Btw, fyi, I use the word 'also' a lot in my posts.
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I'd guess SP is town. Battlemage probably as well. At least that's the feeling their actions up to now give me. I don't see the case on Wall-E, doesn't seem to me that he actually posted content.
On the other hand, the scum is most likely among those lying low, so he could be one.
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We need wagons, but I dislike voting someone just because everyone does, so I'll vote who's I think is scummiest:
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Well, if he sees who people talk to I don't think it's a standard tracker? Don't they usually see who someone targets with their nightaction?
Anyway, I just wanted him to claim, so back to the scummiest. His weak defenses have not helped his case.
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@Wall-E: don't tell us now who you'll target (and don't target BM today). If your target knows you're coming and is scum, he'll just lay low for a night and we'll never be able to confirm you.Can't bake an omelette without killing a few people.-
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@BM: I wouldn't say he was made to claim for no reason. He softclaimed all by himself, nobody outed him. I agree it was silly and probably a bad idea, but the idea of claiming in the first place was all his own.
And I happen to think M4yhem is a lot scummier than Donkey or Cerebus, so I'm voting him. Contributing doesn't make someone immune to lynch - not that M4yhem has contributed much of anything to the scumhunt. Maybe a convincing defense (or a case on someone else) could change my mind; you pointing at two others certainly won't.Can't bake an omelette without killing a few people.-
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@BM: I reread Donkey and Ceberus and your cases on them.
I get a null-read on Donkey, certainly not enough to lynch him with a much scummier M4yhem right here.
I actually think Ceberus is town and you're tunnelvisioning on him for some reason. From rereading his posts, he seems helpful and pro-town. In the fight between the two of you, sad to say, you come off as the scummier player. Although your behaviour is more consistent with aggresive townie. I currently see no need for FoSes - let alone votes - among the three of you.Can't bake an omelette without killing a few people.-
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Maybe he agreed with him? Maybe they're both scum? Who knows - I need more on Donkey before I can judge. Lynching M4yhem might also help with answering that question, don't you think?
Look, I'm not arguing that Donkey is town, he just hasn't posted enough for me to get a read on him. If that continues to be the case, he'll definitely rise on my scum-list. I much dislike lurkers.
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I'm willing to lynch him for lurking if he does it consistently. Meaning, not today, perhaps not tomorrow either. But if someone keeps lurking for days on end, I count it as scummy behaviour. For the rest:
- I don't call one scummy phrase a case,
- I see several scummy things in M4yhems posts (not even counting 'the phrase'),
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Excuse me? I bandwagoned twice: first because I agreed with the quicklynch plan. Second to make Wall-E claim. I don't call that 'much less'. Less evidence, surely, but much bigger reasons.Battle Mage wrote:
Neither did i. But lets face it, you've bandwagonned on much less.Cass wrote:I'm willing to lynch him for lurking if he does it consistently. Meaning, not today, perhaps not tomorrow either. But if someone keeps lurking for days on end, I count it as scummy behaviour. For the rest:
- I don't call one scummy phrase a case,
*sigh* That is not at all what I'm saying. I will keep voting who I think is scummiest. And so should you. As soon as something happens that convinces me Donkey (or whoever) is scum, I'll vote them instead - and consistent lurking is only one of many things that could convince me. Can we stop this pointless discussion now?Cass wrote:- I see several scummy things in M4yhems posts (not even counting 'the phrase'),
- so I'm afraid we'll just have to disagree on this one.
I guess i'll just wait a few days and come back when half the town is dead then?
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@BM: Clearly you're not even reading my posts. You also seem to have a problem with people not sharing your opinions. I'm sorry, but I can't help you with that.
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It is shamelessly hypocritical to vote for someone after you have already voted for someone else (for entirely different reasons I might add)? That would make playing this game pretty tough. It also implicatesM4yhem wrote:This bandwagon is baseless. My behavior has been reckless maybe but not at all indicative of scum. You'd be better served by looking at the people voting for me, some of which also voted for Panda and Wall-E beside me and are therefore shameless hypocrites.allof the active players (Btw, bandwagoning is not at all my reason for voting you. It is the way you jump on and off and the way you fail to defend your actions.)
