Titus v. Alisae (endgame)

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I can't read Hectic so someone fill me in.

The only game I played with him was when I was on my alt for Undertale and I just really wanted to lynch him for the weird things he did as town.

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FUCK YOU

who is this even directed at

The person who’s been able to read their mind in opposition of them all game, the one, the only leaf that brings the beef.

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i appreciate it lol but saying "he's mason" isn't gonna change anyone's minds i don't think

giving reasons/showing posts would be helpful

reasons don't help with boon

have you read his posts or played with him

you either shut him down full stop or you don't

making productive arguments just makes him stomp his feet and shout louder

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i've never been on the receiving end and it is i guess not so surprisingly frustrating
the annoying thing is that he's convinced half the town

I listen to reason, so this is actually pretty false. I actually work with others quite well, and encourage working together as a town. I just don’t acknowledge it when people try to full stop me.

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i've never been on the receiving end and it is i guess not so surprisingly frustrating
the annoying thing is that he's convinced half the town

well town lacks direction because Titus has been MIA

we probably should have just pushed through one out of AF/Cerb a while ago and moved on with the day before town got bored and started forgetting their reads

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This is a discredit attempt on the town. Titus isn’t the only townie in this game, she’s just IC tree stump.

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Yeah 1596 spews Hectic town, good reminder

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How so?

It seems like Bitmap chose to make hard stances on townies rather than the other way around. What part of this is townie for you with that in mind?

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this is a crumb which no one will see until i point it out later
i am a mason with Sherlock but not Watson

This is town af

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They’ve been scum buddying for a while now. Krazy has to make this last ditch effort, though.

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we're in the moment though
imagine catching up to this

@Titus: WHY ARE YOU STILL TALKING ABOUT MASONS????????

Titus stop.

over reaction
she was explaining how drafting works without listing any names
please enter the FoS (Field of Suspects)

Spoiler: enjoy

What up

town

Anything important happen in these last 18 pages, because that'll effect how closely I read it.

pretty town

Anything important happen in these last 18 pages, because that'll effect how closely I read it.

We have 3+ ascetics. So, at least skim.

Claim whether you're ascetic as well please.

I am not ascetic

kinda town

Anything important happen in these last 18 pages, because that'll effect how closely I read it.

We have 3+ ascetics. So, at least skim.

Claim whether you're ascetic as well please.

K so going back to this, I trust Pine's claim which, if true, likely means one of the other two ascetic claims is scum.

town

It would not surprise me at all if at least one of the people shitposting with Ali is scum. It's making the game a chore to read but I guess I shouldn't be surprised either.

PEDIT: Is that a serious question TSE?

extremely town

It would not surprise me at all if at least one of the people shitposting with Ali is scum. It's making the game a chore to read but I guess I shouldn't be surprised either.

PEDIT: Is that a serious question TSE?

I tend to not read long walls of posts.

Ok but it's been a pretty big talking point in this game so far so I don't know how that's relevant?

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Ascetic

very town

@TSE: I don't understand your vote on FL.

He spun a wheel... apparently

town

So you don’t know my role? Actually?

Unless you're a mason, no.

Oh fuck, my role fits me so well.

Oh shit I didn't know there was a jester in this game?

town

Could be literally being coached through every post. Which tbh I would believe Ali would set up. So you know what.

Vote: TSE

Are you saying that TSE is being coached? Because his posting says otherwise

kinda town

Alright lock the thread
no more scumhunting

You can't tell me what to do. I'll scumhunt as much as I please.

scum
thought he didn't want to encourage Ali shitposting

Could be literally being coached through every post. Which tbh I would believe Ali would set up. So you know what.

Vote: TSE

Are you saying that TSE is being coached? Because his posting says otherwise

You saying that you really believe that Ali wouldn't pick a shitposter then coach a shitposter on how to most effectively shitpost?

Because I 100% believe Ali is capable of that.

I don't think TSE needs coaching on how to shitpost but fair point

townish

Anything important happen in these last 18 pages, because that'll effect how closely I read it.

We have 3+ ascetics. So, at least skim.

Claim whether you're ascetic as well please.

K so going back to this, I trust Pine's claim which, if true, likely means one of the other two ascetic claims is scum.

Uh, he's not claiming ascetic though, and this is worded like you believe he is claiming ascetic - he's claiming ascetic enabler. If you're not paying close attention to his claim, how can you say you believe it?

I know what he claimed. My wording was off, as it usually is, but basically my thought was that if he's a town ascetic enabler, then one of Amrun/RR (the ascetic claims) is likely scum.

I should probably put my vote somewhere huh

VOTE: RR

scum
bad vote

Can someone Tl;dr the game for me.

Amrun and RR both claimed ascetic, Pine claimed ascetic enabler, and bunch of people are shitposting.

That's about it

town

I would like more votes on Sherlock and Watson

Idk how many there are currently but I still want more

Sure, I don't like their lack of content and mason fishing.

VOTE: Sherlock and Watson

Where were they mason fishing? I skimmed a lot and probably missed some posts.

Most people haven't had a lot of useful content to be fair.

towny

AF's argument has poor reasoning.

Most of my arguments do to be fair

The reason I think this is because ascetic is a helpful utility for scum and Pine also implied that he's some kind of PR in addition to being an ascetic enabler. I'm just setup speccing here, but that would give scum an interesting dilemma to deal with if that ever comes out and one of them was ascetic.

Scum could withhold their ascetic claim, but then they're likely to get caught in the lie whereas claiming it right away might give them townpoints.

towning

Is there a list of who has claimed ascetic/not ascetic yet? If not I'll compile one in a bit

townary

VOTE: aaronfrost

Using mech reasons to vote this early is kinda dodgy

I don't have solid enough reads to vote based off of non-mechanical reasons. I don't trust my D1 reads anyways.

AI in towniness

Ah yes, D1 set up spec off of nothing
loving it!

I wouldn't call it nothing considering there's been lots of discussion around the ascetic claims. But you're scum so of course you have to discredit my arguments

scum

Pine - Ascetic Enabler
Amrun - Ascetic
RR - Ascetic
Chemist - not ascetic
oka - not ascetic
bitmap - not ascetic
ank - not ascetic
hectic motherfucking hectic - not ascetic
spiff - not ascetic
espeonage - not ascetic
sherlock - not ascetic
maki - not ascetic
AF - not ascetic
FA - has not claimed
gobbles - has not claimed
Fl - has not claimed
TSE - has not claimed

If I missed any or got anything wrong let me know and I'll fix it

town AFF

Also looks pretty town

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Krazy said this when Hectic was making his AF town case, which is funny that Krazy’s saying he wish AF just went through

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Oh yeah and Ank runs away whenever I try to talk to her so that's fun too

GG wanted AF until you skewed her read on Hectic which is probably going to turn this dayphase into an unreadable mess and useless for us tomorrow

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Exactly like the last time I made a big lynch push right? When I got Maki lynched.

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Also, Krazy is acting like the thread becoming a mess is a bad thing, but you can tell from the way he’s posting that it’s exactly what he wants because it muddies the waters with ScumHectic casing.

