Hot Potato Mafia - Game Over

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/confirm

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*throws tomatoes at people*

I'm excited too.

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FoS: Scruffs

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It won't do anything. But how else do we get conversation started?

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I guess if we all agree to pass the potato to our top suspect, the chance of them exploding would go up.

I also like the idea of giving potatos to lurkers.

Is it better to keep the potatos moving or not?

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I somehow don't think players can hold more than one potato. Might be worth a try, though.

It says you have to specify which potato to throw; that suggests you can hold more than one.

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I think the only way to work out how these things work is to experiment by acting out whatever crazy idea comes into our heads.

Try juggling the potato, Porochaz.

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Hey BM- pass it to me! I'm free and I've got an open shot to goal!

I think we should try and do this like a normal game; vote, and then pass the person with the most votes (or the top three suspects) all the potatos over and over 'till they blow up.

On that note

Fake vote: Wizardcat

for being against everything I stand for.

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Vote:Stoofer

Counter-wagon.

Wizardcat- you don't like useless chat? I love it. Hence the 'everyhting I stand for' comment.

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Sounds fine.

We've got three potatos though, so why not three people?

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Okay, two people it is then.

unfakevote:Wizardcat

Fake vote: JohnWWells

-Lurker scum.

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What should we do then, Kittymage?

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Nice idea, but theres no way im wasting my potato on a guy who needs replacement!

BM

This is the problem, right here. What if the people with potatos don't like the wagon? What do we do?

We'll see, BM. It's not my final vote by a long shot. Maybe you'll like my next vote better.

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in case u hadnt noticed, John already has a potato. He's a timebomb already.

I forgot.

unfakevote, Fake vote:Luigi Gangsta

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^---Lurker hunt.

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I'm not using bold because it might confuse/annoy the mods and the last thing I want to see is an angry PJosarian2.

As for the 'fake vote' I thought it was funny and underline and different colours make the votes stand out.

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You have a point, Crazy. I'm certainly not going to be holding on to any potatos thrown at me for very long.

BM- I understand you don't want to play this exactly like a normal game but surely you agree we need some kind of system to try to kill guilty people, otherwise this will just be a random deathfest.

I think it might be a bad idea to give more than one potato to people; it concentrates too much power in one person's hands.

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Bounce mr. potatohead off scruff's face

It's possible one potato will go off after a certain number of passes. However, at this point any speculation about how potatoes work is just that: speculation. As I said before, we won't know until we experiment. And we should experiment because we can't control the game environment until we understand it. For that reason, I think the potatoes should keep moving.

I also think we should stick with the voting system. Otherwise, it seems like the people who don't have potatoes will get bored pretty fast. We need some way to stay involved in the game process.

C'mon, Porochaz, share the wealth!

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++ Are there any mafia/power roles that know the triggers?

There might be but it's a bad idea to speculate about power roles and the mafia probably won't tell us what they know.

++Is it possible that a word could be a trigger?

Anything's possible at this point. Until we know more, who knows?

++And if so, after the bomb goes off should we look for the last person who used an uncommon word?

I think we should look at all the circumstances not just the words used. Post count, page number, number of passes, number of days and so on.

Chuck potato at Luigi Gangsta

Welcome to the game.

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Luigi- When I was just a newbie, back when dinosaurs ruled the earth, I was told that speculating on power roles is always bad because the reactions of people to the speculation can help the scum work out who has a power role and who doesn't.

It's true it will be hard to kill the players we want to kill in this game. There's probably a balancing mechanic but it's best not to guess at what it is.

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Erm what? Haven't we already concluded that there is a strong possibility that some potatoes may explode after a certain number of tosses?

We haven't concluded anything because we have no evidence, since none of the potatos have exploded. Until we've tested the idea that a number of tossess=bang there's no reason to believe it.

Why then, would you suggest that we waste our firepower?

How can we waste anything if we don't know how it works? Maybe it's not number of tosses, maybe it's something else. We won't learn unless we experiment.

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Okay, if we're giving reasons for our passes now, which is probably a good idea, I passed my potato to Luigi because he hadn't said much and I wanted to see how he'd react.

