Designer Mafia 2007 - Game Over, Final Scene Posted!

[Simenon]

Vote ZONEACE

[Simenon]

wrong thread; that post was meant to be mafia 70 in large normal.

carry on >.>

[Simenon]

vote thyroid

how many different stories do you have?

Proclaiming "the story has changed" a hundred times after it changes once will make is seem like it has changed one hundred and one times when the story changes again.

Kudos.

[Simenon]

Fucking bullshit.

[Simenon]

GAHGAHGAH

Expect things to change substantially.

[Simenon]

GAHGAHGAH

Expect things to change substantially.

From one null meta read to the next....

Well, I was thinking more along the lines of "less Thyroidectomy, more Simenon." Me ole gimmick and me play differently.

[Simenon]

Also, unless mastermind of sin refuses, I'm going to start playing with this account, since it's easier.

[Simenon]

Well, here goes nothing.

I made this alt to allow for the most experimental of experimental play. I joined this game with this alt because whatever stupid ideas came into my head, the Simenon account wouldn’t have to deal with the consequences. When I got the role that I currently have, I was overjoyed, because it allowed me to try out a new experiment.

I was remembering Basically Communist Mafia, a game I designed where the power roles had to be voted on for them to be used. I though that if I applied that to this game, it could be a useful scumhunting tactic. If I could narrow down the people who were unwilling to sacrifice themselves for a mysterious ability, I felt that I could narrow down the group of those who were scum. Whether this was effective or not is another story (I think at least ZONEACE managed to expose himself through it.) The fact was, I was not who I claimed to be. And if that majority was actually reached, I would use my real ability, which I will reveal later, and all would be well, with no one the wiser.

The problem was I was forced to claim, which is something I never foresaw that early in the game. And, while I should have told the truth then, I didn’t, because again, this was Thyroidectomy, and Simenon doesn’t take any responsibility for the actions of Thyroidectomy. Unfortunately, it’s easy to be caught up in your own lies when you don’t care enough about the result of them.

Here’s my real role which involves no Renaissance Fair:

I have four one shot abilities:

1. Kingmaker (Used on Shanba night one)
2. Roleblock all scum actions (I did use this last night.)
3. Roleblock all actions.
4. Roleblock all town actions.

My first ability has been confirmed. I realize that there is a strong incentive to lynch me at this point, since basically my entire play has been made up of lies. I am just here to answer any questions you might have, and to offer an apology to all of you. Even under an alt account, perhaps especially under an alt account, my actions were irresponsible and unethical.
--Simenon

[Simenon]

I was surprised by the abilities myself.

[Simenon]

My setup did work well on schiz, though. Going down, I'll still have that in my memory.

[Simenon]

Now why the hell would you use that fourth ability though? Why would you claim that it exists?

1. I have no idea. It might come into some use, though. Say a confirmed townie threatens to use a dangerous role.
2. See the above example. Frankly, I think it's about useless, but since I'm telling the truth, I might as well tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

[Simenon]

Simenon lied about his role, was prodded about it, and eventualy came out as a liar, and while I hold no animosity for it, that kind of behavior as town is exactly what the Lynch All Liars meme was intended to counteract. The fact that he might very well be lying scum does help, as does the fact that we look to have breathing room for a mislynch, but in general, as policy, I think we have to (and I'm certainly compelled to) lynch him.

I don't think I'm setting much of an example, to be honest. Really, I understand this argument, but I apologized and I still fully acknowledge my wrongs. I didn't pull an ABR here.

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Would anybody like to refresh my memory as to why we aren't lynching belgarion today? I'm planning a big reread soon, since apparently half of the players are not to be lynched and for some of the cases I don't know why,

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Simenon will stick to the original Kison vote but he likes Thyroid's case.

[Simenon]

Oh right, belg's an alt. Nevermind.

[Simenon]

Thats more than enough for me.

Vote TSS

I wouldn't be too excited; you're next.

[Simenon]

Which of course annoyingly enough...is the replacement Simenon. So same question.

Yeah, but Thyroid already answered that question. I didn't get a shirt.

Kison: Replace "but" with "because"

[Simenon]

Do we have any necessary town actions tonight? We can test all the role-based lynches tonight with my "block all town" ability.

