Designer Mafia 2007 - Game Over, Final Scene Posted!

[Kison]

Hi,

I replaced in.

Who's the scum?

Have a nice day!

[Kison]

Hi,

Nocmen, why did you contradict yourself?

Why did Shanba throw TSS into a black hole?

Oh great I can't vote, can I?!

[Kison]

Nocmen, why do you always contradict yourself?

That is scumfulness big time!

[Kison]

I would vote Oman if I wasn't voting DoS already.

[Kison]

My bad - I'm thinking of another game.

Vote : Oman

[Kison]

Vote : Oman

Same reason as yesterday, only now more emphasized.

[Kison]

Hi,

But with that said. KScope needs to die. Lynch Him Please.

Why?!

Ren Faire was somehow related to Shanba being King

No.

Vote ZONEACE

, obviously. I'd be willing to consider shanba as well.

Why is it obvious and why Shanba?

Someone mind telling me in English why we're killing Jdodge when he can like, confirm his role and all?

Unvote

Vote : Thyroidectomy

[Kison]

If he kills scum, then kinda.

[Kison]

Oh the TERROR

Unvote

Vote : Sir Tornado

Explain thy innocence, or step down, Mr. Kip!

[Kison]

So the fact he explained his role means he explained his innocence, yet he could also be scum, and therefore I am suspicious for asking for his lack of scumminess.

Kison is officially confused.

[Kison]

Valid reason?! Ye be sketchy, my tornadoy friend. In all honesty, I'm not quite up to par with the insanity of this game. I do enjoy tossing random votes like that for a reaction as I catch up, however.

[Kison]

Might I ask what the benefit of the fake death was, or are we being kept in the dark about that?

Unvote

So, if JDodge is a vig and killed Nocmen... What happened to the mafia kill?

It is possible that the kill was blocked by some other means, but I will agree that it is unlikely.

Hey Mafia scum, mind tellin us who you targeted so we can figure it out?
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Fine!

Vote : JDodge

<3 JD.

[Kison]

Lemme try that again,

Vote : Jdodge

[Kison]

Ok, so we were voting JDodge because he claimed vig, claimed the kill form last night, and there was a missing kill, yet we have a claimed doc(?) who claims they didn't block the kill. Right?

So the folks who have a better idea for what we're doing today, might we please hear it?

[Kison]

@ Kison: I was dead at the time, so I didn't protect anyone.

Thanks for confirming. Same result as what I was saying.

It's still possible that another role prevented

another

kill from going through, and I said this before. The thing is that confirming even the possibility would require everyone claiming, and even then we wouldn't be able to tell one way or another because, if Jdodge is theoretically what he claims he is, then we'd have to know who scum targeted in order to tell one way or another what

really

happened.

[Kison]

Ok folks, that 7...

Maybe by 2009 we'll get another 2 votes?

[Kison]

Prodded. Posting.

Thyroidectomy, please do whatever the hell it is Mneme asked you to do so we can lynch Jdodge.

Thanks!

[Kison]

Also, as I almost forgot, I am selling tickets for a local Renaissance fair! Please quote this if you want to buy a ticket! I assure you I can help you if you help me! If we all go the fair, we can all enjoy the Renaissance!!!!!!

[Kison]

Thyroidectomy hasn't posted anywhere since the 21st. Give him a few more days, then assume he's not coming back, I guess.

Regardless, this info can't exactly hurt to get since it's been pretty much decided JDodge is going to bite the bullet.

[Kison]

Ugh. Thyroid hasn't posted

anywhere

in about 2 weeks. Let's just hope he was waiting for the game to open, but yes, please give us an update since you didn't do that

yesterday

.

[Kison]

I'd like to point out that so far 3 people have actually died and all were bad guys. GJ so far . I'm still trying to figure out what's going on in this game I'm gonna try to keep up.

Yes. Although this seems a bit too easy.

