Really Bad Idea Mafia - Game Over

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In before dark.
I'll be more active tomorrow.
Hypocop sounds good.

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Dammit!

8 minutes too late!

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8. goborage
12. Sir Tornado
13. Gimbo
15. Niv
17. chenhsi
18. Natirasha
19. Bogre
20. Coron
21. Ghyrt
23. Erratus Apathos
28. Query
32. The Jester
36. JordanA24

These people haven't shot anyone yet.

Kill:Coron

Thank you and goodnight.

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Not a cop with a guilty.

There can't be many scum left, right? Three dead, that would make one or two left.

I'm not sure I believe this 'replacement godfather' idea. Where's it come from? Goons can't shoot, right, so if there is a replacement he'd have gotten his power to shoot after the first godfather died, or what?

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Actually, i'd say we have at least 7 left.

40 players in the game, 3:1 makes 10:30, however with EVERY town member having power i'd say it could be something like 12 or 13.

But most of them will be people who haven't shot anybody, right? So I guess we just go through the list, get person x to shoot person y, and so on. We've got about 8 mostly confirmed townies at the minute, right?

I want Bogre to shoot Ghyrt. (Mostly random, to start things off.)

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8. goborage
12. Sir Tornado
13. Gimbo
15. Niv
18. Natirasha
19. Bogre
21. Ghyrt
23. Erratus Apathos
28. Query
32. The Jester

People who haven't shot or been shot (updated)

Nighty night folks.

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Everyone on that list needs to be killed.

Agreed.

But it's better if we make them kill each other.

I'm in your threads, stealin your locks. ^__^

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Forbidennlight, I don't think you should kill chensi tomorrow. He's much more likely to be town than scum.

I still want Bogre to shoot Ghyrt.

Can we make sure everyone gets at least one post tommorrow before somebody dies?

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Okay, Xtoxm said everything I was going to say. (Damn you, xtoxm! )

I still want Bogre to shoot Ghyrt or the other way round. I'd also like to know who the other cleared people want to see dead.

Also, because I'm an impatient bastard, if one of these people:
8. goborage
13. The Fonz
18. Natirasha
19. Bogre
21. Ghyrt
does not shoot one of the other people on that list in four days, I'm gonna shoot one of you.

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I'm okay with goborage, The Fonz or Natirasha killing Bogre or Ghyrt as well. Or killing each other. As long as someone suspicious shoots someone else suspicious, I'm happy.

B.t.w. I'm not a cop with a guilty.

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Oh god no! No replacements!

Kill Bogre now!

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No, kill bogre or Goborage. No kill means our mafia is a lurker- I think.

In fact; I vote: Fonz kill Bogre.

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Kill: Bogre

(Simulpost)

Sleep well.

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Don't shoot anyone until everyone has checked in please, Query. Let's have a proper talk first.

My notes:
2. somestrangeflea –killed mafia goon
7. forbiddanlight –shot godfather
8. goborage –killed town
12. Sir Tornado iamausername-cleared by cop (could be godfather?)
17. chenhsi –killed town
18. Natirasha –killed town, TDC (maf) ‘vote natirasha to kill natirasha’
23. Erratus Apathos –killed Mafia cleared by cop
26. M4yhem –killed town
28. Query ?
31. Xtoxm –killed town
38. Grimmy-killed town, Fonz (mafia) calls him town

I think Iamusername could be godfather.

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I personally like the theory we had a goon that was promoted to Godfather when the godfather died. This makes a lot of sense since the GF died first. I'm more willing to believe people who shot after I killed the GF are scum.

That's everybody still living, who shot someone. I checked.

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I also think it's a terrible idea to shoot forbiddenlight. In fact

Fos:Chensi

for that. She killed the godfather! I can see a goon shooting another goon but not the godfather.

I think the first thing is to make sure query and Iamusername can shoot. If they can shoot, then we have a goon who can shoot and we need to do some actual scumhunting. But maybe it is very simple: Iamusername is a godfather which is why he looked innocent to the cop and when we shoot him, the game is over. I'd like to hear what he has to say.

And obviously,

noone but Query or Iam should shoot today

. I'd also really like everyone to make at least one post saying who they want shot before we go to night.

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I'm hoping if I ask nicely, you'll both wait. So please, please, Iamusername, don't shoot query till everyone checks in. Same for you, Query.

This supports the idea that scum got promoted and they want to avoid confirmeds.

Or they want us to think they got promoted. I know, I know, WIFOM. But it's possible.

I'm cop confirmed, dude.

Sorry, I missed that. But Godfathers show as innocent anyway so till you shoot somebody, you're suspect. And afterwards too, actually. Everyone's a suspect now.

You want I am shot then, right?

Yes, unless he shoots query. We need the two non-shooters eliminated before we look at the shooters again.

Curious, but why are you so certain that Erratus and query aren't scum?