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How so?

It seems like Bitmap chose to make hard stances on townies rather than the other way around. What part of this is townie for you with that in mind?

bitmap hard defended M&K so this is the opposite of reality

-S

Exactly, so he wouldn’t have done it again like that. Thanks for town clearing me. That’s what I was actually looking for with this.

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Like if hectic is scum I do need to know it but I am not seeing it from the issues you pointed to right now, I see a lot of town thought process there, or at the very least a compelling emulation of town thought processes

the aaron towncase was a meme but it also felt really good to me because I felt like

we were seeing a lot of the same things in aaron.

I think it would be surprising for scum to be mind-melding with me about the same posts in at the same time for a lot of the same reasons

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Neat post.

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Also, Krazy is acting like the thread becoming a mess is a bad thing, but you can tell from the way he’s posting that it’s exactly what he wants because it muddies the waters with ScumHectic casing.

maybe I'm just negging you to keep you going :3

-S

That’s essentially what I said, yes

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Like if hectic is scum I do need to know it but I am not seeing it from the issues you pointed to right now, I see a lot of town thought process there, or at the very least a compelling emulation of town thought processes

the aaron towncase was a meme but it also felt really good to me because I felt like

we were seeing a lot of the same things in aaron.

I think it would be surprising for scum to be mind-melding with me about the same posts in at the same time for a lot of the same reasons

-S

Neat post.

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UNVOTE:

Need to think about this more.

@Ank:

Are you sure it's not just Hectic's playstyle that's causing you think this way? I've never been able to read him since he's always doing weird gimmicky things.

Hot diggity damn damn dog, game fucking over.

Krazy, you brought up Maki being defended.

Diggity dang diggity dong.
This is a wrap people. Hang Hectic.

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If you start quoting your own posts I'm going to report you for spamming though

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I always quote my posts if they get lost on a page prior. That’s a scum tactic I use, I don’t let it go through. Report away for it, it won’t do anything

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For the record Hectic is in my scum pool for posting in a similar style to Ali with far too much trolling and non serious reads.

hectic is just weird like he's posting in a creature-esque fashion but im use to him being more of a firebringer-esque player

at first i think it was scum indicative but i dont know if its ai atp

at first i think it was scum indicative but i dont know if its ai atp

Hectic has very limited scum meta to judge off of, and what is there is old. Just FYI.


I’m trying to catch up just thought I’d drop this tidbit off as a gift.

People did seem to see ScumHectic or at least off things about a Hectic earlier. I like that, that’s consistency. There’s a reason for this. This all but disappeared shortly after, and I forgot it was even a thing.

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Am I the only one that likes Boon's recent posts?

Why do you like them?

I can't read Hectic so someone fill me in.

The only game I played with him was when I was on my alt for Undertale and I just really wanted to lynch him for the weird things he did as town.

As many games as I've played with Hectic (I've lost count as this point) I feel like I should be able to read him decently well, but I've never seen his scum play firsthand. Most of the gimmicky stuff is NAI for him.

Titus will you consider endorsing a flavor lynch

I don't like how overly confident you are in your Flavor read

Titus will you consider endorsing a flavor lynch

I don't like how overly confident you are in your Flavor read

Like if you really want him lynched then you need to make a really convincing case on why his WIFOM logic comes from scum.

I'm not saying that FL is definitively town, and I've already said that I don't know how to read him, but I'm not convinced it comes from scum either.

I like Watson better.

u wanna fite?

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ok

Am I the only one that likes Boon's recent posts?

Why do you like them?

They felt genuine and seemed like even though his approach (setup spec) was bad, his intentions didn't seem bad.

I like Watson better.

u wanna fite?

-S

ok

Am I the only one that likes Boon's recent posts?

Why do you like them?

They felt genuine and seemed like even though his approach (setup spec) was bad, his intentions didn't seem bad.

What useful intent did you find in those posts? Because I can certainly see plenty of scum intent in all the noise, but not a whole lot of reason to townread the slot for those specific posts.

-Cerb

This chain of posts has AaronFrost and RR being extremely genuine. They felt Bitmaps town read of me was off, which it was, he was making a smart pocket attempt, but it didn’t an out because I didn’t hard defend him. This also does not look SvS in the way they are talking and it really serves no purpose that way

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Oh yeah and Ank runs away whenever I try to talk to her so that's fun too

GG wanted AF until you skewed her read on Hectic which is probably going to turn this dayphase into an unreadable mess and useless for us tomorrow

-S

I will happily kill either AF or Hectic. Both I think have high likelihood to flip scum.

The more I think about it, the more Ank scum makes sense here. Ali want out if eir’s way to nominate Ank for Paragon this year. I’m not sure Ali leaves Ank alive this long if Ank is town, knowing/holding Ank!town in such high regard.

Hard townie mindset. It makes sense because AF is the one scum wanted as the mislynch, or at least thought they had, Hectic is scum. The reason it didn’t go through on AF is because scum were trying to make town do it.

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AF is someone who I also expect to be able to “want to be able to trust me” if that makes sense, and I get a strong vibe that AF really wants me to be town, but is scared after seeing the ScumFL first hand and by his side, and then me catching him as scum thereafter.

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Hectic/Ank makes sense as a team. I thought it was weird Ank came in to say she correctly scumread Hectic when reality says otherwise.

Yeah, I do think if it isn’t Krazy then it’s Ank.

I expect Ank to get pushed tomorrow over Krazy and Krazy, if scum, will defend her still and try to move onto RR or Me.

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I think I just am strong gut and tone reading Ankamius, and her overdefensiveness seems like when I play around and poke at Nancy for fun.

Similar vibe I’m getting here with Ank, so I think she’s likely town, and surface level gamestate she’s being setup for an eventual mislynch, which is more confirmed if you see Krazy as scum.

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I'd almost rather unload Pine here. What do you think of unloading Pine GG?

The more I think about it the more I think Pine is lying about the Enabler part of his role. The part about his role I do know I think is useful for the town.

Hectic/Pine was also another option I was pushing earlier as a possibility.

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Boon is probably scum trying to push anything as a mislynch though, he gave up and then decided to try to salvage something from the wreckage by attacking the townblock

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How so?

I don’t bus Maki ever. That would have been a weird push by me.

Also, I’m not going for anything as a mislynch, I’m focused on Hectic. Idc about dealing with the partner right now, I’m just going over possibility.

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man these claims and things are really confusing so many variables

if only we had a way to clean it up a bit

We’ll mass claim tomorrow. One more day is worth it.

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I'd almost rather unload Pine here. What do you think of unloading Pine GG?

The more I think about it the more I think Pine is lying about the Enabler part of his role. The part about his role I do know I think is useful for the town.

Hectic/Pine was also another option I was pushing earlier as a possibility.

So did Hectic

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Didn’t mean to quote, that was on the nitpicky

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Also, I’m not going for anything as a mislynch, I’m focused on Hectic. Idc about dealing with the partner right now, I’m just going over possibility.

who have you townread for more than 30 seconds at a time again?

