Calendar Mafia - The End of Time (Game Over)

[TheWizard]

Sorry for being late.

I'm Fourth of July. It's a town roleblocker that is also a modified paranoid gun owner (I can only kill one visitor per night).

[TheWizard]

VOTE: Papa Zito

This is obvious scum.

[TheWizard]

anything else to say so far?

VOTE: Chemist1422

Thank you for scumclaiming. We've already found two mafia, anyone else want to scumclaim?

Town can sheep me to victory.

[TheWizard]

anything else to say so far?

VOTE: Chemist1422

Thank you for scumclaiming. We've already found two mafia, anyone else want to scumclaim?

Town can sheep me to victory.

wut

I caught you. You're scum. The town will now lynch you, if they have any brains at all.

[TheWizard]

anything else to say so far?

VOTE: Chemist1422

Thank you for scumclaiming. We've already found two mafia, anyone else want to scumclaim?

Town can sheep me to victory.

wut

I caught you. You're scum. The town will now lynch you, if they have any brains at all.

No I'm not, shut up

Start playing the game and stop demanding you get things your way without any explanation, and insulting anyone who disagrees with you

You're just mad that I caught you.

[TheWizard]

How am I the only person voting Chemist? He's so obviously scum it's ridiculous.

[TheWizard]

How am I the only person voting Chemist? He's so obviously scum it's ridiculous.

Hello. 2 days left. Chemist is not happening today. It's 0verki11 or Josh Wilkinson.

Scum are obviously pushing JW to keep attention off of Chemist. Chemist is likely an important scum role.

[TheWizard]

I'm not going to participate in an obvious mislynch when we already know a mafia member.

[TheWizard]

If you want to lynch someone outside of them, you need to get 6 other people in 20 hours. Good luck with this activity.

We have about 46 hours.

[TheWizard]

Wizard, why is chemist scum?

He's basically been shitposting. The only substantive interactions I've seen from him were with Papa Zito (which is why I suspect them of being scumbuddies). Likely he's an important role and doesn't want to risk saying anything that would make him readable.

[TheWizard]

It's also possible that he's some sort of evil-survivor type role, but I think a team-aligned important scum role is more likely.

[TheWizard]

46 hours for 12 people.
People are not likely to build a new wagon too close to the deadline because of the fear of no lynch.
So 6 in 20 hours is a reasonable request.

A NoLynch is better than a mislynch if the latter will provide no information.

[TheWizard]

Wizard, why is chemist scum?

He's basically been shitposting. The only substantive interactions I've seen from him were with Papa Zito (which is why I suspect them of being scumbuddies). Likely he's an important role and doesn't want to risk saying anything that would make him readable.

I don't want to break your illusions, but he is far from being the only shit poster here.
Why him in particular?

His interactions don't really line up with shitposter!town. His attempts to banter with Papa Zito and defend him (while jumping on other wagons) indicate that he knows Zito to be of the same alignment.

[TheWizard]

46 hours for 12 people.
People are not likely to build a new wagon too close to the deadline because of the fear of no lynch.
So 6 in 20 hours is a reasonable request.

A NoLynch is better than a mislynch if the latter will provide no information.

Why are 0verki11 and JW obvtowns?

Never said they were. But the fact that there are wagons on them while another scum is known means that their wagons are scum driven, and that they therefore are almost certainly not mafia (though I suppose they could be neutrals).

[TheWizard]

Join me on Overkill. If it flips scum, we'll go for Chemist tmo.

~Titus

And if he's town?

[TheWizard]

The fact that the activity in this game is so low means that it's very likely that the scumteam is exerting an outsized influence. And when scum are more or less directing the town's actions, the utility of information mislynches goes down drastically.

[TheWizard]

The fact that the activity in this game is so low means that it's very likely that the scumteam is exerting an outsized influence. And when scum are more or less directing the town's actions, the utility of information mislynches goes down drastically.

Not exactly.

If Overkill is town, JW is the optimal lynch because it proves either a)JW was scum and thus scum favored Overkill or b) agency captured town as you postulate here.

In b, we turn to the wagons before Overkill and JW to find scum.

~Titus

I'd rather just lynch scum the first time.

