Designer Mafia 2007 - Game Over, Final Scene Posted!

[armlx]

Here, reading up. Will post, possibly not today as I have stuff to do.

[armlx]

Reactions after first 20 pages only (given the knowledge of roles from the first page):

Top 2 choices for scum are mneme and Bamboom. Maybe jediknight.

Many things probably happen in the next 40 which change this, and I will continue to update. I just want to put these down in case I am biased by some invalid reason over the next 40 pages.

[armlx]

30 pages in, Jdogde jumps into top 2 suspects w/ mneme and Oman/bamboom and jedi are maybes.

[armlx]

Ok, read all the way through.

If Oman's claim checks out, he's good.

Jedi I'm mildly unsure of, but its very mild.

Jdodge is obv scum, though I did not get the role info SSF sent in pre-game as the mod deems it lost information. I was worried this would be a problem when I ask, good thing its already out there.

Mneme is my second most likely as scum. I will post a full case next game day once Jdodge dies.

Not hammering in case anyone has other stuff to say/tix to buy.

[armlx]

Also, I do not like Shanba's claim.

[armlx]

Also, as I almost forgot, I am selling tickets for a local Renaissance fair! Please quote this if you want to buy a ticket! I assure you I can help you if you help me! If we all go the fair, we can all enjoy the Renaissance!!!!!!

Thyroid, ticket count please.

[armlx]

I'm just having issues with accepting someone who fakes kills as being pro-town. That is all.

[armlx]

Yeah, but hiding deaths is a lot more abusable by scum, especially when you can fake role reveals.

[armlx]

Sure, but for a non-mafia group, it could be very convenient. I simply don't like the claim for now, that is all.

[armlx]

I have no clue why he would keep using it as pro-town unless doing so reveals info in some way.

[armlx]

I really dont know if I want to buy tickets now or not....if it was so pro-town, I feel like he would be pushing them harder...

Except he was attacked early game for pushing them that hard.

[armlx]

There were other people who agreed with Schis if I remember.

[armlx]

B-iz-ump.

And

Vote Jdodge

. Thyroid, if you don't care enough to count, it can't be that game breaking. Someone will hammer after me if you don't count soon.

[armlx]

That is DA HAMMAH stark.

[armlx]

I am concerned CKD. All it means is he isn't the lynch target though. If it is a cult, we aren't aiming for the risen but instead the leader. Otherwise, reviver is a known town role, albeit an uncommon one.

[armlx]

Nocmen: Belgarion is an alt account that is part of CKD's role.

[armlx]

I'm more interested in a mneme lynch. Don't have time for a full case (see sig), but highlights include attacking shiz but not voting till critical mass was attained, post 32 seeming really forced, defending reasonless votes, opposing breaking PR's, wavering on those trying to kill thyroid (specifically, on which was most vulnerable is my take on it). Not sure what to think about the tunnel vision on Zone though. Possible distancing I guess, but not damningly so from what I'm reading.

[armlx]

mneme: All post numbers refer to posts in a view only your post format.

Since when do you need to be partnered with schiz to be scum?

Don't think your defense of reasonless votes is adequate.

Also, breaking PR = discussion = typically pro town. The other people, while they supported breaking, were not outed for that reason. Way to use a faulty argument.

My point is you acted pro town in attacking those attacking thyroid, but were opportunistic of your choice of them.

Also like your assumption of me trying to kill you failing, given 0 visible doc protects on you.

Oman: Post plz.

CKD's theory seems ok. I remember earlier posts of mine saying Jedi was scummy until his claim confirmed him. Im kinda worried about it for several reasons.

[armlx]

can we get some pressure on Oman please.

Would rather the mod do that then the players if he is just not posting for not game related reasons. Just a prod + info if he picks it up should be good.

[armlx]

mod prod Oman

3rd.

[armlx]

The jury awaits me to get access to real computer to have time to sit down and make a case on a 65 page game Kison.

[armlx]

I threw together a basic outline of what I saw, if you care to read it about a page back.

[armlx]

I'm more interested in a mneme lynch. Don't have time for a full case (see sig), but highlights include attacking shiz but not voting till critical mass was attained, post 32 seeming really forced, defending reasonless votes, opposing breaking PR's, wavering on those trying to kill thyroid (specifically, on which was most vulnerable is my take on it). Not sure what to think about the tunnel vision on Zone though. Possible distancing I guess, but not damningly so from what I'm reading.

