Big Four Mafia! Game Over!

[gobbledygook]

MyLo is straight chicken feed. Can never escape it once it occurs.

Pedit: JJH what’s your flavor

[gobbledygook]

Also who did you hide behind last night

[gobbledygook]

Why are you lying about being ascetic

I’m not but this is only making you more scummy.

Was it any proven Yurkin had a doublevote D1?

It was.

[gobbledygook]

For Whom The Bell Tolls - VC 1.4

yurkin (3): Alchemist21, Blatant Scum, Gyro Zeppeli
pisskop (2): YodaVader, Flubbernugget
Crimson97 (2): Lavender, Doctor Drew
Very cool and not mafia (2): yurkin
Jamelia (1): Very cool and not mafia
MicroChip8328 (1): pisskop
Flubbernugget (1): TrueSoulEnergy
Gyro Zeppeli (1): Egix96

Not Voting (5): Emperor flippyNips, Joan of Arc, Crimson97, Jamelia, MicroChip8328,


With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch
Day 1 ends on November 10, 2019 at 8:45pm EST in (expired on 2019-11-10 20:45:00)

[gobbledygook]

guess my theory is proven wrong then

If so, what was the theory?

[gobbledygook]

Again, if we're looking for a vanillaizer a scum 1-shot neighborizer + vanillaizer vs town 1-shot neighborizer doesn't make much sense here

Why doesn’t it make much sense?

[gobbledygook]

What are the odds vanillaizer abstained (or is gated) and scum decided to fakeclaim vanillaized?

I think one of the vanillalized fakeclaimed. Not sure which one though.

[gobbledygook]

What are the odds vanillaizer abstained (or is gated) and scum decided to fakeclaim vanillaized?

I think one of the vanillalized fakeclaimed. Not sure which one though.

In that case likely BS

Why him?

[gobbledygook]

chennisden claiming to have targeted his buddy is not something very farfetched

When did he target his buddy?

[gobbledygook]

Also why is that something you can see Chennisden doing?

[gobbledygook]

Also why is that something you can see Chennisden doing?

Also why is it scum indicative

[gobbledygook]

Also who did you hide behind last night

Creature


Also I'm going to answer the flavour question last because I'm gonna do a thing with it, so you're gonna have to wait till Yurkin claims.

No you should claim now.

[gobbledygook]

But also don't lie about modifiers and expect me not to notice

Still not lying. But keep scum claiming.

[gobbledygook]

Also who did you hide behind last night

Creature


Also I'm going to answer the flavour question last because I'm gonna do a thing with it, so you're gonna have to wait till Yurkin claims.

No you should claim now.

I'm pretty sure my thing is better than yours but if you can tell me why Titus' flip was interesting I'll tell you my flavour now

I’m not sure I understand. What does Titus have to do with claiming?

[gobbledygook]

I’m not sure I understand. What does Titus have to do with claiming?

You'd be able to show me you possess a certain level of observation

Titus was conftown from masons. It isn’t really interesting that she died. Other than me and Chennisden being alive as investigatuves.

[gobbledygook]

Also why is that something you can see Chennisden doing?

Also why is that something you can see Chennisden doing?

Also why is it scum indicative

Creature can you answer this

[gobbledygook]

Players I personally won't need to bother about today:
Me
yurkin
jjh

Players I will need to bother about today:
gobbledyck (yeah sorry still gotta check stuff but you're pretty high in list tbh)
Doctor Drew
chennisden
Yodathreadevader
chennisden
Bullshit Scum
chennisden

I am curious how you came to these groupings.

[gobbledygook]

We aren’t lynching BS today. We might not be lynching JJH today.

[gobbledygook]

Stop being so melodramatic.

[gobbledygook]

That is a pretty weak reason to not want to kill JJH.

[gobbledygook]

That is a pretty weak reason to not want to kill JJH.

If he's town he gets 1 or 2 chances to get himself off the PoE

That’s exactly why he claimed non-weak hider.

[gobbledygook]

He can still die hiding behind NK targets

Not if he’s scum lol

He claimed this in MyLo so he could make this exact argument you’re making because it’s “better utility” to not lynch him.

[gobbledygook]

VOTE: JJH

[gobbledygook]

JJH is scum.

[gobbledygook]

Yurkin and JJh refusing to flavor claim is a scum claim.

[gobbledygook]

Since I'm still awake let's have this

VOTE: Gobble

Why are you lying about being ascetic

I’m not. Not sure why you think I’m lying but this vote confirms you’re scum.