-S

Gobbledygook, OkaPoka, Espeonage

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VOTE: AaronFrost

good night

This does look really bad however.

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that's how you know I'm town

Oh, I’m not saying it’s scum, it’s just bad.

Because Hectic scumflip clears AF.

There is 0 mechanical reasons for going AF over Hectic, and there are 0 day play reasons for going AF over Hectic.

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all I really want is to get to night phase

Then vote a Hectic...

You were just bragging about having the right read earlier.

You were right.

This game day will last so much longer with an AF wagon

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that's how you know I'm town

Oh, I’m not saying it’s scum, it’s just bad.

Because Hectic scumflip clears AF.

There is 0 mechanical reasons for going AF over Hectic, and there are 0 day play reasons for going AF over Hectic.

you've given me no reason to care about anything that you're saying

K, then leave, and I will have absolutely zero remorse for mislynching.

I’ve given so much fucking analysis on why AF is just plain town and far worse lynch than Hectic, that it doesn’t matter to me if you guys are just being bad or scum, I’m going to steamroll right over you then if it straight up doesn’t matter what I do.

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@Titus - One of the Krazy/Ankamius slots are scum, the other is playing devil’s advocate because they don’t want me to be scum and win.

Please please please endorse Hectic over AF.

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I feel like I'm playing with fucking RC

my god

I shut down RC too.

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And unlike RC, I have actively given analysis, I actively attempt to work with you guys, you guys just shut me out when I’m giving actual analysis, when I’m doing actual work, so like, fuck that. Why should I care? I’m trying to solve this game while you guys are being lazy only focusing on “oh no, FL could be scum and beat me” get past that. It’s affecting your gameplay if your town, and one of you guys are town.

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nah RC would have twice the posts and then would all caps about how if you're town he hates you and you're a meanie pants and you should feel ashamed

-S

I have a dryer sense of sarcasm, and takes me a while to build up to a blow up, which becomes rightfully deserved by the time it gets to me.

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as the second town trree stump this game i just want to fyi im basically not reading any of your posts anymore and i doubt anyone else is either

Doesn’t matter, you’re already voting Hectic like a good hokeypokey.

Like I’ll literally do all the solving work, idc about that. That’s how I always was with Group Projects anyways.

I just need some things from others, and most of you guys have given me plenty, and did more than your fair share.

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I have a dryer sense of sarcasm, and takes me a while to build up to a blow up, which becomes rightfully deserved by the time it gets to me.

You have a sense of humor which is the main difference between you and RC

-S

Everything I do is for the sake of comedy.

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yes im defintely voting hectic continue massaging me

Sure thing.

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I don't think you're scum FL

I just find your logic impossible to follow like every single game I see you in

and you spam so much in the meantime that everything else gets drowned out

That’s why I go through phases of inactivity. It balances it out.

Look at some games how Jingle and Something_Smart play with me. They’re able to lock down when I’m town, and then they hard slingshot me. Jingle even said once his strategy of town reading me and keeping me locked in wins games. Be my Jingle.

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I have a dryer sense of sarcasm, and takes me a while to build up to a blow up, which becomes rightfully deserved by the time it gets to me.

You have a sense of humor which is the main difference between you and RC

-S

Everything I do is for the sake of comedy.

And unlike RC, I have actively given analysis, I actively attempt to work with you guys, you guys just shut me out when I’m giving actual analysis, when I’m doing actual work, so like, fuck that. Why should I care? I’m trying to solve this game while you guys are being lazy only focusing on “oh no, FL could be scum and beat me” get past that. It’s affecting your gameplay if your town, and one of you guys are town.

FL why were you mirroring my votes earlier? That was weird and unsettling.

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@Titus - One of the Krazy/Ankamius slots are scum, the other is playing devil’s advocate because they don’t want me to be scum and win.

Please please please endorse Hectic over AF.

I already have.

Right, thank you. You’re doing great

I’m just a little hectic right now. I’ll be back later.

The FlippyNips is coming to get me and we going climbing.

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it got almost universal disagreement from everybody who posted and then titus outright shut it down

You were right. We were wrong.

Let us make it up to you now.

I am campaigning here for your vote.

Ask not what you can do for this vote, ask what I can do for your vote. Or something like that.

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I feel as tree stump, i would speak significantly less in general. The Alisae slot, I’d have no reason to spam. It’s not like when I post a lot I’m not saying anything. I’m doing the opposite, I’m just talking a lot.

I talk a lot. It’s just a thing I do, even in person.

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Insanely townie vote by Ankamius, especially because I just stated I was leaving

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I think you'd exhaust me really quickly if we ever met irl FL

You’d actually probably see me a lot differently because you get my animated inflections.

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I think you'd exhaust me really quickly if we ever met irl FL

I don't think so, he blushes too frequently to take his pushes as aggression

-S

Essentially. You’d probably end up seeing my posts here differently in general.

I met Chkflip. Wow! I read his entire game differently now.

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I think you'd exhaust me really quickly if we ever met irl FL

I don't think so, he blushes too frequently to take his pushes as aggression

-S

I make people laugh in real life, whether it’s with me or at me, I don’t know, but as long as that smile’s going on the face.

Also, Krazy saw me consistently lose as scum to Flippynips and Dr Easy Bake...

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I think you'd exhaust me really quickly if we ever met irl FL

I don't think so, he blushes too frequently to take his pushes as aggression

-S

Essentially. You’d probably end up seeing my posts here differently in general.

I met Chkflip. Wow! I read his entire game differently now.

Is he super sarcastic

Yeah

He should have been in this game. He was at the meet with myself, Titus, alisae, and bitmap. Also Math.

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i feel like hectic is a mislynch lol

Trust Oka.

If it’s a mislynch, it’s better than an AF mislynch.

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Wait you know Krazy IRL too?

Krazy and I meet up every time he comes to the Bay. All two times

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oh and i tracked Reasonably Rational last night and he killed Somni
that's something to consider too i guess

This joke is scum taunting

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to me, it looks like Ank is implying Somni starting being sus of her or actually thought she scumslipped, and they argued about it which is why she's annoyed at him
outing that after he dies last night is very strange indeed though
if Ank is scum i could see it get exhausting for her to fake solve and keep up with engaging with Somni if he was solving more in the hood than in the thread (and he was doing a lot in-thread) which is an incentive to kill him

i currently like Misty for town
maybe i'm being played by AtE but he reads as very genuine recently
Ank and Espeonage i'm sus of
Espe i will continue to be until i can see a reasonable explanation for why he outs himself as a God role with no provocation on day 1, and then proceeds to apparently get nothing out of it night 1 or 2
Ank because of *weird* play like fake reads lists and then this debacle with Somni that she's not expanding on + the moving lunches away from both Maki/Kaito and Bitmap

VOTE: Ank

Sidenote, now think draft went like:
Ank
Flavor Leaf
Sherlock & Watson
Maki & Kaito

as first 4 picks

Also uses Ank’s pivot off of Bitmap/Maki as a way to go onto Ank.