Erratus shot someone. Traditionally in this game, the godfather can't shoot. Since query is eager to kill, I don't think he's godfather. Obviously, if he doesn't kill for a few days, my view will change.

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I thought goons could shoot and godfathers show as innocent because that seems an obvious way to balance things.

Otherwise, it seems like it sucks to be a goon.

So I guess that means there's no way there are any goons left, only a godfather?

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Okay, so shooting won't work anymore.

Query and Iam can't be goons, because they are cop cleared, so I guess it doesn't matter who does the shooting.

In that case, I suggest Natirasha to die, because TDC made a joke about him shooting himself, which might be a form of distancing. And he weirds me out

Chensi also kind of rings my bell but he might just be an overeager townie.

Forbidden- who do you want shot? (Same question to everyone else, really.)

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Hmmm, a cop? I'm amazed we still have a cop. I guess I believe that, since I can't think why a godfather would lie if he can kill...unless you're saving your power for the end game or something.

Forbiddenlight- forgive me for asking but have you ever won as town? I'm just wondering how good your 'trained guessing' really is. You did get the godfather, which is (much) better than I've done so far but I'm still curious.

I agree Natirasha's 'I have practically shot' post looks dodgy.

What about Fonz's comment's? Can we get anything out of them or is it better to ignore them? If he says Grimmy is town, is he trying to get us to think he's protecting Grimmy or is he protecting Grimmy because he believes that we'd think he'd never be that obvious?

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Good post.

It's interesting that all the examples on the 'too townie' entry all have town using it against town. Do scum ever use it, I wonder?

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I'd prefer it if query did the killing.

Let's wait till the remaining players have spoken up and then he can shoot Natirasha or whoever else the majority says is scummy.

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There was a missed kill at some point so that arguement reeally doesn't help you.

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It was day 13 that had no kill, which fits in nicely.

Also 'I wouldn't have been useful' is a bad arguement anyway because it doesn't mean you are not scum, it just means you're useless.

Shoot him, Query.

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Kaleidoscope, Natirasha's dead. He'll never kill again.

Sorry to be picky but I thought you'd want to know.

Okay, so I lost my patience yesterday. This day, we really should wait for everyone to post before killing. Especially Grimmy.

I'm glad the cop is dead, because I was going to suggest killing him today, in case he was saving a kill for the endgame.

I suspect: Grimmy, for being quiet and because Fonz said he was town, Xtoxm because of the case made against him yesterday and chensi for not always making sense.

I'd like everybody to answer the following questions:
Who do you think should be killed today?
Who should do the killing? (It's best to get whoever is the second most suspected to kill, so that they are behind the 'townie' players ion terms of time till shooting in the endgame.
Who should not be shot?

My answers at the moment:
Grimmy to kill Xtoxm
No shooting Forbiddenlight or Flea.

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Since we've all shot at least once, there has to be a godfather so cop results mean nothing now. Unless there's a modified goon role but there's no way of knowing that.

KaleiÐoscøpe

: Please can we have prods on Grimmy and Goborage? Thank you.

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I think that the chances of having 2 gfs is really small.

What other explanation is there?

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You're a candidate for killing, Goborage. Mainly because you've only posted twice.

Can you give us your two top choices for scum, please?

Grimmy, same question.

Chensi- please don't shoot until we've gotten some input from everyone, or else if I survive I'll shoot you tomorrow.

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Xtoxm is not going to kill anyone until we're ready and neither is anybody else because then I will kill them tomorrow. And if I'm dead, one of you will have to kill them.

We need to talk for a day or so, I think.

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I wouldn't have shot you (or flea). Maybe if you are still alive in the endgame I'll consider you being scum but at the moment you are the closest thing to cleared we've got.

(Doesn't mean I wouldn't be annoyed with you though. )

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Who is left on the unconfirmed list?

Everyone.

Pay attention.

QFT.

Please read the thread, we've been through this.

Also answer the questions I asked you, por favor.

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I agree. If you shoot flea, I will kill you tomorrow.

We are waiting for Goborage to talk, yes flea. If he posts again without any content, I would support his instant execution by Xtoxm or Grimmy but at the moment let's give him the benefit of the doubt. He might have something to say.

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Xtoxm is not going to kill anyone until we're ready and neither is anybody else because then I will kill them tomorrow.

Goodbye, Xtoxm.

Unless you just won the game for us, in which case, well done.

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Well, if you're town they'll probably leave me alive too, so I can shoot your sorry ass.

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All I know is that you may have just shot a townie before he could defend himself.

There'd better not be three Godfathers; that'd be mental.

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Hurray wine! I like wine.

Just to add to the sea of WIFOM, if I was scum I would totally kill Xtoxm in his sleep so that I didn't have to use my kill tomorrow.

Drink up, there's plenty for everyone!

