead of 8:7, which means we're in a slightly less precarious LyLo, since scum needs to infect to win toNight, not just kill.
Assuming FL's claim was also true, Clidd being cured toNight can hopefully offset the natural spread that's begun.
So that leaves five lynch candidates
I'm Town
FL is Town unless some reason to doubt the claim arises.
Alch, pisskop, Hoctac are all most probably Town.
Gobbledygook at least was Town before.
Nero and LQ both feel Town now, and while I was reading my predecessors' ISOs.
One more town slot exists, but I don't know who.
Clidd is Infected, but off limits to lynch toDay.
So that leaves Auro, Cheeky, Dave, Ari, Oka, and Firebringer unaccounted for.
VOTE: Firebringer while I sort the rest because I don't like the misrep on TSE's frustration.-
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That definitely could have been a scumslip there...
Mafia!gobble would have known who they infected N1, and could easily have faked the tracker result from that.
VOTE: gobbledygook
It's been twelve hours since you promised to be back later with what I can only assume is some kind of guilty result. I want that result revealed on your first post back, please.-
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Yes, I meant tracking result, guilty in the it proves someone guilty sense, not in the cop sense-
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Yeah, alright, you can liveIn post 7700, Auro wrote:A radical vote-
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Everyone who isn't voting should start voting. I want to see where people put themselves.-
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My thought was that they know who they target, but they don't know if their target was immune somehow.In post 7708, Flavor Leaf wrote:
It’s automatic. Wouldn’t scum already know who the infected are?In post 7676, Radical Rat wrote:So, I was doing some thinking during work.
I think the reporting benefits scum more than it benefits us. While it does tell us how many more scum there are to deal with, it gives scum the much more valuable information of whether their infection shot succeeded or not.
@Flavor Leaf:
Is it possible for you to choose not to make these reports, or is it automatic?
Could you elaborate on this?Flavor Leaf wrote:Actually, I think Auro/Clidd/Gobbledygook are people who are infected. Pisskop is probably group scum, possibly with Nero Cain.-
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If I can get kind of sort of a little bit caught up replacing into a 300 page game, you can handle one Day Ari! I believe in your ability to read and get back to us with substantive content!-
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Well, the order is kind of muddy because most of them are just lurking but...In post 7928, Nero Cain wrote:@ Auro, Aristophanes, Radical Rat, Flavor Leaf
can you give me your top 7 scum reads in order, please?
Clidd up top, 'cause FL
Gobble is #2 because claiming to have some huge result then vanishing for over 24 hours feels like scum stalling.
Oka's whole "I just won't play" thing is terrible
Didn't like Fire's push on me, and he hasn't really had much other content that I've seen.
Then Cheeky/Dave for lurking and their few posts being generally unimpressive, and... Idk, I guess Hoctac might be?-
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So are you going to tell us who these players are or...?In post 7981, gobbledygook wrote:I’m alive! But I have read nothing of what has happened today.
I have role information that a player is not mafia and then other information that a player is not infected. Or rather was not infected, I think it resolves after infections.
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I think it depends on the abilities, but is definitely possible on account of "2 people were infected last night"In post 7987, gobbledygook wrote:
Fine? Lol. Just stressed from real life responsibilities.In post 7985, Nero Cain wrote:how are you feeling?
Do we think that people get to keep their abilities if infected?
How does scum infect two people at once? I think infected have to be visiting each other, and then spreading it that way.-
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Why does Town!Cheeky want us to think she's Infected?In post 7998, Hoctac wrote:
She might be infected if she sees a wagon on her forming and this is her only reaction.In post 7951, CheekyTeeky wrote:Ez scum.
Or MAYBE, that's what she wants us to think.
IIRC, Nolynch and Voted were also scummy, but with meme accounts that can be hard to judge. Regardless, it's a consistently suspicious slot.
That said, I still prefer a gobbles lynch today unless his results really blow me away here.-
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Then how do you think we're getting multiple infections in one night?In post 7999, Nero Cain wrote:town doesn't seem like it has any significant investigation power and this almost seems like cult-light mountainous so I'd be shocked if infected keep their ability while infected.-
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Yeah, but that was Hoctac I was asking, not Nero.In post 8003, Auro wrote:
rEacTiOn tEsTIn post 8000, Radical Rat wrote:Why does Town!Cheeky want us to think she's Infected?