M4yhem, you sound more and more desperate.
BM, try tunneling on M4yhem for a bit, might be more interesting. You can go back to Ceberus or Donkey tomorrow, as long as you stop f**king around with joke-claims or whatever that was supposed to be.Can't bake an omelette without killing a few people.-
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Exactly what I did? I think I have been pretty clear on my reasons for being on each of the wagons. What is it you still fail to understand about my voting pattern? Because I'd be glad to explain. Again.
To me, Cerebus' reason to switch off Panda to Wall-E seems legitimate enough, even if I do not agree with it - it does make sense to lynch an inactive with the quicklynch idea -, and his responses to you are not particularly scummy. I couldn't say about Donkey, as I said he might be scum. For both players I'd need more evidence before I'd vote them.Can't bake an omelette without killing a few people.-
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I think Donkey is pretty scummy. I did kind of like Spyrex'case on him, but what makes me most suspicious is his quick vote on Porkens today, with very little justification. He also has not done anything yet to help town.
I think Coheed is just lazy and acting stupid (a null-tell, ftr). I think Porkens might well be scum.
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I dislike the way Wall-E plays today. The insults, but mainly the contrast with his play last day (confused newbie). I can only conclude that he votes BM because he tracked him last night (as he said he would) and BM went somewhere (while claiming he went nowhere).
Wall-E, if this is true you should tell us, or there's no way we're going to vote BM with you.Can't bake an omelette without killing a few people.-
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'seeing who someone targeted' isnotthe same thing as seeing who they talked to. All the scum talk to eachother (or are allowed to) all the time, in this particular game (in normal games only druing the night).
A tracker does the first thing, if you do the second thing I'd think you would have a different role name. All this + the whole thing with BM makes it very hard to believe you're not lying aboutsomething(though it is hard to tell about what...) I also find the interaction between you and BM quite scummy. But maybe you are trying to imply BM-town now that people have voiced doubt? Seems weird though, as you're also trying to clear him. Your actions simply make no sense!
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Why are people playing this game without reading it (Coheed) or reading the rules (Wall-E)?
@Wall-E - just in case you are not feigning your ignorance:
It is an abysmal idea to post your target in thread. It also means you are now no more confirmed than you were last day, and the same goes for BM. Because as soon as you name your target, and he is scum, he will retract any actions he sent in and ask his scumbuddy to send in the kill instead. Or if that's impossible, he might forgo the kill altogether - it is very valuable for scum to become confirmed townies!Can't bake an omelette without killing a few people.-
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I'm not convinced BM is Wall-E's partner, if Wall-E is scum. He could be. Another scenario is that Wall-E saw this theory and decided to feed it by throwing more suspicion on BM, hoping to get another townie lynched.
Considering that scum can talk all the time in this game, I think the second scenario is more likely. We'll first need proof of Wall-E's alignment, though.Can't bake an omelette without killing a few people.-
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@Wall-E: please paraphrase the result the mod sent you after you investigated BM.
@Porkens: a safe-claim is a false claim that the mod gives to the scum, so they have a decent chance to fool the town. I think it is usually done in theme games, where people have the names of characters/persons and claiming 'Sauron' or 'Lord Bane' would be badCan't bake an omelette without killing a few people.-
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Players who are completely MIA: Ace & Letsbefriends
Mod: Could you prod or replace them, please?
Players who should post a lot more (or at least more content): Coheed, Donkey, Empking, Septia.
Players who I'd like to hear from more: Grimmy, Lord Gurgi, Porkens, raider.Can't bake an omelette without killing a few people.-
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Anything really. What I noticed about you is that your posts are very short and most of them aren't really scum-hunting. It's not a big deal (yet) and sure, I agree on the Wall-E lynch for today.
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What? You were not sure what was going on, so what exactly led you to believe his claim? Also, didI admit I was not pushing for the Wall-E vote because I wasn't sure waht exactly was going on and since it was Day 2 only, I didn't feel it was necessary to take out a roled character.anyonethink it was "necessary to take out a roled character"?? (Scum don't need to answer that one...)
