Mature Mafia: Game Over

Talitha · Post Post #32 (isolation #0) » Wed May 07, 2008 8:54 pm

PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I believe the first person Talitha votes today is scum.

As a result, I am waiting for Talitha to vote.

vote: mathcam

BTW, who got the job of randomising the roles and sending the role PMs? Oh bah... Emp sent the PMs. You'd think he'd be able to trust one of us with that job seeing as we're SO mature.

Talitha · Post Post #33 (isolation #1) » Wed May 07, 2008 8:56 pm

And whoever murdered zu_Faul and/or desecrated his death post, that behaviour is not in keeping with the theme of the game. Please desist from such actions.

Talitha · Post Post #74 (isolation #2) » Fri May 09, 2008 10:21 pm

So your vote for "explicit" and Coron's vote for "count" count?

Vote: ditch the lame script
unvote: ditch
vote: mathcam

Talitha · Post Post #75 (isolation #3) » Fri May 09, 2008 10:51 pm

I can't imagine that anyone in this game would lie about their role after they've been lynched. I think we're good to go ahead and just play mafia.

Talitha · Post Post #212 (isolation #4) » Fri May 16, 2008 5:28 pm

Sorry all, the last few days (and pages) got away on me. I'll catch up very soon.

Talitha · Post Post #214 (isolation #5) » Fri May 16, 2008 5:35 pm

unvote: cam

Talitha · Post Post #232 (isolation #6) » Sat May 17, 2008 11:48 pm

Where's Coron when you need a vote count?

After catching up on the last several pages I've sort of gone off cam as a lynchee. He's right that there really isn't a case against him. Also, the

must claim at lynch-1

thing is news to me. I think that in any game the when and if of claiming should be up to the individual. If we don't like it we can vote to lynch them.

I am interested in both the DGB and Raj wagons, but wondering whether they are scum or just tantalising lynch bait. Raj's post 129 in particular made me want to vote him.

Then there's logicticus, who raised my hackles a little as I was reading through.

Some things that are confusing me:
1. Shadow Lurker - Do you think you're playing in this game? Why? Your posts here don't seem to fit the troll profile.
2. If we all have some kind of mod powers, how come zu_faul said he was vanilla (or whatever it was that people saw before the post got edited)?
3. What happens to our powers when we die? Can we delegate someone else to continue our job?
4. Why do posts 87-91 read so weird? Did someone edit them?
5. Would it actually hurt if we all claimed? It might make the game easier.

Talitha · Post Post #305 (isolation #7) » Mon May 19, 2008 10:53 pm

Gawsh, I'm still back on page 11, but I feel like I need to get mith in here to give some of you guys a lecture on

Lynch or lynch not. There is no claim

.

Talitha · Post Post #306 (isolation #8) » Mon May 19, 2008 11:33 pm

A split role/motive game is one where the role functions are assigned independently of the alignment. Games such as Dantes in Fresno are not split role / motive even though the role and alignment are listed separately on the role PM. Even though it's possible here that roles weren't assigned completely independently of alignments, this game is a perfect candidate for such a setup and I think it's a good assumption that it's split role/motive.

Having said that, I can't see what harm there is in claiming our assigned moderating duties, if we feel like it. Obviously I don't know other peoples' roles and there may be roles that are best left hidden. But mine will be obvious as soon as it's used anyway, and if I die I'd like people to know that we no longer have a (insert role here), so that someone else can be delegated the job if necessary. I also believe claiming it would give absolutely no information about whether I'm town or scum, but might help the game logistically.

Now to the important stuff.
I think Glork's list of pro-town and possible scum is a pretty good assessment, because it pretty much jives with my gut feelings on people (myself excluded). After reading the current discussion on Raj and DGB I'm persuaded to go with the Raj wagon.

vote: Raj

Talitha · Post Post #442 (isolation #9) » Fri May 23, 2008 10:50 am

I been busy this week, sorry... need to catch up properly.

In the meantime it looks like we're claiming. I'm the Deadliner. I may set one soon, but I have to say I'm a bit surprised at the whining that's going on. If anything sucks the fun out of a game for others, whining sure does.

We've had a lot to grapple with on this Day, figuring out what the heck is going on and how the game is going to work. I've actually found it really interesting.

Talitha · Post Post #443 (isolation #10) » Fri May 23, 2008 10:53 am

BTW, I just edited my post above to fix grammar.

Talitha · Post Post #452 (isolation #11) » Sat May 24, 2008 9:51 pm

Seems that we could fix up our own posts, if we needed to.

Talitha · Post Post #454 (isolation #12) » Sat May 24, 2008 10:17 pm

No. You have to stay here and suffer. Besides, your happiness is intertwined with your outlook on life.

Will it make you feel better if I set a deadline?

Talitha · Post Post #456 (isolation #13) » Sun May 25, 2008 1:00 am

I was just about to post

Deadline: 7 days from this post

when I did a double take.

"death post alterer"? Explain why we have a death post alterer?

Talitha · Post Post #515 (isolation #14) » Tue May 27, 2008 11:21 pm

Glork wrote:Incidentally, Tally: Did Emp give any rules or guidelines for deadline rules? Player with the plurality of votes? No lynch without a majority? Something else?

No guidelines. When I set the deadline, I was supposed to spell out what would happen. But I forgot. When I mod, my rule is that the player with the most votes at deadline is lynched, as long as they have at least half of the required vote to lynch.

With 7 votes to lynch here, that means 4 to lynch at deadline.

If votes are tied, the player who reached the total last is spared, the other is lynched. As it's my job to make up the deadline rules, we'll go with what I usually do.