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Who do you think should be shot then?

I'd be happy to shoot Xtoxm.

But if we're going by suspects, then I'd rather have Chenhsi shoot Grimmy.

How many think Xtoxm is the play today?

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I don't know... do you think people who shot scum are scummier or people who shot town?

People who shot town.

It's possible that scum would shoot scum to clear themselves but they'd prefer to shoot town.

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Chensi is a suspect because he's been all over the place with his speculation.

You're not in my top two suspects but you are number three.

I'm happy to shoot you because you shot Goborage without letting him talk which cost us one set of townie opinions. Your manner is also somewhat hostile. Feeling cornered, maybe. So it's not just a policy kill, although that's part of it.

Your omgusing isn't helping me see you as town either.

Is that 24 hours yet?

Kill Xtoxm

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Flea- I reread Grimmy and he seemed more town to me.

His early game looks a lot better than his late game.

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Tell me what you think of Xtoxm, Flea. Would you rather have Grimmy die than him?

And are you happy to do it or is it better to make Erratus or Chensi or me do it?

I'm thinking I'd rather have you on 24 hrs in the endgame than either of them.

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I'm thinking joke...

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His early game looks a lot better than his late game.

Really? To me it just looks like the standard rushed posting and "shoot anyone who hasn't shot" which pretty much everyone was doing. As such, his early game is more null IMO. [/quote]

Well, I don’t know, it just seemed like he said things that generally I agreed with. There wasn’t anything that stood out as scummy. I guess it is kind of neutral.

It’d be nice to have everyone reread really. It didn’t take me long, about five-10 minutes. Forbiddenlight is the only super-chatty player. Of course, I didn’t read myself, so it might take you longer.

One thing I’m starting to wonder about- why are the near-confirmed players still alive?

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Erratus shot scum but at that point it was clear Fonz would die anyway so it means very little.

I'm wondering if it's better to leave Xtoxm alive since he's on a 48 hr leash.

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Why EA?

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Details? Or are you just BSing?

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Any kind of reasoning behind those choices?

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Yes, but

why

?

(I really need a facepalm smilie).

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Damn it, guys.

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I'm so going to shoot Xtoxm tomorrow.

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Whoops. Rearranging the format of the forum clock shows that I was actually 26 seconds early myself.

Kill: Grimmy

Wait, so I could have shot Xtoxm?

Just incase...

Kill:Xtoxm

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M4? Please, I'm not a motorway.

Maybe it's because I'm obvious pro-town and your case is pure omgus?

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Sooo...kill Xtoxm then?

Chensi, Erratus, are you planning to kill anyone today?

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Who do you think should be the shootee, Flea?

^_____It would be nice to have everyone answer this question actually.

Who shoots who? You have 24 hours.

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I am townie.

Your narrow focus on me is a tactic I often use myself as scum; keeping pushing at one target often emough and people start to listen.

For this reason I can't help but think you're scum.

But assuming you're not; why are you so certain I'm scum?

What makes you sure enough that Chensi is town that you'd give the game to him if you are wrong?

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I find your opinions lack detail...

I will shoot someone if the whole town prefers me to be the shooter. However, I'd rather EA or Chensi be the shooter, simply because I trust both of them less than I trust myself.

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Chen- Since you aren't gone yet, how do you feel about shooting somebody?

And who do you think we should kill? Need your input, asap.

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You have notes?

I'd like to see them.

I'd be happy with you shooting EA but that leaves a lot of power in my hands, Chensi. Are you happy with that?

Xtoxm- I flip-flop on you. Sometimes I think you're angry town, sometimes I think you're scum.

EA is an unknown quantity. At this stage, if he's a threat i'd like him neutralized. You are already neutralized because you're on 48hrs, so letting you live another day is a real possibility.

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I don't think I'm blindsided. I still think shooting Goborage before he could talk was an anti-town act.

Chensi- It's your choice. I would say that the more analysis we have at this point, the more chance we have to get it right.

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I think EA and Chen both have a point.

EA is right that people who shot scum are not

more likely

to be scum than people who shot scum.

Chen is right that shooting scum could be a good way for other scum to clear themselves. (Especially in your case, EA, because Fonz was obviously going to be shot anyway.)

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EA- If I could have, I'd have shot immediatly. Many players here, including me, joined to kill people.

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Kill:somestrangeflea

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...testing.

Okay, this is difficult. I can think of good reasons to shoot every one of you.

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Kill: Erratus Apathos

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Wow, you're townie?

Yay!!!

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Yes.

I still fail to understand how you ever saw me as scum.

Right back at ya.

I didn't always but when I saw I was dead instead of Chensi, I thought it must be you.

Nevermind. Nice shot.

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Meh, we won. I don't really care about the details.

KaleiÐoscøpe, that was great fun. Thank you for running it. And thank you to everyone for not killing me (except you Flea ).