There's no way a wagon on me this fast doesn't have scum on it

VD's vote was the best I think because he actually evaluated my slot beforehand

BS's progression on 0verki11 is so weird but it's really blatant (pun subconciously intended) so it's kinda towny

Karnage's was bad because the check on whether the wagon would go through sounds like a stalling tactic, but if he had legit reason to vote me he didn't need to make that post

VOTE: Karnage

jumping off/on the 0verki11 wagon again. you must be exhausted

I was under the assumption that the 0ver wagon wasn’t going through

This right here is a scumclaim. 0verki11 was the top wagon both when Chemist voted Karnage and when he posted this. The only way he could be "under the assumption that the 0ver wagon wasn't going through" is if he has inside knowledge of what's going to happen.

There is no longer any excuse not to be voting Chemist.

[TheWizard]

That's hammer.

This town is so dumb. The 0ver lynch was obviously hard-pushed at the end to get attention off of Chemist.

[TheWizard]

How did the chemist wagon even get traction, it's led by wizard and Ovek11l..

because anyone with a brain can see it

Oh yeah I scumclaimed as an OBVIOUS JOKE, WHICH I STATED AS SUCH BETTER LYNCH ME

For everyone's reference, this was the post where Chemist hardclaimed scum:

There's no way a wagon on me this fast doesn't have scum on it

VD's vote was the best I think because he actually evaluated my slot beforehand

BS's progression on 0verki11 is so weird but it's really blatant (pun subconciously intended) so it's kinda towny

Karnage's was bad because the check on whether the wagon would go through sounds like a stalling tactic, but if he had legit reason to vote me he didn't need to make that post

VOTE: Karnage

jumping off/on the 0verki11 wagon again. you must be exhausted

I was under the assumption that the 0ver wagon wasn’t going through

He "was under the assumption" that the largest wagon wasn't going through,

while he (Chemist) was the second largest

. That only makes sense if he's scum and knew that the lynch was going to be manipulated (they were likely still planning to push JW at that time).

[TheWizard]

That's hammer.

This town is so dumb. The 0ver lynch was obviously hard-pushed at the end to get attention off of Chemist.

I will teach you VCA at some point.

The Overkill wagon came before the Chemist wagon.

That doesn't explain how the 0verkill wagon got hard-pushed at the end of the day, vs the wagon on claimed-scum.

[TheWizard]

He admitted having knowledge of how the day was going to go that was at odds with the existing wagon state. That's more than a mere scumslip.

[TheWizard]

He admitted having knowledge of how the day was going to go that was at odds with the existing wagon state. That's more than a mere scumslip.

Here's your fallacy. There's multiple ways to interpret the wagon state.

0ver was the top wagon and Chemist was the second one. A townie in that situation wouldn't simply assume the 0ver wagon was going to disband, certainly not without hard pushing an alternative.

[TheWizard]

Most of those 6 weren't 0verkill voters. There was nothing in-thread that would indicate the 0verill wagon was disbanding.

This is a really bad attempting at retroactively covering your ass.

[TheWizard]

VOTE: Chemist

There is no excuse for townies not to be voting Chemist at this point. He claimed scum two days ago and his team has somehow managed to get two townies lynched (dayvigged, whatever).

[TheWizard]

If Desperado is real they should get rid of Chemist, since we know him to be scum for sure. Lord shooting Xtom was scummy but he could just be a dumb townie, especially with him being a hydra.

[TheWizard]

If Desperado is real they should get rid of Chemist, since we know him to be scum for sure. Lord shooting Xtom was scummy but he could just be a dumb townie, especially with him being a hydra.

Then why are you voting Chemist and not Lord?

Because it's not been confirmed that Desperado exists or that he'll kill Chemist.

If Desperado is real they should get rid of Chemist, since we know him to be scum for sure. Lord shooting Xtom was scummy but he could just be a dumb townie, especially with him being a hydra.

Desperado townreads chemist.

Then Desperado is an idiot (or scum protecting your teammate).

[TheWizard]

VOTE: Chemist

There is no excuse for townies not to be voting Chemist at this point. He claimed scum two days ago and

his team

has somehow

managed to get two townies lynched

(

dayvigged

, whatever).

If Desperado is real they should get rid of Chemist, since we know him to be scum for sure. Lord shooting Xtom was scummy but

he could just be a dumb townie

, especially with him being a hydra.

Which is it?