I asked if I can extend or retract the deadline.. and he gave me the "you're a big girl" line. I take that to mean I can do whats I want.

Talitha · Post Post #516 (isolation #15) » Tue May 27, 2008 11:23 pm

Deadline is 5 days +1.5 hours away and

Coron

we really need regular vote counts. If you're not crazy about doing it all the time, perhaps you could ask someone to help out?

Talitha · Post Post #517 (isolation #16) » Tue May 27, 2008 11:51 pm

Phoebus is good at vote counts.

Talitha · Post Post #589 (isolation #17) » Sun Jun 01, 2008 11:00 pm

Pooky & Cam's death posts are a lot shorter than they used to be.
That your work, Macros?

vote: Axelrod

Talitha · Post Post #626 (isolation #18) » Sat Jun 07, 2008 12:56 am

What, you need a deadline already?

Naw, just kidding. I'm still around. Sorry, I hope to give this game some attention tomorrow.

Talitha · Post Post #629 (isolation #19) » Sat Jun 07, 2008 9:51 pm

After reading over the day so far..

unvote: Axelrod
vote: logicticus

It's just an itch I had while reading, and I'm scratching it. Also making me a little itchy was EK. I should probably be suspicious of Glork too, but mainly because I'm a litle scared of him. And, a small suspicion of Macros is growing too.

Purely out of curiosity, logicticus, what happened to let you know it was time to unlock the thread?

Other questions floating round my mind... if Glork killed Pooky would he have been so confident to list the reasons eg.the "pseudo-confirmation"? ... Could Macros' unhappy posts yesterday have been a bit of an act?... I'm starting to trust Coron a little.. should I?

Talitha · Post Post #632 (isolation #20) » Mon Jun 09, 2008 4:15 pm

How come your least suspicious two are my most suspicious?

Talitha · Post Post #634 (isolation #21) » Mon Jun 09, 2008 4:35 pm

I can't really explain why, just a feeling when reading their posts that they are reserved or holding something back. However I haven't played much with either of them. Have you played a lot with these two? And yes, seeing as you've already stated pretty strongly that you don't think they are scum, I can't see too much harm in expanding on it. Please share.

Talitha · Post Post #636 (isolation #22) » Mon Jun 09, 2008 6:00 pm

That is interesting. But our beloved late Pooky-bear was the one who brought up role wording yesterday, I believe.

Talitha · Post Post #648 (isolation #23) » Wed Jun 11, 2008 3:59 pm

Phoebus, do the mature thing and find somebody to replace you. Give them your role, announce them in thread, and let them take over. That is only fair to the other players in this game.

Talitha · Post Post #649 (isolation #24) » Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:00 pm

Macros, can I request that you don't edit out useful stuff from people's death posts? Thx.

Talitha · Post Post #650 (isolation #25) » Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:01 pm

Sorry if my tone is a little on the grumpy side. I should go post in the period thread.

Talitha · Post Post #651 (isolation #26) » Wed Jun 11, 2008 4:02 pm

Ahh, wonderful. I love it when I post something dumb and it gets to be top of the new page.

Talitha · Post Post #660 (isolation #27) » Sun Jun 15, 2008 5:54 pm

What are you basing your assertions on, DGB?

Talitha · Post Post #669 (isolation #28) » Tue Jun 17, 2008 11:15 pm

Hi WB. Yay!!! Bye Pip.

Talitha · Post Post #675 (isolation #29) » Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:24 pm

I guess I'm thinking about a one week deadline. Any objections?

Talitha · Post Post #676 (isolation #30) » Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:29 pm

Note that nonny has offered to replace into the game, if there is anyone else who wants out.

Talitha · Post Post #688 (isolation #31) » Sat Jun 21, 2008 1:40 am

Axelrod wrote:
Talitha wrote:I guess I'm thinking about a one week deadline. Any objections?
I might approve, but only if you said you were ready to lynch someone and actually argued for why. You've really got no business setting a deadline if you aren't doing anything to push the game forward yourself. You are still voting Logiticus based on an "itch" right? So is he the one you really want lynched?

I think of my mod duty as independent-ish* from me as a player. Therefore if the players are slacking, I should set a deadline to make everyone get moving, myself included.

I don't currently know who I really want lynched, but a stalled game will not help that.

*I said 'ish' because of course I am not an unbiased party in this game and there is a desire to never use my mod power in a way that would disadvantage my side.

Oh and hey nonny!!!

I think you guys (Werebear & nonny) need to PM mith and tell him you have replaced into this game... I am pretty sure he's the one who set us all up with mod powers in this thread. I can't do it.

Talitha · Post Post #733 (isolation #32) » Thu Jun 26, 2008 6:17 pm

Sorry all, I've been really busy this week. Expect some useful input from me soon.

Talitha · Post Post #736 (isolation #33) » Sat Jun 28, 2008 12:56 pm

I'm catching up on my Minvitational first.

Talitha · Post Post #737 (isolation #34) » Sun Jun 29, 2008 12:28 am

OK, useful input.... here it is:

unvote: logic
vote: Adel

Moving game forward.

Talitha · Post Post #740 (isolation #35) » Sun Jun 29, 2008 1:47 pm

I think applying pressure and moving game forward is a damn good reason, especially under the circumstances. Asking for retrospective reasoning makes me laugh. You want me to go back and make something up? The only thing that went unsaid in my vote post was that Adel is someone who I haven't got an especially town feel from.

Having said that, I do need to go back and read over more carefully. I've been so busy and keep running out of time.

Talitha · Post Post #743 (isolation #36) » Sun Jun 29, 2008 10:45 pm

I didn't get a lot of positive reaction to my deadline idea, plus I got told off for being hypocritical, so I didn't set one yet.