[gobbledygook]

Why did you target Creature of all people to hide behind? You know about a successful scum lynch we can afford one townie death but it has to be at night. Hiding behind Creature makes literally 0 sense from that perspective. It would have made way more sense to hide behind Titus for one, me, or even Chennisden.

[gobbledygook]

I didn't feel like dying after I noticed something with the Alch flip that I'll get on to later

Dude you’re literally just stalling so that you know what instrument to claim.

[gobbledygook]

I didn't feel like dying after I noticed something with the Alch flip that I'll get on to later

Dude you’re literally just stalling so that you know what instrument to claim.

Scum demonstratably have fakeclaims and I would like Yurkin to claim before me for MULTIPLE different reasons, all of which I will explain in due course but at least 2 of them lose their value if I say them

I really doubt what you say is going to be important because you make you’re about to setup spec unless you’re lying about being a hider and you have role related information.

[gobbledygook]

Gobble I would like you to explain now why you would do that

Or explain why those posts don't show you're ascetic

Im obviously not ascetic. I was vanillalized last night. The fact that JJh INSTANTLY knows I’m lying shows he had prior knowledge I can’t have a result means he knows scum vanillalized me.

[gobbledygook]

Damnit

I've been working on the assumption you were town Gobble

I am town. JJH made a claim of hider for literally the reasons that Creature is trying to spew into the game to give him plausible deniability when creature flips scum.

[gobbledygook]

But JJh master fake claim/setup extraordinare has been almost completely silent on that front until I asked him point blank yesterday about Alch and drew and even then he was trying to keep his options open because I was waffling so hard he thought he could still buy a mislynch from me.

Like JJh is not stupid. He knows he’s suspected. He knows he can reduce the lynch pool without any repercussions to town and hides behind CREATURE. One of the most suspected people in the game other than Alch yesterday.

[gobbledygook]

That relies on the assumption Creature flips scum.

I mean they’re both scum but I would rather get rid of JJH because I think he/Yoda are the vanillalizer. They are the only unconfirmed roles so we should be aiming there explicitly because we KNOW a vanillalizer exists.

[gobbledygook]

I don't get the jump from "he knew I was lying" to "he's totally scum"

I mean he’s scum for his fencesitting on Alch/Drew claim yesterday when he has previously stated in this claim he would know a fake claim, for his lurking going into MyLo, and for his super suboptimal Creature hide. Him knowing I was lying is just icing on the cake.

[gobbledygook]

There's also basically no more town power so the "going for vanillaizer" think starts to look more and more like an excuse

YOU ARE STILL A TOWN POWER DUDE. IF YODA ON THE OFF CHANCE IS TELLING THE TRITH ITS POSSIBLE YOU GET A GOOD RESULT. I would rather that then go for Creature. Especially when I think JJh and Alch were the puppeteers behind that Alch fakeclaim yesterday

[gobbledygook]

Like wtf. Why hide behind Creature. I was entertaining that in some weird world your role exists but the creature hide is just literally awful. I can’t think of a single protown reason to do that.

[gobbledygook]

I mean Chennis you also misplayed by claiming your result first thing. You could have found the vanillalizer so you claiming immediately let’s them off Scott free

[gobbledygook]

I’m gonna literally suicide if Chennis is scum and I’m left with a town comprising two of Yoda, Yurkin, BS. Like holy hell is that a team to carry

[gobbledygook]

I mean this setup is massively scumsided with a vanillalizer. It’s so stupid hoenstly. That role should never be used imo

[gobbledygook]

I mean they’re both scum but I would rather get rid of JJH because I think he/Yoda are the vanillalizer.

chennis tracked him to nowhere N3 the same night Drew was vanillaized?

Ugh you’re fucking right. Unless Chennis scum which if you’re town is a possibility so hmmm you’re automatically discounting that

[gobbledygook]

Like wtf. Why hide behind Creature. I was entertaining that in some weird world your role exists but the creature hide is just literally awful. I can’t think of a single protown reason to do that.

The track on Drew was way worse imo

No I don’t think so. Drew could have been the vanillalizer

[gobbledygook]

I am feeling surprisingly more lukewarm to a Creature lynch rn

Same. Ngl his ATE got me. I’m feeling JJh or Yoda. At this point only technically you and Yoda can be vanillalizer from my POV. Unless you’re scum with Drew

But JJH just screams scum to me.