Amrlx, the jury awaits your prosecution of Mneminems

Vote : Zoneace

Previously picking on the lurkers. He fell back on this same technique on me in Mafia VS Wolves. Also really dislike his diehard accusations of Thyroid without any proof to back it up. Particularly :

EXCEPT YOU KEEP PULLING ABILITIES OUT OF YOUR ASS WITHOUT EXPLANATION

What was made up?

yeah, i guess. I also don't think we should rush to lynch Jdodge.

This is also noteworthy.

Although I do agree Oman needs to get the frak back here.

I have a question for Thyroid :

If the majority buys the tickets, all scum actions will be blocked the next night. I don't know if this includes the mafiakill.

You said the tickets will block all scum abilities. Was it stated as such? Reason I ask : if you flip town and we realize you're telling the truth, then whatever force is resurrecting these corpses can't be scum driven.

[Kison]

<3

Just remindin' you!

[Kison]

One thing to note about Oman : I'm looking at his posts this game and almost all of them are scattered. Regardless, he needs to post, especially since we're demanding it.

Threaten : Oman

Zoneace : where tha fuck are ya, brosef?

[Kison]

MoS is the MOD. He's V/A, mang.

[Kison]

Sorry, folks. Was gone for a few days. Back now.

TSS, if someone's idling, ask for them to be replaced! Replacement > Modkilling(usually).

Zoneface, still like my vote on him. He's been "confused" all day.

[Kison]

What exactly is confusing you?

[Kison]

Your list is 9 VS 8, suggesting good odds. I need to formulate a list of actual roleclaims linking to the actual post where they were made. This is part of why I'm struggling to catch up with this game.

I don't think The Fonz is a good prospect after he demonstrated his multivoting. He could very well be scum with that ability, but there are better prospects as you say(myself included for the time being).

Don't think Shanba's a good prospect, either. Here's why :

If the majority buys the tickets, all scum actions will be blocked the next night. I don't know if this includes the mafiakill.

You said the tickets will block all scum abilities. Was it stated as such? Reason I ask : if you flip town and we realize you're telling the truth, then whatever force is resurrecting these corpses can't be scum driven.

I'm tempted to vote Flameaxe, but he's being replaced apparently.

[Kison]

Ignore that. I'm getting you confused with the resurrections.

[Kison]

Nocmen.

Also, welcome. Been a while, PBuG.

[Kison]

I find Zoneface to be blatantly scummy as that was my experience with him in Mafia 69. So no it's not picking an easy target.

[Kison]

(oh yeah, I lurked massively in 69. I was Town)

[Kison]

Again, Thyroid's ability supposedly blocked all scum night actions from going through. Correct me if I'm wrong, but those resurrections occurred the same night his ability supposedly went off, correct? So if he's telling the truth about how his ability works, then that can't be scum related, as far as I can tell.

Obviously Zoneface and his confusion is a better option than Kison. Kison is Town. Yes, he is.

[Kison]

Again, Thyroid's ability supposedly blocked all scum night actions from going through.

What makes you think Thyroid's ability activated?

Again, I haven't really read too deeply into whether or not it should have, but he claims it did if I recall correctly.

[Kison]

-I believe my ability went off. I assume the mod's lack of comment on it was a sign that it was a success
-I have not been informed of any red shirt.
-Still reading up

[Kison]

Thyroid, are you certain it went off? Don't you like... you know... receive confirmation?

[Kison]

Note: If TSS does turn up resurrector, the aforementioned death cult theory about the shirts is probably right.

If he DOES turn up resurrector?

Simenon will stick to the original Kison vote but he likes Thyroid's case.

Case on who? If on me, then why the but?

[Kison]

I don't get any response as to what happens with it. I just pick a target. In fact, I have no clue what they do.

As for my shirts, I don't know what they're doing so I'm the wrong person to shed light on that.

I was rezzed because of Jediknights yellow shirt (unless the fact that I was wearing it when I died and when I was rezzed was just pure coincidence).