Anyway, looks like Wall-E was not feigning the obliviousness after all. It'd be nice if from now on everyone could read the rules and the thread first, before doing something stupid
So, does this mean the scum actually bought the claim? And the 'confirming' of BM? Or were the scum the people calling for quicklynch?
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Well, Wal-E wasn't making any sense, so voting him wasn't scummy. But those who tried to end the day quick could be scum. as soon as the scum have decided on a nightkill, they'll want to end the day, at least if there's a townie already on the chopping block.
I would have liked to get some more information out of Wall-E and BM before that day ended. Many of my questions were still unanswered, which I think this is the way scum likes the day to end.
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I'm pretty sure you can't send in choicesafterthe hammer, so that doesn't make a lot of sense. If sent in early, it might have been an conditional: lynch wall-e, if dead lynch BM. That makes sense if they sent it in early and never overrided it.Can't bake an omelette without killing a few people.-
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I find it telling how aggressive raider responds to being called a lurker.
I find it suspicious how Porkens tries to throw dirt on a whole lot of players at the same time. Distraction? Smoke-screen? and Porkens, being on both wagons just means that Spyrex and I are two of the most active players here. Not being on those wagons probably means lurking.
Coheed, Donkey and Septia also (still) look bad. Neither of them seems to be actually reading the game. Maybe they are... but their posts don't prove it.
But the lurker that gives me the worst vibe is farside. She stays under the radar much too much.
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My top three scummy right now are (in no particular order): Coheed, Donkey and Lord Gurgi. I lean town on Spyrex, Porkens and Cerebus, they seem to be honestly scum hunting. No strong opinions on the others.
And yes, everyone who mentioned this, I get on bandwagons. I have been quite open and honest about it to, always gidving my reasons. Which why what i did isn't the same as what M4yhem and other scummy people did. But I'll repeat for the hard of reading:
- I voted Panda because I agreed with the quicklynch plan.
- I voted M4yhem because he was the scummiest player I could see.
- I voted Wall-E because he made no sense.
Did I forget anyone? Oh yes, I'll not vote Coheed yet. He does seem scummy, but it could be lack of reading the game. I'd prefer a Donkey or Gurgi lynch today.
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Yes, Cerebus, I'd like some explanation... I think Gurgi is scummy too, but you seem to think you've got proof there? Please explain?
Donkey: Your posts show that you do not read the game carefully, you vote based on 'I did not read this or that' -
a) this is harmful to town, even if you are town
b) if scum, you might use this to hide opportunistic votes.
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My win condition has no wolf pack in it, so while reading that I thought Spyrex washonest and Cerebus lying. But it seems there are two differently phrased town win conditions around. (That, or all the scum just outed themselves :p ) So, it actually confirms Cerebus as town, and Spyrex too.
I still have a bad feeling about Farside, too much lurking. But the Coheed lynch is good, I think. I reread all his posts (doesn't take long), and it really looks bad.
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I don't call you scum for your votes, it's the way you (don't) explain your votes.
"I agree with all the reasons" or "I believe (all) the claim(s)" hold no weight unless you explainwhyyou agree or believe. I could say the above anythime, no need to even read the game. So that's my point - nowhere in your posts do I seeevidencethat you are paying attention to the game.
For example: please give your opinion on the current controversy about the town win condition. Do you have a theory on why Battle Mage was NK'ed last night? What exactly convinced you last day that Wall-E should be lynched?
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Unconvincing. I reread Porkens and I don't see the scumminess. I definitely do not want to lynch him over Coheed. Keeping his vote on Wall-E is a very weak scumtell at best. For one, I doubted the claim itself from the beginning, with the vague way he explained it. I don't think I took my vote off him either - I certainly never dropped my suspicion.
