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Ok cool so this is not in discussion right?
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Nancy, it's an overall thing, you've used the term not only in this case. And I don't think Alch was being mean spirited trying to trigger you, so he didn't deserve it. And don't get me started on the word "deserve" lol just avoid using that term please.In post 3634, Past Present Future wrote:
Well being accused of faking anything is triggering to me, so he deserved it for accusing me of “feigning“ confusion.In post 3631, Pink Ball wrote:Nancy, I think that pops' point was that should stop using the term WOAT no matter what your point is. It's triggering
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There aren't three vigs, Elsa was lying lol and why in the world, if you thought that there were three vigs, would you think that Alch is the scummy one instead of Elsa, who would've hypothetically killed SS???In post 3637, Dats Mist wrote:
I don’t think there are three vigs, and my scumread on Alch isn’t really a secretIn post 3633, Pink Ball wrote:@Mist why do you think that you being a vig makes Alch not a vig? Also, since you had to look for a bullet... Is your role inherently a vig, or do you have a gun that could be scavenged later? If that's the case, I think Alch's claim still makes sense.
And as for your second question, I would rather not answer that
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That has nothing to do with my point, or does it? What's your point?In post 3636, Past Present Future wrote:
But he vigged Mastina who just happened to have him as 2nd in her PoE after Pops/FL. I can’t help but find that suspicious.In post 3633, Pink Ball wrote:@Mist why do you think that you being a vig makes Alch not a vig? Also, since you had to look for a bullet... Is your role inherently a vig, or do you have a gun that could be scavenged later? If that's the case, I think Alch's claim still makes sense.
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By "you thought there were three vigs" I meant that "if you thought both Elsa and Alch have made kills"In post 3639, Pink Ball wrote:
There aren't three vigs, Elsa was lying lol and why in the world, if you thought that there were three vigs, would you think that Alch is the scummy one instead of Elsa, who would've hypothetically killed SS???In post 3637, Dats Mist wrote:
I don’t think there are three vigs, and my scumread on Alch isn’t really a secretIn post 3633, Pink Ball wrote:@Mist why do you think that you being a vig makes Alch not a vig? Also, since you had to look for a bullet... Is your role inherently a vig, or do you have a gun that could be scavenged later? If that's the case, I think Alch's claim still makes sense.
And as for your second question, I would rather not answer that
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I'd rather lynch scum, that's my point. And I don't think you're right about that meta on Alch at all.In post 3642, Past Present Future wrote:
Well, wouldn’t you much rather lynch that > over another townie? We don’t want a 3rd mislynch in a row and I’ve had a strong gut sr on him since the beginning and he doesn’t tunnel like this when he’s town. He 100% re-evaluates. I also think he knows our role could be possibly helpful to town, so scum!him definitely has good reason to want us dead. I really don’t want us waiting once again and probably mislynching DEB or some other lhf.In post 3635, Pink Ball wrote:Alch not dying could mean he's a 1 shot BP SK or some kind of iteration of that, but still not scum
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I thought about that possibility, but in this game that shooting requires ammo, it makes more sense that the scumteam doesn't need to reload to make the factional kill. Unless your suggestion is that the pew pew gun Alch has doesn't need to reload, which I think he claimed at some point it does.
That's why I asked Dats Mist about being inherently a vig or not, but I accept his not answer to that question.-
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I don't believe his read on you is town indicative, I haven't said that at all. The only thing I've said so far is that you shouldn't be using the term WOAT, no matter if you think someone is playing like that. What I said about Alch is that you said him tunneling here indicates he's not town, and I think you're wrong about that as a fact, not as an opinion. I do think weird that Alch doesn't think you're town, I give you that.In post 3650, Past Present Future wrote:
And once again, you’ve failed to address my point: if I honestly think someone is playing like a woat - unless they’re some inexperienced newbie as was the case in FF - greater than odds chance I’ve caught scum. Read CoaLITion, if you seriously believe his terrible read on me is town indicative. It will be pretty damn obvious once you do, to exactly what I’m talking about and why I haven’t been able to tr that slot until I believed his was mech confirmed, because that was the ONLY reason I was tr him - certainly not by play and he was never even on me att.In post 3648, Past Present Future wrote:
I love and respect you far too much to make promises I can’t guarantee. Sorry.In post 3645, Pink Ball wrote:Nancy you're missing my point: stop using the term WOAT, that's all, I'm not trying to say anything else. It will cause you trouble and put you in bad spots if you keep using it.
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Also I'm not criticizing your read on him, I get where you're coming from. I'm not trying to convince you to townread him.
And something off the record: calling WOAT so loosely breaks the point of the term 'cause there can't be more than one WOAT; you should choose one WOAT and stick to it-
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I don't see the reasoning behind scum killing mastina. She was a non entity in this game; even if her reads were right, she wasn't getting no one lynched the way she was playing. You could argue that it was the scumteam avoiding a future problem 'cause if mastina actually caught up it could've been difficult to deal with her, but why would the scumteam kill a future problem instead of an inmediate problem, such as a claimed cop?