I'm almost 100% certain that I'm alive because of jedi's shirt. Nocmen's shirt was a different color and did something else though, so idunno what to think about him being alive now.

Reading my death and resurrection, it appears as if jedi has something to do with my resurrection, or his shirt had no effect on me last night.

If TSS really did res us, I don't think that would explain the shirts at all.

They'd assumed it was resurrecting them, but if TSS is telling the truth then it seems to debunk that. It's a fairly gutsy claim for TSS to pull.

[Kison]

Nocmen, if you think you won't live through the night, then why would you want to throw away the Town's controllable kill device(lynch)?

[Kison]

I know this is way late, and I honestly haven't read the last page or two, but I don't see Shanba's role being scum aligned. Couldn't he then theoretically "kill" a partner then "kill" himself, lurk till endgame, then autowin? Is there a day-long limit to the role? If so, I guess that disqualifies what I think is broken about that being given to scum.

[Kison]

Shanba, Shanba, Shanba, why art thou so quiet all of a sudden?

Also, let me rephrase what I said previously. I can't see Shanba's role being Mafia aligned. Like I said, they could then theoretically just skate their way to endgame by faking deaths. No, they don't show up on the list of living players. Death cult, ugh, I don't know. I'm having trouble wrapping my mind around the whole concept.

That being said, something is either broken or scum-driven, here. Never really payed attention to the fact that every last "dead" player who was Town is now alive(Twomz, Shanba, Nocmen). This makes me worry about TSS.

[Kison]

Unvote

Vote : Shanba

Donate him that extra n in your name and you get it right.

[Kison]

Yeah, err, I thought the plan was to revive Shanba if he flipped Town.

[Kison]

If it was a guilty then I don't see why not?

[Kison]

of course, Simenon did mention getting a one shot investigation..that could be directly related to the shirt he was given the night before....

Possibly but so far haven't the shirts otherwise done nothing noticeable? Really the entire shirt thing is bothering me especially now that Belg also doesn't notice anything. Definitely odd that

1) Twomz - Yellow
2) Nocmen - Teal
3) Thyroid/Simenon - Red
4) Belgarion

If I am in one, I have not been told so, so I will assume I remain as town until told otherwise. But I'm not sure how long I will stay alive, I have reason to belieive this rebirth is only for a day or so.

I missed this before. Is this still the case, Nocmen?

TBH the fact that two dead and resurrected players were also given shirts beforehand seems like a long stretch not to believe that they had nothing to do with the resurrections themselves. If we lynch and test and it winds up happening a third time, then coincidence would turn into... something else...

[Kison]

They wouldn't be if we learned that that was what we're dealing with in time, since we'd know who to go after(aside from possibly the 'recruiter').

I'm much less comfortable with lynching Zoneace than I was a day or two ago. I'm used to ZA scum being far more aggressive than this.

Tentatively

Vote : Stark

because he

has

been lurking the entire game. Hypocritical, but, well, I'm trying now. Please catch up. <3

Still utterly confused by the shirt/TSS thing. TSS did you get any kind of response from MoS?

[Kison]

The obvious strong point as to why we shouldn't try take down the 'zombie cult', should it actually exist, at this point in the game, is that if and when we realize there is one, we will know who to go after. The main difficulty would be pegging the recruiter, but it seems that in that scenario it would be one of TSS/Jediknight given what we've been told by them.

[Kison]

Didn't TSS claim to be the reviver?

[Kison]

Thanks ZoneFace. I'm an idiot.

FTR I did not make any role in this game as I replaced in.

Also, I don't recall ever seeing a game where the recruits die when the recruiter dies... That seems a bit strange.

[Kison]

Regardless of whether or not they die right off the bat when the CR dies, I don't think it's worthwhile to hunt them down just yet. Again, for the reason that we will know all of the recruits if we know it exists(resurrected players). And for this reason, I think the death cult theory is less likely to be legit.

So... Where's Stark?