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There should be more Kuribo hate.

Why?

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I have to agree that Skruffs seems to be doing some serious reaching.

Also, I totally forgot that BM said his PM says number of potatos is a trigger. That changes things and we should probably be a bit more careful who we throw to.

BM- What personal reasons does Skruffs have for attacking you?

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I'm amazed at how sure DGB and Armlx are that BM is scum. I'm leaning towards crazy town myself.

I guess it makes sense that Skruffs wants BM dead after being beaten by him but it really shouldn't make a difference to the game.

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How do you know it was deliberate?

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I guess you're right.

I'm not sure I agree that fooling around and disrupting disscusion is more likely to be done by scum though.

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Why? It is anti-town behavior.

It's also attention seeking behavior. Scum is trying to avoid being looked at.

Plus, meta:BM is likely this in most games he plays, so I've heard.

/agree withq21.

unvote, Vote:Skruffs

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Oh snap.

If it's page numbers, he died on page twelve

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How many times have the other potatos been passed?

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Hmm, that is quite a scummy post from John but I'm thinking it might be newness talking.

The obvious problem is that townies can be wrong when they suspect someone of being scum. I know if you killed me every time I was wrong in a game, I'd never make it past day one. So this is a bad plan. I don't see what's wrong with armlx's plan actually: we vote on two front runners and then pass the potatos to them.

Of course, I'm not saying we should ignore the fact that someone has killed someone but it's just one piece of evidence among others.

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You should probably consider getting that meta fixed. 0.o

BM

Are you claiming you

are

always disruptive?

Good work on the potatos. I doubt they will all be controlled by number of passes though. That's too easy.

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I think the potatos will have consistant triggers. The town needs some way to control who dies, to make the game balanced.

Am I the only one who sees JohnW's comments as a newbie mistake rather than scummy?

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I'm also disinclined to dismiss JWW as noobish, based on his signup post. Apparently he won a scummy back in 2003, so he must understand the basics.

Okay, that changes my entire perspective on him.

Fos:RiceBallTail

for stating an intention to actively lurk.

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My eyes are bleeding from this conversation.

My 20p- q21's action was basically neutral. I can see scum throwing a potato, I can see town throwing a potato.

The Silent Speaker is obviously scum buddies with Kuribo. Nice distancing, genius.

(Did you ever answer my question-why the kuribo hate?)

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He posted just now and didn't answer. To me, that's enough.

What do you care anyway?

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We might not know today how potatos work but I think we will have some idea tomorrow. For instance, if we get another russet potato, assuming the eighth throw kills until proven otherwise is a good idea.

Also, I really think the potatos should be moving around. By giving someone a potato, you're forcing them to take a stand in a way that voting just doesn't accomplish.

I'm not all that convinced by TSS's case on Kuribo. The fact is, most of the town has been mainly speculating.

I think what we need is a bandwagon, that usually gets things moving.

Vote:TSS

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Have they been speculating by just saying things to buck attempts at order?

I guess not but 'buck attempts at order' is kind of in the eye of the beholder. I mean, hardly anyone is following the voting plan, for instance.

That's sure useful....

I'm glad you agree.

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You just said it right there, Ricetailball.

It's not hot potato, it's hot potato mafia. Your attitude is kind of anti-town.

Vote:Ricetailball

Hey BM, your momma's so fact, she has her own postcode.

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*fat.

I fail @ INSULTS.

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How do you know my mother?

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No, what you're saying is "The town should do what I say or they're scum."

No, I'm saying that if everyone is voting a pro-town player to the extent they would be lynched they would and should hold onto the potato.

Are you saying protown people should let themselves die if the town thinks they're scummy? That seems wrong, I think people who are falsey accused should fight back not just role over.

How can we kill anyone if the same people just keep holding the potatoes?

We can kill those holding the potatoes, and have them throw them at designated people to try to kill them.[/quote]

How do we kill them?

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Maybe I'm reading too much into it but the lynch scene makes it sound like he died from inactivity. We are playing under Mr. Nuke All Lurkers after all.

Armlx- you really want protown players to participate willingly in their own mislynch?

