Titus v. Alisae (endgame)

[Chemist1422]

Alisae smells using their nose

[Chemist1422]

Alisae smells using their nose

Alisae sympathiser.

of course

I wouldn’t be bold enough to do this as scum right

[Chemist1422]

On one hand I'm offended Ali didn't want me and on the other hand I am relieved.

Like when someone doesn't sit next to you on the bus.

town

But I like Alisae and have never smelled them. Scum!Alisae though, that beezy probably smells heinous.

Also we are ascetic, love you all, and are here to remind you that if you have NU and you do not claim that shit immediately we will ensure you are lynched when that shit comes out.

-Cerb

fuck dude all the pedits.

question what is NU

[Chemist1422]

Alisae smells using their nose

Go Chemi boi!

using your clown nose?

hmm

[Chemist1422]

On one hand I'm offended Ali didn't want me and on the other hand I am relieved.

Like when someone doesn't sit next to you on the bus.

town

scum

3p

[Chemist1422]

I need a hug and someone to notice my posts.

have you tried clown noses

[Chemist1422]

I have a gut feel that this is gonna be one of those games where I don’t actually do that much solving D1 but still get top townread for tone

[Chemist1422]

shit Ank rolled scum

well this is gonna be a lot less fun now

-S

does it count as having rolled scum when alignments were not actually rolled

[Chemist1422]

I'm pretty sure Titus didn't pick the town actually, just the masons

[Chemist1422]

titus, how would you play this setup as scum?

not the treestump, just a normal scum player

[Chemist1422]

titus, how would you play this setup as scum?

not the treestump, just a normal scum player

like I mean with nightkills, PR hunting, etc

[Chemist1422]

I think I'm going to big brain some things this game

the amount of sarcasm that is invoked in the "big brain" part tbd

[Chemist1422]

I spent like a month listening to this almost constantly during the summer

[Chemist1422]

I do have some thoughts about how we should be handling the masonry but I'll hold onto them until they become relevant

[Chemist1422]

This is a "I do not know the players in this game, so I do not know who I should respect the "gut" feelings of." type of question.

Since when do I trust gut players? But to not be a dick, players loosely divide into logic or emotion based players. Most here are logic based but a few notable one like FA are emotion based. I think everyone in this game is awesome. That's how it works with the Wisdom of the Treestumps. I'm not trying to be difficult.

out of curiosity which do I fit into

[Chemist1422]

^ see

???

not quite sure how a personality test is any sort of pocketing but you do you

[Chemist1422]

This is a "I do not know the players in this game, so I do not know who I should respect the "gut" feelings of." type of question.

Since when do I trust gut players? But to not be a dick, players loosely divide into logic or emotion based players. Most here are logic based but a few notable one like FA are emotion based. I think everyone in this game is awesome. That's how it works with the Wisdom of the Treestumps. I'm not trying to be difficult.

out of curiosity which do I fit into

I'll demonstrate it.

Someone of an unknown alignment is confirmed to have a dayvig. They threaten to shoot you. What's your first response?

Same for you Amrun.

depends on my alignment honestly

as town probably claim and ask for time to make a last readslist
as scum basically just go "do it u won't"

[Chemist1422]

semi-relevant

[Chemist1422]

What up

[Chemist1422]

It's so weird to see Chemist not lurking in a game.

Play with me on MU sometime then

Chemist's changed up his playstyle
did you account for the drafting system when you say those 4?

It actually was always like this just not on this site

[Chemist1422]

also something something personal growth yeah

[Chemist1422]

we might even be looking at Raichu soon enough

the pikachu line is not allowed to evolve in adventures

it's like plot armor, but it's a plot evolite

[Chemist1422]

we might even be looking at Raichu soon enough

the pikachu line is not allowed to evolve in adventures

it's like plot armor, but it's a plot evolite

Everstone. Eviolite raises defences of NFEs

...

okay I think I need to be getting more sleep

[Chemist1422]

I just refreshed the page and saw a solid 4 more subforums appear before theme park at the top

am I going insane

p-edit: OH GOD THERE'S MORE

[Chemist1422]

wait it's back to normal

is this normal

[Chemist1422]

This is my wheel decide game.
Everything will be decided by Wheel Decide.Com

This includes the following:
Engagements
Voting
Reads (I’ll try and make them look as legit AF)

what are the odds alisae read this and facepalmed in the mafia pt

[Chemist1422]

TSE how long do you plan on using random decisions for stuff

Sigh. Let me know when there's something worthwhile to read. Until then, I'm lurking this game out.

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oh ok bye

[Chemist1422]

it does it just doesn't work in game threads

[Chemist1422]

TSE how long do you plan on using random decisions for stuff

Sigh. Let me know when there's something worthwhile to read. Until then, I'm lurking this game out.

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oh ok bye

This’ll be fun
I’ll try and make my reads look legit LOL.