This is scum positioning

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The fact that both Hectic and AF are on RR should show why RR is definitely not the correct lynch

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VCA time. I’m climbing now, be back in a couple hours

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Please trust me on AF. He is town.

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VOTE: Aaronfrost

Witness you!!!!!!!

UNVOTE: Aaronfrost

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Please trust me on AF. He is town.

What's Pine?

-S

A tree

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I’m pretty sure I hammered. Please, look into what I’ve said this game if I am no longer here

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Oh, i thought Aaron was the one at L-3 earlier.

Aaron’s town.

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I have 2 innocents on him

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Pine’s not scum, don’t give me old tomatoes!

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I actually thought he could be scum until really recently.

Hectic/Penguin are scum.

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Nah It's AF or Hectic today.

Pine's not scum.

Hectic.

I think there is 1 scum within Ank and Hectic.

Agree. They’re trying to kill AF instead of Hectic.

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He’s town.

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I’m soul reading him here.

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The fact that I feel like I’d hammer him based on some small doubt in me proves that I need to trust my gut. I’ve done this multiple times. I have a correct town read, and something in my heart of hearts gives me doubt, and me giving in is the reason they get mislynched.

This is also extremely similar for me when Maria and I were getting wagon’d at the same time in another game, and I knew she was a mislynch, and I almost died for it there. Oddly, that’s the same game that I out of nowhere called AF scum and caught him.

TownAaron is much more cautious regarding me than is shown here. And by cautious, i don’t mean the cautious he is right now about me getting away as scum, cautious as watching himself so he doesn’t get caught by me. He is not playing in a way at all to stop himself from being caught as scum. He was being extremely genuine, in a similar way as Gobbledy has been, in regards to reading my slot.

AF is town.

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All of them

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Alisae never picks AF. He doesn’t even know him.

AF’s one of my newbies.

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alisae doesn't fucking pick hectic either then

-S

Yes e does! Hectic is the perfect under the radar scum player for an Alisae team. I had Hectic on my draft pick. Honestly, Hectic was probably one of the of these two picks, and easily Hectic is a choice.

Hell, the choice probably was Hectic or AaronFrost, they’re a new duo.

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Like this is a history making moment of a game for them, they’re adding a good moment to their legacy to match up with their bestie ness.

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AF town. Hectic scum.

Prepare for many I am better than you exaggerated posts after a mislynch on AF, and a “haha fooled you, i wanted AF all along, and here’s why” post if he flips scum

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Y’all I was pushing RR for days, and now that I stop, that’s when people start actually wanting it

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Hectic scum does not make rr scum, but rr scum makes Hectic scum.

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RR flips town, Hectic is still the right play

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VOTE: RR

VOTE: Hectic

Did i hammer?

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ScumRR means likely ScumHectic.

TownRR means LockScumHectic.

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VOTE: RR

Yeah, my earlier solve was RR/Hectic, I should stick with it. Not super confident, but enough to go there

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VOTE: Hectic

Can’t do it

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VOTE: FLAVOR

I’m still town, lol.

My draft spec was 100% correct, woot!

[Flavor Leaf]

Hectic is town, don’t go hectic ever lol.

[Flavor Leaf]

you should vote TSE then yeah?

-S

I guess.

But this will be a double town flip day, though. Just follow my draft spec after I flip, and know I solved the game Day1.

VOTE: TSE

[Flavor Leaf]

Hectic is town, don’t go hectic ever lol.

Lul, you're funny

AF flipped scum. I specifically said 1 of you or AF not both, What’s funny.

I’m just vanilla

[Flavor Leaf]

I didn’t read this day phase at all, just saying, so HokeyPokey, chill out.

And sure, go RR.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m just coasting that I was 100% correct with Draft spec and y’all were like “noooooo wahhhh no draft spec, you can’t be right”

I proved it, now kill me, and see I’m town so i can get my flipped clout

[Flavor Leaf]

So we prolong the game because Boon claimed vanilla? Not a fan. He's not even hunting imo.

Whoops Pine died. It must have been to frame Boon.

What you talking about? I hunted from the very beginning of the game. Everything still rings true.

[Flavor Leaf]

It’s okay, I’ll be gone for most of it. Have one last day on set.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m just coasting that I was 100% correct with Draft spec and y’all were like “noooooo wahhhh no draft spec, you can’t be right”

I proved it, now kill me, and see I’m town so i can get my flipped clout

We're not going to unfortunately.

Second, I think your draft is correct but for RR being the head and Maki being the second if you're town.

Ah, RR was the deepwolf if he’s scum still, he wasn’t the heavy. He doesn’t have enough influence over this player list.

[Flavor Leaf]

FL we've mechanically broken the game

just concede if you're scum imo

I would have.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yesterday was a classic townBoon day phase, tbh. Look at Jazz Mafia. Looked just like one of those days in addition to the fact that I was still technically correct on one of Hectic/AF being scum

[Flavor Leaf]

Hectic
Okapoka
AaronFrost
FA
Spiffeh

Of the 5 under the radar draft picks as well, 2 are flipped townies, I town read both OkaPoka and AF.

Hectic rolecopped Vanilla on Okapoka, so we know Hokey Pokey is Vanilla. This is highly indicative of Scum Hectic vs Town HokeyPokey, or at the very least Town on town. Very rarely, if ever, so I see scum target scum Night 1 when they have actual abilities, which Hectic is confirmed to have because of the hard to fake Role Cop/Gunsmith.

Alternatively, Hectic actively waited to claim stuff until AFTER OkaPoka was “guiltied” and claimed.

Hectic opted out, thus coming across as legit, and gaining credibility towards his claim.

He might not even have a role cop ability, tbh. That could have just been a tricky way to trying to get OkaPoka to claim, which I believe it was.

This narrowed down who potential Masons would be.

[Flavor Leaf]

TrueSoulEnergy
Pine
Flavor Leaf
Hectic
OkaPoka
Espeonage
Bitmap
Maki and Kaito (hydra of Maki Harukawa & Kaito Momota)
Sherlock and Watson (hydra of PenguinPower & Krazy)
Frozen Angel
Chemist1422
AaronFrost
Spiffeh
gobbledygook
Ankamius
Reasonably Rational (hydra of Cerberus v666 and Drixx)
Amrun

Let’s look at this list? Who would you state are the scum heavies, picks by Alisae? By heavy, I mean the slot to be able to captain a scum team and maneuver their way around the majority of players, which is why I won’t have Bitmap or the RR hydra, even though I think they’re likely strong or capable scum players.

I would say:
Pine
FL
Maria/Dunn hydra (keep in mind, Alisae nomm’d Dunn for Rising Star)
Sherlock and Watson
Ankamius

There is absolutely zero chance that there isn’t scum within this list. I know I’m town, and you can deduct Alisae wouldn’t ever pick me here (you don’t have to believe it, but e knows it’s true)

So that leaves

Pine
Maria/Dunn hydra
Krazy/PP hydra
Ankamius.