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Yeah, that's it. He held onto his potato for 72 hours without tossing it. That

is

inactivity.

I wrote my comment, got logged out (my connection 's bad) and then posted without looking.

So yeah, we agree.

Armlx- I wouldn't. I'd shoot whoever I thought was scum.

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I'd rather be mislynched than shoot myself. At least I'd have an extra chance of shooting scum.

To get back to the actual game- if a townie who we all think is scum holds on to a potato and explodes, we're down one townie. If they throw it at someone they think is scum, we might see a scum killed or be down a different townie.

It seems to me the second option is better.

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What you are saying here is you think your personal choice of vig shot is going to be more informed and more informative then a town majority......

Well yeah, if the majority's choice is someone I know to be innocent, I'd say my choice is more informed.

But we still have one suspect we have to eliminate somehow, and that causes all sorts of issues.

I guess...unless they kill scum, in which case they'd be less of a suspect, surely?

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Now I'm just waiting for you to say you would go against the town's wishes in a Kingmaker game....

There's an obvious difference there. In the self-vigging scenario and in this game, you're talking about situations where the player knows something the rest of the players don't i.e. their own alignment. That's not the case in kingmaker.

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Its the same general principle.

No, it really isn't.

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unvote, Vote:Armlx

Happy now?

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I find your tunneling on Kuribo scummy and your logic lacking.

Ricetailball has been at least as unhelpful as kuribo (much more so, I'd say) but you're ignoring her totally. Double standards much?

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She has, and I have noted this. Kuribo comes in ahead of Riceball solely due to the fact Riceball offered up the flawed, but existant alternative of just playing hot potato over mafia.

How is 'playing hot potato' a viable alternative?

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Voting is viable because it gives us a solid record of where people's suspicions lie which we can quickly look back on. In theory anyway.

I find your negativity wearying.

We didn't have a lynching mechanism today, it's true. But assuming the russet potato always explodes after eight tosses, we will have one tomorrow.

What does voting have to do with trust anyway? It's a way of keeping discussion going. Otherwise, everyone without potatos will just sit around doing nothing.

executioner= the person with the russet potato on the seventh throw.

Why are you so determained to prevent any kind of progress, RiceTailBall?

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Why do you keep insisting that I am trying to prevent progress?

Because you seem to be trying to prevent progress.

Why do you assume we're going to have another russet potato tomorrow?

Because it makes logical sense from a game balance point of view.

Maybe you know this already?

No.

Wouldn't that make you scum?

Unless you know for a fact that scum get setup information in this game, that wouldn't logically follow, no.

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You don't think telling people the progress they are making is futile might prevent them making progress in the future?

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We've found out the russet potato takes eight throws to detonate. That's huge progress.

Besides, if everyone had your attitude, the game would stall.

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Chuck Yam at RiceTailBall

Let's see what you do with that.

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Longer, based on yesterday.

We don't really know of course.

Ricetailball- Yes, you need a reason. So much for getting you to play properly. Even with the potato, you don't try to play mafia.

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Sounds like one, yah.

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I'm willing to believe this. It sounds crazy enough to be true.

Vote:RiceTailBall

- active lurking, refusing to scumhunt, failing to give any kind of reasoning for who she throws a potato to.

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I'd prefer RiceTailBall for the reasons I've already given.

I'm neutral on DBE, she's not said much.

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Okay, rereading DBE there's not really much to choose between them. Zero content both.

Fire away.

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Bake:Potato

I can't contain my curiousity anymore. I'd better claim; I'm a potato baker. Baking potatos changes their trigger somehow; I don't know any more than that.

RiceTailBall- If I give you this potato, who will you pass it to and why?

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I think it took longer to explode, didn't it?

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I forget things really easy. Seriously.

But if there's a chance I might kill RiceTailBall with one shot, I'd be happy to try it.

Lob Baked Russet at RiceTailBall's head

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Okay, so the baked russet doesn't actually kill in a single throw.

Maybe the yam makes other potatos blow up?

Can I have the blue potato, q21? I'd like to bake it, if it doesn't kill me first.