All post numbers refer the the post number in view only mneme's posts.

[armlx]

B-to-the-izzump.

Oman has not posted here, yet has posted 10+ times elsewhere on the site today alone.

MOD: Has Oman been prodded? If so, has he picked up and responded to it?

If yes, Oman is being voted.

[armlx]

He was talking today IRL, not in game.

[armlx]

I want a vote count and a prod on Oman please

mods

.

[armlx]

(Pmed IH for a vount count and a prod on Oman)

Thank you.

[armlx]

I think a replacement is more appropriate then a lynch there, unless you believe his predecessor did scummy things too.

[armlx]

Your point?

[armlx]

EBWODP: Or are we applying Stoofer's 5th Law here?

[armlx]

Belg being innocent makes an interesting scenario. I think no one should QFT Fonz any more unless we would lose under the assumption he was town and we didn't give him multiple votes. With that restriction I'm not 100% sure that Fonz is town.

[armlx]

Replacement > just killing people.

[armlx]

Why are you so intent on lynching someone before they have a chance to claim?

[armlx]

If he hasn't posted in that long, thats a mod issue, not a player one.

[armlx]

I hardly see this as an impossible situation.

[armlx]

AS for Armlx: SSF wasn't on the Schiz wagon, attacked Nocmen who is fairly likely town, attacks Nocmen and Thyroid with fairly bad arguments (the first worst than the second, though note how he attacks Thyroid for promoting his tickets after having bought one himself) and subtly defends JDodge.

Definitely what I expected as reasoning. In all fairness, when I reread I was about to post something about how he was obv scum, then did a double take and realized he was me.

[armlx]

He will be replaced if he is inactive. Thats a fair assumption, right?

[armlx]

why do we need 5 replacements?

why dont you want to at least see a claim first?

vote tss

I'll support this option.

Vote TSS

any reason you want people to not be able to defend themselves when being pushed to a lynch?

[armlx]

More important, why waste one of our stored Nocmen s to do so?

[armlx]

I only see 1, maybe 2 really being needed. UA, BBM, Zoneace, all active on the site still.

If he picks up the claim and still doesn't respond, then we move in, but till then there's no reason to be going "ZOMG LYNCH BBM NOW NO CLAIM DIE SCUM".

[armlx]

Yay, only .5 replacements needed.

[armlx]

The issue isn't with you finding them, its with finding people in general to replace into a 70 page game.

[armlx]

Just wondering TSS, but where did mneme claim or do something to go on the don't lynch list. Same with yourself.

As for jedi, the off chance of him being some kind of CL has been discussed, but frankly I'm willing to conceed that we lose to him if he is unless theres a major reason to think he is.

[armlx]

Working on what?

TSS hasn't posted since his last one here. Waiting his response to the various questions.

[armlx]

How important is it for me and my buddies to kill you and mneme? I can't find your claims.

That's an excellent question. I'm glad you asked.

Your attempts to slander me fair. See The Fonz's post.

[armlx]

Your attempts to slander me

fair

. See The Fonz's post.

Err, fail, like my spelling.

[armlx]

TSS, answer the questions you were asked.

[armlx]

Do you accept?

Rearrange the following to form a well known phrase or saying:

out, ass, it, Blow, your.

QFT as well.

[armlx]

Unvote, vote: The Fonz

Had you accepted, you would have put two free votes at the disposal of people you personally considered to be guaranteed town. (You will note that I made no provision that you would have to listen to

me

.) I can only attribute your refusal to a wish not to be a Judas.

Quite happy with my vote.

[armlx]

I repeat again, answer the questions from last page and stop dodging the issues.

[armlx]

Just keep reading, it gets better.....

[armlx]

Thyroid is giving off icky vibes, he claims good posts are bad and votes w/o reasoning. The tickets are weird too.

Hypothetical Vote Thyroid

Hilarious. You should be on stage.

I believe thefonz to be thoroughly town. I would switch to TSS, but I wub my wittle Kison vote so much.