Obviously you can’t just pick all heavies, that’s too many cooks in the kitchen, so it would be balanced out between strong supporting scum players, and a likely “no one would ever expect this!!!”

Does anybody disagree with this heavy list?

Secondary Scum List second in commands

Espeonage
Bitmap
Gobbledygook
Reasonably Rational

Under the radar coast be there scum picks
Hectic
Okapoka
AaronFrost
Frozen Angel
Spiffeh


Don’t really see Alisae picking unless having to choose between two of em specifically
TrueSoulEnergy
Chemist
Amrun

[Flavor Leaf]

FL

you're wasting your time

How so? I’m just mak8ng sure it’s up to date so I can look at it.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m town thinking out loud for my own sake. You all can do whatever you want.

I caught scum this game hard, even if I only lead and pushed through one of them Day 1

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, I’ve been calling RR scum for days, the only time it went away was during my Hectic tunnel.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’ll get everybody on the same page. Just make a chart of why it’s a mechanical solve, and I’ll be a megaphone

[Flavor Leaf]

flavor leaf stop cluttering the thread so the ms boomers dont have an excuse to say they missed the part where they have to claim

please quote this post

RR we need a fullclaim including all night actions
Pine we need you to check Flavor Leaf tonight

please acknowledge posts

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: RR

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m just coasting that I was 100% correct with Draft spec and y’all were like “noooooo wahhhh no draft spec, you can’t be right”

I proved it, now kill me, and see I’m town so i can get my flipped clout

We're not going to unfortunately.

Second, I think your draft is correct but for RR being the head and Maki being the second if you're town.

Ah, RR was the deepwolf if he’s scum still, he wasn’t the heavy. He doesn’t have enough influence over this player list.

RR would usually. Regardless of alignment, RR has been struggling.

I’ve seen both of them as scum before, and I believe this is true 4-5 years ago, not here.

[Flavor Leaf]

well let me put it this way

Titus how confident are you in all your conftown reads?

Everyone who is not Hectic, RR, FL or TSE is town. I am 95% certain of that.

because FL can be sorted via Pine's vanilla cop

Hectic, RR, and TSE cannot.

I think TSE should venge Hectic

TSE vengekills RR
if game continues, Pine checks Leafy
Pine dies if he's town
in that case we lynch Leafy

[Flavor Leaf]

What d you do after mislynching me in that scenario?

[Flavor Leaf]

Like say Pine flips town, what happens after you need to lynch my slot, who’s next

[Flavor Leaf]

Wait, so Ankamius and SandW get a free pass to get to end game if they’re scum?

Lol. Alright, I’ll go along with the plan, but lolololol.

[Flavor Leaf]

there's 2 mislynches from there so it's not like we're in a bad spot at that point

1 mislynch sorry

I feel game probably just ends with RR, and that I as right way earlier, but if you’re town in this situation, it’s Krazy, and Krazy, vice versa to you.

[Flavor Leaf]

S_W, OkaPoka are conf towned mechanically

+ masons

Then why aren’t we lynching Hectic.

He vanilla claimed you.

[Flavor Leaf]

He also neighborized me last night, if that matters

[Flavor Leaf]

i am vanilla

I thought you were mason

[Flavor Leaf]

Like honestly, I’m so obv town this game.

[Flavor Leaf]

I haven’t known crap about what’s going on all game

[Flavor Leaf]

Then it’s in Ankamius/Espeonage if it gets to that point

[Flavor Leaf]

If it’s Espeonage, that means my team solve was really good Day Q.

[Flavor Leaf]

1, because I was saying Maki/Espeonag

[Flavor Leaf]

Then it’s in Ankamius/Espeonage if it gets to that point

how certain of this are you FL


is it ONLY possible that it's within you/Hectic/TSE/Pine/me/Espe?

If and only if it’s true OkaPoka/SandW are town conf, idk why exactly they are, but I’ll go along with it, because i don’t necessarily think they’re scum regardless.

Then yeah, I think it’s just RR.

[Flavor Leaf]

so whats the over/under on when RR claims

I don’t even care if they claim tbh. They should die here today anyways

[Flavor Leaf]

If it’s OkaPoka I accept this lost.
GG YOUR MVP.

Gg to you too

[Flavor Leaf]

I can't read Hectic so someone fill me in.

The only game I played with him was when I was on my alt for Undertale and I just really wanted to lynch him for the weird things he did as town.

I think this is a scumpost

That makes sense. Bitmap flipped scum.

If you’re referring to Hectic, yeah, I posted that quote yesterDay.

I could see Hectic scum, I guess, but I would rather go the RR route, because RR was my scum read prior.

I can make cases for each of them, and I believe scum to be within the 2, Hectic I’m leaning town now based on the AF flip.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: TSE

Sorry, TSE. I’ve been stating you were town essentially all game, and I have you on the Alisae never drafts list. However, if you are scum, I will admit, I didn’t see it at all.

Venge happy. If you go off book, Venge me.

[Flavor Leaf]

Witness me!!!!!!!

[Flavor Leaf]

Why is RR last?

Zero reason why RR should ever be after me.

I should be conf town based on my Maki push, tbh, but I’ll willing to accept it sense I get people are afraid of the almighty leaf that brings the beef

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah you can't be conftown off play after the self-vote and then the aaron defense, and then also the "witness me" right now reads more like scum trying to go out in a flashy manner

you can if somehow pine lives the night even though that seems unlikely or if someone has an unclaimed rolecop or something

-S

Nah, I'm just town who's done their part in this game.

[Flavor Leaf]

Lynch RR

Alisae kills TSE who kills Pine

Lynch Flavor Leaf

Alisae kills a conf town say me

Lynch Hectic

Alisae kills SW

Hopefully ank clears someone in the middle there


<Ank,Gobble,Espy>

If Titus has two masons in there the game is over

This is the plan

If something comes up and I'm not alive hopefully you guys take a look back and use your mechanics brain instead of being lazy

[Flavor Leaf]

My neighborhood talk and reasoning for Hectic neighborizing me.

It all started with him Well Well Well’ing me.

Then he goes something of the how’d you scumread AF so badly, you should be able to read him, right right?

I’d like all this explanations plox.

So yeah, it came across scummy af, but AF flipping scum makes me lean less on Hectic.

I still think he should never end game.

[Flavor Leaf]

Ali why Bitmap and Aaron?

I’m like 99% sure I already explained why

[Flavor Leaf]

TrueSoulEnergy
Pine
Flavor Leaf
Hectic
OkaPoka
Espeonage
Bitmap
Maki and Kaito (hydra of Maki Harukawa & Kaito Momota)
Sherlock and Watson (hydra of PenguinPower & Krazy)
Frozen Angel
Chemist1422
AaronFrost
Spiffeh
gobbledygook
Ankamius
Reasonably Rational (hydra of Cerberus v666 and Drixx)
Amrun

Let’s look at this list? Who would you state are the scum heavies, picks by Alisae? By heavy, I mean the slot to be able to captain a scum team and maneuver their way around the majority of players, which is why I won’t have Bitmap or the RR hydra, even though I think they’re likely strong or capable scum players.