[gobbledygook]

I really think the team is JJh + Yoda + Creature/Yurkin

[gobbledygook]

No

There's no reason BS can't be vanillaizer

I don’t think the vanillalizer claims being vanillalized night 2 and then DoESNT vanillalized tacked the one thing that could ruin his fakeclaim again unless you’re scum

[gobbledygook]

Do you want to know what was interesting about Titus flip, since it doesn't directly play into the thing I want to do

I still cannot think of what you mean by this. I did not think it sober and I did not think it drunk. I’m wine drunk now so

[gobbledygook]

Pisskop claimed that he and Titus had the same flavour but in different bands
But obviously we now know that's not true

Ok..?

[gobbledygook]

lol this gonna be more shade at me cause eve said she’s same band memener as bs I bet

[gobbledygook]

If the team is Drew Chennis JJh Shame on you for not killing Creature

[gobbledygook]

bbledygook - I assume proven flavorco

I don’t think I am

[gobbledygook]

Fuck it idc. This setup is not fair to town at anyrate

VOTE: Yoda

[gobbledygook]

Also when I flip btw I flip AS vanilla. Like you won’t know the actual wordage of my ability until endgame. Vanillalizer such a stupid role

[gobbledygook]

If the MFER doesn’t hide behind ME he is scum.

[gobbledygook]

Gobble you are not the most likely nightkill

If we kill the vanillalizer I agree
If we do not kill the vanillalizer I donnot agree


Basically

If Yoda Vanillaliizer -> hide behind you
If Yoda not vanillalizer -> hide behind me

[gobbledygook]

Also you understand the issue of giving JJH a public hide target right

Scum can target someone else you know that?

They kill someone like BS Yurkin or Drew who all have a hefty amount of wifom on them

[gobbledygook]

And it would confirm my side of story as flipping as vanilla. I feel like that would be good

[gobbledygook]

The strongest things I feel are Chennisden town followed by Drew town. If those are wrong, I will he upset. Otherwise, pretty much everyone else could be scum.

[gobbledygook]

So you guy are willing to hedge your bets on a player who could possibly be scum versus a player who you are more certain is scum? My vote is going to stay on the person who I know is scum.

VOTE: Blatant

How do you know Blatant is scum?

[gobbledygook]

Creature, if you want yurkin dead you should start pushing for the change in the world you want

im14andthisisdeep

[gobbledygook]

Wait BS, your signature is hilarious

[gobbledygook]

How would modkilling affect game play? Would it be like lynching? I believe we are in MyLo, so would a modkill cause an auto scum win? If that's the case, please let the slot stay.

Technically, if Yurkin is town and gets modkilled it wouldn’t end the game for us. It would send us to night where we lose the game lol.

It depends on the moderators modkilled policies too. Some will let the day continue if a modkilled happens, that would be ideal because it wouldn’t change the lynch threshold.

[gobbledygook]

If Yoda is town we are just waiting on scum quick hammer

[gobbledygook]

Gobble you are not the most likely nightkill

If we kill the vanillalizer I agree
If we do not kill the vanillalizer I donnot agree


Basically

If Yoda Vanillaliizer -> hide behind you
If Yoda not vanillalizer -> hide behind me

Quoting this so it isn’t lost.

[gobbledygook]

@mod

do we know if we get vanillized?

Why did he ask this?

To look not-vanillized.

Nevermind. It was day 2. I expected mafia to target me N1 (so there should be no-kill), but someone was killed. That was me inquiring whether I was vanillized instead or not.

What...?

[gobbledygook]

Gobble this sounds like you know Creature is town.

I mean if Creature is town we are just waiting on scum, that’s why I said that

If Creature is scum... it’s harder to discern

[gobbledygook]

Like if I was scum I would just push Creature cause it sounds like would emo self vote if town

[gobbledygook]

I mean this setup is massively scumsided with a vanillalizer. It’s so stupid hoenstly. That role should never be used imo

Yeah. Cop. 2 masons. Innocent child+, doctor+...

Innocent child and masons aren’t really power the scum needs to worry about and just act as sponges for protective ask it makes it easier to use their vanillalizer and kill efficiently.

BS, did you crumb your role?

[gobbledygook]

If Creature is scum I think it's really likely Yoda is their next mislynch

If he's town idk

Right now from your pov if you’re town, 2 people can vanillalizer. We have to explore those avenues

[gobbledygook]

Eh, not technically. Scum could be lying about being vanillaized to protect vanillaizer and they could've just not acted

I think that’s pretty unlikely in my opinion

[gobbledygook]

No

There's no reason BS can't be vanillaizer

I mean. The setup would be really scumsided if my doctor claim would be fake.

Did you crumb your role?

[gobbledygook]

No

There's no reason BS can't be vanillaizer

I mean. The setup would be really scumsided if my doctor claim would be fake.

Did you crumb your role?

Crumb?