Thyroid, he's basing this on the first 10 pages, no need to act so offended. It's not actually scummy, but you will be a better player if you didn't react like that. Its something people can and will attack in later games under false pretenses and you will get lynched for it at least once.

[armlx]

Zoneface: Did you read the part where I said it would be bad logic or are you just being a joker.

Thyroid: I prefer losing less often to derision in response to attacks. If someone says something stupendously dumb about other people that kind of response can be warranted, when you act like that in regards to any comment about you it tends to be taken poorly.

[armlx]

Sounds about right.

[armlx]

Which one of those are you and Mneme in? 3? I don't really see that.

[armlx]

So he claims it did but the count doesn't match.....

[armlx]

Meh, thats just him being stubborn/lazy/dumb.

[armlx]

???

I thought you said half the players in one day at one point....

[armlx]

Thyroid, are you certain it went off? Don't you like... you know... receive confirmation?

He said he didn't. He should check.

[armlx]

Mod, Vote Count Please?

[armlx]

Yeah, its a good idea, but Nocmen's restriction is pretty much covered ATM.

[armlx]

We are getting somewhere with TSS, who still has not really answered why some of the people are pro-town and made that rediculously scummy "Gimme ur votes" proposal to Fonz.

[armlx]

Got a suggestion then?

[armlx]

All valid points. I think stark is the least likely of those to be just being dumb.

[armlx]

Mneme: I mean based on those statements, Stark is the most likely to be scum and not just be acting dumb.

TSS: I fail to see how saying "How about you only vote for one of these people on a list of my choosing" is much different then just asking for his votes.

[armlx]

No, TSS wasn't actually killed. That's Shanba's night ability playing games with you. Its also why Nocmen died 2 times N2 and had one of his roles revealed the same as Shanba.

[armlx]

Explain why you and mneme are on there then. Which you have refused to do multiple times.

[armlx]

6 or so of the list are legitimately confirmed. However, the issue is there are people on the list TSS has given no reason as to why they are there and wants Fonz to just agree that they dont deserve to be voted.

[armlx]

vote thyroid

how many different stories do you have?

Proclaiming "the story has changed" a hundred times after it changes once will make is seem like it has changed one hundred and one times when the story changes again.

Kudos.

Thyroid = Simenon?

[armlx]

GAHGAHGAH

Expect things to change substantially.

From one null meta read to the next....

[armlx]

Ah, I see. Real names >>>> alt anyways.

[armlx]

His first point isn't even true. I was the L-1 vote on Jdodge. I'm just not on the vote count b/c of an MoS error, but if you count there's only 9 names and I voted him right before the stark hammer. If you read my posts, I was pretty resolved he was the obv choice once I showed up and saw the scenario.

As for my "misrepresentations", they were when I called him out on wanting to rush a Flameaxe lynch and when I called his plan with Fonz basically trying to steal Fonz's votes. Hardly misrepresentations of the scenario.

[armlx]

Er, what? Are you even reading the thread? TSS explained half his list in early April! And I mentioned this on what? Friday?

No, I don't feel that post really explained anything beyond why other people are scummy.

[armlx]

Wait, what the fuck did SSF claim to have made your ability for?

[armlx]

Wait, what the fuck did SSF claim to have made your ability for?

Strike that, was confused. SSF claimed to have made Jdodge's ability, not his (another strike on TSS's case, claiming to have made your scum partner's role as scum... good call!)

[armlx]

Probably exists as the creator put it there to make the role's alignment ambiguous. He would claim it as he's prob town.

[armlx]

So the ren fair was just a red herring? That sounds like the kind of ridiculous crap I try to pull sometimes... so I'll forgive you for it this time.

Much better than Blackberry, you have to agree.

[armlx]

Nice case based on a missing colon......

[armlx]

Quite frankly if MoS is that anal to not count the missing colon, thats news to me.

Your case is degenerating into absurdity here. You did want to rush BBM lynch pre-replacement, pre-claim. There's no denying that.

[armlx]

LAL is an outdated metagame. It has changed from a dead set rule to a usually kind of thing. This is an exception.

[armlx]

I think TSS is trying to look too hard into things.

Is this what you really mean?

Mneme: You said it yourself, theres very good reason to believe he is town. There is no reason to lynch him.