Nero was implying she was groupscum who wanted us to think that-
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I vote gobbles.
He had his chance to actually reveal his info, and just... didn't. I don't care to wait another day and a half to find out if he'll give us something useful next time he appears.-
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What was your role pre-infection?In post 8010, pisskop wrote:
also a note, I dont think they doIn post 7999, Nero Cain wrote:town doesn't seem like it has any significant investigation power and this almost seems like cult-light mountainous so I'd be shocked if infected keep their ability while infected.-
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Exactly the contradiction we want explained-
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Gobbles on Monday: Announces huge results, says he'll share them later.
Gobbles this morning: Claims JoAT, doesn't address the tracking contradiction, says what his results were, but still declines to tell us WHO, and vanishes again.-
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What kind of Town motivation can this behavior possibly have?In post 8023, Flavor Leaf wrote:I feel like Gobbledy has town lying potential, and scum are taking advantage of it. tinfoil.-
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I feel like as scum he's trying to stall out as long as possible, then at the last second finally reveal that his inno result was on whoever the leading wagon is, forcing us to rush into a different, less thought out lynch.
Infected trolling is also definitely also possible.
Town has no reason not to just tell us who those results are on so we can narrow down the lynch pool.-
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I mean, there's FL apparently having an immunization shot after finding Clidd's infection. And then Alchemist allegedly has, or at least had, the ability to cure pisskop.-
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I'm definitely not defending Cheeky. She probably is scum. I will vote for her if I either change my mind about gobbles or if it becomes clear that lynch isn't happening.
What it comes down to for me is this:
Cheeky is lurking and when she does post, it's bad. But gobbles is lurking, and his posts are actively trying to get us to waste time waiting on him, which I think is worse, and as such would prefer that lynch.-
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Well, the good news is we apparently weren't in LyLo, or even MyLo.
The bad news, there's almost no way we aren't now.
I think it's time to massclaim, list all night actions performed, and hopefully we can solve from there.
I've already claimed VT, so no actions there.
Either Nero or Auto next please.-
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Auro*
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I don't think FL was cured.
VOTE: Flavor Leaf-
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I have a reason for this. A reason I believe a certain turkey would be able to elaborate on.-
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Do you really not know why?
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Also, FL is lying.
Think about it, what the hell kind of role is a self-cure?
And all this self meta is meaningless because you yourself say you've lost the fire and don't care about the game. It doesn't matter how great and consistent scum you were in games you cared about, if you're apathetic towards this one.-
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Pisskop is conftown, try again-
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Alchemist claimed to have healed him, and then flipped Town Healer, which cures infected and makes them permanently immune. So we know Alchemist wasn't lying, ergo pisskop is conftown.-
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No, we aren't roasting the bird.
I am VERY certain he's Town at this point, but I'm not saying why until he tells us himself what I suspect. I don't want him to be able to just go "Yep, that's right!" if he somehow is Scum here, but I will not lynch him toDay.-
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Okay, correction. I won't lynch him as long as he confirms my theory when he gets back.-
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And yeah, I... Actually hadn't even thought about the possibility that pisskop was proper Mafia. So not conftown then, but in lieu of any actual evidence to that, I'm fine assuming Town.-
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The theory as to why you're not infected. I think I know why, and I think you know why, but in case I'm wrong it has to come from you first. Bear in mind that if you are Town and you let yourself get lynched, we will almost certainly lose. So please, please tell me I'm right.In post 8319, gobbledygook wrote:
What theory are you askingIn post 8316, Radical Rat wrote:Okay, correction. I won't lynch him as long as he confirms my theory when he gets back.-
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Show me where exactly gobbles "claimed scum" because I haven't seen that since I've been here.
Also he HAS already fullclaimes as JoAT, which sure, could feasibly be a scum role, but I'm pretty sure it isn't here.-
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I haven't pointed it out until now because I was, perhaps foolishly, expecting him to point it out himself.In post 8423, davesaz wrote:Also why the fuck isn't gobble's full claim part of the discussion today? Why isn't anyone pointing out that massclaim doesn't need to wait for him?
I think scum are trying to quick lynch a TPR with a remaining shot.