Short for bread crumb. Basically as a or you drop some hint that you are that role before you reveal your role publicly. So like as a doctor you could make some off hand remark about going to the hospital or seeing an ambulance or something.

[gobbledygook]

As a pr

[gobbledygook]

I wish we could phone a friend.

[gobbledygook]

No

There's no reason BS can't be vanillaizer

I mean. The setup would be really scumsided if my doctor claim would be fake.

Did you crumb your role?

I... claimed doctor day 1?

Can you quote this for me?

[gobbledygook]

UNVOTE:

[gobbledygook]

On the off chance Yurkin is town we're wasting our time anyway

It’s only one vote? They can’t quick hammer

[gobbledygook]

No, scum could literally just not play the game

You need all town to lynch scum unless scum busses

Wow that’s actually terrible.

[gobbledygook]

So the reason in post 4039 was fabricated just now or what?

I did something in D3 to not look Vannilized (asked who was vanillized). I thought the post was from that era.

Why did you repeat it twice?

[gobbledygook]

Gobble pls unvote at least I really think it's unlikely BS is town

I think BS might be town based off his weird stances.

I will say that BS, there’s no way that Chennisden is the vanillalizer since his role was confirmed.

[gobbledygook]

Screw it

VOTE: yurkin

If this is town everything was a Sisyphean effort.

No Chennisden this is game throwing. do you disagree with my logic about finding the vanillalizer? From your POV it has to be BS or Yoda.

[gobbledygook]

VOTE: Yodavader

[gobbledygook]

I don’t think TSE would claim a track on his partner as the vanillalizer.

[gobbledygook]

Yoda is currently L-3.

[gobbledygook]

I just think Yoda’s role is really weird. Doesn’t quite make sense with a doctor in the setup.

[gobbledygook]

Chennisden look at the facts.

Facts:
If we hit the vanillalizer we can, force JJh to scumclaim.
If we are on scum and no one dies today, it is easier to kill that scum tomorrow even after a no lynch

Vote Yoda with me

[gobbledygook]

I will say this again. I don’t think Yurkin is town so it doesn’t matter.

[gobbledygook]

Chen why did you switch to Yurkin over the others?

[gobbledygook]

BS, can you do something funny like your signature?

[gobbledygook]

That was good!

[gobbledygook]

It’s weird. It’s like an inverse hammer test. Hammer tests normally test the alignment of the person who has the ability to hammer. This time this is testing the alignment of the person who can be hammered.

[gobbledygook]

UNVOTE:

Ok. Do you have any completed scum games I can look at, Yoda?

[gobbledygook]

VOTE: Creature

[gobbledygook]

But who the cluck is the vanillalizer then...

[gobbledygook]

Yoda, who is scum with Creature’s scum claim?

[gobbledygook]

(I knew I was voting Yoda already for those unaware)

If you’re town, you just threw the game.

[gobbledygook]

(I knew I was voting Yoda already for those unaware)

If you’re town, you just threw the game.

So if I am scum dude

or you really think I tried to quickhammer Yoda despite knowing I was voting him already?

Why would you say the setup was townsided.

[gobbledygook]

What is the town motivation or reasoning for doing what you did Creature

[gobbledygook]

What do the reactions tell you

[gobbledygook]

I would tend to agree that Yoda looks town from this.

[gobbledygook]

Why did you unvote to revote?

[gobbledygook]

God. Creature. Why did you do that.

[gobbledygook]

VOTE: JJH

[gobbledygook]

I think he’s likely scum and a better lynch than trying to sort between you or Yoda today.

[gobbledygook]

If he is scum and I am town, why would he counter my bad reads yesterday. Why wouldn't he just let me sheep them and pass a mislynch?

What do you mean by this?

[gobbledygook]

He reacted to the Alchemist town lean specifically? I’m sorry I’m on mobile right now and running errands. Couldnyou quote where he reacted to that?

[gobbledygook]

Never mind I found what I think you’re referring to.

[gobbledygook]

VOTE: Creature

[gobbledygook]

I think that hammer reaction test thing was actually to benefit Yoda scum.

[gobbledygook]

No

There's no reason BS can't be vanillaizer

I mean. The setup would be really scumsided if my doctor claim would be fake.

Did you crumb your role?

Crumb?

Blatant Scum, why did you ask this question when in the recently finished Micc Newbie game you asked the same thing and got an answer a over a week ago? I have quoted you asking the question in that game for your reference below.

crum

[gobbledygook]

This is the full quote from that game. Don't know what happened to the above post.

What does mean pr breadcrumb?