[Kison]

I'm kind of indifferent on mass claiming. It'll clear things up, but I'm not sure it will be too enlightening as to people's alignments. I could be horribly wrong, though. Guess we'll see.

[Kison]

Also,

unvote

. If armlx knows what stark's talking about then that does weigh in his favor, for now.

[Kison]

But do we know for certain Simenon actually receieved a shirt?

You can't explain CKD's investigation by any other means.

*confused*

You mean you can't explain Sim's investigation by any other means, I assume?

Really disliking the continued hesitation from Nonny on the role claiming. armlx is spot on with what hesitation typically means, and this is a perfect example of it, IMO.

FoS : Nonny

List the results. If it's useless then there's no harm in posting it. I'm also curious as to how you only have one result this deep into the game. What were the night actions submitted to the mod, and what were the results?

1) XXX -> Result
2) YYY -> Result
3) ZZZ -> Result
4) BBB -> Result

[Kison]

Even if Nonny's role exists, nothing speaks for its alignment. I'm bothered by the lack of results. I don't see why Nonny would receive four 'no information' results yet strangely receive one for Shanba, who conveniently is dead anyway. What we did see was Thyroid use his super scum roleblock machine thingamajig, whatever it's called. I could see Nonny throwing in some more 'blocked' ones to cover that up.

What's Nonny at? Have we figured what we're doing with the shirts and shit? Not wanting to hammer before we figure everything out(if she's at L-1 which I'm not sure of).

[Kison]

Three 'no info', not four.

[Kison]

Yeah, was funny.

Vote : Nonny

You guys made it sound like she had a lot more votes, heh.

[Kison]

ZoneACE, that's all fine and dandy, but you act as if everyone else knows you're Town. Which, ya know, kind of is not the case.

[Kison]

Why are you so obsessed with lynching the Fonz?

If anything, what Mneme just said makes me inclined to

Vote : Zoneace

. I take it his lyncher role wasn't claimed as one of the submitted roles? I really doubt Mneme is lying about being unlynchable. Nobody was following along with Zoneace. What he claimed was fairly unprovoked.

[Kison]

Well, vigging him off works, I guess.

Unvote

Unopposed to mass claiming - didn't SSF refuse to claim earlier? Who

is

opposed to mass claiming? Maybe it'll give me some motivation to give this game more of my time!

[Kison]

*sigh*

This is really weird. I'm not sure why there are all these protection roles, but my claim's going to stir the pot even more.

I'm the Second Hand Doctor. I'm not told whether my protections even work, or very much of what they do. I just know that I need to use my doctoring abilities. My role PM is extremely vague.

Actions so far :

Night Zero : ???Not sure if I had a night action, or if anyone did. I asked the MOD to send me a list of my protections, and am awaiting the response. Recall that I replaced in during Night One. I still possess the PMs for the night actions _I_ made, however.
Night One : Mneme
Night Two : Shanba
Night Three : Sir Tornado
Night Four : Sir Tornado
Night Five : Twomz

So, yeah. Not sure what's up. I'm going to try to compile a list of all these claims to have an easier time sorting through this chaotic pandemonium of a game. Something is up with all these protection roles.

Zoneace : CAPS LOCK IS NOT YOUR FRIEND.

[Kison]

That's because there are next to none in my role PM... Hopefully someone will claim to have made it. Otherwise, *shrug*

[Kison]

Zoneace, are you removed from the game and/or does MoS announce that your condition has been met when you lynch your target?

[Kison]

Agreed. But if he answered no, then I'd have to begin wondering how he'd 'prove' he was telling the truth. Doesn't matter now, though.