But yes, scum are indeed trying to quick lunch and end this game. Scum liiiiiike FlavorLeaf-
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Show me the quotes please, Ari.In post 8435, Aristophanes wrote:
They claimed infected but because that is against their wincon they only heavily alluded to it with double negatives.In post 8420, Radical Rat wrote:Show me where exactly gobbles "claimed scum" because I haven't seen that since I've been here.
Also he HAS already fullclaimes as JoAT, which sure, could feasibly be a scum role, but I'm pretty sure it isn't here.
It's 100% a thing.
But they could be main scum trying to claim infected to get people off their back and make us look for main scum elsewhere.
I think they are likely just infected. They are def scum either way and at this point I'll take it.-
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Okay fair enough, but regardless they aren't infected now.-
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Maybe, maybe not. I know that I personally like to be as honest as possible as scum, regardless of specific type of scum. Much easier to keep track of what I'm supposed to be saying that way.In post 8440, Auro wrote:But at least the claims he made yesterday (outside tracker) are probably bullshit, right? If he was infected he was just trolling town (which is great play btw )-
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Okay, somehow I completely missed that post. And that was toDay so... Guess I was wrong.
It looked to me like Alchemist was crumbing gobbles as his target, and yesterDay gobbles mentioned having a PGO shot as part of the JoAT claim. So when Alchemist died, AND we got a new infection, I immediately assumed that meant instead of that death being scum's NK, it was gobbles' PGO being triggered.
But yeah, claiming "not not scum" kind of shuts that theory down, so...
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Right, but the "I'm not not scum" post was during this Day phase, so either something else interfered with the cure, gobbles is proper Mafia, or he's extraordinarily bad Town.In post 8455, LicketyQuickety wrote:
I asked the mod and they said that the heal will still go through even if the healer is killed the same Night they heal an Infected.In post 8450, Radical Rat wrote:It looked to me like Alchemist was crumbing gobbles as his target
Combined with having two other cured claims, I'm willing to bet on proper Mafia at this point.-
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This un-culting mechanic really does muddle what is and isn't "playing to win."
In any case, I'm actually inclined to believe Maxwell is currently infected, and that FL was telling the truth about the infection check/one-shot cure thing claimed yesterDay. Simply because that makes more sense with the flavor claim, which I believe to be true.
Finding an infected target and then testing a cure? That sounds like a med student. Willingly staying infected? Not gonna get much studying done that way.-
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Gobbles or Maxwell, that's who we should lynch.-
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What it comes down to for me is that we pretty much know gobbles is scum by now. He may be claiming and acting Infected, but Alchemist crumbed a cure target on him last night, and yet gobbles is still scum. So either he IS group scum, or something interfered with the cure.In post 8641, maxwell wrote:
I am still not up to speed. From what I gather he fakeclaimed a PR and quickhammered day 5, and that's why people are on him? Still, unless there's a plausible alternative for someone other than (pisskop, davesaz, maxwell, clidd, gobble) having been infected, it seems like incorrect play to go after him rather than hunting group scum. It would be really helpful if someone could give me a summary but no one seems to want to do so so far.In post 8640, LicketyQuickety wrote:You're basically totally ignoring the emphasis so many people had about lynching Gobble? Or no?
So we have claimed current scum that has a decent chance of actually being Mafia rather than the claimed Infected, that we're all reasonably confident is at least some flavor of scum. I think it'd be foolish to pass this up and risk hitting Town instead-
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Because Gobbles claimed that. I no longer believe that claim, but that claim was what my Gobbles is Town theory was based on. As for the crumb, I'm too lazy to grab the quote, but Alchemist asked for him to claim if he was infected and that he would heal him. That's when Gobbles kinda sorta claimed by linking topical music.In post 8646, LicketyQuickety wrote:
Why do you think Gobble is PGO?In post 8450, Radical Rat wrote:Okay, somehow I completely missed that post. And that was toDay so... Guess I was wrong.
It looked to me like Alchemist was crumbing gobbles as his target, and yesterDay gobbles mentioned having a PGO shot as part of the JoAT claim. So when Alchemist died, AND we got a new infection, I immediately assumed that meant instead of that death being scum's NK, it was gobbles' PGO being triggered.
But yeah, claiming "not not scum" kind of shuts that theory down, so...
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Also, why would Alch crumb Gobble when Gobble hadn't actually claimed infected yet?