And on a serious note, you can’t really say “this is bad play”
Because is everyone’s Reads Correct? Do we always lynch scum?
The answers no. No we don’t.

wow this is really depressing if you look at it at the right angle

[Chemist1422]

but honestly if you're not gonna put effort in why even sign up in the first place

[Chemist1422]

okay but can you put it in a spoiler please

[Chemist1422]

non-ascetic but why

[Chemist1422]

omg guys i have the most posts

congrats

[Chemist1422]

omg guys i have the most posts

congrats

can you give me a medal?

yeah gimme a few minutes

[Chemist1422]

here you go ali

Spoiler:

[Chemist1422]

sorry I was reading a webcomic what's up

[Chemist1422]

sorry I was reading a webcomic what's up

is it fisheye placebo?
thats the one I'm currently keeping myself up to date with

only one? weak

nah it's this one

a friend recommended me it yesterday

it's pretty good, pretty silly

no heavy plot or anything so if you're into that kinda thing you probably won't like this one that much

[Chemist1422]

Chemist you should try out Temtem if you have the time to get into an mmo

I probably don't but it does seem interesting

would also probably help if I had a device I could play it on that I had consistent access to

[Chemist1422]

I dunno I'm having fun

[Chemist1422]

me, probably

I'll try to get more deeply invested in the game tomorrow but for now I'm mostly interested in having fun

[Chemist1422]

Can someone Tl;dr the game for me.

There's a bunch of ascetics. Multiple soft claims. TSE is either mafia being coaching in to being the absolute worst shitposter ever, or is town and the worst shitposter ever. So that's the lynch rn.

The will to continue leads me to lean scum when he has stated he's not going to be an idiot any more in completed games.

Question is.
Are you Town pushing me or mafia.

try asking the wheel :^)

[Chemist1422]

please continue to throw
me and the scumteam will live off of your gamethrowing attempts for the rest of our lives!

can’t throw if you don’t play the game

[Chemist1422]

After carefully reviewing my notes, rereading, and thinking carefully, I've decided I have no idea what the F chemist's alignment is

I might just save him for tomorrow or hope mech solves him somehow

-S

[Chemist1422]

After carefully reviewing my notes, rereading, and thinking carefully, I've decided I have no idea what the F chemist's alignment is

I might just save him for tomorrow or hope mech solves him somehow

-S

Oof this is bad. Chemist is the easiest read in the thread right now. Please elaborate on how you came to that conclusion.

~D

Wait what

[Chemist1422]

Actually

If you picked up on what I think you did yeah

I think you're almost always town for it too

[Chemist1422]

its because tse is a naive mafiascum player who has probably lost to a deepwolf and has been permanently traumatized as a result

poor tse

send tse to the mountainous gulags to realize that townies can be good at the game

Lol no.
I always scum read all the Deep Wolves.

anyone who uses the term "deepwolf" in any context on d1 gains one (1) ego token automatically

[Chemist1422]

If I was actually playing I would be hard scum reading Chemist and Ank.
But Guess what.
The Wheel’s in charge.

[Chemist1422]

its because tse is a naive mafiascum player who has probably lost to a deepwolf and has been permanently traumatized as a result

poor tse

send tse to the mountainous gulags to realize that townies can be good at the game

Lol no.
I always scum read all the Deep Wolves.

anyone who uses the term "deepwolf" in any context on d1 gains one (1) ego token automatically

Why’s that?

figure it out

[Chemist1422]

TSE vs Ali: Spin the Wheel Edition

[Chemist1422]

Which were? I keep seeing Chemist's name pop up but as if he's already been sorted.

Oh - he hasn't been sorted definitively, but my experience with town!Chemist is he has his current number of posts at endgame as town.

exciting

[Chemist1422]

why were there like 5 pages of nothing but draft discussion

it's all wifom at this point

[Chemist1422]

why were there like 5 pages of nothing but draft discussion

it's all wifom at this point

Who is scum?

@FL/Gobble, I got popcorn. I need to see you solve to sort you.

vague gesturing

gimme a little

[Chemist1422]

I’m not gonna lie

I’m this close to trying to policy TSE

[Chemist1422]

I’m not gonna lie

I’m this close to trying to policy TSE

to determine if you do policy TSE you should

SPIN THE WHEEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

oh look it said yes

VOTE: TSE

[Chemist1422]

i think TSE d1 lynch is lazy

at best TSE is vig shot worthy

Oh absolutely

Doesn’t mean I won’t go through with it

[Chemist1422]

congrats!

[Chemist1422]

hello I feel like every post I read is going over my head and I'm not in the mood to lift my head back up

ama while I'm here, but make them not hard questions please

[Chemist1422]

wait when did bitmap claim what

[Chemist1422]

you're all completely worthless

i know you're joking around but this was like the last thing i needed to hear rn

[Chemist1422]

you're all completely worthless

i know you're joking around but this was like the last thing i needed to hear rn

Hey Chemist, I reckon you've been great. You listened and agreed with me on TSE.

Can you vote Pine so we can see if he squirms when we call him on his I'm happy to die claim.

interesting

lemme scan a couple things then get back to you

you're all completely worthless

i know you're joking around but this was like the last thing i needed to hear rn

Chemist you specifically are amazing

ik I'm like supposed to be like evil but you are super fun to play with and ur great and I would rather have a fun environment playing with someone like you over a super serious environment

<3

[Chemist1422]

Also, before it matters, I am

not

solely an Enabler. I have a power role that is paired very nicely with that feature. I don't want to specify, but it gives me some power to detect lies on this account. I should probably be lynched day 3 or 4. Early enough so LYLO isn't a worry, late enough that I can use it a few times and give scum a chance to panic-waste their kill on me.