Also, I would ideally like everybody participating before setting a deadline. Coron springs to mind as someone who needs to be replaced or killed somehow. I don't feel like his contribution level is going to change. DGB is on holiday, right? And Glork is at the meetup.

Nonny, I can understand what you are saying and you are right of course. I'm just bloody tired lately and struggling for motivation.

Talitha · Post Post #744 (isolation #37) » Sun Jun 29, 2008 11:28 pm

Werebear, the rent-a-mod thing is a good idea, but I think it kinda spoils the whole theme of the game. I believe that none of us would ever purposefully cheat or lie about our role after being eliminated from the game - that's why players were screened for maturity when they signed up.

Nonny, what is your mod-role exactly? And what do you think of Macros changing those death posts? Why do you think he did that?

Talitha · Post Post #785 (isolation #38) » Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:48 am

unvote: Adel

I had forgotten that she was the vocal "save mathcam" voice. I just remembered.

And the way Axelrod quoted all those Macros posts together just made me realise the case is a lot stronger than I was remembering.

I shall sleep on it.

Talitha · Post Post #790 (isolation #39) » Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:46 pm

Werebear: What reason did Phoebus give you to explain why he wanted out of the game? If he didn't give a reason, what is your best guess?

Nonny: Same question as above.

Talitha · Post Post #794 (isolation #40) » Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:10 am

From tomorrow I will have a lot more time to give to this game. Tonight I have a surprise birthday party to cater food for.

I second the call for prods as I'd ideally like all present and accounted for before setting a deadline. I have recently become motivated to catch some scum today... a small theory is churning around in my mind.. it involves the two that got replaced. Phoebus never really gave us a straight reason... (IIRC) he just said it was painful and he couldnt couldnt continue. I think a townie would have given more of an explanation before actively replacing themself. I think the reason he didn't explain is because the reason had to do with his role, as scum. Maybe he wasn't happy with his scum buddy (Macros?) early play.

Anyway I want to check over the thread and make sure that my reasoning is all feasible.

Looking forward to hearing from DGB, Glork, Coron, etc

In the meantime

vote: Werebear

but I could easily change to nonny.

Talitha · Post Post #796 (isolation #41) » Sat Jul 05, 2008 11:16 am

Rubbish. Why didn't Pheobus explain why he wanted out?

Talitha · Post Post #797 (isolation #42) » Sat Jul 05, 2008 11:19 am

And WIFOM one-liner comebacks are one of my biggest mafia pet peeves. If you really believe my post is bullshit, explain why, without mis-representing what I said, and without resorting to the most overused acronym ever.

Talitha · Post Post #804 (isolation #43) » Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:03 pm

Thanks for doing the prods non.

And thanks for digging up the Phoebus quote.

Yes I can see how it looked like I forced him out a little. I was frustrated because Phoebus said he would vote for the leading bandwagon and that would be the only contribution he would make to the game.

But yeah, he never explained why he lost interest in the game and my gut (I know Phoebus pretty well) says that there is more to it that he is not telling us. And I don't know why he wouldn't just give the reason if he were town.

Talitha · Post Post #813 (isolation #44) » Mon Jul 07, 2008 12:09 pm

Elvis, your argument is very wierd... I did not expect such obtuseness from you, town or scum.

If it's a giant waste of time to speculate and pose theories on why people's behaviour makes them more or less likely to be scum, then I don't know what the hell I've been doing in my 5 years of playing mafia. I thought that was what the game was all about.

And (as I have stated more than once) I'm not advocating lynching because a player was replaced. It is the behaviour surrounding the replacement that I am drawing attention to. That behaviour is distinct from the replacement itself.

In other news, I don't know how we're going to get a lynch on someone with so many people MIA. Deadline is 1 week from this post.

Anyone who isn't going to play this game should replace themselves ASAP.

Talitha · Post Post #814 (isolation #45) » Mon Jul 07, 2008 12:11 pm

Half of majority plus 1 votes required at deadline. (Deadline = Monday 14 July 11.09pm GMT)

Talitha · Post Post #825 (isolation #46) » Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:54 am

EK wrote:can't have a discussion with you

I agree with you that this is not ideal, but I still believe that we have to work with all the information that we have. Are you an advocate of people who replace into games having a clean slate? If so please link me to a game where you've advocated this. If not, explain to me what is different about this situation that we should disregard information, even if it is weak.

Talitha · Post Post #826 (isolation #47) » Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:56 am

Since it's a new page I'll quote all of EK's sentence, for clarity:

I don't like your argument because it takes advantage of people who aren't here anymore and can't have a discussion with you. So it's just you ascribing motivations to their actions, and that seems really weak and unreliable to me.

Talitha · Post Post #827 (isolation #48) » Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:02 pm

DGB: Why do you think nonny is town?

Talitha · Post Post #829 (isolation #49) » Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:30 pm

Sigh.

*heads off to bang head repeatedly against wall*

Talitha · Post Post #850 (isolation #50) » Fri Jul 11, 2008 1:05 pm

Thanks armlx!
Anyone wanna do a vote count?

Right now I will vote to lynch any of these:

nonny

(because of Macros acting in a deceptive manner, and because I feel like nonny is trying really hard to act the good townie here)

Werebear

(due to Phoebus not explaining what made him lose interest in the game, and his weird "kill me" posts, etc., which were also not explained satisfactorally. And I don't understand why Werebear wants to lynch the players who claimed no mod powers... although this might have something to do with not having played much mafia lately; he is not used to how tricksy mods have become?)