Right now I'm reading through all the claims.

[Simenon]

Hey mneme, where's your math?

[Simenon]

Do we have any necessary town actions tonight? We can test all the role-based lynches tonight with my "block all town" ability.

Right now I'm reading through all the claims.

No, that doesn't work.

[Simenon]

I said it first.

I have played this game before, you know.

[Simenon]

Less setting up lynches would be nice.

This post should be fairly easy to translate.

[Simenon]

Less setting up lynches would be nice.

This post should be fairly easy to translate.

To what? My point is just laying out a long chain of lynches, especially in a game like this that appears to be extremely power role heavy, is pointless and can only lock the town into decisions long before they should be made.

There's a significant conflict of interest here.

[Simenon]

Unvote

Plan is sound.

[Simenon]

Vote Shanba

[Simenon]

I got a one-shot investigation last night and used it.

Shall I spill?

[Simenon]

Kison- innocent from what I can gather.

[Simenon]

from what I can gather.

The flavor was the absence of a negative.

[Simenon]

Kison- innocent from what I can gather.

did you get a one shot investigation from your role or did someone else give it to you?

Nothing mentioning investigations were in my original role pm, so I assume someone must have given it to me.

let me get this straight..you have claimed to have stopped all mafia choices one night and you have had an investigation?...also didnt you claim at one point that you made Shanba King too?

In a role for designers I think some version of an inventor would likely be in the game. And yes, I made Shanba king as well.

you might as well provide your investigation result..

Kison- innocent from what I can gather.

[Simenon]

why did you target Kison?

Most of the previous day I thought he was scum. I only switched to end the day with the best strategic move.

[Simenon]

I'm back to my old list. SSF352, ZONEACE, stark.

This should be the current list. Specifically, though, I prefer the stark wagon, because UA seemed town to me and for the reasons TSS posted. Besides, he wanted to kill me a while back, and I disagreed with him, probably for good reasons.

Vote Stark

[Simenon]

Stark, ZONEACE
PBuG, armlx
SSF

[Simenon]

Yeah, thats right, I'm a one man band wagon.

I don't understand.

Tuesday or Wednesday will be this game's reread day. I still don't know what is going on with Twomz/Belgarion.

[Simenon]

Fonz made a comment about stark already having a wagon on him when I am the only person voting him.

Wrong.

[Simenon]

3) In my experience all the cultists die when the leader dies, but I guess I could see them surviving without the leader.

I thought so too, but that's because IRC recognized the former. I think the mainstream idea on MS is that the cults survive with out recruiting.

Have fun with legal pornography armlx!

[Simenon]

Up to page 62 in a reread.

[Simenon]

Unvote
Vote Kscope

The targets are running out.

Still in the middle of my reread.

[Simenon]

Unvote
Vote Kscope

The targets are running out.

Still in the middle of my reread.

Scope, though? Seems fairly likely innocent to me.

Mostly a placeholder.

I don't like the way he reacted to votes on him.

[Simenon]

II. The set {Kison, PBuG}.

Is what the list says stark.

Also, Kscope revealed Jdodge's role as having been sent in as scum however Sim. Would scum-Kscope do that?

Good point. [/b]Unvote[/b]

I wondering about a massclaim today.

Also, why is SSF off your list TSS?

[Simenon]

Unvote

[Simenon]

Okay, caught up.

Twomz: are you and SirT still in that mutual protection relationship?

One reason a massclaim would be benefitial is that scum would have to account for the lost night choices on the nights that I fired.

Also, remember that I still can role block everybody, which can buy us an extra day (a lynch before an even lylo gets to be two lynches).

[Simenon]

Sorry, the night that I fired.

[Simenon]

Also, remember that I still can role block everybody, which can buy us an extra day (a lynch before an even lylo gets to be two lynches).

I thought you cold only block town?

Nope. Here's my claim:
[quote="Post 1831]1. Kingmaker (Used on Shanba night one)
2. Roleblock all scum actions (I did use this last night.)
3. Roleblock all actions.
4. Roleblock all town actions[/quote]

[Simenon]

1. Kingmaker (Used on Shanba night one)
2. Roleblock all scum actions (I did use this last night.)
3. Roleblock all actions.
4. Roleblock all town actions

[Simenon]

I have said that it was not in my original role pm and was given to me the night that I used it.