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How do you figure?

Also, please provide examples of this 'potatolust'.

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Or maybe you're scum and he's right?

But you actually posted content! This is good!

I still don't see why asking for a potato is scummy. Of course, I would say that- I want to bake every potato I can get my hands on. Still, explain why potatolust is scummy rather than just perverted.

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I buy the claim. This game's pretty crazy and we really need some way of knowing what potatos do so it fits.

I also think Q21 looks protown and want to kill Ricetailball.

Bake Blue Potato

Build catapult,

Launch Blue Potato at Ricetailball

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Ricetailball- can I have that potato?

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Yes, when it's baked, unless you can defend yourself/give me a compelling case against someone else.

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There is no russet potato, only a baked yellow potato and a blue one.

Can I have the blue one, please? (the yelloww is already baked so I don't want that.)

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Thank you, that's lovely.

Bake blue potato

Re-wrap blue potato and deliver it to Ricetailball's house, with a bunch of flowers

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I believe Riceballtail's claim. It kind of explains why she hasn't been trying harder to avoid getting potatoes thrown at her; if they can't hurt her, it doesn't matter.

I think we should treat the yellow potato as a vig kill. We pass it around and whoever gets the 14 pass had better think carefully before they throw it.

I don't know if I have the baked yellow potato since Korts passed me a russet, but if I do

toss baked yellow potato to Rally Vincent

and see if he talks.

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Any suggestions, Korts?

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Okay, that's five throws out of the lethal 15.

Korts->M4y->Rally Vincent->kuribo->Rally vincent

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No, four throws. Sorry, can't count.

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6 throws of the yellow now.

Is there any chance of getting some reasoning with those votes?

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^ Throws, not votes.

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11 throws. If current trends continue, I believe kuribo will be dead in four throws.

As for the blue potato, who knows. Ricetailball's role makes it hard to calculate (assuming she's not lying.)

I feel like I'm watching a game of ping-pong here.

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12...13

No, he won't. He'll throw it to one of his scumbuddies on the 14th throw to get me killed on throw 15. His reasoning will of course be that he doesn't give it to me on throw 14 because he tells people I am scum...

We'll see. It's certainly interesting to watch.

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Awesome.

I guess that means Rally Vincent is clean.

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Interesting.

Ricetailball?

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Maybe Wizardcat needs a prod/replace? She did say she was going away.

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It would be a clever fake role if she was scum.

Also, she's posted without trying to explain. Ricetailball? Didn't you say you cancelled throws?

Might be worth testing her claim. She won't die if she's truthful anyway.

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So the only way to test Ricetailball's claim is to throw a potato with a known trigger at her when it's about to go off.

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We can still throw regular potatos at her. If she dies, we'd know she lied. Obviously.

I wonder if Wizardcat picked up the prod?

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Can't do much without her, can we?

*Juggles imaginary potatos*

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True.

DGB threw it: Mon Sep 01, 2008 2:56 am (british summer time aka GMT +1)

So it's been about three days so far.

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Don't tempt the mods.

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In one hour Wizardcat will have had the potato for five days.

*taps feet*

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That's right.

This is all your fault, you know.

Or possibly Wizardcat's.

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I think the russet takes eight throws to kill someone (I read back through the thread. I'm not the best with numbers, so it might be slightly less or more.)

I would like the yellow and the yam for culinary reasons, please TDC and Porochaz.

As for the russet, I don't really need that.

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Thanks.

Bake yellow potato

Right, we've got 14 throws before this baby blows.

Hurl to skitzer

, because he's an unknown quality.

DGB- Versatile it might be, but if it ain't bakeable, I'm not interested.

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Thank you.

Bake Yam

I don't know what the trigger is for this.

Katapult yam to Korts

. Another player I've no real read on.

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Yellow= 11 throws till death
Russet= 7 ish
Yam= ???

What do you mean by fake, Poro? I'm fairly sure the yam blew up and killed someone. Don't mix it with other veg- it went boom on someone holding two potatos.

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I don't see a problem with testing RBT's claim. I suggest we use the yellow potato, since we know exactly the number of throws it will take to go off. I suggest we pick a scummy person, by voting, and then have that scummy person and RTB do a rally, i.e. throw it to each other.

