Mainstream Mafia II: D&D Edition [FIN]

[Titus]

VOTE: TSE

I don't care for the AtE, rapid position swaps and not reading.

[Titus]

VOTE: TSE

I don't care for the AtE, rapid position swaps and not reading.

Titus, I love you, darling, and I’m so sad you pulled scum.

I love you too and I'm sad you're pushing this wrong angle. Time and TSE's flip will tell me more about your alignment and motivations.

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UT is intentionally obtuse, I think. I've never played with them before but I've also never played with anyone that I can even compare them to in how abrupt their posts are. Every time they say something it's like hitting your head on a pipe you'd never noticed was there before -- their posts regularly knock me off balance. I imagine that it's probably purposeful. Is that scum indicative? Quite possibly. I don't know past that. I need to go to work but I'll look at them more when I get back.

No. That's UT.

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UT is intentionally obtuse, I think. I've never played with them before but I've also never played with anyone that I can even compare them to in how abrupt their posts are. Every time they say something it's like hitting your head on a pipe you'd never noticed was there before -- their posts regularly knock me off balance. I imagine that it's probably purposeful. Is that scum indicative? Quite possibly. I don't know past that. I need to go to work but I'll look at them more when I get back.

No. That's UT.

Why? I think you're town?

[Titus]

VOTE: TSE

That. Voting so it shows in my ISO.

[Titus]

VOTE: TSE

That. Voting so it shows in my ISO.

Would you join the Vork wagon instead?

I would. I haven't had any interaction with Vork, so I'd prefer TSE who is actually scummy versus a null read.

[Titus]

VOTE: Vork

Appealing to my sense of wagonomics, I'm in until I can verify. I also like the rationale especially compared to the reasons some players got on my wagon.

#pocketed

[Titus]

VOTE: Titus

For Klingoncelt

Da Faq?

She's not even in this game and we haven't played together in years.

[Titus]

So is that a no on takers for a UT lynch then?

I'm a little concerned UT doesn't know how much I hate d1 or how behind I am (I still consider this practically d1). But his tone and actions still match town. UT will come around eventually. I have faith in that.

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scum Mastina, as a gladiator, outted her power and continued to hold town hostage with it.

I claimed mafia suicide bomber once. Lynched the town who CCed me. That was fun.

VOTE: TSE

I'll await my execution now, you got your vote.

[Titus]

Again, we will likely be able to sort TSE with greater certainty later. We just need to know what role goblins play in this game.

Why suppose goblins all play the same role with the Orc flip and flavor implying they were bad?

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scum Mastina, as a gladiator, outted her power and continued to hold town hostage with it.

I claimed mafia suicide bomber once. Lynched the town who CCed me. That was fun.

VOTE: TSE

I'll await my execution now, you got your vote.

Is this a scum claim or what? You could claim, if town? Do you have anything to share?


This makes me want to lynch it more. Kinda concerned it’s town giving up but cannot bank on that right now.

Lynch it? Distancing yourself now from the mislynch. She/her are my pronouns.

Second, I am not claiming because I don't think TSE will shoot me and scumclaim himself. Why give scum the info? I am here, loud and proud to scumhunt.

Speaking of which, where has your scumhunting been lately?

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Plus there’s plenty of benefit to scum to get a quick mislynch on town!titus and I’m happy to let her get into the game to see if she produces more later on

She hasn’t done anything that’s pinged me as obviously scummy and so I’d rather sort her later, even if I’m not actually certain she’s town

Her reaction to pressure was super scummy idk how you can defend there. Is mod known for safeclaims? Btw?

Really? I claimed I'd be there. Amrun fakes a nebulous guilty on like half the game. I come back as promised. I lurked the early half because of real life.

This creates a wagon on me. I get frustrated because scum take a shot at me.

Just what the fuck is scummy about being pissed on having to blow my alt to defend myself?

[Titus]

Titus I would still quite like you to explain your vote on me

It was a troll vote to see reactions later when I'd have time to dive later. I wanted to try and do something despite having no time IRL.