[Simenon]

I have said that it was not in my original role pm and was given to me the night that I used it.

I'm still confused, but not for the same reason.

If you're wondering why I used it immediately, it was because I was afraid of an expiration date. The pm essentially boiled down to "you have a one-shot investigation".

[Simenon]

Also, the more I think about it, the less I endorse mass claim due to the ability of the mod to have altered role alignments. I don't know if we are going to reveal much relevant information.

What risk do we run from massclaiming?

Multiple people have complained that they don't understand the game.

[Simenon]

What shirt did the Jedi give (and to whom) on the night Simenon fired his block all scum ability?

He gave the shirt to Sim that gave him the cop investigation (presumably).

Bizarre that I got it the night after.

[Simenon]

I just realized that Simenon blocked all scum actions yesterday... and Shanba was not raised.

Simenon blocked all scum actions yesterday again?

No, I can't. It's a one-shot ability.

[Simenon]

I support the pBug lynch.

[Simenon]

It was a rhetorical question Sim.

I was stating it for SirT. I was reading upwards and didn't notice that he had already recognized the mistake.

No, I am not aware of the tell.

[Simenon]

No, I am not aware of the tell.

Pretty sure BBM scum is a chronic lurker.

Flameaxe is a lurker.

[Simenon]

But do we know for certain Simenon actually receieved a shirt?

You can't explain CKD's investigation by any other means.

OH, THE HORROR!

Any other known means, no. I'm not going to discount the possibility of another possibility.

[Simenon]

While I see the point of putting presure on Nonny right away, I think lynching him before the claim is a very bad idea, regardless of if he has read or not.

If she posts again in thread without claiming ASAP I will strongly consider lynching on the spot. Claim stalling = bad.

???

[Simenon]

While I see the point of putting presure on Nonny right away, I think lynching him before the claim is a very bad idea, regardless of if he has read or not.

If she posts again in thread without claiming ASAP I will strongly consider lynching on the spot. Claim stalling = bad.

???

We have her in normal claim range in pledged votes. Stalling on a role claim in a force claim scenario is one of the biggest scum tells.

So that means we shouldn't have her claim at all?

That doesn't sound logical to me.

[Simenon]

Nonny absolutely needs to tell us what night she got the result, especially before reading the game.

She's not a mafia cop, or at least not a mafia version of the role she claimed. She's either lying or, much more unlikely, telling the truth.

[Simenon]

EBWODP: Never mind. I didn't read twomz's claim, which is going to make me rethink.

[Simenon]

When you get "no data", do you actually get a result from MoS?

Don't weasel your way out of this. This isn't "some people." These are the requests of everyone active.

[Simenon]

If someone did want you to read the thread, they would have said so.

Ask the mod my question, please.

[Simenon]

vote nonny

im unconvinced. but I'm still in favor of lynching tss and ssf as well at this point.

Is anybody else worried by this post?

[Simenon]

You bet it's disturbing.

And now the target of choice for armlx appears to be Fonz.

[Simenon]

Why do you think there would be two neutral instant game winning abilities?

[Simenon]

Fuck it, it should be obvious that ZONEACE needs vigging.

[Simenon]

Why do you think there would be two neutral instant game winning abilities?

huh?

You said that my role had a "win when you reach a majority" condition. That's an instant win. "You win when you lynch XX" is also an instant win condition. A SK or survivor, for example, is not.
So why do you think there would be two in a game?

And yes, you are 100 times better than any of the other vigging options.

[Simenon]

OH, THE HORROR!

Don't see why we need to waste a lynch or a vig on ZONEACE. Just ignore what he says for the rest of the game. Also, ZONEACE, please tell us who your targets are at the beginning of each day.

If ZONEACE is a neutral, he needs to be killed sometime before the end of the game. He is not worth wasting a lynch on. Since we know we have an empty vig spot, we might as well do it now then, say, later, when we won't be in such a good position.

However, vigging a neutral is really a no-lose situation. If he's neutral, great, you get the above position. If he's scum, you vig a scum.

[Simenon]

God damnit SirT.

I've only seen the first post, but boy oh boy would I have appreciated more time to argue my point.

[Simenon]

Actually, the hammer appears to have been an accident.