[armlx]

tss: I hope you're not treating JDodge's lynching order as at all significant -- a few people temporarily jumped the bandwagon to give time for thryroid to collect tickets.

Not so much the order as the fact that armlx is not on it, and it is not short one person, and both armlx and the mod agreed that Stark's vote (and not armlx's) hammered.

Sounds like you are trying to frame what I did as an elaborate scheme that does absolutely nothing.

[armlx]

No, its generally lynch all liars that hurt the town with their lie. In no way was thyroid/Simenon really hurting us with the lie.

[armlx]

Lol. You really are trying your very hardest here to get anything through.

[armlx]

Nocmen: Voting order does happen to matter as those later on are more likely to be bussing last second, but TSS was really reaching there.

[armlx]

Twomz, waiting for a claim is a better plan then hammering straight up.

[armlx]

I'm more worried about how this syncs up with Jedi's shirts thing being what we speculated to bring people back.

[armlx]

Oh yeah,

Unvote

till we figure this all out.

[armlx]

Concur on not being afraid of a death cult, and I want to hear from jedi before proceeding.

[armlx]

Thats more than enough for me.

Vote TSS

[armlx]

Thats more than enough for me.

Vote TSS

I wouldn't be too excited; you're next.

Sure, but it seems obvious enough to me TSS is trying to dodge out of the scenario and claimed right into an already claimed role.

[armlx]

The only reason to think the shirts have something to do with resurrection is the fact that they were mentioned in the death scenes and the res scenes.

And thats not a good reason?

[armlx]

Note: If TSS does turn up resurrector, the aforementioned death cult theory about the shirts is probably right.

[armlx]

Hardly hypocritical. Lynching someone because you disbelieve their info is miles above lynching someone who you are refusing to give a chance to offer up said info.

I guess the optimal plan is for Belg to receive a shirt though and if it does something other than resurrect assume TSS is town.

Unvote

Also

. Double/triple voter, millerizer, whatever armlx is, all that sort of thing would be entirely in keeping.

I C WUT U DID THER

Also, my last post is completely devoid of logic on reread. Thats what I get for posting 30 seconds before falling asleep.

[armlx]

Also, can you bring back lynched players?

[armlx]

Woah, nice one.

Vote Zoneace

Yeah, pushing for the lynch of a doc or cop/vig is really pro-town right now.

[armlx]

If by while you mean less than 12 hours ago, and by no one object you mean like 5 people having posted.

[armlx]

umm i brought it up several days ago actually, but nice try

Its still poor logic to want to lynch a role that is confirmed to do that and is high priority kill for scum.

[armlx]

Sounds like a scenario that will resolve itself very soon without our help.

[armlx]

I'm not ignoring it at all, but odds are we will figure out the issue before it becomes fatal.

[armlx]

Fighting a cult whose recruits are publically known seems fairly easy.

[armlx]

Also, if its a zombie cult and there stop being deaths, town straight up wins if a single info role is alive as the cult never grows (no more deaths, keep lynching a recruit each day to force revival).

[armlx]

I'm suggesting its not worth sacrificing either of the people as pro-town for the info, especially off a lynch when one can self vig if it really comes to that, which it won't.

[armlx]

Also, I do not like Shanba's claim.

This + role based info > play analysis.

Unvote, Vote Shanba

[armlx]

I'm just having issues with accepting someone who fakes kills as being pro-town. That is all.

I 100% agree CKD.

[armlx]

See, this time I actually mean it .

[armlx]

Definitely don't block town actions.....

[armlx]

I thought that was the general plan, revive all who die?

[armlx]

We only have 3 dead people Jedi, thats not a lot.

Also, his lurkishness does make sense, contrary to what you say. Makes him less of a target for scum groups if he's not actively hunting.

[armlx]

Less setting up lynches would be nice.

[armlx]

Less setting up lynches would be nice.

This post should be fairly easy to translate.

To what? My point is just laying out a long chain of lynches, especially in a game like this that appears to be extremely power role heavy, is pointless and can only lock the town into decisions long before they should be made.

[armlx]

I have no issue with posting a list of those who should be lynched (unless its wrong, which I've noticed TSS has gone back on and included mneme). I don't have an issue with the part that talks about tomorrows lynch. Instead setting up 3-4 days in advance is the part I have an issue with. Too many variables for it to be even worth it.