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Just what the fuck is scummy about being pissed on having to blow my alt to defend myself?

wait

Mod: Please replace me with my main, Titus. I feel scum figured this out and it's not fair to town.

can you elaborate on this, since apparently it was a defense

Yes. You know by now I'm weaker early. Add in real life blocking me from contributing, and you have an easy mislynch lined up.

This is why I feel Amrun timed his obscure guilty when did did. I would quickly lose my viability as a lurker mislynch.

VOTE: elements

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.so you tactically replaced out of your alt into your main because you felt it would make you harder to lynch

Mislynch. Partially. Also, if scum were going to use my weaknesses against me but town didn't have that knowledge, then town is at a disadvantage. I would have been gamethrowing.

If I explained my real life situation, everyone would have known who I was anyway. It was the least confusing, most pragmatic solution. I personally hated it but it gives town the best chance to win.

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Did you ever explain who you thought knew Virgo was a Titus alt?

Not the specific names. It technically could be findable by anyone if they knew where to look. I have a distinct voice and also possibly matching V/LA times.

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Like if you came back and gave your thoughts on the game or even picked like an association that you wanted clarification on then I probably wouldn't have had an issue.

But your reactive and not proactive and I haven't seen reactive Town!Titus before.

I need fewer people alive to get a sense of the land before being too proactive. I have commented on what I see, as I see it. I really don't have the time for more.

My reads develop based on slots interacting with each other.

[Titus]

Is Amrun one of the players you think would look for a connection like that?

Possible. She's been gone for years, so I don't remember her style.

[Titus]

I had no idea Virgo was Titus.

That's because you're a cute little newbie.

*makes Mom baby talk noises*

[Titus]

Because your argument kind of pivots on Amrun knowing you're Titus and not just Lurker McLurkerson taking up space.

Sort of. That would be the easiest solution, and that could be provided by any scum.

It could be opportunistic jumpers. The refusal of Amrun to talk about anything else makes me doubt it.

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Like if you came back and gave your thoughts on the game or even picked like an association that you wanted clarification on then I probably wouldn't have had an issue.

But your reactive and not proactive and I haven't seen reactive Town!Titus before.

I need fewer people alive to get a sense of the land before being too proactive. I have commented on what I see, as I see it. I really don't have the time for more.

My reads develop based on slots interacting with each other.

Ok. What do you think of Nero/Vork? Bingle/Wooper? FL/Menalque? Bbmolla/gobble? Menalque/UT?

All of these are somewhat meaningful interactions between players that aren't centered around you.

I'll give a detailed answer this weekend, when I can do a deep dive.

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VOTE: Titus

I don't like the reasoning for revealing her alt and I don't think it holds up to scrutiny. I also find it hard to believe she has no reads at this point in the game.

If I'm wrong on this, I'll happily join on Elements tomorrow bcz he's also sus.

That's because I do have reads. I don't have a particular slot as scum though


I have Amrun --- TSE --- The Fonz

You and Elements (because of your vote change in position on me, wk to vote rapidly).


Nero, UT and Melanque are all likely town.

Most, except for the Melanque read and the comment on you exist in my ISO already.

I don't have anything I feel confident pushing bc I lack time to verify what I see is accurate.

[Titus]

You go from persuading me to vote Vorkuta to voting me, acting like I'm town the whole time. That posture doesn't change that rapidly organically.

[Titus]

pls pls spell my name right

Sorry. I'm really bad on that.

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Hey sorry for the delay. I've been struggling with divorce related depression. You guys deserve better.

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Vote Vork then, fuck off with the new wagons

I am voting Vork, dummy.

I think I am voting Vork but just to be sure

VOTE: Vork

[Titus]

b/c it is

ate

?Like if this doesn't appeal to your emotions then you have no heart. If Titus is going though something then I feel for her. Should I not?

People can still feel for me and think I am scum. Catch is the reason my wagon is static is because informed minority are pushing it to save their own before I can vca.

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Also, DD getting lynched over Vork d1 prob has something to do with it.