Lord is probably scum, but could be town. If he's town, then (presumably) his reason for scumreading Xtom was the wagon that was on him day one. So either way, Xtom's death is attributable to scum capturing the town.

[TheWizard]

Quickvigging was the tactically correct choice for the first poster regardless of alignment. It was the choice of quickvig, not the quickvig itself, that was scummy.

Looks like I was right about Desperado being an idiot. Hopefully he hit mafia by pure blind luck. Anyway, can we get around to lynching the confirmed scum?

[TheWizard]

@RCE did the mod ever clarify whether your target lives if they're town, or if you both die?

[TheWizard]

UNVOTE:
I think that Karnage should claim if he think that his role is useful (not VT, not Voyeur, 1-shot doctor or some other weak role) and if he says that it is useful, Chemist will bulletproof him.
Do you think that this is a good idea?

It's entirely possible that he (or one of his teammates) is a false inventor. If we go with this, they'll "bulletproof" Karnage, he'll publicly confirm this, and then they're free to "strongman" kill him whenever. Chemist walks away from this with fake towncred, or at worst he'll be in the same position he is now. Additionally, if town decides to go with this plan, it'll reduce the chances that a real protective will go on Karnage, thereby increasing the chances that a mafia kill on him will be successful.

Alternatively, they may actually have a strongman, in which case Karnage is fucked regardless. If this is the case, following the plan you've outlined will be of some help to town (since scum will have to leave Karnage alive for an extra night). But I don't think the chance to keep Karnage alive one extra night (if they have a strongman and would otherwise use it tonight) is worth the risk of him having a fake bulletproof on him.

In general, plans that involve forcing scum to use their actions in a way that helps town don't work, especially in closed games. I don't see anything to indicate that this situation is an exception.

[TheWizard]

The fact that Chemist is not the top wagon at this point is further proof (beyond his scumclaim) that he's scum.

[TheWizard]

{Painting Trap, VaultDweller,

Cephrir

, Dr Easy Bake, KidAmn, pisskop, TheWizard, Almost50, Blatant Scum, hebichan, TheWayItEnds, TrueSoulEnergy, The Lord} for me.
Chemist - find his role believable.
Karnage - this is obvious
bitbringer - solvy
Creature - solvy (1456)

Blatant Scum officially demoted to a Scum Read.

Therefore, one scum is also in the 4 he won't lynch.

(Please remember this as it posses me off when I read from the dead thread that people tend to ignore clear statements like these)

If you believe that, vote Chemist.

[TheWizard]

My lynch pool is as follows:

Chemist1422

The rest of the town wants to gamethrow for some reason. I refuse to be part of that.

[TheWizard]

My first-lynch pool is as follows:

Chemist1422

The rest of the town wants to gamethrow for some reason. I refuse to be part of that.

Fixed

[TheWizard]

I have many reads. But speculation is less valuable than certain knowledge.

[TheWizard]

Earlier today I suspected Lord was scum, but given how the wagon has built up on them, and the illogical reasoning of those pushing it, I'm now leaning the other way. That said, agency has obviously captured the town, and no one else wants to fight against it, so he's probably dead.

My vote will remain on the known scum member. If and when everyone else decides to stop gamethrowing, and lynch Chemist, I'll move my vote to someone else, likely A50.

[TheWizard]

It's imperative a lynch happens soon to get the second lynch, so if we're recievin the black mark it needs to happen soon so you hav time for another.

- Jolly Dodger

This is town. Every person supporting this lynch is either scum or an idiot.

[TheWizard]

This is town. Every person supporting this lynch is either scum or an idiot.

[TheWizard]

VOTE: Chemist1422

Can we please lynch scum now? Or are three mislynches not enough?

[TheWizard]

we have 2 days to lynch someone let's do it

Then vote Chemist.

[TheWizard]

we need a lynch. it's not going to be chemist.

So Wizard stop being a dumbass and a50 stop allowing him to be a dumbass please

Chemist is the second largest wagon right now. When he flips scum, we know who to look at next.

[TheWizard]

This'll be my last post for the day.

Chemist is still scum. I have no read on DEB, but the fact that he's the fourth in a line of alternative-to-confirmed-scum lynches indicates that he's probably town. If there are any townies not presently voting Chemist who'd like to win, I'd highly recommend voting him.