Hey Espe

How does this change the perspective of your push on Pine

[Chemist1422]

hardclaim SK

does that count

[Chemist1422]

Chemist, remember the full claim, you're a Mason-SK now, I recruited you

-S

I'm pretty sure that Chemist is actually just a mason

hmmmm

[Chemist1422]

me trying to figure out whether I'm actually a mason or not

[Chemist1422]

good evening nerds

I kinda just lost track of everything happening and probably didn’t get enough sleep to understand it anyway

[Chemist1422]

As for Chemist he’s scum because of his first push that was ever serious was on TSE and that’s enough to conclude a scum read on him, he’s been on MU and knows how goofy towns act, this is not town chemist.

wait when was my TSE push serious

[Chemist1422]

/hug ali

[Chemist1422]

I’m not gonna lie

I’m this close to trying to policy TSE

to determine if you do policy TSE you should

SPIN THE WHEEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

oh look it said yes

VOTE: TSE

yeah this is definitely a serious scumread

[Chemist1422]

As for Chemist he’s scum because of his first push that was ever serious was on TSE and that’s enough to conclude a scum read on him, he’s been on MU and knows how goofy towns act, this is not town chemist.

wait when was my TSE push serious

That means you haven’t been scumhunting at all. So vote confirmed?

I literally said halfway through D1 my primary objective was to have fun

so vote confirmed then

[Chemist1422]

insomnia: chemist is scum for this reason
me: that reason literally isn’t true what
insomnia: ok cool lock scum

[Chemist1422]

Yeah none of that indicates I actually scumread him

[Chemist1422]

As for Chemist he’s scum because of his first push that was ever serious was on TSE and that’s enough to conclude a scum read on him, he’s been on MU and knows how goofy towns act, this is not town chemist.

wait when was my TSE push serious

That means you haven’t been scumhunting at all. So vote confirmed?

I literally said halfway through D1 my primary objective was to have fun

so vote confirmed then

Even when you have fun you still try though. You don’t seem to be trying

No one’s been expecting me to

[Chemist1422]

As for Chemist he’s scum because of his first push that was ever serious was on TSE and that’s enough to conclude a scum read on him, he’s been on MU and knows how goofy towns act, this is not town chemist.

wait when was my TSE push serious

That means you haven’t been scumhunting at all. So vote confirmed?

I literally said halfway through D1 my primary objective was to have fun

so vote confirmed then

Even when you have fun you still try though. You don’t seem to be trying

No one’s been expecting me to

That’s the issue. Your trying should be the result of internal motivation. Scum have no internal motivation.

Scum have the internal motivation to pretend they have internal motivation

My internal motivation is to have fun

[Chemist1422]

Like why have scum not taken any attempt at low hanging fruit if TSE is town?

All of it doesn't add up, and the missing bit of the equation is that TSE is scum.

hey hold up why can’t I be scum pushing on TSE

[Chemist1422]

I think RR is actually really towny

Their read on me early D1 was probably some sort of mason cover, which I think always comes from town when unprompted

[Chemist1422]

I think RR is actually really towny

Their read on me early D1 was probably some sort of mason cover, which I think always comes from town when unprompted

Happy Cake Day. What are your FF thoughts?

who/what is FF

[Chemist1422]

Happy scumday Chemiboi!

ty c:

[Chemist1422]

Aaron is fine, I guess?

There’s a lot of questions without follow-up so I’d like to see some of that when he gets back

[Chemist1422]

no problemo!

also





Get your clown noses!

thank you I will treasure this

[Chemist1422]

it’s not working aaaa

[Chemist1422]

okay there we go

[Chemist1422]

After carefully reviewing my notes, rereading, and thinking carefully, I've decided I have no idea what the F chemist's alignment is

I might just save him for tomorrow or hope mech solves him somehow

-S

Oof this is bad. Chemist is the easiest read in the thread right now. Please elaborate on how you came to that conclusion.

~D

Wait what

Actually

If you picked up on what I think you did yeah

I think you're almost always town for it too

[Chemist1422]

I don’t buy the mayor claim tbh

[Chemist1422]

Chemist, TSE is Seth from MU.

I’m aware

[Chemist1422]

Like

Why did you think I wanted to policy him lol

[Chemist1422]

Oh lol

then why the fuck would you vote him knowing that he's town here

I don’t though

The point is he was intentionally making himself unreadable

[Chemist1422]

Chemist your so easy to meta read.
Your scum this game.
As Town you legit push any wagon you fuckin see or can make yourself that’s gonna gain you some good votes.

k

[Chemist1422]

Actually I’m pretty sure you just described exactly what I did in my last scum game against you

[Chemist1422]

AaronFrost wagon is all town

back later

why on insomnia and gobble

[Chemist1422]

Aaron is fine, I guess?

There’s a lot of questions without follow-up so I’d like to see some of that when he gets back

[Chemist1422]

Ok, he didn't answer that, so why are you already evaluating people that are voting him without having an opinion on him at all?

Why can’t I evaluate other slots?

[Chemist1422]

You're evaluating slots based on their votes on someone that you have no read for?

I’m not doing it based on the votes

[Chemist1422]

Like

I don’t get how you think I can’t use their alignments to try to solve AF instead of vice versa

[Chemist1422]

It might be a subconscious OMGUS but the way you came in today and have been pushing the exact same PoE throughout the day feels like it could be agenda, especially if you consider scum were basically losing after D1

[Chemist1422]

Also I just

Don’t really remember anything from gobble except them sheeping you today

[Chemist1422]

VOTE: FL

M&K’s push on him seems like distancing
I think S&W is almost definitely town from M&K ISO
Pine probably town, not 100% certain though

[Chemist1422]

I asked you a question.

oh I thought that was rhetorical

I mean, you could expand a bit more on your townreads

[Chemist1422]

please vote chemist

nah

[Chemist1422]

Like

I don’t get how you think I can’t use their alignments to try to solve AF instead of vice versa

What do you mean by Alignments?
And use them?
You can try and make a guess towards other people’s alignments but use them?
I think this is a scum slip right here.

this is why I wanted to PL you

[Chemist1422]

Also I just

Don’t really remember anything from gobble except them sheeping you today

Gobble has contribution.
I even engaged with him.
It’s not like you to put this kinda effort in.
I except lack of attention from me but not from you.

double standard much

[Chemist1422]

VOTE: FL

M&K’s push on him seems like distancing
I think S&W is almost definitely town from M&K ISO
Pine probably town, not 100% certain though

Trying to redirect the attention from You and AF now are we?

it’s called spewreading, genius

[Chemist1422]

please vote chemist

nah

Why not?
Why can’t people vote you if they feel as if you are scum.
What makes you Town?