[Simenon]

So first of all:
Once the number of players reaches 8/9, I will fire off my last useful ability (block all actions). This is because it's the last possible use of the ability before endgame. I want to use it as late as possible so the extra lynch can be more informed, and I want to use it before endgame because we know so little about the setup.

Assuming we vig ZONEACE, which would be nice:

Belgarion: Mimic of CKD, town. Not a consideration.

Kaleidoscope: Confirmed Jdodge. Otherwise, going on nothing. Possible consideration.

Sir Tornado: Copier. Let's leave him alive.

Nocmen: A confirmed killer role, but I forget if we have any evidence he's town and not neutral. Last night was a bad choice. Until I get confirmation on this, he's a possible consideration.

Kison: I got an innocent investigation on him. However, the shirt could be naive or insane. For now, he's not a consideration.

Twomz: Nearly confirmed in my mind. Not a consideration.

The Fonz: Double voter. He certainly isn't confirmed, but I feel we should lean away from him today. Unlikely consideration.

Mneme: No information. Possible consideration.

SSF: No information. Possible consideration.

Stark/armlx: they claimed together. Perhaps they're a consideration for another day, but let's leave them alone today.

I'm still pushing for a massclaim today.

[Simenon]

Nocmen, who did you target Night Three?

[Simenon]

I didn't get enough time to lynch nonny. I still think the lynch was poorly timed. However, my posts should demonstrate I was in support of it.

I made a mistake on Jdodge.

[Simenon]

Why can't an anti-town role have a multivote?

Because an extra scum vote is a very good ability, whereas an extra townie vote is not.

[Simenon]

I can do a half-claim if people want me to.

Okay.

[Simenon]

Your desire to not full claim makes me want to see a full claim from you now.

Absolutely not.

We aren't going to make mneme claim unless we bandwagon him or everyone else agrees to claim.

[Simenon]

So ZONEACE, you became a survivor night one, right? Or was it technically still day?

[Simenon]

The lack of justification of a poor idea from armlx/stark is disconcerting.

[Simenon]

Voting for mneme because of his fear of claiming strikes me as ridiculously stupid, and is going to require convincing. So far, none greater than "he could be stalling" has been posted.

[Simenon]

The vast majority of us have put ourselves on the line by claiming.

You and armlx, however, have not. So your accusations of hypocrisy are somewhat amusing.

Mneme no more deserves to claim than any other unclaimed person. I'm all for a massclaim, but targeting him specifically is highly revealing.

[Simenon]

I think I have an idea as to what role ZONEACE is, and he should be a survivor now.

However, I'm sure plenty of people submitted neutrals, so I'm not sure this is worth saying.

[Simenon]

We are not lynching ZONEACE today. Absolutely not.

My god it's scary how armlx +stark are setting up today's lynch.

I'd prefer to go ahead with the massclaim.

[Simenon]

ZONEACE is posting insults because he knows that's the only way he can get anyone's attention at this point.

[Simenon]

My god it's scary how armlx +stark are setting up today's lynch.

Aw, shucks Sim. You caught us. We were the armlx stark conspiracy. We woulda gotten away with it to if it wasn't for you meddling kids.

You're setting up today's lynch.

You were among the top candidates for lynching before you claimed

You haven't specified anything in your role pm.

And you're implying I'm farfetched?

[Simenon]

My god it's scary how armlx +stark are setting up today's lynch.

Aw, shucks Sim. You caught us. We were the armlx stark conspiracy. We woulda gotten away with it to if it wasn't for you meddling kids.

1. You're setting up today's lynch.

2. You were among the top candidates for lynching before you claimed

3. You haven't specified anything in your role pm.

4. And you're implying I'm farfetched?

1. I'm not on that wagon any more, but granted, when I was, our two vote wagon was mighty indeed. Quality over quantity.

2. That is factually correct

3. That's what a mass-claim is for

4. Does the firebug play the violin in the Autumn after rain?

Breaking up my post that way doesn't make sense.

I never said you were successful in getting mneme lynched. I haven't seen vocal support from you as far as the massclaim goes.

[Simenon]

Well, here goes nothing.