DGB

(I was initially happy that she picked me as being town... but now she just seems to be playing a lazy game. )

I would consider lynching:

Coron

(but will give replacement a chance)

Elvis

(quite suspicious of her but I need to re-examine my reasons when my head isn't full of the flu)

Talitha · Post Post #854 (isolation #51) » Fri Jul 11, 2008 2:31 pm

Add me as another who would really like to hear something substantial from Glork.

Talitha · Post Post #860 (isolation #52) » Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:14 pm

I guess that's a good idea, but I'll only extend it by 2 days. This day does need to end somehow!

I will vote for whoever out of nonny, werebear and DGB has the most votes close to deadline.

Vote Count:
Adel -3 (EK, logic, nonny)
Glork - 2 (Axel, DGB)
Nonny - 1 (Adel)
DGB - 1 (Coron/Armlx)
Werebear - 1 (Talitha)
Not voting (Glork, werebear)

Deadline = Wednesday 16 July 11.09pm GMT

Half of majority plus 1 votes required at deadline.

Talitha · Post Post #887 (isolation #53) » Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:10 pm

I'm reluctant to unvote Werebear, but my one vote isn't going to achieve much there. I am more feeling a nonny vote than a DGB.

unvote: WB
vote: nonny

Talitha · Post Post #888 (isolation #54) » Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:16 pm

Vote Count (accurate only if armlx's is accurate!)

DGB - 3 (Logictus, nonny, Werebear)
Nonny - 2 (Adel, Talitha)
Adel - 1 (EK)
Glork - 1 (AXEL)
armlx - 1 (DGB)

Not Voting- 2 (Glork, armlx)

10 alive, 6 to lynch.
4 to lynch at deadline, which is just over 36 hours away.

Talitha · Post Post #929 (isolation #55) » Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:53 am

Well for a game that was stagnated, we now have everybody voting someone. Which is very cool.

Nonny, the main thing against you is that Macros outright lied. About something quite important. It's more than enough to lynch you dead dead dead. I have viewed your play in light of what I knew of Macors.. you have come into the game and been like one of those uber-helpful, always present IC-scum I see in newbie games. That is the vibe I got from you anyway - it reminded me of a certain type of scum that I've seen often. I was already biased against you due to Macros, and the conclusion I came to is that you're scum.

nonny wrote:She yelled at phoebus to replace him self and then suspects his replacee due to the fact that he listened to her.

That's my reasoning? Wow. And I yelled? Gosh, if you are town and want to convince me of this, you'd do better not to misrepresent me, and you'd do much better to read my actual damn posts properly before trying to state my reasoning for me. This REALLY annoys me.

Seems to me you're mainly voting for me because I set a deadline that might get you lynched - am I right? Why do you think the activity has picked up, nonny? The deadline had to happen and be enforced in order to keep this game alive. There were a number of players who were really losing interest, including myself, but now the game feels alive again. You say you're pleased we're moving to night, but also say armlx wasn't given a fair chance to catch up, and use that as further reason against me... You can't have it both ways. This has been an unusual game and I like to think we're all doing the best we can to make it work.

Talitha · Post Post #930 (isolation #56) » Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:01 am

Deadline is just over 11 hours away. I want to sleep off my annoyance before deciding if I'm going to stick with nonny.

I don't know what to think of Glork. Would really like him to not be scum.

Would really like Axel to not be scum too.

Can you win a mafia game with hopeful thoughts? I hope so.

Talitha · Post Post #958 (isolation #57) » Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:09 am

2 hours until deadline.

Nonny if we are both still alive tomorrow I will try and discuss more with you. At the moment I have no desire to continue a "nuh uh... ya ha... nuh uh.. ya ha"-type argument

Logic, why is it that Glork shouldn't change positions on a player? Clueless townspeople gather more information as the game goes on, correct?.

Talitha · Post Post #961 (isolation #58) » Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:16 am

That's pretty weak. The context implies that you think changing his position is evidence of Glork being scum.

You're now my best guess at scum.

unvote:nonny
vote: logicticus

Too late, too late... I know.
50 minutes til Deadline (11.09 GMT)

Talitha · Post Post #963 (isolation #59) » Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:19 am

Glork - 4 (DGB, Adel, Axel, armlx)
DGB - 2 (Logictus, Werebear)
Adel - 1 (EK)
Tally- 1 (nonny)
Axel - 1 (Glork)
Logic - 1 (Tally)

10 alive, 6 to lynch.
4 to lynch at deadline in 50 minutes time.

[Edit - fixed]

Talitha · Post Post #965 (isolation #60) » Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:09 pm

That's it. Deadline is here.

Talitha · Post Post #982 (isolation #61) » Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:14 pm

As far as I know, I'm still alive.

Talitha · Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:29 am

armlx: Explain why the nonny unvote appears scummy to you?

Talitha · Post Post #1008 (isolation #63) » Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:03 pm

a) She didn't start the other wagon
b) What kind of disasters were you worried about in this case?
c) It's not as if she took her vote off a scum... it was an unvote of Glork.. a proven townie.

I actually did think it was a tad suspicious but for completely different reasons than you.

Talitha · Post Post #1009 (isolation #64) » Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:05 pm

Wait - it was an unvote of me, not Glork. You were wrong again - she did not "hop off the current wagon".

Me thinks you're talking crapola, armlx.

Talitha · Post Post #1010 (isolation #65) » Thu Jul 24, 2008 6:06 pm

I now have two nice juicy targets for my vote. logisticus or armlx.

Talitha · Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:06 am

ohhh,

that

unvote.

Talitha · Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:07 am

But wait, again - why are you voting nonny rather than DGB?

Talitha · Sat Jul 26, 2008 11:41 pm

Adel wrote:at least one out of the three (or four) players who were not given mod powers has to be scum- or is emptytiger just really tricky? but really it seems to me that one of the non-mods would be scum.