What TF

HAVE YOU DONE THIS GAME

to make you

Town

?

I could ask the same to you

Besides, I was just saying I wasn’t gonna vote myself

[Chemist1422]

oh btw if anyone wants a serious response to 3884, the point is if I can solve the alignments of people voting AF, that might help me solve AF’s alignment

[Chemist1422]

Like

I don’t get how you think I can’t use their alignments to try to solve AF instead of vice versa

What do you mean by Alignments?
And use them?
You can try and make a guess towards other people’s alignments but use them?
I think this is a scum slip right here.

this is why I

wanted to PL you

Because I’m looking to solve your slot?
Nice Comeback Fam!

completely misrepping a post to call it a scumslip is very much solving my slot

[Chemist1422]

VOTE: FL

M&K’s push on him seems like distancing
I think S&W is almost definitely town from M&K ISO
Pine probably town, not 100% certain though

Trying to redirect the attention from You and AF now are we?

it’s called spewreading, genius

A vote on someone doesn’t mean he was trying to distance.
And If you really felt it did you would have brought it up sooner.

He didn’t vote FL though is my point

And if I had read Makaito’s ISO sooner, I’d have brought it up sooner

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oh btw if anyone wants a serious response to 3884, the point is if I can solve the alignments of people voting AF, that might help me solve AF’s alignment

that's a terribad argument.

it’s not an argument

it’s an explanation of basic mafia theory that TSE seems to lack understanding of

[Chemist1422]

“solving and interactions”, he says, having randomized literally all of his D1 reads

[Chemist1422]

it's an incorrect theory that I don't think you actually believe in. 2 slots that turn out to be town in a 7 player wagon proves nothing of the alignment of the person being voted. there are all town wagons, there are all scum wagons + town. you know this.

if you're town, drop this line, because it's faulty and try and tell me how your play thus far has affected the town to play better / helped with scum hunting / direction.

That’s because you’re only looking at it from the side of them being town

Them being scum I think spews Aaron town

[Chemist1422]

Like

I don’t get how you think I can’t use their alignments to try to solve AF instead of vice versa

What do you mean by Alignments?
And use them?
You can try and make a guess towards other people’s alignments but use them?
I

think

this is a scum slip right here.

this is why I

wanted to PL you

Because I’m looking to solve your slot?
Nice Comeback Fam!

completely misrepping a post to call it a scumslip is very much solving my slot

Never called it a scum slip.
Look at bolded.
I think your reactions here alone should be telling.

ah yes, getting mad at literally the worst push ever, how scummy of me

[Chemist1422]

[line][/line]

oh btw if anyone wants a serious response to 3884, the point is if I can solve the alignments of people voting AF, that might help me solve AF’s alignment

that's a terribad argument.

For a terrible role.
Which Chemist might have
Chemist does your Rolecard start with “M” or “T”?
Serious Question.

W for welcome

[Chemist1422]

oh btw if anyone wants a serious response to 3884, the point is if I can solve the alignments of people voting AF, that might help me solve AF’s alignment

that's a terribad argument.

it’s not an argument

it’s an explanation of basic mafia theory that TSE seems to lack understanding of

Yet you were talking about AF.
I’d rather vote you TBH.
Let me make this clear.
I voted AF because of you.

I genuinely have no idea what this post is supposed to say

[Chemist1422]

Oh by the way, to answer your question, I don’t like towncasing myself as either alignment

I think it makes me too self-aware

[Chemist1422]

That’s because you’re only looking at it from the side of them being town

No, you are. If you thought he can be scum you wouldn't have thought about this being a pre-emptive bus if you had no read on them. Your analysis could've pointed to both of us being town, both of us being scum, one of us being scum and the other one being town, and none of those suggest a bus because you don't have a flip yet.

ELI5 please

[Chemist1422]

Like

I don’t get how you think I can’t use their alignments to try to solve AF instead of vice versa

What do you mean by Alignments?
And use them?
You can try and make a guess towards other people’s alignments but use them?
I

think

this is a scum slip right here.

this is why I

wanted to PL you

Because I’m looking to solve your slot?
Nice Comeback Fam!

completely misrepping a post to call it a scumslip is very much solving my slot

Never called it a scum slip.
Look at bolded.
I think your reactions here alone should be telling.

ah yes, getting mad at literally the worst push ever, how scummy of me

Not you being mad.
It’s the way you went about it.
The way you went about it was

Shit.

Oh yeah, I have to get mad in a specific way, right

How could I forget

[Chemist1422]

Like

You’re just saying random words to try to justify this push and I 0% buy it

[Chemist1422]

[line][/line]

oh btw if anyone wants a serious response to 3884, the point is if I can solve the alignments of people voting AF, that might help me solve AF’s alignment

that's a terribad argument.