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Farside, I haven't called any claim outright scummy. Wall-E made no sense with his "I don't know what my role does, lol, I can see whot people talk to, i think I'm a seer, no wait I'm a tracker, I see what people do and I think it's useless". That I could excuse as confused newbie. But then he insisted on calling out his targets during the day, making him absolutely useless as a tracker. And he refused to listened to all the explanantion of why that was such a horrid idea. On top of that, he indeed tracked BM, confirming nothing and nobody and acted like a lunatic all day. There is a limit to what can be forgiven as clumsiness...
Note in all that, I never called the claim itself scummy.
As for Coheed, his claim isn't very scummy, but it doesn't save him either. If he made a convincing case on someone, maybe. But as I said, the claim isn't impressive.Can't bake an omelette without killing a few people.-
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Farside, claims mean lots to me. We just haven't had any convincing ones this game. A black wolf? That could throw a new light on the village/wolf pack debate. Don't think so, to be honest, but I thought i should mention it. Also, this means either the enemy isn't humans, or there's more than one enemy. Troubling.
My main suspects now are Farside and Lord Gurgi. I think Farside was bussing last day. While also throwing dirt on me and Porkens (I'm convinced Pork isn't Coheed's buddy after that display). Yet she votes Donkey now.
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Well joy.
I'm indeed a cub aka mason. An unhappy cub now this game is so confusing. I don't know why I wouldn't know who my own mommy is and my bestest friend is also dead
But seriously: there aren't 'a lot of power roles' really. Two she-wolves (if it's true) and a princess actually nerf the town. Also a human-sniffer when there are wolfish enemies. I would hope the scum isn't powred on to of all that...Can't bake an omelette without killing a few people.-
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My flavor btw is that we are small and therefore the parents don't pay much attention to us and we can sneak off to talk. Not that Grimmy talked much (Reread my posts from yesterday and you see me hinting at that not too subtly.)
I do think there's two scumgroups tbh. There seem to be some (one-shot) BP's around (or have been), and maybe they can't cross-kill or something. The one kill per night could just be coincidence.Can't bake an omelette without killing a few people.-
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Ok, after all of that confusion and chaos, my shot in the dark is that Septia, Cerebus and farside look worst. Not at all sure of that, just guessing. However, before all the claiming I was really starting to think Spyrex and Gurgi were scum, together. And with both of them with the dubious and unpleasant (for me ) she-wolf claim, I am not ready to dismiss that possibility yet. So much wifom in considering their lynch alone...Can't bake an omelette without killing a few people.-
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Oh, I had quite forgotten about the vote... there was no risk of a lynch anyway. Still, until we get some conclusions:
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My PM did not confirm him, but the mod did in our quicktopic thread. So yes, we were confirmed town to eachother.
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Thanks farside, that princess didn't sit right with me, but you just put the finger on why. It plain doesn't fit in with how this game works and I can't see the mod putting it in. (Unless it works radically different than usual?)
For a scum, though, it seems a nice and threatening claim.
- The alpha + protector could be a scum team, but I don't think so.
- The two she-wolves could be a scum team. Their claims are so not helpful for town.Can't bake an omelette without killing a few people.-
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Mkay. This set-up is strange. I think I believe Donkey and Porkens right now. Really unsure about the rest.
Farsideclaims wolf vs. human cop.
N1, Cerebus, not human. N2, no one. N3, Gurgi, not human.
Donkey, didn't get the point of claiming. Sorta claims Alpha, eventually. Tracker, un NK-able.
N2, watched Cerebus, saw nothing. N3 rolecop Cass mason.
Says Gurgi, Septia, Jebus are scum. Raider cleared, Cass cleared, Cerebus mostly cleared. Thinks Jebus is lying.
Jebus:attacks Gurgi from the moment he enters. Claims jack of all trades, no results. Attacks donkey now.
Raider:claims as quick as he can (or so it looked to me). looks scummy in general. Claims Alpha protector.
- Cerebus could still be a rival (black) werewolf.
- Jebus could be ascumjack of all trades (black wolf possibly)
@Donkey: do you think Spyrex is honest and Gurgi opportunistic lying scum? More important question: did youtrackorwatchCerebus? (You contradict yourself.)
@Jebus: what's a nexus?? Can you use more than one power per day/night?