I would say:
Pine
FL
Maria/Dunn hydra (keep in mind, Alisae nomm’d Dunn for Rising Star)
Sherlock and Watson
Ankamius

There is absolutely zero chance that there isn’t scum within this list. I know I’m town, and you can deduct Alisae wouldn’t ever pick me here (you don’t have to believe it, but e knows it’s true)

So that leaves

Pine

Maria/Dunn hydra

Krazy/PP hydra
Ankamius.

Obviously you can’t just pick all heavies, that’s too many cooks in the kitchen, so it would be balanced out between strong supporting scum players, and a likely “no one would ever expect this!!!”

Does anybody disagree with this heavy list?

Secondary Scum List second in commands

Espeonage

Bitmap

Gobbledygook
Reasonably Rational

Under the radar coast be there scum picks
Hectic
Okapoka

AaronFrost

Frozen Angel
Spiffeh


Don’t really see Alisae picking unless having to choose between two of em specifically
TrueSoulEnergy
Chemist
Amrun

This is a similar skill set I use when I’m scum that has a strong invisible effect on the game.

[Flavor Leaf]

FL what do you think of RR’s claim and actions? Do you believe that you would be targeted for a nightkill after hard defending Aaron?

Was there a no kill?

And yes. It was about time I die off tbh. I’m rather hard to lynch even if it seems people are okay lynching me.

Alisae was probably done with my draft spec, and after I’ve been proven to be correct, it’s solid.

Alternatively, if Hectic is scum, then yes, it does also make sense.

However, RR could still be scum, I’m just saying I see it as a possibility

[Flavor Leaf]

FL, can you for shits and giggles document here or by PM to the mids how you think I drafted my mason(s) this game? I won't give feedback most likely, so you can spoil it. It's more for meta sake. My thoughts are already in my PT.

Yeah, I’ll do it when I get the chance, hopefully tonight. (I just got home from my last overnight shoot, so I’m about to hit the hay)

[Flavor Leaf]

Only thing worse to the scum team than bumbling fool FL is a bumbling fool FL who’s right

Alternatively, if you check Jazz Mafia, I was essentially at the center fold of that game, and had strong reads early game, and every single day phase I played devil’s advocate to Saudade before we eventually ended up on the right wagons.

Similar to happen here.

When I am hard defending scum as town, I win. Idk whyy. I feel scum might try too hard to make sure I town read them, but people don’t like to vote where I’m voting.

Look how easy you guys are to work.

Everytime I wanted you lot to stop voting me, I just voted myself.

Ankamius moves off every single time. I even sent a PM to the mods saying look how easy it is to move people off a wagon I don’t want.

[Flavor Leaf]

Wait, so a kill on me happened?

And RR protected me. I don’t think that’s a long haul gambit. I think it makes sense that Alisae team kills me too.

Right now, I’m thinking Hectic/Ank has to have the final scum?

Espeonage is the outlier. I can’t see why Pine clears me as scum there. I guess he can’t fake a guilty without losing.

Hectic, Ank, Espeonage, Pine. We 100% lynch within that.

[Flavor Leaf]

Hectic scum requires multitasking right?

-S

When was the no kill? Was it the same night I got neighborized?

[Flavor Leaf]

Wait, so a kill on me happened?

No, scum no killed n4

-S

Why? What roles are out there to warrant that?

Alien WIFOM?

[Flavor Leaf]

My first scum game in 2014 Ibrought Titus, and a mason into 4p MYLO on a no kill, I’m the master of the no kill. I need the deets. Brain blast time

[Flavor Leaf]

I think it makes sense that Alisae team kills me too.

this is impossible because the 1-shot bp was intact when the venge landed

-S

Yeah, that’s what I’m figuring. RR got shot, nobody died because he had a BP. Unless he’s lying about it to cover some sort of action.

[Flavor Leaf]

He either hit RR or straight up didn’t action, which is actually incredibly rough if RR is scum.

I think it’s in Hectic/Ankamius.

Hectic/AF could just be S/S, and my case on Hectic could still be correct, which is why I was so blindsided by AF. ScumAF is extremely weary of me coming after him probably, so this game makes a lot of sense. Of course Alisae gonna try to mess with me, that’s all e does during the Berkeley meetups.

Bitmap/AF is enough.

Hectic/Ankamius/Espeonage...one of them.

What vengeful does not vengekill?

[Flavor Leaf]

Don’t really see Alisae picking unless having to choose between two of em specifically
TrueSoulEnergy
Chemist
Amrun

*dusts off dirty hands*

[Flavor Leaf]

FL how do you like the banner?

Looks great. I love it so much. They’re brighter this year, aren’t they?

Boon’s got his own banner too, and it has hearts on it.

[Flavor Leaf]

2 town Joats, 2 scum Joats work well

[Flavor Leaf]

The normal game I just modded, Boon Gets Pretentious, just ended, and Hectic clutched our a scum victory in 3p lylo, with AaronFrost alive still, might I add, and he lost his scum partner Day 1, so he can very well clutch a game. Like, I knew he was going to win from like Day 2 as well, even though he was obviously scum from the outside, he did well at playing the people on the inside, if that makes sense.

This game looks similar to that, except there I think I might have found a scum tell, at least when he’s under pressure of some sort, which I will say, I did not really see here, especially after I started pushing him, so that’s my only hesitance.

The scum tell on Hectic was...well, he gets more hectic and frantic in his posts.

[Flavor Leaf]

Theres something that’s telling me too that it’s RR, as much as I want to kill the others. Gut is pinging right now Hectic is town, brain is saying he’s scum, idk who to listen to.

I’m the flip of that on RR.

Ank, I have nothing telling me anything on, and Espe/Pine I’m getting an “eh, i wouldn’t be totally shocked, but i don’t think so”

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m leaning RR/Ankamius, one of them.

I think I’d prefer Ankamius, however.

It’s about time I catch her.

[Flavor Leaf]

The Claim Game and Setup Spec

Mason - Spiffeh
Mason - Gobble
Vengeful - TSE
VT - Insomnia
JOAT, Rolecop, Voyeur, Neighborizer - Chemist
Ascetic Compulsive Complex Friendly Neighbor - Amrun


Mafia JOAT, Rolecop, Alien, Neighborizer - Maki
Mafia JOAT, Rolecop, Alien, Neighborizer - Bitmap
Ninja - AF

VT - FL
VT - Okapoka
VT - SandW
JOAT, Rolecop, Tracker, Neighborizer - Hectic
JOAT, 1 shot BP, body guard, neighborizer - RR
JOAT Neighborizer ??? ??? - Ankamius
Ascetic Disloyal Friendly Neighbor - Espeonage
Ascetic Enabler Vanilla Cop - Pine

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, I think it’s just Ankamius. She’s a part of a lot of missing action reasonings too. There’s also only 1 alien shot that should have been out there, if it’s proven there’s another, it HAS to be Ankamius or RR, unless Hectic is lying, but it doesn’t look like he is, and I see symmetry with Chemist role, which is why I’m leaning town on Hectic right now.