For a terrible role.
Which Chemist might have
Chemist does your Rolecard start with “M” or “T”?
Serious Question.

W for welcome

Yeah ok your scum.
Town!Chemist would have said R “Rolecard”
Or H “Here”

W doesn’t make sense from a town chemist standpoint in sarcasm.

Look at the sample role PM

Welcome is the first word

Checkmate

[Chemist1422]

Like

I don’t get how you think I can’t use their alignments to try to solve AF instead of vice versa

What do you mean by Alignments?
And use them?
You can try and make a guess towards other people’s alignments but use them?
I

think

this is a scum slip right here.

this is why I

wanted to PL you

Because I’m looking to solve your slot?
Nice Comeback Fam!

completely misrepping a post to call it a scumslip is very much solving my slot

Never called it a scum slip.
Look at bolded.
I think your reactions here alone should be telling.

ah yes, getting mad at literally the worst push ever, how scummy of me

Not you being mad.
It’s the way you went about it.
The way you went about it was

Shit.

Oh yeah, I have to get mad in a specific way, right

How could I forget

Yes.
Exactly.
That’s called meta.
Even you should know that.


Town words and says stuff differently to that of Scum.
Your reactions while maybe similar would look different.

Cite your sources then

[Chemist1422]

Spoiler:

titus, how would you play this setup as scum?

not the treestump, just a normal scum player

Actually

If you picked up on what I think you did yeah

I think you're almost always town for it too

Also, before it matters, I am

not

solely an Enabler. I have a power role that is paired very nicely with that feature. I don't want to specify, but it gives me some power to detect lies on this account. I should probably be lynched day 3 or 4. Early enough so LYLO isn't a worry, late enough that I can use it a few times and give scum a chance to panic-waste their kill on me.

Hey Espe

How does this change the perspective of your push on Pine

I think RR is actually really towny

Their read on me early D1 was probably some sort of mason cover, which I think always comes from town when unprompted

Aaron is fine, I guess?

There’s a lot of questions without follow-up so I’d like to see some of that when he gets back

VOTE: FL

M&K’s push on him seems like distancing
I think S&W is almost definitely town from M&K ISO
Pine probably town, not 100% certain though

[Chemist1422]

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oh btw if anyone wants a serious response to 3884, the point is if I can solve the alignments of people voting AF, that might help me solve AF’s alignment

that's a terribad argument.

For a terrible role.
Which Chemist might have
Chemist does your Rolecard start with “M” or “T”?
Serious Question.

W for welcome

Yeah ok your scum.
Town!Chemist would have said R “Rolecard”
Or H “Here”

W doesn’t make sense from a town chemist standpoint in sarcasm.

Look at the sample role PM

Welcome is the first word

Checkmate

Ok yeah.
I don’t normally look at my Rolecard.
Why have you been consistently looking at your Rolecard.
Or did you just look at it when I asked you to?

Yeah, just when you asked

[Chemist1422]

Like

You’re just saying random words to try to justify this push and I 0% buy it

Yet you could have done that same.
To
Explain why your town.
But you don’t do anything to explain why.
Want to know what alignment doesn’t want to explain why they are Town.

SCUM

because they aren’t Town.

Nah

I don’t do it as either alignment because I don’t need to be that self-aware

[Chemist1422]

I got directly asked where I’m solving

Not how that solving shows I’m town

[Chemist1422]

I got directly asked where I’m solving

Not how that solving shows I’m town

It shows you were trying to solve.
Which might be low. But still a sign of potential Town.

NGL you reactions have gotten better.

huh

[Chemist1422]

Ali what about 3952? is that a slip?

See, now if I were to say "Chemist hooded AaronFrost and they're in a neighborhood together" then that would be a slip

...

wh

[Chemist1422]

VOTE: Reasonably Rational

they also hooded me and I told them I hooded aaron, aaron knows this as well

so I think Ali probably did that to set up a fake dichotomy between me and aaron when they actually learned that from RR

[Chemist1422]

Hold up

Chain of events i need to know everything

Clarity

aaron and I were getting pressured

TSE was calling like every other one of our posts a scumslip

then Ali said "it would be a slip if I said I knew chemist hooded AF" when that actually did happen

[Chemist1422]

I need to know about how the hooding happened etc

How does RR know?

RR hooded me
I hooded Aaron

I told both Aaron and RR I was in hoods with the other so they could talk to each other

[Chemist1422]

I need to know why chemist chose to neighborize AF and why RR chose chemist

I chose AF because of FL's mason claim, figured that it was my best shot at finding a mason and Aaron was the least likely of the three to die

The motivation Alisae comes out with this information to spew 2 town is zero.

Chemist was active lurking, probably plotting with Alisae on what to do

Chemist literally reacted as soon as Alisae posted. Coincidence?

Nah.

I'm a master of coincidences excuse me

[Chemist1422]

So we Lynch one of Chemist or RR?

Or Aaron, yeah

That would mean Chemist, RR and Ank would be the remaining scum team.
They are all Neighborizors.

