Thespival Mafia (Denouement)

[Mizzy]

Hello, all! There's a lot of pages here to read through so I'm going to have to take a bit to read it all. Before I start, is there anything pertinent I should know NOW?

[Mizzy]

yes. Your predecessor claimed Lyncher, but neglected to claim a target. Can you please fill in the gap?

BM

I have been warned about you, sir.

[Mizzy]

yes. Your predecessor claimed Lyncher, but neglected to claim a target. Can you please fill in the gap?

BM

I have been warned about you, sir.

lol its good to know that scum fear me.

Actually, Patrick tends to be town, doesn't he? And I don't think he's scared of you. I'll ask, though.

[Mizzy]

Welcome Mizzy.

Hi to you! Small world, no?

[Mizzy]

lol- tends to be town?
Are you suggesting that his roles arent given randomly? 0.o
Have you read any of the thread yet?
I'm still waiting on your target claim.

Did Patrick really warn you about me? Because this is Thespival, modded by Thesp, and Patrick isnt playing as far as i'm aware. lol

BM

Statistically, because there are more town roles than mafia roles, most people tend to be town.

And yes, I started from the beginning, but I'm at work so I can only read so much so fast.

You can keep waiting like a good lil player. There is no rushing the hormonal woman, unless you enjoy pain.

And yes, Patrick is not in this game, nor is he modding. But he still warned me about you. Probably because I'm sweet and innocent.

[Mizzy]

In which case your comment about Patrick does not contain anything relevant.

Sure doesn't. Didn't mean it to, though. Was kind of trying to subtly hint that I'm not scum, but you ruined the whole effect. Meanie.

Ok, what page are you on?

A number between 1 and 65.

is that your alibi for when you nightkill me?

O.o I don't even know how to respond to that.

what did he say?

He begged me not to tell you. I like men who beg, so I agreed not to.

[Mizzy]

Okay, fine, I'll spill if only because I don't want anyone to think I'm talking about the game outside the thread about anything important/game-related.

I'm not all that experienced here yet, and your claim-asking, BM, confused me because I didn't quite know what you meant, so I asked Patrick what a Lyncher claim is. He just said you're "a character" and that I'd get to know you through reading the thread.

That is all, folks.

[Mizzy]

you realise over-defensiveness is a scumtell right?

How can I be over-defensive about something I don't feel defensive about? O.o

deliberately vague. what you got to hide?

Just the page number. I'll get you know once I get into the meat of the game in my read-through.

an honest 'yes' would make me happy.

I can't give you an honest 'yes' here because a 'yes' wouldn't be honest.

a couple more things to point out.
1. You still havent confirmed/denied the lyncher claim.
2. Why would Patrick warn you about me? Its not like he goes around telling everyone to steer clear, and i dont think you had much time before replacing in to seek his opinion. And if u had, i dont see why his opinion would be bad.
3. Why did AmeliaSlay bail so suddenly and with no reason?

1. I honestly have no idea what you're asking for, but I'll try and answer if you supply some post numbers that explain what it is I'm supposed to be answering.
2. All he said was that you are a "character." I took that as a warning that you are someone to take in stride.
3. I have no idea, but you could ask her if you really want to know.

[Mizzy]

Did he tell you what a lyncher was?
Did you tell him your actual role?

1) No, he just laughed
2) No, of course not.

[Mizzy]

You havent started yet, have you?
rofl

Yes, but I'm still on page 2 people someone *cough* keeps asking me questions.

why didnt you give me a 'no' then? Because you are a Lyncher?

Nope, I didn't say anything because I have no need of a NK alibi, seeing as I can't NK.

1. AmeliaSlay claimed Lyncher. Assuming she was telling the truth, can you please claim your target, from your role pm. Failure to do so will result in your lynch.

... I have no idea why she would do that. Post # please?

3. I dont think thats allowed. Im speculating anyway. Maybe if someone knows a legitimate reason for her departure, they can tell me. Otherwise, i'll have to make my own mind up. Do you not find it suspicious?

Well, I can't say I find it suspicious seeing as I don't know why she left. I do know that things come up IRL (as they are about to for me, though I am not going to leave the game) and real life takes precedence. So, no, I have neutral feelings on it.

[Mizzy]

Do you think she was town or scum?

Seeing as I got her role PM, I know she was (and therefor I am) town.

Interesting phrasing, by the way...I replaced her so why not ask what her alignment

was

and not what I

think

it is?

[Mizzy]

Maybe im seeing if you'll slip up after interrogation. Plus im enjoying testing a variety of traps

Fair enough.