[TheWizard]

I’m spewed clear from TSE anyway

This is a lie. TSE was pushing me and defending Chemist.

VOTE: Chemist1422

[TheWizard]

This'll be my last post for the day.

Chemist is still scum. I have no read on DEB, but the fact that he's the fourth in a line of alternative-to-confirmed-scum lynches indicates that he's probably town. If there are any townies not presently voting Chemist who'd like to win, I'd highly recommend voting him.

if you have anything besides

Thank you for scumclaiming. We've already found two mafia, anyone else want to scumclaim?

to support why chem is scum you need to share with the rest of the class

A scumclaim is sufficient grounds for lynching someone.

[TheWizard]

There is no reason to massclaim when known scum exists and isn't being lynched. The fact that he's still alive shows that scum has captured the town, which means that any massclaim would work to scum's advantage. The only way to avoid this would be if the confirmed town randomly dictated an order, but he's apparently not willing to do that.

[TheWizard]

hes obvscum gogo.

This is the exact same thing people said about the last four mislynches.

[TheWizard]

okay but read the post i linked and stop being bad and realize its textbook scum motivated.

It looks bad, I might be willing to vote him if there weren't confirmed scum still running around.

As is, scum have obviously captured the town, thereby making it unlikely that any scum lynch will successfully be pushed to maj. If there were no confirmed scum, there'd be nothing that could be done about this, as we would have to lynch regardless. However, with a confirmed scum alive, there is no reason to get on any other wagon, given that any other wagon will probably either fail or be a mislynch.

[TheWizard]

i dont know why people keep thinking they can tepidly agree with me and ill just go away.

if you read the post without being bad and you can see the textbook scum motivation then youd vote him because its more of a scumslip than anything youve pointed out for chemist all game.

if you dont know why thats true you can just say so instead of continuing to be bad.

VD's reads were bad and his failure to explain them looks bad, but as best I can tell he hasn't actually scumslipped like Chemist has.

[TheWizard]

okay but your "scumslips" are trash as noted by your complete non ability to make anyone care for days

It's not my fault the rest of the town is stupid.

[TheWizard]

so this is lylo and I forgot to use my ability again

on the bright side, i have egg now

this is lylo

The number of scum is not public info. This is (another) scumclaim.

VOTE: Chemist

[TheWizard]

Almost50 is town. He claimed Hated in an attempt to bait the mafia into attempting a quickhammer (and outing themselves when it failed).

Normally I wouldn't point out a bait like this, but it's very unlikely to work now that it's been shown to be false.

[TheWizard]

He claimed Hated in an attempt to bait the mafia into attempting a quickhammer (and outing themselves when it failed).

Of course, it's not clear that this town would've been smart enough to lynch the mafia even had this plan worked.

[TheWizard]

At this point I'm pretty sure the mafia is Chemist, Creature, Painting Trap, and an unknown fourth mafia (we know this exists because Chemist let slip that we're in LYLO).

I still want Chemist lynched first, as there is a (very small) offchance that Creature or Painting could be town, and we can't afford any unnecessary risk at this stage.

[TheWizard]

Perheps it was Chemist's gambit, to make us think we are in LyLo, while we aren't.

That's possible. In any event the existence or non-existence of a fourth mafia will probably become clear in the process of lynching the other three (if they are lynched).

[TheWizard]

So all three scum are known. Ordinarily I wouldn't care which order they're lynched in, but given Creature's bad judgment this game, I don't trust him to lynch Chemist in a 2v1 after I'm nightkilled (Creature will almost certainly be left alive to the 2v1 if Chemist is not lynched). So I want Chemist lynched first. I think even this town can manage to lynch PT and Ank without much trouble (though I suppose you never know).

VOTE: Chemist

[TheWizard]

Alisae basically gamethrew. She claimed scum day five and then killed night five even though we were at parity and could've identified the traitor the next day (I wasn't online during that night, mod allowed the others to skip night without me for some reason). She also tried to surrender last night.

[TheWizard]

Scum have requested their PT not be released.

To clarify, Alisae has requested the PT not be released, because it would show how blatantly she threw the game. I have no objections to its release, nor am I aware of anyone else who objects to its release.

[TheWizard]

That bad decision wouldn't have been made if Alisae and Ank hadn't agreed to end night 6 minutes after it started.