TSE please stop posting for a bit

[Chemist1422]

imagine not tunneling :>

[Chemist1422]

Why do you care about finding a Mason?

it's the highest value for neighborizer here because it gives you a direct line to at least two confirmed town

[Chemist1422]

How does talking to confirmed town in a pt help you at all

how does talking to anyone else in a PT help you at all

[Chemist1422]

- Chemist hooded me
- RR hooded Chemist
- Ali somehow knew this

Possibilities
1) Follower/tracker combo who targetted Chemist last night, this might be possible in a game where scum has a lot of power.
2) RR is scum neighborizer who hooded Chemist
3) Chemist is scum neighborizer who hooded me
4) I'm scum who was hooded by Chemist (false but if you want to argue this feel free)
5) RR and Chemist are both scum (or me/Chemist or me/RR (also false because I'm town but again, feel free to argue this))
6) Some other option that I'm not thinking of right now

I want to say this spews Chemist as scum, I think the play of establishing communication between two people he knows to be town makes a lot of sense for scum. He could be scum with RR but I townread RR based on their play. I want to see how they respond to this though as it'll determine whether I'm right or wrong on my read.

PEDIT: Scum either has a second neighborizer or a UB but that's not really important at the moment.

I’m not really the type of dude to enjoy mech talks and this is just a huge smoke screen. If you get yourself out of the fog, you start asking yourself why Alisae would ever do this if Chemist and Aaron were both town.

Chemist posted as soon as Alisae revealead that and instantly voted RR.

Scenarios in which Alisae claims this in order to further their wincon :

1) Chemist / Aaron / RR are all town

2) One of Chemist / Aaron is scum and RR is the town that’s getting set up

Either way, there’s gotta be one in Chemist and Aaron and it doesn’t change my reads at all.

This looks planned as fuck, Chemist was here the entire time, he just posts as soon as he gets outed? Give me a break.

This was planned to frame RR.

Besides, read my 3952, Aaron literally slipped. This is a smoke screen.

I have learnt that sticking to my reads is a lot better and I have more faith in them. The only way subjective reads get tempered is with a huge mechanical smoke bomb.

you both have incorrect logic somewhere zzz

I can't plan establishing connection between two people I know are town if I don't know I'm getting hooded

Also planning it to frame RR doesn't work because anyone can tell me/Aaron are way more likely lynches out of me/RR/Aaron

[Chemist1422]

still has yet to respond to my question btw (chemist)

which one

why I wanted to neighborize a mason?

specifically I had some mechanical thoughts that I wanted to get Titus's opinion on

[Chemist1422]

VOTE: FL

[Chemist1422]

wdym mechanical thoughts you are a neigborizer

are you a loyal neighborizer? complex neighborizer?

I don't mean about my role I mean about the masons

and no I'm a JOAT actually

[Chemist1422]

Why don’t you and Drixx just post your thoughts in the main thread so Titus can answer them

because it defeats the purpose of them if scum know about them?

[Chemist1422]

okay novel idea what if you start posting more in main thread to uh solve the game together with the rest of us lovely folks

half the time I do that someone says I scumslipped so maybe I'll pass

[Chemist1422]

lol chemist your biggest worry of posting more is having someone else not like you for it what the jupiter logic is that

sarcasm, if the emoji didn't indicate that

[Chemist1422]

oh btw if anyone wants a serious response to 3884, the point is if I can solve the alignments of people voting AF, that might help me solve AF’s alignment

that's a terribad argument.

That's the entire premise of my VCA. :/ I know I said keeping my thoughts to the end but this irked me.

In the grand scheme of things it’s okay

But chemist strictly referred to only 2 people on the wagon out of 7

it was 5 at the votecount I checked

[Chemist1422]

my expectations were low but I'm still somehow disappointed

[Chemist1422]

there's literally a sample role PM lol idk why y'all need to bother going down this path

[Chemist1422]

Hold up

Chain of events i need to know everything

Clarity

aaron and I were getting pressured

TSE was calling like every other one of our posts a scumslip

then Ali said "it would be a slip if I said I knew chemist hooded AF" when that actually did happen

Chemist, did you claim neighborizer before the Ali "slip"?

I did not

[Chemist1422]

hello would you like to talk about our potential scum fl

[Chemist1422]

GUYS REMOVE ALISAE FROM THE EQUATION

WE WERE GOING TO BE LYNCHING AARON FROST

SO IF YOU WANT TO SPECULATE ON HOW THIS HELPS ALISAE, THE ONLY GAIN IS MAYBE WE MOVE OFF OF AARON FROST

BUT ALSO IF WE IGNORE ALISAE, WE WERE STILL GOING TO LYNCH AARONFROST

Honestly I’d laugh so hard if both AF and Chemist are Town and Alisae just called them in a Neighbourhood because both me and Insomnia who are also both Town called them both scum together.

still vibing with tse scum glgl

@Titus who are we lynching?

Not Chemist, RR or Aaron. I'm convinced that slip was deliberate.

Well of course it was deliberate but the question is why

[Chemist1422]

Let’s lynch Sherlock!

VOTE: Sherlock

Let's definitely not do that

[Chemist1422]

I think the vig should shoot Ali

Let’s lynch Sherlock!

VOTE: Sherlock

Let's definitely not do that

When your saying “let’s”
Who are you referring to?

it was in response to bitmap saying "let's"

[Chemist1422]

so many good lynch options being considered man

should i be greedy and try and lynch flavor leaf

Yes

TSE locktown btw

No

[Chemist1422]

that being said why are people (myself included really) assuming there's a vig

p-edit: thanks titus

[Chemist1422]

Can we just lynch Sherlock?

I would say with 90% confidence that Makaito spewed them clear

[Chemist1422]

Ooooo, Chemist has some big scum equity.