IMO, Emptyger would very likely have randomly assigned the mod powers. Meaning that we can't get anywhere from this line of reasoning.

So, what do people think of Glork's suggestions for scum, now that we know Glork was town? At the least I'd like everyone to take a look at logicticus, and make a judgment... town or scum... ?

(I also need to read over carefully but been busy this weekend and I fear that my week is only going to get busier

)

Talitha · Post Post #1056 (isolation #69) » Sun Jul 27, 2008 5:57 pm

I mentioned logic because he is the one that I agreed with Glork about. Not to brag, but I've caught a couple of scum in my day too.

I've felt like Axel is town, but not having played with him before am open-minded.

armlx, it depends on the who, the how, and a hundred other things. I'd probably go for "less", though.

Adel is extremely scummy today, I have to say.

Talitha · Post Post #1059 (isolation #70) » Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:25 pm

Um, because I did not have the benefit of the sum total of your today's posts until now? I was supposed to call you on being scummy today as soon as day dawned or something?

Talitha · Post Post #1061 (isolation #71) » Sun Jul 27, 2008 8:10 pm

What part of "sum total" is unclear?

Talitha · Post Post #1062 (isolation #72) » Sun Jul 27, 2008 8:22 pm

To make myself more clear, I'm not convinced that you are scum, Adel. I've just noted as the day has gone on that I've got an odd vibe from some of your posts. After noticing this a few times, I decided to comment on it. It was partially a reminder to myself not to give you a free pass, and partially thinking out loud.

For everyone's info - I am so freaking busy at the moment. I get home and I'm exhausted but still have to cook meals and deal with my children. So my mafia playing suffers a lot. I try and do my best to post regularly, but that is often all that I can do... don't have to energy to go back and figure out which post, etc. I have 5 more days of extreme busy-ness then things should quieten down a little.

Talitha · Post Post #1063 (isolation #73) » Sun Jul 27, 2008 8:27 pm

Also, I sometimes try and act very "scummy" when I'm town, so I don't base my vote solely on how scummy someone is acting.

(See: earlier when I accused nonny of being scum because she was "too townie")

Talitha · Post Post #1064 (isolation #74) » Sun Jul 27, 2008 8:28 pm

vote: logic

Talitha · Post Post #1067 (isolation #75) » Mon Jul 28, 2008 9:20 am

What do I base it on? Whether I think they are scum.

It's convenient?? Convenient for whom, and how? Do you have any idea how many scummy looking townies I have lynched as scum? I was liking you for town armlx, but I really can't believe that someone who has been around since 2005 can't see the distinction.

I don't know if it's convenient, but it happens to be true, which any small amount of research would confirm.

Also, armlx, can we please have a vote count on this page.

Talitha · Post Post #1070 (isolation #76) » Mon Jul 28, 2008 5:09 pm

Adel: Well of course you trying to drum up suspicion on me is scummy. I'm innocent. That was what tipped me over the edge to say something. And I am sort of offended that you single me out as "coasting along" and "minimal input".

armlx: If you want to have that discussion let's do it in MD. It won't advance this game any right now unless we apply it to someone specific. And, I am not defending myself... should I be? I have no votes.

Nonny: Did you notice that it was already after deadline when you switched to voting logicticus? I thought that was kinda suss because I saw that you were lurking around the forum in the time leading up to deadline.

You know what really stinks? The fact that only 4 of us are actively playing the game.

Talitha · Post Post #1071 (isolation #77) » Mon Jul 28, 2008 5:14 pm

Also armlx: It was regarding Adel that I was talking about scummy players not necessarily being scum, not myself.

Talitha · Post Post #1089 (isolation #78) » Wed Jul 30, 2008 5:30 pm

I'll lynch Werebear! *bounces*

(Just popped in to post that - I'll catch up with the conversations i was having with Adel & armlx shortly)

Talitha · Thu Jul 31, 2008 10:21 pm

It wasn't a joke, I think he's scum. But I am exhasusted at the end of the week from hell, and I can barely type a coherent sentence.

Tomorrow.

Talitha · Post Post #1099 (isolation #80) » Fri Aug 01, 2008 3:33 pm

I was just going over some recent posts to try and remind myself why I am suspicious of Werebear, when I saw a post by Axelrod that made hairs rise on the back of my neck. Post 1030, he says he is may be willing to eliminate those with those with no mod powers, if nothing better presents itself.

To start with, I find the at-least-one-of-the-vanillas-must-be-scum position a bad one. I thought more people would agree with me that decent mods assign things like that randomly just to avoid/foil this kind of setup-based reasoning.

I don't like how Axelrod uses the "if nothing better presents itself" line. I feel like he knows it's not a good option for the town. My feeling is backed up later in his post when he details how there's 8 of us left and likely 3 scum, etc. It's freaking obvious that we have, at most, one mis-lynch left. If both DGB & Adel are town (and I see that as somewhat possible), then lynching one, then the other if the first is town, is a definite loss. If could also easily be game over after lynching one of them. It's lazy, lazy, lazy. (Edit: Which I really don't expect from a good pro-town player at this stage of a game with NO scum down).

Now that I'm talking myself around to the idea that Axel is scum, I am going to go back and see who jumped when I talked about Glork's suspicion on logicticus. (Edit: "jumped" because I neglected to mention Axelrod... I think it was Adel and someone else).

Talitha · Post Post #1100 (isolation #81) » Fri Aug 01, 2008 3:38 pm

Adel: re the relationship you see between nonny and I... we stayed together at jeep's place for a week. I don't know if that would account for what you think you see.