Ankamius neighborized Insomnia, so that’s a JOAT there. Honestly, I don’t think it matters to me what is even on it, I believe one of those JOATS are scum, or it’s Pine.

[Flavor Leaf]

RR I think would have to be pulling an insane gambit to make that go through, I feel.

And I did think one of Krazy/Ank is scum, I’m good going Ank today.

VOTE: Ankamius

[Flavor Leaf]

Ankamius s —> Pine

[Flavor Leaf]

Hmm...

[Flavor Leaf]

Good story.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’ve been town reading you for a while.

Actually, I think this breaks open the game.

@Pine - we need to know what you got on Ankamius. If you got a No Result, Ankamius is Ascetic.

[Flavor Leaf]

Ankamius doesn’t have a single action confirmed on them thus far, and with a Disloyal Friendly Neighbor, it makes sense to have scum who has an Ascetic.

Or else you just never claim the disloyal part of the role, which could technically mean Espeonage is scum, because they’re also unconfirmable.

The last scum is part of the Ascetic puzzle

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Reasonably Rational

This is fucking scum guys, come on

(I'll claim shortly, I just woke up. This isn't a mechanical solve)

Why can’t you just claim now

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m willing to believe it’s RR, but not coa8ming instantly but posting shows us you’re potentially taking time to think over what you need to claim

[Flavor Leaf]

he didnt get no result

he said it was a "positive" result and ank has never claimed ascetic

Kind of what I’m getting at. Ankamius hid the fact they were ascetic if they are scum ascetic, which is why Bitmap would have claimed to neighborize them, to further push the Ank isn’t ascetic.

There was also a lot of extra talk on Alien actions, but I don’t see that much activity from Aliens this game, tbh. Maki alien died day 1.

[Flavor Leaf]

now tell me

WHY DOES NOBODY DIE ON THE NIGHT THAT GOBBLE WAS SUPPOSEDLY PROTECTED BY RR?

@Ankamius - you wanna know why you’re lock scum right now?

Your claim was too perfect. It’s the exact role that makes sense for town to have from scum needing a damn good fake claim.

[Flavor Leaf]

3 town JOATS, tracker, watcher, voyeur, plus Vanilla Cop, scum have a ninja to counteract it.

That’s what I expected Ankamius to claim, that or follower instead of watcher.

[Flavor Leaf]

now tell me

WHY DOES NOBODY DIE ON THE NIGHT THAT GOBBLE WAS SUPPOSEDLY PROTECTED BY RR?

RR wifomed it and protected FL instead.

Either scum shot FL and TSE no venged OR scum no killed.

Scum RR doesn't likely no kill unless he's certain TSE dies in the near future.

You know what, TSE probably didn’t mean to no venge, they were probably just MIA the entire time, and straight up missed the timer.

[Flavor Leaf]

That’s our only protective, the big 1 shot bp, and I think I believe it. No other reasons setup spec why on town’s side. Scum didn’t no kill there.

That’s confirmed now with the final claim.

RR is town. TSE no Venged.

[Flavor Leaf]

now tell me

WHY DOES NOBODY DIE ON THE NIGHT THAT GOBBLE WAS SUPPOSEDLY PROTECTED BY RR?

RR wifomed it and protected FL instead.

Either scum shot FL and TSE no venged OR scum no killed.

Scum RR doesn't likely no kill unless he's certain TSE dies in the near future.

You know what, TSE probably didn’t mean to no venge, they were probably just MIA the entire time, and straight up missed the timer.

Timer was cut short. Either TSE chose to no venge, or he venged RR.

I don’t think that’s what happened, that requires a No kill by scum. Why no kill?

They didn’t. They shot and it didn’t go through. That’s also why Ankamius is pushing the “why would scum no kill?” They didn’t, and she knows we can’t answer that correctly

[Flavor Leaf]

Scum didn’t no kill there.

why the fuck are you still debating this, scum definitely no killed

-S

Why would they no kill? Who were they soft confirming?

[Flavor Leaf]

Okay, I believe that, however that actually raises Ank’s town equity...? Nah, it’s super late, they can’t have expected that many more. There has to be some other reason. It’s a reason, but idk if that’s strong enough considering.

Ank’s role fits really nicely, almost too nicely, and like, I was thinking about that exact role...interesting.

[Flavor Leaf]

Scum didn’t no kill there.

why the fuck are you still debating this, scum definitely no killed

-S

Scum no killing definitely points to someone who could be cleared by the babysitting TSE role, assuming we wouldn't lynch to clear the issue.

Otherwise, a no kill risks creating a random townfirm that scum must deal with.

What night was the no kill?

[Flavor Leaf]

Wait Ank just scum slipped.
They said Hectic could be Mafia but puts them as Town.

LOOK AT THIS!
ARE YOU ALL BLIND!?!


AF IS THE MOST OBV MISS LYNCH THIS GAME!

IT’S 2 OF ANK, HECTIC AND RR.

I’M THINKING IT’S ANK NOW.

How about you all vote me instead of AF if your all so keen.
I’ll kill a Ank.
As it makes sense.
Via the Insomnia Kill.
Plus since Insomnia is dead they can’t defend AF.
Remember Insomnia’s AF read changed.
And it’s usually hard for Insomnia to change there mind.

HOW TF ARE YOU GUYS NOT SEEING THIS.

SRY FOR YELLING BUT I DON’T WANT TO LOSE TO THIS SHIT.

Welp...was looking to see who was most likely to be targeted by TSE on Night 4.

[Flavor Leaf]

Also, not gonna lie, respect to how much this dude wants to win as town, and the emotions he goes through to get us to know he’s serious, he wants to win.

[Flavor Leaf]

Makes more sense for Ank to make the kill.
Insomnia started to Town read AF.
Why would AF kill that?

holy fuck TSE STILL thinks I can be scum after that?

I just don’t understand the “Insomnia” Kill.

I don’t know if Vengeful Ank is the right play though.
There might be something I’m not looking at.

This kid is beautiful, wtf, he’s obnoxious af, but good shit, dude.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t know if Vengeful Ank is the right play though.
There might be something I’m not looking at.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, I think I can call Pine town. There’s a world he’s scum, but I’m not sure it’s this one

[Flavor Leaf]

now that I look at the playerlist again, I think it's exactly Hectic/AF

VOTE: Hectic

Vote Hectic then.

Wait Ank just scum slipped.
They said Hectic could be Mafia but puts them as Town.

LOOK AT THIS!
ARE YOU ALL BLIND!?!


AF IS THE MOST OBV MISS LYNCH THIS GAME!

IT’S 2 OF ANK, HECTIC AND RR.

I’M THINKING IT’S ANK NOW.

How about you all vote me instead of AF if your all so keen.
I’ll kill a Ank.
As it makes sense.
Via the Insomnia Kill.
Plus since Insomnia is dead they can’t defend AF.
Remember Insomnia’s AF read changed.
And it’s usually hard for Insomnia to change there mind.