@Raider: a repeat, but:howdo you find the alpha?Can't bake an omelette without killing a few people.-
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And for completeness and clearness' sake.
Cassclaims mason.
Spyrex&Gurgiclaim she-wolf. I don't know who my mommy is I'm a confused little cub
Porkens&Cerebusclaim vanilla.
Septiaclaims princess.
There could well be one or more liars in that group.Can't bake an omelette without killing a few people.-
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1) Killing medoes notconfirm Spyrex or Gurgi. I find it very suspicious that he suggested this. Nobody counterclaimed mason, so there's really no reason to doubt my claim.
2) About me/Grimmy being confirmed to eachother: my pm said (not litterally), 'the second child in town'. Now, this lefft some doubt, because he could have been a human child theoretically, with that wording. But the quicktopic thread said 'werewolf cubs' specifically. So he's a wolf and lives in town, so am I, good enough for me.
3) I will not cooperate in lynching the Alpha. Is donkey voting himself?? Unvote, you idiot. It's all scum on your wagon.
4) I don't like Spyrex' logic lately. God. Read his and Gurgi's posts this day! So very eager to lynch the Alpha, getting the win. They're not even trying to hide it anymore.
This is my guess. Well, I'm quite sure actually:
Scumgroup 1: Coheed, Gurgi & Spyrex. (Black wolves)
Human group: Jebus & Septia
I think our best bet is to lynch Jebus (he seems dangerous) and investigate Septia. Perhaps Donkey should roleblock one of Gurgi and Spyrex. Either way, any powers should be used on those three, to the discretion of the PR's.
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Ok, explain how two dead cubs wouldprovethat the two she-wolves are true??
How about this scenario: Spyrex + Gurgi (scum) see a dead cub (mason). Now, there tend to be two masons = two cubs. So, why not claim she-wolf? And pretend that the presence of the cubs proves it's true! I don't buy it. I'd think me and Grimmy would at least have known that we had mothers (who, apparantly, we needed to survive!).
Because look how eager they are to kill the Alpha and most important role in town!
Porkens and all the doubters: Donkey confirms me, I and Raider soft-confirm Donkey. While Donkey has claimed in a clumsy way, it sounds like honest confusion to me, not evil cunning. Raider also seems honest, his role makes more sense as the truth than as a lie. As far as I am concerned, all three of us (me, raider, donkey) are confirmed until something causes reasonable doubt. I have not seen that thing.
Spyrex and Gurgi are aggressively abusing Donkey's confusion tro get rid of the most dangerous wolf.
I think Jebus is ahumanhero, come to rid the world of werewolves. he might have a partner, they would be (one, I think) of Septia, Cerebus, Porkens and Farside.
Because look at what Spyrex wants us to do:
1) Lynch the Alpha, our biggest asset, in order to 'prove that raider is or isn't scum'. Think about the logic behind that for a while.
2) Tells the vig to shoot me, a confirmed townie, to 'prove he and Gurgi are for real'. Once again, my death doesn't prove that!!
Look at the end result of this plan, assuming they are scum. Far-fetched, huh? I don't think so!
(Let me predict: Donkey flips Alpha. I am NK-ed. S+G: "Oh my, raider must be town then. How sad he is now useless. Wait, that means Jebus was lying. Lynch him, quick! Luckily, the dead cub confirms us, how nice for town." Jebus flips human. Raider gets NK'ed. S+G: "Oh, great, we got scum!" They can also explain easily why they don't get NK'ed - they're basically vanillas!)Can't bake an omelette without killing a few people.-
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@farside: you are grouped with town for now. You could be a human, but I find that an unlikely option.
Where did I mention two mason groups??
I didn't say Donkey confirms raider, I don't want donkey to flipanything. We shouldn't lynch him! I just said that's what the scum will say - because with Donkey dead, they have no need to kill raider anymore.
What's so incredibly convincing about the roles i don't buy, as compared to those I do?
What's so very improbably about my scenario?
And most importantly: I am a confirmed mason! Wth would I want a townie out? (Or explain how I'm not confirmed...)Can't bake an omelette without killing a few people.-
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