[gobbledygook]

I honestly regret replacing into this game. I think the setup was poorly designed and the lurking killed any motivation to actually push my vanity lynches through.

[gobbledygook]

Why did scum vanillalize the double voter? Seems like one of the most sub optimal moves made this game.

[gobbledygook]

I knew I should have just vanity pushed JJH. He was so obvscum yesterday. If only Yurkin wanted to actually play the game. C'est la vie.

[gobbledygook]

Vanillalizer is probably one of the most overpowered roles ever. It should have been gated at the very least.

pedit:

I was actually getting scum pings from you, Chennisden, because of your refusal to push JJH. Obviously when you wouldn't have died on a correct scum lynch today, you would have been obvscum. But town literally could not win this with Yurkin playing the way he was.

[gobbledygook]

Someone was a secret third party?

[gobbledygook]

Chennisden, I honestly townread your slot mainly because of TSE's actions around Alchemist.

[gobbledygook]

Someone was a secret third party?

*Waves*

Did you lose or win with a scum win?

[gobbledygook]

I take what I said back about the setup being poorly designed. I think probably the only bad design aspect of it is the fact that the Vanillalizer is apparently ungated. It is essentially getting two kills a night.

[gobbledygook]

I'm more sad that I couldn't lynch obvscum JJH.

I am also upset at Creature for doing that stupid reaction test. Ugh. Town played this so, so poorly.

[gobbledygook]

How did you guys know to kill the Cop N1? Were you informed that the person with info about the vanillalizer was cop?

[gobbledygook]

I am also upset at Creature for doing that stupid reaction test

If just you were patient I would have gone for Yoda and chen for the coach

Yoda was literally going to die before you pulled that stupid hammer reaction test, so... no.

JJH would have been lynched tomorrow and Chennisden living since Yoda the vanillalizer was dead would have immediately pointed to him being scum.

Like Creature, please do not defend very obviously bad play. You're better than this.

[gobbledygook]

Also no safe fakeclaims

and half of us had roles we couldn't claim in a setup with no vanillas where an IC was informed of the lack of vanillas

I knew you guys had no safeclaims. I was so annoyed when my role was forced to claim because it could have been super powerful. Even if Eve had not said Bassists do not count that would have been enough to be useful. But in the end, not really cause you just vanillalized me without any repercussions.

So fun.

Golden Baguette award goes to Drew though.

[gobbledygook]

Also no safe fakeclaims

and half of us had roles we couldn't claim in a setup with no vanillas where an IC was informed of the lack of vanillas

I knew you guys had no safeclaims. I was so annoyed when my role was forced to claim because it could have been super powerful. Even if Eve had not said Bassists do not count that would have been enough to be useful. But in the end, not really cause you just vanillalized me without any repercussions.

So fun.

Golden Baguette award goes to Drew though.

We had safe flavourclaims, just not roleclaims

Oh never mind then. My role was literally useless lol

[gobbledygook]

I would have made a convincing case for you being the vanillaiser if Yurkin had claimed a guitarist flavour though

Over unconfirmed lurker Yoda? Press X to Doubt.

[gobbledygook]

Gobble you were actually really scummy, and I spun a different narrative because it was useful

I was trying to draw out quickhammer attempts by vote hopping so much since town was in a perennial crap situation due to MyLo.

[gobbledygook]

"forcing a massclaim D2 is scummy"

Okay gonna force a massclaim D1 every game then

You do you.

[gobbledygook]

I would have preferred to lose yesterday to be honest. So much less time investment on my end

[gobbledygook]

TSE carried this scumteam my lord

[gobbledygook]

gg everyone

[gobbledygook]

are you saying good game or are you abbreviating your name

good game lol

[gobbledygook]

DEB you have some things to explain Mister!!

[gobbledygook]

DEB answered a question not only confirming to BS the existence of a vanillaizer role, but also answered a question with a key detail about the role's implementation in the game

Eh, everyone knew it existed because of Lavendar’s role.

[gobbledygook]

It wasn’t your fault Titus. It honestly seems like town had less than 1% chance to win when I replaced in

[gobbledygook]

I was just vote hopping to try and find where the resistance was. Alch was obvscum and then when JJh wouldn’t commit to a read on Alch or Drew’s claim it confirmed he was scum to me. If Creature had legit not done what he did, this game would have gone to 3P LyLo for sure.

[gobbledygook]

Vanillalizer op, ty for the game DEB!
Gg scums

[gobbledygook]

He also did this dumb gambit that distracted from getting the vanillalizer lynched and pretty much solving the game. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[gobbledygook]

Congrats drew! Well deserved