I made this alt to allow for the most experimental of experimental play. I joined this game with this alt because whatever stupid ideas came into my head, the Simenon account wouldn’t have to deal with the consequences. When I got the role that I currently have, I was overjoyed, because it allowed me to try out a new experiment.

I was remembering Basically Communist Mafia, a game I designed where the power roles had to be voted on for them to be used. I though that if I applied that to this game, it could be a useful scumhunting tactic. If I could narrow down the people who were unwilling to sacrifice themselves for a mysterious ability, I felt that I could narrow down the group of those who were scum. Whether this was effective or not is another story (I think at least ZONEACE managed to expose himself through it.) The fact was, I was not who I claimed to be. And if that majority was actually reached, I would use my real ability, which I will reveal later, and all would be well, with no one the wiser.

The problem was I was forced to claim, which is something I never foresaw that early in the game. And, while I should have told the truth then, I didn’t, because again, this was Thyroidectomy, and Simenon doesn’t take any responsibility for the actions of Thyroidectomy. Unfortunately, it’s easy to be caught up in your own lies when you don’t care enough about the result of them.

Here’s my real role which involves no Renaissance Fair:

I have four one shot abilities:

1. Kingmaker (Used on Shanba night one)
2. Roleblock all scum actions (I did use this last night.)
3. Roleblock all actions.
4. Roleblock all town actions.

My first ability has been confirmed. I realize that there is a strong incentive to lynch me at this point, since basically my entire play has been made up of lies. I am just here to answer any questions you might have, and to offer an apology to all of you. Even under an alt account, perhaps especially under an alt account, my actions were irresponsible and unethical.
--Simenon

[Simenon]

Kison's role is bizarrely scum-like.

How many extra days do you need, Kscope?

Vote SSF

[Simenon]

[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"][quote="Simenon"]How many extra days do you need, Kscope?[/quote]It's not a matter of days actually, I just prefer not to. I already have an increased chance of dying in the night via my role.[/quote]

Then I think you should claim now.
There are plenty of other roles we've had to compromise because of it.

[Simenon]

Unvote

The stark lynch does sound appealing.

[Simenon]

I think ZONEACE is a survivor, based off a role I sent in and his play.

[Simenon]

I've only managed to skim this last page, but it appears people are responding to ZONEACE.

Why bother?

[Simenon]

Armlx, I like your plan, but I'd rather we flip around stark and ZONEACE.

[Simenon]

Vote ZONEACE

This way we can check, Nocmen.

[Simenon]

Wasn't me.

[Simenon]

Why is TSS confirmed?

[Simenon]

He's rezzed 2 protown roles and I personally know that he revives them as protown. When me or Nocmen die then it shows for sure that we are still protown.

That doesn't confirm TSS.

[Simenon]

CKD, if you had a choice between winning with the town or winning with a cult, which would you choose?

Everyone else: please don't spoil the reaction to this question.

[Simenon]

That is, of course, just in case Belgarion doesn't change when CKD does.

[Simenon]

Vote mneme

Am I doing this right?

[Simenon]

Fonz's reaction looks genuine.

[Simenon]

Simenon: I disagree.

It's somewhat of a meta thing.

Also, I see his reaction as less desperate than angry and frustrated.

[Simenon]

I'm not sure Kison should be doing any targetting.

[Simenon]

Why Sim?

Because he doesn't know exactly what he's doing.

TSS: Not yet, please.

[Simenon]

How did Twomz clear us?

[Simenon]

Follow the plan. Follow the plan.

Follow the plan.

[Simenon]

My ability is going to be confirmed.

And someone is going to have to argue why I should be lynched regardless of having two confirmed protown abilities

and

using a kingmaker on a town person.

[Simenon]

Tomorrow night, if all goes well. The only useful one.

[Simenon]

[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"][quote="stark"]

Vote: mneme

To clear things up, I had not seen that Kscope had claimed to have designed armlx's role. My mistake.

armlx is a normal 3x doctor. I designed not only his role, but my own as well.

(I don't know what kind of flavour Kscope made, but armlx is the Goop Doctor)[/quote]Right.

Guys, we should clearly vig stark tonight.[/quote]
After the post you quoted I can't see a reason not to.

[Simenon]

[quote="the silent speaker"]
KaleiÐoscøpe self [/quote]

I am really opposed to this.

[Simenon]

bah. BAH