And about Alch not dying, we'll see. I don't really want to address that. There has been too many claims for my liking.-
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No, not shooting you, voting you. Mist came into the thread saying they're a vig and it makes no sense there are three vigs, so they still believed your claim at that point, and thought that Alch was the suspicious one. If I came to thread thinking "there's no way there are three vigs" and see that SS was killed by the flavor you claimed, I would've voted you.-
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Yes, this is what I'm looking for. I think pops suggested the same or at least talked about an SK having to townside for their own sake.In post 3668, Past Present Future wrote: If Alch is indeed an SK, like Nancy fears, his goal is to shoot scum anyway. If he does, scum will strongman him if they have one. We leash them both. Problem solved. We also get a higher KPN than the scumteam.
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Oh boy this is going to get wild
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This aged surprisingly fast
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Alch killed mastina and SS was killed by the same flavor that Elsa claimed on D2, but Elsa said she fakeclaimed and it makes because 1. SS' clear was Elsa, and 2. It's Elsa lol.In post 3709, PenguinPower wrote:Can someone summarize the three vig thing for me? Elsa was lying? gf
Then Dats Mist came into the day claiming vigging Alch and voting him 'cause he doesn't believe there are three vigs, not knowing beforehand that Elsa already unclaimed.
Nancy believes Alch is scum because of killing mastina and surviving the shot. Titus thinks it's more likely that he's a SK so we should focus on catching scum because a SK would have to townside at this point if he wants to win, so there was some disonance in thread but I think they've solved it.-
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I have thought about the SK situation during the day and I'm a little worried about the idea of leashing a 3P, tho. Why would a SK agree with town terms if they'll inevitably lose? In DnD we won by lynching Miss Lynch at the end who defended herself saying that she townsided the whole game, but 3Ps have their own win condition. Why would a "caught" SK negotiate with town if they're already caught?
That being said, I don't think Alch is a caught SK. I'm still not convinced that he's not town. Even without the crumb I thought he did at the begining of the game, or the fucking idiotic fakeclaim by TSE, how his wagon was built on D1, as a counterwagon to alimdia's wagon, makes me believe that he doesn't have a team behind him that would have not let that happen, and that we were right on alimdia from the begining.
This still doesn't exclude the SK alternative, BUT if I were in Alch's situation, I think I would've claimed something different rather than a vig and refrain from shooting for a while in case there's a tracker, but if you're a SK and claim vig, you're constrained to kill every night and people will judge for them. That's not a 3P mindset, that's not good for your wincon.-
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Are you kid... Whatever.In post 3768, Past Present Future wrote:
When have I been talking about Titus?In post 3766, Pink Ball wrote:I miss engageable players pops are you there? Nancy, wanna talk about anything EXCEPT Alch and Titus?
And where the fuck is Dann. Bring your sweet ass back here.
Ask me something.
Let's say Alch is scum. Like, confscum, flipped scum. We're on D4 after lynchinch scum!Alch, that kind of stuff. Who are the partners? Which player makes more sense in that matter?-
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I liked both his post saying that he felt left out when everyone was talking about their meta reads which seemed genuine, and his take on Hectic. At first I thought they could be partners due to the PoE I'm building, but I don't think that's an option right now because of how Clover has pushed Hectic during the game.In post 3770, popsofctown wrote:PPF has a fifth of the posts in a 19p and it kind of feels like a skewed gamestate.
I am here Pink Ball.
I want to hear what you think about Clover Ebi.
I think he's a spicy talking point-
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Could you explain what did you understand from my post? I don't really get what you're asking me here.In post 3781, popsofctown wrote:
His last post about Hectic was negative. You think he's bussing? If he temporarily was pro-Hectic but hasn't sustained it that doesn't really help with my feeling that he seems like a slot making tokenish and expected slots on the gamestate without ever showing even a little interest in acting like a sheepdog.In post 3778, Pink Ball wrote:
I liked both his post saying that he felt left out when everyone was talking about their meta reads which seemed genuine, and his take on Hectic. At first I thought they could be partners due to the PoE I'm building, but I don't think that's an option right now because of how Clover has pushed Hectic during the game.In post 3770, popsofctown wrote:PPF has a fifth of the posts in a 19p and it kind of feels like a skewed gamestate.
I am here Pink Ball.
I want to hear what you think about Clover Ebi.
I think he's a spicy talking point-
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In post 3782, PenguinPower wrote:
Could you point this out for me?In post 3778, Pink Ball wrote:Clover has pushed Hectic during the game.