[Kison]

Please let me know if any of the following is incorrect :

SSF352 - Dr. Brown
ZONEACE - Lyncher
KaleiÐoscøpe - Austin Powers(Cop/Lover)
Sir Tornado - Role Copier
armlx - Triple Doctor
stark - Roleblocking Bodyguard-Making Thingy
Kison - Second Hand Doctor
mneme - Invisible Townie?
Belgarion - CKD Alt
Simenon - Kingmaker/Roleblocks(One Shots)
The Fonz - Bookmaker
Twomz - Doc Senses
Nocmen - Cop/Vigilante

[Kison]

Pretty convenient that you wait until now to mention the downside to your death... But I guess if we're to proceed as planned that it would be best to off ZoneFace now.

[Kison]

Forgot I unvoted.

Vote : Zoneace

Anyway, by lynching ZA now, on the off chance Stark's telling the truth, we at least(should?) maintain the three roles he claims will lose their abilities through the night.

[Kison]

Haha, poor Zoneace. He tries so hard and always fails.

Vote : Mneme

To Stark : I'm not convinced all the roles, are as they appear to be. If such were the case, this game would be extremely broken and rigged against scum. So your whole 'well we have XX doctors' thing doesn't really alleviate too many of my concerns. Although the thought of nuking 3 power roles has me a bit worried as well, but, well, anyone can claim that at the last minute...

[Kison]

I thought the stripping was random if he was killed?

[Kison]

Why protect Mneme if he's 'invincible'?

[Kison]

Has anything changed from the plan, then? I'd not mind waiting for The Fonz, but beyond that, not really seeing what we're accomplishing with everything on the table as it is.

[Kison]

Yes. Why should I not be targeting?

[Kison]

Ok. Wow.

- Mneme wasn't lynchable yesterday.

- Kison by Simenon

- Twomz by Moderator

- Nocmen by Moderator

- CKD by Moderator

- Belgarion by CKD

- Sir Tornado by Twomz

- Kaleidoscope - ????

- SSF352 - ????

- The Fonz - ????

The problem is, with the cult out there, are these investigations handy against them?

[Kison]

Kscope investigates someone.

Sir T vig's Fonz

Nocmen vig's stark

SSF goes back and looks at either myself any night other than N1.

Twomz protects SSF.

TSS ressurects CKD.

I protect Sim, mneme, and Belg

Kison protects Twomz

Here's the last instance of 'the plan' I could find.

Sir T was supposed to Vig off The Fonz, but The Fonz is still alive. So unless Fonz had some immunity, that would indicate he didn't follow through, unless something else prevented him from making the kill. SSF is alive as is Twomz. Obv. armlx didn't follow through on his part. Stark is dead, so it appears Nocmen made his kill. And it doesn't look like we'll be able to tell one way or another if SSF did what he was supposed to.

[Kison]

Unless I'm missing something, it appears both armlx and TSS's kills are unaccounted for. That would suggest either someone went rogue with their vigilante kill or both cult/mafia killed. I'd like Sir T to confirm he tried to kill Fonz. But yeah, four kills(and a potential of five if his was blocked) would suggest the mafia are still alive.

[Kison]

Simulposted. Im a preview whore

[Kison]

The recruiter? Best bet is to try to go after the folks who are not confirmed when trying to find the recruiter. Chances are the recruiter has been around all game. If not, then that wouldn't... make sense... And as such, he/she would be someone who hasn't been cleared yet. Although, this still depends on normal investigations working against cults. I don't know if that's the case, as I have very little cult game experience. Someone else chime in on that one.

[Kison]

That was my initial thought. His name doesn't match his alignment, though. It says he is Town... Would be a wild theory to assume he is a Town aligned player unknowingly creating an anti-town cult.

[Kison]

Also, I'm thinking we cant take past investigations to heart all too much, since we've confirmed a cult that isnt players back from the dead.

They may not confirm someone as innocent, but they will help in finding the recruiter, theoretically.

Support a Fonz lynch as he happens to be one of the people who, as far as I know, has not been 'cleared'. Same goes for the other batch on the 'unconfirmed' list. I realize confirmed/unconfirmed do not necessarily guarantee innocence, but in terms of a possible recruiter...