Sherlock’s town, like come on. He started that Maki wagon, and absolutely was not going to be able to have it go through without me slingshotting him.

oh wow flavor called me scum I feel accomplished

[Chemist1422]

which would make the neighborizers bait, and mostly likely town

[Chemist1422]

and I think that's objectively dumb

[Chemist1422]

Chemist, this is not shade or a criticism, but I am curious why you care more about this game than almost any game I've seen you play before. Do you just open up more to TSE and Insomnia or something or...?

-S

I've gotten this comment like 5 times in the past few weeks so I'm gonna say I'm doing something well

[Chemist1422]

I only know Scum!Chemist Neutral!Chemist and Town!Chemist.

i only know eat hot chip and lie

[Chemist1422]

Wait one last thing before I go.

@S&W
For a better read on Chemist look at this scum game.
He did the exact same thing.
https://forum.mafia451.com/t/game-threa ... n/3581/389

You’ll understand how he should be treated as scum RN.

oh yeah this was the game I was talking about when I said you were misrepping my town meta

[Chemist1422]

That game is also an example of “Stupid Town”
They were so keen in Wisp being scum.
They didn’t want to believe Chemist framed Wisp. (Some did including myself but not enough)
I too though Wisp was scum with the cop check.
Until you know.
I ENGAGED WITH HIM.
And felt a town Vibe spewing from him.

God do you ever shut up

[Chemist1422]

up to page 164:
current thoughts are that AaronFF is town for Mason reasons
is being wagoned hard already and Ali comes out and does that dumb slip
insomnia completely right about Misty happening to be online at the same time is real bad for him
Ali "slips" to WIFOM us and the aim was to make Misty look townier because "why would Ali do something which is heavily incriminating a scum buddy"
Ali was expecting us to come to the conclusion of "oh, maybe scum has a PT cop" and to think Misty frame was happening
no one comes to that conclusion so Ali is forced to bring it up
only weird thing about this is why Ali wouldn't tell a acum partner to bring it up but maybe that's a bad idea as it can potentially really badly incriminate said person
anyway feeling good about Misty scum all things considered

and yeah gunsmithed RR and got a guilty should probably mention that

By Misty you mean Chemist right?
If so then yeah.
I honestly think the remaining scum team is exactly Chemist, Bitmap and RR.

then why would RR neighborize me

[Chemist1422]

do I have to read the last 24 pages or should I skip them

[Chemist1422]

Chemist does that Bullshit.
Honestly I don’t like the way Chemist plays TBF.

oh boy

[Chemist1422]

if aaron doesn't flip scum i'm eating my red clown nose

AF is being manipulated by Chemist

TRUST ME

I’VE PLAYER WITH CHEMIST LONGER THEN ANYONE HERE.
IK FOR A FACT CHEMIST IS SCUM MANIPULATING AF.

god I cannot wait until I flip and you scream about how badly I played again

[Chemist1422]

this is just vfm49 all over again zzz

or was it 48?

[Chemist1422]

this is just vfm49 all over again zzz

or was it 48?

Let’s see how much you recall it.

What was the role I called you as and who was the person it actually was?

SK

Qvapil

not hard

[Chemist1422]

his playstyle hasn't annoyed me because he's fun and I play on mafiascum to have fun not tryhard

ty

[Chemist1422]

his playstyle hasn't annoyed me because he's fun and I play on mafiascum to have fun not tryhard

ty

^ Their Open Wolfing!

>accepts compliment
OPENWOLFING REEEEE

grow up

[Chemist1422]

if I had a treestump game it’d probably be against ali, mena, or datisi

[Chemist1422]

if I had a treestump game it’d probably be against ali, mena, or datisi

That’s because your scared of me.

no comment

[Chemist1422]

look at allllll those chickens

[Chemist1422]

Yeah Chemist, just claim wolf already

ok but it’s only to bait TSE

[Chemist1422]

Yeah Chemist, just claim wolf already

ok but it’s only to bait TSE

exactly thats the point

I know but clarifying that just improves the bait

[Chemist1422]

Spoiler:

Probably not flawless but Bit->Boon->Esp->Spiff probably hits 2+?

Alright, I'll bite, why those 4? Specifically Flavor Leaf and Spiffeh, since you haven't mentioned them

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I don't see how anything FL has done this game is scummy. They're null for me. You saying it's their scum meta without explanation doesn't do it for me, you linking their iso also doesn't do it for me. You're putting the minimum amount of effort possible to try to wave off FL as scum - not sure what I can "know better" when you don't explain anything.

I'm not asking you to wall post, I'm saying you're not explaining things, and are acting like everyone who calls you out on it is weird/scummy

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FL if you ever make an ali draft list like that again I'm going to policy vote you btw.

Actually I regret posting 2354, I don't really care to push that right now

We're fine voting pine obviously, and Sherlock. Flavor is annoying, not sure if scum. Tse same deal.

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hello let’s talk about these posts

[Chemist1422]

Hmm...I do think that's an interesting theory Chemist. If you can, investigate it.

wdym

[Chemist1422]

Hey S&W

Why were you asking to be targeted if you were ascetic

[Chemist1422]

<3 Watson and his gifs

@Chemmy, I'm not ascetic, I'm loyal fruit vendor, did you get my fruit?

-S

I did not

I tried to voyeur you and failed

[Chemist1422]

If you’re FPSing I would request you stop enabling TSE

Otherwise if anyone has any other mech info to resolve it please claim it

Otherwise?

T-T-T-T-THUNDERDOME!!!

[Chemist1422]

What's FPS mean again

also why would you voyeur me if you think I'm ascetic?