[armlx]

Fair enough, I'm just saying theres a reason that when I do those things its always in list form, not ordered instructions form.

[armlx]

Is there any reason -not- to lynch SSF352? Seems like (like a few other people) he's successfully hiding under the radar by total lurking.

Try total not posting on the site for 10 days+.

[armlx]

FOS SSF352

at the least for trying to pin SK on Sim, especially with a dead SK.

Good catch on the Jediknight thing though.

EBWOP = Edit by way of post, as editing posts is not allowed.

Stoofer's 5th Law is a joke that if Battlemage is alive on Day 3, he is scum.

[armlx]

Executing mafia in a king maker scenario is NOT a confirming thing in the slightest mneme. Being king is the perfect scenario to bus a moderately scummy buddy.

Anyways, your point also fails as he executed SK.

[armlx]

Your post says everything and nothing.

[armlx]

"Dead" players are still on the live list. As soon as someone saw that, GG nice one. Also number to lynch doesn't change. Basically, only works if we are complete donks.

[armlx]

Armlx: er, no, they're not. Did you actually check the list to see before you asked?

The extra votes are a clue -- but without Shamba or the "dead" people revealing, there'd be no way to know for sure what was going on.

Hmm, I didn't check the list. Thats odd and makes me mildly more suspicious of Shanba, especially as an actual zombie cult leader.

[armlx]

I endorse the lynch + revive plan. I'm pretty sure TSS isn't going to die any time soon.

[armlx]

lets lynch Shanba and use the power then.

I think this is the general consensus at this point.

[armlx]

I think TSS is scum if I disregard him claim,

I don't know if you can really do that.

Also, you may want to change your sig.

[armlx]

I think TSS is scum if I disregard him claim,

because...?

Do you even remember the reasons that forced you to claim?

[armlx]

CKD, the Nocmen = cult defending recruiter was the first thing I thought of when i saw that post.

[armlx]

I don't think TSS lynching right now is good. Like I said, even if he is a CL, if the mafia dies his cult can't ever win as we just keep lynching a confirmed recruit and have infinite night phases to do stuff.

[armlx]

I seem to remember reading Jedi's shirt failed last night too. Deserves and

FOS Jedi

at the least if that is right.

[armlx]

I thought Twomz + Nocmen died the night they got the shirt?

[armlx]

Hmm, Jedi prob isn't scum with Jdodge as there would be no reason to give a shirt to someone dying that night anyways.

However, just noticed something. Has anyone confirmed Jedi's role to even exist at this point? Has anyone claimed to have created it and has either dead person received a notification of a shirt being gotten?

[armlx]

Well, the night scenes have said shirts and stuff...but hmm, that really could be it. Maybe it was MoS purposly giving scum a false claim to use?

Meh, its probably more worth looking at once we have a NK without a shirt involved or something.

[armlx]

With a ressurection role in the game, why would that be very shocking?

[armlx]

Are any of your results on Jedi/TSS/Shanba?

[armlx]

Ah, missed that.

[armlx]

Shanba hasn't posted on site since Thursday. It is being theorized he died when a flaming bus smashed into him at 55mph, sending him paralyzed into a sewer full of alligators.

[armlx]

I never have been either CKD. Well, not 100% true, but the last one was Back to Gambits 2 in which I seem to remember ressurection being pretty irrel compared to vig kills.

[armlx]

as a cop (or any other night informative role) have I been given a night result if I died.

What?

[armlx]

TSS, while I believe you are town based on claim, denying our logic does not mean it goes away. You made major play errors if you are town, and you should learn from them.

[armlx]

mneme
TSS
armlx
CKD
Pbug
Nocmen
Kison

Do NOT need prods. Everyone else hasn't posted since Wednesday.

[armlx]

Jedi targets Belgarion so CKD can confirm.

Also, I like QFTing fonz.

[armlx]

unvote: TSS, TSS

My re-read just leaves me thoroughly confused.

QFT.

[armlx]

Sir T is on site, but not in thread. Prod please?