Because if there are two wagons, one of them must be on scum?

If Vork flips scum, lynch Ceph tmo.

[Titus]

Also, DD getting lynched over Vork d1 prob has something to do with it.

Because if there are two wagons, one of them must be on scum?

If Vork flips scum, lynch Ceph tmo.

I badger people about thinking vote counts are important literally every game.

You know this.

Why has it suddenly become alignment indicative?

Because vote counts are important and you are defending Vork

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Also, DD getting lynched over Vork d1 prob has something to do with it.

Because if there are two wagons, one of them must be on scum?

If Vork flips scum, lynch Ceph tmo.

I badger people about thinking vote counts are important literally every game.

You know this.

Why has it suddenly become alignment indicative?

Because vote counts are important and you are defending Vork

Second, my premise relies on Vork scum. If you think both of us are town, then my association never comes to pass.

[Titus]

also what is vorky? L-2?

We want tse to execute, right?

He could but from what I recall he prolly won’t

Why?

[Titus]

I may have put Vork on L minus 1. My vote was on Elements

[Titus]

Mena, If Icon's slot is nullscum why did you not want that lynched/vigged?

If you put on your detective hat and search the thread really hard I bet you can figure this one out!

What was that tell about others answering a question not directed at them?

Garcia

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also what is vorky? L-2?

We want tse to execute, right?

He could but from what I recall he prolly won’t

Why?

this.

why wont he, why would we not rope him for not.

TSE is probably scum

[Titus]

Last I recall TSE townread Vork

so we either lynch vork and go after tse pending the flip or he executes and demonstrates that he isnt a fibber.

he's just a weaker dayvig with that power.

Then why am I not a corpse

[Titus]

because something something spiderman.


i really dont know the details or else id be hard pushing him or hard defending him

And why do you not know those details?

[Titus]

ummm because im a midlevel retail worker and its the holiday season?

Fair enough. I wanted you to think of players who impacted you because I assumed everyone but md has no life atm.

[Titus]

VOTE: Titus

Why aren't you shooting me or Vork?

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I’d quite like one of dave/miss lynch/amrun to case me because I think it’ll be a lot harder to do than it is to just throw shade in my direction and give me clear arguments on why I’m scummy and where that I can actually argue with

I’d prefer miss lynch out of everyone.
As their entire ISO is just shading others.

This is his last post before voting me.

Miss Lynch is voting me.

Highlighting the obvious here.

[Titus]

Titus, you’re within execution range. You should probably claim.

P-edit: it was a joke, Dave.

I'm not claiming until I get an answer from TSE about why he hasn't shot Vork or why he's aligning with his top suspect.

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Second, I am pretty certain TSE is faking and only voting me because I called him out.

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Well, I know a way we could force TSE to answer, put Vork in hammer range.

If I had important, urgent info to out that couldn't be figured out by my flip+hypothetical crumbs (if applicable), I would have.

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Xofelf, what are your feelings on Vork? I only remember your post on me.

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Pretty sure he is executable.

TSE is likely just as fake.

TSE has also stopped posting.

[Titus]

Like am I okay to lynch this? Yes. Is it my preference? Not really. I am sorry you're going through a bunch of stuff and maybe that is why you come across vastly different than my townTitus experiences with you(I think that's all i've had so far??? idkkk) but, something feels off with you that I don't believe is just that. Maybe you claim and I understand why you feel off, but yeah idk. You aren't my top uncomfy player slot, just the one that I think could in fact be lynched today in the deadline we got.

I largely get this. I haven't done larger, meta analysis I am known for. That's fair. In fact, I feel yours is one of the few decent votes on me. I still hope that you'll see the gears starting to move now.

However, I won't claim to correct you. Claiming here is stupid.

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Like am I okay to lynch this? Yes. Is it my preference? Not really. I am sorry you're going through a bunch of stuff and maybe that is why you come across vastly different than my townTitus experiences with you(I think that's all i've had so far??? idkkk) but, something feels off with you that I don't believe is just that. Maybe you claim and I understand why you feel off, but yeah idk. You aren't my top uncomfy player slot, just the one that I think could in fact be lynched today in the deadline we got.