-S

fancy play syndrome

also I didn’t because you asked to be targeted in one of your last posts yesterday

but since you’ve been so vague about it that was my first assumption

[Chemist1422]

I don't think E would pick Flavor Leaf first. That's like too obvious.

MU is kind of annoying to navigate.

Also I think FL is leaning town.

Towny bucket: Esp, Pine, FL

opinion

FL is still scum

lemme finish Bit iso

[Chemist1422]

I mean that's fair, but it doesn't really matter since you theoretically have a soft guilty on me

[Chemist1422]

Not sure about RR after seeing all the ascetic claims. Need to think this over tonight while I'm sleeping.
UNVOTE:

@Titus:

Thoughts on RR? I had some scum vibes cause of that ascetic early claim on them but now I see there's a bunch of ascetic claims so I'm kind of unsure now.

pedit:

I'm listening.

I don't think this a partner interaction

If Bit wanted to bus they would go ahead, but if they're pushing a townie here I think they're more likely to be hesitant

[Chemist1422]

Looks like it wants me to vote FL.
VOTE: FL

You had a scum read on Pine but you vote FL???????

@TSE: I don't understand your vote on FL.

oh look more defending of FL despite having WIFOM be the only reason to towread him

I would like more votes on Sherlock and Watson

Idk how many there are currently but I still want more

Sure, I don't like their lack of content and mason fishing.

VOTE: Sherlock and Watson

combining this with Maki+Kaito ISO means S&W probably town

[Chemist1422]

Nah my soft guilty is on whoever doesn't claim fruit, I didn't actually target you I was just fucking with you

your reaction was bad though

-S

you egg

[Chemist1422]

Unsorted:
TrueSoulEnergy
Pine
Hectic
Espeonage
AaronFrost
gobbledygook
Ankamius
Amrun

Town:
Chemist1422
Sherlock & Watson
Reasonably Rational
OkaPoka

Scum:
Flavor Leaf

[Chemist1422]

Unsorted:
TrueSoulEnergy
Pine
Hectic
Espeonage
AaronFrost
gobbledygook
Ankamius
Amrun

Town:
Chemist1422
Sherlock & Watson
Reasonably Rational
OkaPoka

Scum:
Flavor Leaf

Could you walk me through these...? Particularly how RR is town, AaronFrost isn’t scum, Amrun is unsorted and I’m unsorted...?

RR is town because of I just explained please read my posts

Unsorted is just anyone who I haven't gotten to yet today

[Chemist1422]

lynch me before RR tbh

[Chemist1422]

there is no situation where bitmap goes "hey confirmed town titus am I allowed to push [scum buddy]"

that's only something they do if they want to be able to back out of the push post-flip

[Chemist1422]

lynch me before RR tbh

?.
What is the point of this post?
Elaborate.

I'm very confident on RR being town for spew reasons and I'm pretty sure I have to get lynched at some point since there are multiple people who have been screaming for my head over the past two days, one of them being a nightkilled townie

[Chemist1422]

I think hectic handled the Oka gambit in a towny way

I have no idea how to read Ank and feel like there's some mechanical stuff going on there so I'll let other people handle that slot

[Chemist1422]

Stop pushing RR or at least engage with me on my read

[Chemist1422]

Maybe it’s Chemist and RR and there just fucking with me.

oh my god

[Chemist1422]

no

it's "oh my god you're completely ignoring what I just said and calling me scum with RR instead of engaging me on my read like I asked"

[Chemist1422]

I've been over this zzz

[Chemist1422]

I kinda hope chemist is town this game but think he flips scum

if that makes sense

-S

is that a good thing

[Chemist1422]

Stop ignoring me

RR is not a good lynch today because Bitmap's vote on them does not come from a partner for reasons I explained

Now get off the wagon or engage with me on this

[Chemist1422]

I am 100% prepared for it thank you

Why is RR scum, and why does my logic from earlier not hold up

[Chemist1422]

That, in fact, doesn't answer either of my questions thank you

[Chemist1422]

He pocketed me, bitmap, as well

I don't think this is something you emphasize unless you're trying to use it to push an agenda

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

[Chemist1422]

Oh no, I'm expecting that

The problem is he's saying he got pocketed, which implies he isn't carrying, which I think is out of character for him

I'm half joking

[Chemist1422]

there is no situation where bitmap goes "hey confirmed town titus am I allowed to push [scum buddy]"

that's only something they do if they want to be able to back out of the push post-flip

No. They can do that if they don't want to push their partner and hide behind me. That's part of the reason I try to be hands off at the start of the day.

if you say yes then they're kinda stuck though

[Chemist1422]

Stop ignoring me

RR is not a good lynch today because Bitmap's vote on them does not come from a partner for reasons I explained

Now get off the wagon or engage with me on this

That’s false.
Have you seen Bitmap play?
Have you been paying attention to Bitmap.
Let’s test your memory shall we.
Who was Bitmap in a Neighbourhood with?
(Only let chemist answer this)

is it uhhhhhh

JOHN CENA

[Chemist1422]

I'm not answering questions I've been over before already

[Chemist1422]

there is no situation where bitmap goes "hey confirmed town titus am I allowed to push [scum buddy]"

that's only something they do if they want to be able to back out of the push post-flip

No. They can do that if they don't want to push their partner and hide behind me. That's part of the reason I try to be hands off at the start of the day.

if you say yes then they're kinda stuck though

Hi Chemist.

Bussing is a thing.

The point of bussing is to get cred if the person you're bussing flips, which doesn't really work out if a town member told you to vote the flipped