HOW TF ARE YOU GUYS NOT SEEING THIS.

SRY FOR YELLING BUT I DON’T WANT TO LOSE TO THIS SHIT.

Ankamius was also positioning a world where AF/Hectic were scum together, setting up for their possible partner’s demise, and letting them off the hook after one flipped town.

[Flavor Leaf]

Those were TSE’s last posts of that day phase. He was clearly scum reading Ankamius and going to kill her.

If Ankamius was town, TSE would have been killed this night.

I was way wrong on AaronFrost and pushing Hectic, I don’t die that night.

[Flavor Leaf]

Wait, guys, it’s like confirmed Ankamius

[Flavor Leaf]

RR lynch, then Hectic lynch, then one of Espeonage-Pine is Ank’s victory path. It’s pretty clearly there

[Flavor Leaf]

Maybe it is just RR, I’ll vote either way, I guess. Let’s just speed this game up until it finishes at this point.

[Flavor Leaf]

RR lynch, then Hectic lynch, then one of Espeonage-Pine is Ank’s victory path. It’s pretty clearly there

And then Ank still loses.

Oh yeah, I’m not worried about that. That’s Ank’s victory path, didn’t mean to imply it was going to happen. I very clearly dont expect it to.

I expect if we mislynch today, the other just goes the next day immediately, and I don’t see anyone not going through with it, so

[Flavor Leaf]

FL is positing that I have a bullproof or whatever the hell

you know... someone who has claimed along the standard town JoaT path instead of the JoaT that claimed along that exact same track?

Never mind, I’m high, Ankamius could just shoot someone else in that scenario, they don’t have to shoot TSE. Whoops. Ank is town again for now.

Lol

VOTE: RR

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Hectic might actually have the worst claim from a mechanical POV

-S

I think it’s the exact same position as Ankamius...except he claimed it way earlier. Hell, those could actually be their own roles too.

Unless you’re acting like Ankamius watcher is better on town because they can go around these Ascetic claims to synergize with the disloyal FN, omg, that’s what it is, i was right on Hectic yesterday, Something Smart and ducky did good work with that, expected beautiful ness from beautiful people.

VOTE: Hectic

Eat it, a Hectic. You’re scum! I caught you 2 days ago!

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Or it could just be RR...who I caught 3 days ago....

Or Ank...who i caught today...

Which one of my days is correct....that’s neat real neat

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now that flavor is conf town suddenly everything he says is very swaying jesus

Town read me earlier next time.

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Yeah, I’ll go RR.

Hectic/Ankamius need to just die the next couple days if it isn’t over.

VOTE: RR

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The Claim Game and Setup Spec

Mason - Spiffeh
Mason - Gobble
Vengeful - TSE
VT - Insomnia
JOAT, Rolecop, Voyeur, Neighborizer - Chemist
Ascetic Compulsive Complex Friendly Neighbor - Amrun


Mafia JOAT, Rolecop, Alien, Neighborizer - Maki
Mafia JOAT, Rolecop, Alien, Neighborizer - Bitmap
Ninja - AF

VT - FL
VT - Okapoka
VT - SandW
JOAT, Rolecop, Tracker, Neighborizer - Hectic
JOAT, 1 shot BP, body guard, neighborizer - RR
JOAT Neighborizer ??? ??? - Ankamius
Ascetic Disloyal Friendly Neighbor - Espeonage
Ascetic Enabler Vanilla Cop - Pine

For my own sake

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The Claim Game and Setup Spec

Mason - Spiffeh
Mason - Gobble
Vengeful - TSE
VT - Insomnia
JOAT, Rolecop, Voyeur, Neighborizer - Chemist
Ascetic Compulsive Complex Friendly Neighbor - Amrun


Mafia JOAT, Rolecop, Alien, Neighborizer - Maki
Mafia JOAT, Rolecop, Alien, Neighborizer - Bitmap
Ninja - AF

VT - FL
VT - Okapoka
VT - SandW
JOAT, Rolecop, Tracker, Neighborizer - Hectic
JOAT, 1 shot BP, body guard, neighborizer - RR
JOAT, Rolecop, Watcher, Neighborizer - Ankamius
Ascetic Disloyal Friendly Neighbor - Espeonage
Ascetic Enabler Vanilla Cop - Pine

For my own sake

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I really don’t see scum no killing in this setup, so my current theory is RR is 1-shot BP for some reason, maybe Alisae chose that, and then SS trolled and didn’t put town killing roles, however, RR 1-shot BP, no killed to help confirm their eventual claim and actions, but then got venge shot so them being BP still and gambiting actually ended up ruining their gambit.

I can’t see any other reason scum would no kill, tbh, besides the babysitter-Ankamius thing, but even then, Ank could have just killed elsewhere.

Why does Hectic no kill? Because he’s afraid of getting caught/having a town confirmed? Nah, you gotta play it that way. Also, Hectic in BGP risked it for the biscuit, and decided to shoot masons N1/n2 before seeing if there were protective. He risks it for the biscuit.

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The main argument for hectic no killing would be because as a claimed joat he needed to use his hood shot at some point otherwise he's get autolynched

Not a great reason and I'm still happy to do rr first

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Damn, that is a good argument, actually

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Then it’s just WIFOM at this point, tbh.

Lynch RR->Ankamius—>Hectic

I think we c an both agree scum is in there.

If espeonage or pine is scum, i think they’d have been outed by now. I think it’s just them town

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oh so the argument is that the night 4 no kill suggested Reasonably Rational protected someone with their bodyguard, but they still had their 1-shot bulletproof since they didn't die to the TrueSoulEnergy vengekill
so we know scum must have no killed, and there's a lot more reason for Reasonably Rational to do that then any other scum who doesn't even know Reasonably Rational's role at that point
i understand now

VOTE: Reasonably Rational

Correct; however you neighborized the night of the kill on last scum, so you’re a little sketch, but I think it’s RR.

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idk I was curious whether Boon was serious about Krazy v Boon

Also I think most of this list is already in it but anyone who isn't yet is welcome to the cow level - https://discord.gg/FsyjUs

Yup

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Oka it was nice being main-thread-masons with you <3

Boon sorry for driving you krazy enough to self-vote but let this be a lesson that self-voting makes me want to lynch you a lot more

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Oh, I played you guys. As soon as I did it, I messaged mods and said “look how easy it is to get wagons to stop building on me” because every time I did it, Ankamius unvoted.

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as the great sage HitAlt once said,

We should've really killed Boon.
Scum should always kill him

i think I had a really strong game here

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I doubted myself multiple times this game

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I was conf town and had my setup spec correct!

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Same, though, I was trolling around because I couldn’t get much momentum

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Just think Boon, it's a game where we both fakeclaimed masons with the same scum! I feel like we've really turned a new leaf here

Hilarious. And he still died

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To be fair, I’ve never lost as scum in 3p lylo, if I recall correctly.

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Krazy vs Flavor