Talitha · Post Post #1102 (isolation #82) » Fri Aug 01, 2008 3:48 pm

It was Adel & armlx... Not very helpful seeing as my gut tells me that Adel was sincere with her suspicion on me, and that armlx was sincere with his suspicion on nonny.

And I retract my offer to lynch Werebear, for now. I want to lynch logicticus and only logicticus. Or maybe Axelrod.

Talitha · Post Post #1104 (isolation #83) » Fri Aug 01, 2008 3:51 pm

What gives you that feeling, Adel?

Talitha · Post Post #1105 (isolation #84) » Fri Aug 01, 2008 3:52 pm

Please note, Adel added a vote there, with no "EDIT". Bad form.

Talitha · Post Post #1107 (isolation #85) » Fri Aug 01, 2008 3:53 pm

If I'm bussing a partner... why not help me do it? Instead you vote for me?
Are you scum Adel?

Talitha · Post Post #1108 (isolation #86) » Fri Aug 01, 2008 3:54 pm

Ah, I'm sorry for the mistake.

Talitha · Post Post #1110 (isolation #87) » Fri Aug 01, 2008 3:56 pm

Wait, am I bussing here or mislynching?

Talitha · Post Post #1112 (isolation #88) » Fri Aug 01, 2008 4:08 pm

Heh. If I get lynched today, it could easily be deja vu from yesterday. Townie goes to the gallows screaming that logic and Axel are scum.

I will lynch any of logic, Axel, or......maybe Adel. I can't quite work out if she genuinely thinks I'm scum, or if she's protecting logic & Axel. After our most recent exchange I'm starting to think it's the latter.

Talitha · Post Post #1113 (isolation #89) » Fri Aug 01, 2008 4:09 pm

(PS. Bussing would very really bad play in this situation Adel, and I'm sure you know it.)

Talitha · Post Post #1119 (isolation #90) » Sat Aug 02, 2008 5:53 pm

Axel, admittedly no-one has claimed scum (or the equivalent) yet, thus I agree there are no extremely strong leads.

But your un-enthusiasm for trying to find scum, in a very possible lynch-wrong-lose situation, is pretty damning, IMO.

You mention going back to day 1 to make a case against someone, but it's been my experience that players' true colours start to really show once they get close to winning (or losing). Your un-worried behaviour (wanting to sit back and do the statistical lynch thing... because it's "better than nothing") makes me think you're closer to winning than to losing.

Talitha · Post Post #1125 (isolation #91) » Sun Aug 03, 2008 5:35 pm

Hmm, I still think there's probably 3 scum, but Werebear's reasoning has got me considering the possibility there's only 2.

I don't think the idea that the scum accidentally killed 2 players instead of one on night 2 is very likely... so I'm going to assume there is a vig who has only killed once.

If I were modding, I would have thought 3 scum plus 11 town including a vig was balanced enough. I think a vig IS a valuable player - if the vig kills thoughtfully each night, it's like a double lynch for the town.

Which brings me to an important point. If we don't lynch scum today, the vig MUST kill. If there are 3 scum and the vig doesn't take one out, we lose. If there are two scum, we haven't really lost anything if the vig hits town.

Talitha · Thu Aug 07, 2008 12:20 am

There is no deadline. I can't see myself even setting one today unless the need is extreme.

I started to write a reply to some of nonny's mentionings of me from previous page, but really, what's the point? I'm just making myself upset by trying to respond to someone who is not on my wavelength at all, and who has already decided that she's against me in this game and interprets everything i do from that position.

Adel is a bit the same, but at least I can have a discussion with her.

Anyways, I don't know if their anti-Tally bias makes either of these two scum. They might be, but I am trying not to let my pro-Tally bias cloud my judgement. It feels pretty clouded, though.

I have a weekend starting tomorrow and hopefully I will get a better handle on this game.

Talitha · Thu Aug 07, 2008 12:25 am

Also, this game needs more DGB in it.

Talitha · Thu Aug 07, 2008 12:43 am

Nonny, I'll just say this, to get it off my chest. I don't lurk in games. I give to them as much as I can, whether I'm scum or town. If I'm not posting it's because I can't. I don't have a job like yours where I can post from work. I work really hard all day, then I have my 3 kids to look after when I get home. And we're just coming out of the worst winter I can remember for illnesses. I had to have several weeks in bed during June & July due to a nasty case of bronchitis, and then the worst flu I have ever had. I'm the only person one who does my job, so when I'm away the work all piles up waiting for me to come back. And I have to catch up. I'm amazed I found time to post on scum at all.

So yeah, I'll happily agree that my play in this game has been pretty crap. If you want to explain or put forward a theory of how that makes me

scum

, be my guest. Feel free to check out my play as scum in other games. I will even link all my games I've ever played as scum (and there are a lot) if it will help you to see that I do not lurk as scum. So if you use the word "lurking" in my direction again, I will simply assume that you're saying how sparkly and pro-town I am, and I will smile and ignore it.

Talitha · Sat Aug 09, 2008 11:41 pm

Adel, if those are your impressions of armlx, then what are your impressions of logicticus?

*seconds request for vote count*

Talitha · Sun Aug 17, 2008 12:18 am

Hi all. I'm still happy with my vote on logic, but in order to back it up a little more convincingly and gather my thoughts on most likely partners I am going to give some quality time to this game tomorrow.

Talitha · Sun Aug 17, 2008 11:52 pm

Thanks for doing the prodding nonny.

DGB - I can't make up my mind on Werebear... I guess I feel far more sure about logic. What makes you think he's scum?

Pah, I ran out of hours in the day again...

I will try again tomorrow.

Talitha · Tue Aug 19, 2008 12:20 am

So logic, since you suggested people question you, a couple questions for ya..