Vote: The Fonz

[Kison]

What was unwarrentd about my hammer? People were bitching baout not wanting to discuss night actions, which i actually happen to agree with. fonz, you are one of the people who hsnt been 'cleared' by some means. yes i KNOW that does not guarantee anyone with that crutch is not necessrily town, but with known cult in the game it at least gives insight into the recruiter. your main defense has been that your ability is broken as scum GF, but your 'abilitiies' are reliant upon variables that don't make them guaranteed to work. example: your multivote doesnt work unless people QFT

whatever. let's kill me, then. my role is next in line of this pile of crap roles next to CKD/Belg being masons with the same IP address.

[Kison]

Ok. Wow.

- Mneme wasn't lynchable yesterday.

- Kison by Simenon

- Twomz by Moderator

- Nocmen by Moderator

- CKD by Moderator

- Belgarion by CKD

- Sir Tornado by Twomz

- Kaleidoscope - ????

- SSF352 - ????

- The Fonz - ????

This is what we have. The only one still relying on an investigation to clear them is me, and _I_ know I am not a cult recruiter, or any kind of scum for that matter. Twomz, Nocmen, and CKD were dead and brought back. CKD knows Belgarion's alignment. And unless Mneme is a unlynchable scum... you get the point. I even brought up earlier that I'm not sure that cult would be cleared by investigation.

To answer your other question, I never said that Fonz's abilities make him more scummy. I'm saying that he was relying on that as a defense to make him being scum seem absurd, which I totally disagree with for the reasons I stated.

[Kison]

EBWOP : I even brought up earlier that I'm not sure that cult would be cleared by investigation.

should read

I even brought up earlier that I'm not sure cult would appear guilty from investigations.

[Kison]

I'd have expected the cult recruiter to read 'Cult Recruiter' rather than 'Cult'.

My guess would be SSF352, and I'm going by the list from earlier. He's the last player without any kind of vouching from what I can tell.

[Kison]

I was already investigated. Now if he's claiming a guilty on me, it just means there's no indication one way or another if I'm town, from your perspectives. Has Twomz gotten a guilty before?

[Kison]

Nocmen, I already explained what I was using when I decided to vote The Fonz. It's the list that's quoted a page or two back, by me. Many on that list are either confirmed by the moderator, or in Belg's case, confirmed by a player who was confirmed in such a way. Others are confirmed only by investigation. Yes, it's possible some of the mod-confirmed players are now cult recruits, but they can't be Mafia or the recruiter, which are the better people to be going after. In The Fonz's case, his only defense was faulty logic where he tried to paint his abilities as ridiculous for a godfather to have(which is not the case), which, yet again, I've already explained in more detail than you explained your vote

which was for the same player.

I was already investigated and came up innocent(by Simenon). Twomz is implying he got a guilty on me. I want to know if Twomz has gotten a guilty before(because I cannot recall off hand).

[Kison]

Yes : SSF352 would not be a bad option. The cult deaths so far have simply read :

XXX, Cult, killed night whatever.

One would expect :

XXX, Cult Leader/Recruiter, killed night whatever.

to show up for the recruiter, yet SSF352 is the one trying to dismiss this idea.

Vote: SSF352

If he's not lynched today, nail him tomorrow. For seriously.

[Kison]

I'm really not sure - you were the only pick I had in mind for the day. Maybe Sir Tornado, but I'd have to re-examine his case. Everyone else seems to be given a pretty good level of clearance: Twomz, CKD(Belg), and Nocmen all mod-cleared, and Mneme apparently unkillable.

And I obviously see how I'm a decent pick, which is why I don't feel the need to argue my own lynch to death, but I still feel you're more preferable.

[Kison]

Nocmen's double killing ability really made the difference here.

Nocmen - Kill mneme

We did this because of a limitation in Nocmen's vigilante kills forcing him to kill only those who said his name during the previous day. So the kill I made wound up being his 'vigilante kill.'