This is the cherry on top of Clover's read on chk/Hectic - it's a read that developed since the begining of the game when FL started pushing chk. Everyone thought chk was townie because of his vt claim at the very begining, so townreading him was a popular matter at that time. Clover, instead, wasn't convinced by that and thought that it was strange that everyone townread him that easily. He commented this a couple of times, and by D2 decided to place his vote on Hectic, saying later (when analyzing DEB's wagon) that Hectic has little to no contribution in the game.In post 2618, Clover Ebi wrote:VOTE: Hectic
I think this is a decent place to go. Still townreading DEB so I don't feel comfortable on that wagon.
I think it's a well developed read on a slot that has gone unnoticed since D1. I want more content from both those slots, but at least Clover is taking stances even if he doesn't post a lot.-
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In post 3791, Past Present Future wrote:
Examples?In post 3788, Pink Ball wrote:I don't mind it either except when it gets repetitive or when it starts to be just plain aggresive-
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Also with this kind of answers you're just destroying the bridges I'm trying to build. If you have no idea who Alch's partners could be, then we don't have consensus, 'cause at least we could lynch someone you thought is likely to be Alch's partner and someone Titus and/or Auro agree that have enough scum equity even without the preconception of Alch being scum.In post 3779, Past Present Future wrote: I have no idea but I definitely don’t think Alim and Alch are ever SvS and his posts today, make me lean town anyway.
You know what I don't know why I'm trying to make you guys work with each other, that's your job lol fuck hydras-
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Yeah and PowerPuff Girls was a blast, but it's the hydra's job to act like they are one player, not mine so I don't know why I'm trying. If you guys won't agree with each other while being the loudest slot in the game, I don't know...In post 3804, Past Present Future wrote:
I am only one person in that hydra. Things worked out okay last time with Titus and I worked exceptionally well with eth0s in RS2. \_0_/In post 3800, Pink Ball wrote:
Also with this kind of answers you're just destroying the bridges I'm trying to build. If you have no idea who Alch's partners could be, then we don't have consensus, 'cause at least we could lynch someone you thought is likely to be Alch's partner and someone Titus and/or Auro agree that have enough scum equity even without the preconception of Alch being scum.In post 3779, Past Present Future wrote: I have no idea but I definitely don’t think Alim and Alch are ever SvS and his posts today, make me lean town anyway.
You know what I don't know why I'm trying to make you guys work with each other, that'syourjob lol fuck hydras-
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Oh I had FL on mute at that point of the game that's why I didn't remember that.In post 3807, PenguinPower wrote:
Yes, I did.In post 3805, Pink Ball wrote:@PP I don't recall both the softdefense and why vote me over chk part. Are you reading his ISO? Seems like a very specific read of the situation
In post 446, Clover Ebi wrote:Personally, I don't really find anything chk has done that telling yet. I would say your confidence on chk being scum is odd although that seems more like a playstyle thing more than anything so perhaps I'm being nitpicky. Remind me what the glaring reasons for him being scum is? Quotes are fine if you've said it already.In post 452, Clover Ebi wrote:I don't understand how you got the impression I was defending chk when I was saying commenting on part of his content was a waste of time. Although what's more confusing is the fact your vote is on me over Chk.
pedit: What blanket fabricated reasons are you referring too?
FL was hard pushing chk and Clover had chk on null so he asked what anyone who doesn't know FL would ask: "where's that confidence coming from?". I think it's valid, but yes, that does change how Clover's progression on chk's slot looks like.-
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That's fucking rad dude.In post 3817, Dannflor wrote:
on vacation in AntarticaIn post 3766, Pink Ball wrote:I miss engageable players pops are you there? Nancy, wanna talk about anything EXCEPT Alch and Titus?
And where the fuck is Dann. Bring your sweet ass back here.
I am returned. Insanely tired and gonna take my time reading up, hopefully can offer something tonight but no promises. Tomorrow for sure.
I'll leave my questions for later in that case-
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I mean yeah, scum!DEB implies scum!Clover more than the other way around, but it's still valid.In post 3825, Past Present Future wrote:
Wrong order. If DEB is scum, Clover would, in theory be suspect for his defense.In post 3815, Pink Ball wrote:Clover has defended DEB a lot. His D2 stance was mainly discrediting everyone on DEB's wagon and pushed SS as it was the main counterwagon.
If I scumread Clover, I would be pretty sure that DEB is scum too.
I find it more likely scum were the people who jumped off DEB after that horrible claim, regardless of DEB alignment.
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Oh no no. What I meant with "first" was that I looked at my PoE and both Clover and Hectic were at the bottom, but then I thought "hmm I don't think those two make sense together because of how Clover has been pushing Hectic", and decided that Clover looked better than Hectic in that matter 'cause I agreed with Clover's take on how Hectic has played.In post 3828, popsofctown wrote: You said you really liked the way Clover pushed Hectic but it also made you think they could be partners??-
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