Who do you think is going to win this game... town or scum?

Why aren't you voting for anyone?

When will you vote?

Can you please give your snap judgement on the following people... more likely town or more likely scum? (Feel free to elaborate if you wish)
- Axelrod
- Werebear
- DGB
- nonny
- armlx
- Talitha

Talitha · Tue Aug 19, 2008 12:25 am

Hmm, add Adel in there for completeness if you like.

I still haven't been able to look over the thread... too tired and the screen gets all fuzzy when I try.

Talitha · Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:14 pm

I generally dont like classify who I view as the most town because that just puts a target on their back.

Why would that be a factor if we're "in Lylo as suspected"? I believe that you don't want to label people as town, because it limits who you'll be able to vote for without attracting suspicion today. I think you're sitting waiting for a nice juicy townie-wagon to appear.

------------
Question for nonny:
WHY did you ask about a deadline very early on in this game day?

Going back a little further to something nonny said -

nonny wrote:the fact that tally is trying to say we should go off glork and lynch logic due to it. While yes she was voting logic at deadline, she disregarded that axelrod was glorks biggest case and suspect.

I'm confused as to why I should follow Glork's biggest suspect, rather than my own... I was using Glork's opinion of logicticus to back up my own, not the other way around. In fact I remember you pretty much saying as much, nonny. Did I misunderstand you? Why are you backtracking and trying to use it against me now?

Also nonny. Yesterday (AFTER the deadline had passed I must point out) you changed your vote to logic and said "This is a wagon I do believe in." What has changed since then???

Talitha · Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:55 am

Ah yes, the fact we are in LyLo actually makes not revealing who we all think is town even more important, as if the mafia kills a suspect its infinitely better for us. See the end game of Strawberry Mafia for a sorta applicable scenario (4-2, one townie says "Hey, I think X is town", mafia kills them etc etc).

I get this, and it's true if we manage to lynch a scum today, but it doesn't help at all if we lynch wrong today. I am having trouble convincing anyone that logic is scum and would like as much information from him as possible so that everyone can make a completely informed judgement on his alignment. First things first, ya know? Anyway, the mafia will already have a decent idea of who is likely or less-likely to get lynched tomorrow. Sure, saying who we think is town might help them tonight, but I believe it would help us (town)

more

... today, and tomorrow, if we get a tomorrow.

Taking kids to soccer... back later

Talitha · Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:06 pm

I can see logic being scum either way...

I have a lot of doubt over nonny - my gut doesn't think she's scum, even though there's about 17 different reasons I want to vote her.

Talitha · Fri Aug 22, 2008 3:07 pm

Probably something obvious I've missed, but what makes you think that nonny has to be scum if logic is, Adel?

Talitha · Sat Aug 23, 2008 11:32 pm

I decided I am going to read over the whole game. No-one seems to be in a huge hurry here which is good (but do let me know if the length of the day is causing extreme boredom for anyone).

I didn't get very far, though. Got stuck on the first page and decided I'd like to look at the sequence of events closely (I have only included what I consider the relevant posts!):

1. zu Faul posts "I'm out of the game. I was a vanilla townie" (or something like that)
2. Cam says "Interesting post from zu. I have nothing in my role PM that says I have to self-reveal when deceased. Either this was told to him by emp once it was known he was going to die, or part of his role is that he can fake his own death. Or something."
3. elvis notes "Judging from the fact that zu self-revealed and coron is in charge of vote counts, it seems that various game-related chores (mod duties) have been parceled out to players. "
4. Macros says "What the hells with zu_faul, was he a suicide townie? a joker?"
5. logicticus points out that zu Faul's death post has changed to "I have been brutally murdered, I dont know who did it but I may do at some stage."
6. Macros says "holy crap, what in the hell is ging on, it said something like "I am vanilla townie I quit" Emptyger, what is going on? "

What I earlier found suspicious about this is that Macros did the editing but was playing dumb like he had no clue what was going on. This is suspicious enough. But upon reading it again, look what he changed zu Faul's post to: "I have been brutally murdered". How could Macros be so confident about that? Compare to townie-Cam's post which didn't seem to have a clue what was going on. It really looks to me like Macros must have known that zu Faul was murdered, because he helped with the murdering.

What say you nonny? How did Macros know that zu Faul was murdered so early on day 1 when the rest of us were still scratching our heads wondering what the heck is going on?

Talitha · Sat Aug 23, 2008 11:34 pm

I also want to look closely at the part where Macros 'fesses up to changing the post, but that will have to be tomorrow.

Talitha · Sun Aug 24, 2008 4:43 pm

At the start of the game, it took me about a page to figure out what was going on. Admittedly some people are quicker than I am, but I still can't see how a clueless townie could be so sure that when zu_Faul posted "I am out of the game/eliminated from the game" it meant that scum had murdered him.

Talitha · Sun Aug 24, 2008 11:47 pm

The point is this: how did Macros even know it was a kill? Of course he might've guessed, but if he was guessing I'm saying it would have taken some time for him to get his head around it. zu Faul apparently didn't make it very clear that he was killed (said something like "I have been eliminated". For all we knew at that point it could have been bastard moddery or ANYTHING). But Macros knew immediately it was a night kill.

Talitha · Sun Aug 24, 2008 11:51 pm

And, he didn't just realise it was a kill (like Elvis did, for example), he was confident enough to immediately edit the death post stating that the death was murder.

Talitha · Mon Aug 25, 2008 4:52 pm

I know what you are both saying but does that mean that my point has absolutely no merit?

Talitha · Mon Aug 25, 2008 5:55 pm

Your opinion doesn't count, sorry.