I largely get this. I haven't done larger, meta analysis I am known for. That's fair. In fact, I feel yours is one of the few decent votes on me. I still hope that you'll see the gears starting to move now.

However, I won't claim to correct you. Claiming here is stupid.

Serious question - do you feel my vote on you is bad? If so - why?

First, it's been predicated on a large pool guilty you outed early.
Second, you've done zero analysis on the people who did jump on.
Third, you've largely only talked about me when I have been here.

I have asked you to do these things and got crickets.

I can draw a few theories of partnerships between you TSE Vork and The Fonz from it. I don't have enough to substantiate it though.

[Titus]

Why Fonz

Look at Amrun's list. The Fonz is on it and has done jackshit

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{The Fonz, Untrod Tripod, Pine, Virgo the Immaculate (Titus), gobbledygook, Pink Ball

Ftr here is the list

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{The Fonz, Untrod Tripod, Pine, Virgo the Immaculate (Titus), gobbledygook, Pink Ball

Ftr here is the list

wasn't there confirmed shooting power in this list?

why are we lynching outside of this?

A) The list is huge
B) The list is not confirmed to anyone but Amrun
C) The list, even if accurate, might only contain one scum, which may leave 9 to 10 outside

Why are you voting me?

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@TSE, Why is Vork town?

Why haven't you shot me or one of the other wagons in range throughout the day?

I'm not claiming.

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[...]
However, I won't claim to correct you. Claiming here is stupid.

Not necessarily, imo.

Not claiming here is good if Vork gets lynched, but TSE could complicate things for you. If he gets back and decides to execute you over Vork, you'll have missed the opportunity to claim + possibly save yourself.

I can only Execute the top wagon.
When the top wagon because Titus I’ll Instantly execute.

Oh look another excuse on why TSE can't shoot scum

[Titus]

I'm going to bed.

Lynch Vork
Then TSE
Then Cephrir

Then reconsider Amrun and the Fonz after that or if anyone in that pool flips town

Gn

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I'm v confused. You were voting Virgo, Titus subs in on her main and then you didn't want to lynch Titus?

yeah this

Because he'll look hella bad when I flip green. When I was Virgo, I was a VLA lurker ok to lynch. When I'm Titus people know my end game utility and can't be on me for no reason.

Oh and UT, assuming you're manipulated, manipulating you onto Vork is a win win for scum. Also, the manipulator might not be scum (it's not me just saying). I once had a role where I shut the lights off and made everyone vote anonymously as town.

WHY?!

[Titus]

Ugh my words edited into the post...Amrun only said why

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I'm trying to sleep again. I think Ico might be whiteknighting but I need tmo to look into that.

I could just be in a place where everyone is scum.

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@TSE, Why is Vork town?

[Titus]

Today, on posts that aged particularly poorly:

Titus has also vanished and still isn't really scum hunting

Yeah but you want to know what also vanished from Titus?

Spoiler:

The votes that were on them!

I was absent sitewide. :/

[Titus]

I'm drained today. I'll try to be back tonight.

[Titus]

Good game everyone. I hope all had fun. Sorry for not resisting my lynch as normal.

@chkflip, my lightning rod go

[Actions that impact them]
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A lightning rod that's started to act cannot be stopped. Nothing stops the storm in a true disaster movie.

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I do want to say that any and all constructive criticism is more than welcome and aopreciated. You and I may not see eye to eye, I just want to be clear that I'd rather not see my hard work and 500 pages devolve into dissent and argument. I'm more than certain that there may be quite a few remarks as such and I just want to say they're welcome. All I ask is that we allow such things to be said and I'll handle them however I see fit.

I still love all of you even if we agree to disagree.

+1 I wish I didn't have so much RL. This game deserved better from me.

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Thanks for hosting chkflip! Drunk Titus appreciates the game.

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I am so taking that for Friday night DnD. If you wanna come lmk.

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<3