We need to calculate the throws so that RBT gets the potato exactly when it's about to explode. If it doesn't explode her, she throws to scummy person, who dies. 0 risk to town either way.

So, TDC has it and there are 11 throws remaining. Throw to RBT, 10, to scummy person, 9, back to RBT, 8, back to scummy person, 7, back to RBT, 6, S-person, 5,RBT, 4, Sp, 3, Rbt, 2, scummy person, one throw remaining- throw at Riceballtail, if it doesn’t explode, she throws it back.

I think that’s right, someone double-check.

The main problem is that both RTB and the scummy person have to cooperate. Since we know the trigger for the yellow, we have the power to force at least one of them.

As for lynch or lose, it’s possible. If the Yam’s a dud, that’s still two killing potatoes. If both those potatoes hit town and there’s more than two scum left, town loses.

I’d suggest Skitzer for the scummy person, as he hasn’t done much of anything and I find low content posters scummy.

6 throws till the russet blows. Give or take a few tosses.

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You're right, I'm overcomplicating things.

I'd forgotten that since we know the trigger, there's no risk to anyone until the last throw.

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I included that throw in my count. I just think it will count; that makes the most sense to me.

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Pass Potato back to TDC

9 left.

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Attach Potato to the leg of a carrier pigeon and release it, watching as it flaps it's way to the house of TDC

7 left.

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Swat the missile with a tennis racket, sending it (and the yellow potato) hurtling back towards TDC

5 remaining.

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Attach 99 helium balloons to the potato with edible glue, turn on the electric fan and watch the potato float slowly over to TDC's hands

3...

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Jump in the pool, creating a giant wave which sends ship and potato splashing back against TDC's feet.

One throw left- to Ricetailball!

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Unbelievable.

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We already know the trigger for the yellow potato, it went off when it was meant to, so I don't think the yam was involved.

Although every time we've had a Yam, it's blown up with another potato...

Probably coincedence tho.

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I've suspected skitzer for a little while (I think I mentioned it yesterday ) mainly because he fits the portrait of scum keeping a low profile. I pretty much agree with what you've said about him; he hasn't attempted much analysis or done scumhunting. Of the people left, I'd say he's our best choice.

As for you, q21, I'm 95% sure you're town, because you've been involved in the discussion and active in the game, and I can't see an information role like yours being given to scum. I can't believe you made it up either, because you've been right about the triggers. So I'm happy to be involved in the plan. If you don't think baking it will help, then I won't.

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I am with you, although it confuses me a little that you're supporting q21 when he's accused you of being scum with skitzer.

I also think it's important that everyone gives their opinion on everyone else, since we might be in lynch or lose.

I think Korts looks fairly protown. DGB- what's the main difference between your scum play and town play? You seem to joke around in every game and I find you hard to read for that reason.

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Okay. I trust q21 in return.

Giftwrap Russet and have it delivered by reindeer to q21

4 left...I think.

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Not a fan of giftwrap, eh?

Roll potato over to q21

2 left, we hope.

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Hooray.

Smack Skitzer upside the head with the Russet potato, in the hopes that it will blow him from here to kingdom come

0 throws...

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Muahahahahahaha!

That's a great finish. High five, team!

Scumtalk is here.

This game was great fun. I would have liked slightly shorted triggers on the potatos but apart from that, the setup was very clever. What did my baking do? I still have no idea.

I think the main reason the town lost was the complete lack of scumhunting. I thought of bringing it up at one point but then I was like 'nah, let them do what they like.' That and trying to outguess the mod led to your doom.

Thanks for hosting PJ/Yos.

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Yeah, we nearly nightkilled you.

But really, lying as protown is a terrible plan and you should be ashamed. The town spent the best part of two days trying to test your claim when you could have been scumhunting and it gave me an easy excuse to help kill a townie.

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Ah see, you nearly had a plan there, you just forgot to follow through. You'll notice DGB said your claim was unlikely and I took it at face value, but you never called either of us on it.

Better luck next time.