[armlx]

That being said, something is either broken or scum-driven, here. Never really payed attention to the fact that every last "dead" player who was Town is now alive(Twomz, Shanba, Nocmen). This makes me worry about TSS.

It is noteworthy that every resurrector i've ever seen was one-shot. A power to resurrect any dead town as confirmed town, and do it multiple times, seems incredibly broken.

Valid point.

[armlx]

SirT used his ability definitely the night Shanba faked Nocmen's death.

[armlx]

Wait.

Unvote

We can safely assume mafia killed nocmen, why would Shanba target him if he was also mafia?

[armlx]

One will definitely die soon given Nocmen's claimed role and Twomz's and .... etc

[armlx]

Ah, I see.

Vote Shanba

Makes more sense now.

[armlx]

Wait.

Unvote

We can safely assume mafia killed nocmen, why would Shanba target him if he was also mafia?

why not?

Seems like a waste. Anyways, moot point, I was confused. Despite my reread of it twice I'm kinda of fuzzy about the end of D1/start of D2.

[armlx]

I notice no Shanba death. I'm interested given what we said he should do.

[armlx]

I notice no Shanba death. I'm interested given what we said he should do.

Err, I mean Shanba revival.

[armlx]

Either way, TSS isn't scum (result of ability). If/when me or nocmen dies, this will be proven.

How so?

I want to see some flavor info from TSS.

[armlx]

>.> You don't remember me explaining my ability fully midday yesterday?

No, I actually missed that.

If so, RB is the assumption.

[armlx]

I'll admit the RB scenario creates a couple of issues, but none that are impossible to explain.

[armlx]

If we are for letting TSS live longer to test his claim more, I say an SSF or stark lynch is good. While I hate more or less default lynches, its about time in this game for one.

[armlx]

Meh.

Vote Stark

Lets do something is my thought.

[armlx]

We have better things to do then lynch people who have been confirmed at one point pro-town or investigated.

[armlx]

if we are voting who we feel is scum, I would rather lynch Sir T...but holding off for a bit..he is another that needs to be prodded or replaced.

??

The confirmed copycat?

[armlx]

is his alignment confirmed?

No. Fair point given him copying Shanba N2.

wouldnt you rather stark claim before lynching him?

Sure, but I don't think he's anywhere near claim range yet, let alone lynch.

[armlx]

No. Fair point given him copying Shanba N2.

Doesn't seem like something I want to concern myself with just yet though.

EBWOP.

[armlx]

The hypocrisy, it burns. *coughflameaxecough*

No, you said you wanted to straight up lynch BBM w/o a replacement or claim. I am voting stark, but still want to wait to lynch him for a replacement + claim. My opinions on both are the exact same.

CKD was questioning my vote at a point where the player can't respond, but given the fact stark is in no danger of lynch its pretty irrel.

[armlx]

The List Says So (I still don't understand The List)

You aren't on the list and henceforth are a valid lynch is the logic.

[armlx]

Was going to use my multivote to start a stark wagon, so happy one has gone off in its absence (still waiting on MoS).

Yeah, thats right, I'm a one man band wagon.

considering he's a possible cult member i'll pass on trusting whether or not he does recieve cult results.

Zoneace attacking cop results based on a cult that may or may not exist is scummy.

[armlx]

There's a difference Zoneace?

[armlx]

No, attacking results is the same as what you are doing: trying to make people doubt them.

[armlx]

But you are trying, and thats the point....

[armlx]

I don't even see a death cult as a legitimate threat.

[armlx]

FUD Zoneace. Thats all your argument amounts to. A death cult is very limited in scope.

[armlx]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear%2C_un ... _and_doubt

[armlx]

They aren't, and that what I'm trying to prove.

[armlx]

The possibility of a zombie cult is just that, possible.

Possible, but probable is the issue here.

[armlx]

Except its not really proven.

[armlx]

Thats like saying its possible for a Jester to be in the game. We just don't care about it and trying to get us to believe it is anti-town as it just adds to the noise.

[armlx]

Or we could not lynch confirmed non-mafia power roles.

[armlx]

Also, this would be a zombie cult where they keep their abilities as Sir T has been using the Doc Senses for a while now.

[armlx]

I don't disagree there COULD be a zombie cult, but in the same way there COULD be a Jester I couldn't care less at this point in time.