Talitha · Mon Aug 25, 2008 9:59 pm

I sort of was, nonny, but only because you two were the only ones to comment. But of course, your opinion still doesn't mean anything in this instance.

I would probably vote nonny, but no-one else is, so I guess I'll just go back to the re-read.

Talitha · Tue Aug 26, 2008 5:26 pm

Why is that a reason not to vote someone?

Because I already had a perfectly good vote. I'm looking for a good

wagon

and I'd STILL rather it was on logic than nonny. But I can't lynch either one of them on my own.

unvote: logic, vote nonny

Talitha · Tue Aug 26, 2008 5:28 pm

It seems so obvious to me that if she were town then scum would be on her wagon with me, but here I am, all alone, sitting in a wagon built for 5.

Those were my

exact

thoughts about logic.

Talitha · Tue Aug 26, 2008 5:44 pm

Talitha · Tue Aug 26, 2008 5:51 pm

You're right, that's exactly what Adel said. That's why I quoted it...
Is there a reason you're stating the obvious?

Talitha · Tue Aug 26, 2008 6:03 pm

I'm still confused and had to think about that for several minutes. Are you saying I'm scum and nonny's town? Because you could just come out and say it instead of acting all slimy-like.

Talitha · Tue Aug 26, 2008 6:17 pm

Well, I hope you're right. It's not a particularly helpful observation though.

Talitha · Tue Aug 26, 2008 6:28 pm

One of which two? Me and Adel? I thought you were talking about me and nonny.

Talitha · Tue Aug 26, 2008 6:37 pm

Anyway, why have you changed your mind on nonny? You were all about lynching her earlier.

Talitha · Fri Aug 29, 2008 11:33 pm

So we've got 2 people with two votes. And it's been like this for a while. Could they both be scum? Possible...

Thinking about this has made me remember nonny's defence of Werebear/Phoebus when I stated suspicion about Phoebus' reasons for leaving the game. I recall she wasn't interested in listening to me, just interested in twisting my words and discrediting me.

I'm continuing my re-read slowly. I liked the post where Macros said DGB was a dirty scumbag if it was she who edited the posts.

Talitha · Sat Aug 30, 2008 2:36 pm

Hmm, where nonny says that Axel and me are THE scum (post 1329 above).. am I reading too much into it that if nonny is scum, there might only be two of them?

Because that is a tie to Werebear, who also said there would only be two scum in this game.

But a nonny/Werebear group would mean that logic isn't scum which I have a hard time believing. (Unless he's SK or something).

Talitha · Sat Aug 30, 2008 2:37 pm

Axel wrote:Well, aside from knowing that it isn't an "Axel/Tally/DGB" scumgroup, I am much more thinking along the lines of your second grouping.

Ditto.

Talitha · Sat Aug 30, 2008 3:12 pm

He can't be scum with both Werebear and nonny if there are only two scum. Sorry, I thought that was clearly implied.

Talitha · Sat Aug 30, 2008 3:15 pm

The thing was, nonny hasn't ARGUED there are only two scum, she just sort of implied it. And with me believing that she actually does have that information (i.e. number of scum), it made me wonder.

Talitha · Sun Aug 31, 2008 5:30 pm

nonny wrote:Tally that is a stretch, since previously I have said that I believe you and axel to be scum and that I'm not sure if or who the third one is.

k, missed that sorry.

Talitha · Wed Sep 03, 2008 12:54 am

I'm still prefering nonny. But I'm thinking the scum are probably nonny/werebear/logic.

(Damn the lack of hours in a day... I need to finish my read-over

)

armlx should put a votecount on every page votecount

nonny-3 (Adel, Tally, Logictus)
werebear- 2 (DGB, armlx)
axel- 1 (nonny)
DGB- 1 (werebear)

(Axel,)

8 alive, 5 to lynch

Talitha · Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:07 am

Werebear is DEFINITELY scum. So is nonny.
Logic is my only doubt, but i'm still thinking he's the third.

Talitha · Fri Sep 05, 2008 11:53 pm

I think nonny is the safest lynch. She's been at L-1 for nearly 3 days... you have to think that either she's scum, or all 3 scum are already voting for her.

From my POV this means that either Adel, logic AND DGB are scum, or nonny is scum.
If Adel & DGB are scum together, then I'd rather just quit now.

Yeah another explanation is that there could be a patient scum just waiting... but meh, I really don't think they'd wait so long to hammer with 4 votes already on a townie. What if someone unvoted?

So yeah, I think it's reasonable to assume that non is scum.

Talitha · Wed Sep 10, 2008 12:36 am

Logic, you are allowed to post as well as

sending the kill and

opening and closing the thread you know...

(I'm not dead)

Talitha · Wed Sep 10, 2008 2:27 pm

Ouch! It hurt to lose this one, but I know I played poorly.

Well done scum.

I knew it was Adel when nonny came up town. Adel, you're a pretty scary player. And I never really suspected armlx, you're rather scary too. Least I was right about logic, but well played to you too, and kudos to your scum partners for never letting a bandwagon on you get rolling, and never appearing to protect you in any way.

That's my quick comment for now, I'm in the middle of my working day... maybe more later.

Talitha · Wed Sep 10, 2008 2:34 pm

Check out Axel's post 1415

Talitha · Sat Sep 13, 2008 1:27 pm

Adel wrote:how?

Not sure and i don't know if I could have convinced anyone else had the game not been over.

It was just one of those epiphany moments that followed the "dammit" moment of having a lynched a townie.

I actually liked the mysterious setup of this game. It was a pity that it wasn't everyone's cup of tea. Without a mod to keep things rolling, the confusion and apathy affected everyone. Still, I enjoyed it.