[armlx]

[quote"Zoneace"]
ues but TRYING to lynch a possible jester CAN'T help the town. trying ot lynch a Possible cult member CAN help the town. so your analogy is flawed
[/quote]

No, its not. In both cases worrying about the unlikely, possible problem detracts from worrying about the known problem (the mafia).

I don't understand.

Fonz made a comment about stark already having a wagon on him when I am the only person voting him.

[armlx]

I'm not even sure how I missed your and TSS's votes when I made that statement. I definitely reread back to D5 to check the VC.

/is dumb.

[armlx]

This is fricking confusing.

So either SirT is lying, or Twomz + Nocmen are and there is a zombie cult.

[armlx]

Stark should have 3 if I don't miserably fail at counting again (Sim, TSS, armlx).

Also, good point on pre-cult.

[armlx]

EBWODP: Or cult Nocmen could be lying about his role, though that would be a case to consider if SirT shows up dead as town.

[armlx]

Lynch who? Bel, Sirt, Nocmen, Jedi?

Stark is good now.

[armlx]

armlx, talking about lynch Bel tomorrow.

What about a Nocmen vig of Bel?

[armlx]

Ok, valid point. How about vig the next night then? Vig > lynch.

[armlx]

Also, you are only sent a PM if the person you protected is scum... I haven't gotten any PMs either, which means everyone I've targeted is "nonscum" which may or may not be restricted to mafia.

This seems appropriate given the role.

[armlx]

Ok, valid point. How about vig the next night then? Vig > lynch.

play that by ear tomorrow, me thinks.

Valid point.

[armlx]

Is there some reason Nocmen can't vig PBuG?

Him not wanting to, him rather using cop investigations, etc.

[armlx]

Ok, then shoot someone from the list over an investigation tomorrow if you fear being a megalomaniac.

[armlx]

he/she can pass on the recuiting ability to another cult member

No, as cults would never die if this was true. At worst, the remaining culties get a kill, and thats fairly rare.

[armlx]

In that case, I would agree the cult can wait.

I'm confused by the logic here, but you agreeing is a start.

[armlx]

Happy birthday Armlx.

Happy scum day CKD.

3) In my experience all the cultists die when the leader dies, but I guess I could see them surviving without the leader.

That usually does not happen. There are 3 main options, in order of probability

1) Cultists live as an anti-town mason group.
2) Cultists revert.
3) Above, but with a kill

Mild FOS Twomz

for assuming such an odd scenario, unless you can link to the game that made you assume this.

[armlx]

Ok, I half agree with what you are saying. The issue is that a recruiting cult gains control of the majority fairly fast, but given the lack of NK's so far I don't see them recruiting much.

[armlx]

Also, I don't recall ever seeing a game where the recruits die when the recruiter dies... That seems a bit strange.

Twomz replied with the one answer I knew of (IRC), so I think he's valid.

[armlx]

I know part of it is the fact that he has been like actively lurking somewhat...but I'm confused in much other then that.

I believe some of it has to do with his reactions to Jdodge the day he was lynched (before he dropped the hammer).

[armlx]

but we've also got an innocent investigation on him (from twomz).

I thought it was TSS.

[armlx]

stark..I would like you to claim...if I vote you, it will put you at -2 (if your vote count is right).

Claim please, counting CKD's votes in the L-(N/4).

[armlx]

Stark is currently at L-4 with 4 pledged votes. Even counting each of those as a half vote, thats claim and/or die plz time.

[armlx]

Also, just fyi, no-one has QFTed me yet...

QFT. We need more QFTs.

[armlx]

I'll buy that.

Unvote

[armlx]

Scope, though? Seems fairly likely innocent to me.

Agree, I assume he just voted him on the basis of whenever you don't know who to lynch, Kscope is a good choice (usually).

[armlx]

II. The set {Kison, PBuG}.

Is what the list says stark.

Also, Kscope revealed Jdodge's role as having been sent in as scum however Sim. Would scum-Kscope do that?

[armlx]

Also, Kscope revealed Jdodge's role as having been sent in as scum however Sim. Would scum-Kscope do that?

\

Nocmen, reading is tech. Please respond to this point.

[armlx]

Yay, waiting for replacements and what not.