Hence, knowing she was town, what is the most likely explanation in your mind, for her leaving?
Aside from real life stuff, which would require her to leave all her games.

Well, this is a pretty long game, and by the death count on the first page, town isn't doing so hot. I can conceive that someone might get a bit of ennui when it comes to the game. I know the concept of a full read-through on its own is pretty daunting.

[Mizzy]

odd though, as she had posted on the same page, and not given any indication of wanting out then.

I'm sorry I don't have an explanation for you...I can understand why you find it suspicious, but I'm not sure what I can do to ease suspicions other than be here and answer questions that I am able to.

I should have a good chunk of pages read by tomorrow, and I will have time over the weekend to read lots, too. I'm taking notes as I go and I'll offer them up when I finish

[Mizzy]

Okay, I have thoroughly gone through the first 10 pages and taken notes. I'm sorry my reading is slow, but I've replaced into over 200 pages worth of games in the last week.

Page 1:

Confirming stage, nothing of interest.

Page 2:

Random voting stage
#30: Captain Bandwagon (rep by farside22) asks about a cow bandwagon.
#32: Greasy Spot asks about a Dani Banani bandwagon, instead due to lack of confirmation.
#34: curiouskarmadog random votes Greasy Spot
#35: tyhess (rep by Mr_Gnome_It_All) random votes curiouskarmadog
#36: Iammars random votes Mith
#37: Captain Bandwagon (rep by farside22) random votes QuickBen (rep by AmeliaSlay, Mizzy)
#38: Captain Bandwagon (rep by farside22) random votes Mith
#40: hasdgfas random votes MeMe (rep by Mathcam)
#41: MeMe random votes Dani Banani
#42: Mith suggests that the Jester out themselves early, and asks the mafia not to fake-claim jester.
#43: PookyTheMagicalBear agrees with Mith about the Jester claiming and says everyone needs to work together against the mafia.
#44: MeMe agrees with Mith about the Jester claiming
#46:Greasy Spot semi-random votes Captain Bandwagon (rep by farside22)
#49: Mith calls for all townies to proclaim that they are or are not the Jester.

My Thoughts:

I can understand why Mith wants the Jester to claim but I can also see why the Jester would not want to claim. The Jester has no reason to want to help town. Mith is coming off as town, no opinions on anyone else yet.

Page 3:

#50: Mith says that mafia should NOT proclaim they are not the Jester.
#52: petroleumjelly also says the Jester should claim immediately and random votes Dani Banani
#53: hasdgfas claims to not be the Jester.
#54: Iammars claims to not be the Jester.
#55: Talitha says how awesome claimed Jester is and says it's the best non-mafia strategy.
#56: Mith questions if Talitha is trying to get someone to false-claim Jester and again calls for Jester claims.
#57: Captain Bandwagon asks Mith to elaborate on why it's best for the Jester to claim.
#58: Mith suggests an action-centered strategy based around the deadlines.
#59: Mith FoSes Captain Bandwagon for "obvious scum confusion tactics"
#60: Captain Bandwagon asks about the strategies behind the Jester claiming and asks a lot of questions I would have had, as well.
#61: Mith answers about why the Jester claiming is best for both Town and Jester.
#62: PookyTheMagicalBear makes a huge and well-written post about why the Jester should claim now. I find that really, really funny.
#68: Greasy Spot questions the benefits of claiming Jester.
#72: Greasy Spot gets his facts mixed up about Jester win conditions.
#74: Mith FoSes Greasy Spot for scum confusion tactics.

My Thoughts:

I don't like Mith's FoS on Captain Bandwagon because of a legit question. Mith doesn't look any less pro-town to me, though.

Page 4:

#76: Mith asks Greasy Spot outright if he is the Jester and claims innocent townie.
#86: Mith votes Greasy Spot.
#88: PookyTheMagicalBear votes Greasy Spot.
#91: Greasy Spot OMGUS-votes Mith.
#92: petroleumjelly votes Greasy Spot. Jelly offers some well-put endgame logic.
#95: Mith makes Green Couch references.
#98: Greasy Spot begins to see the reasoning of a Jester win.

My Thoughts:

I laughed out loud knowing what I know now at Pooky's Jester post. I don't like how forecful Mith is about his attack on Greasy Spot but I can see why he is doing it. Greasy Spot is valiently fighting for what he believes in, even if it makes him look scummy, something I do a bit too much, maybe. I feel Mith thinking Greasy Spot is scum because of his questioning of the Jester claim tactic is way too premature when it could just be a sign of Greasy being stubborn.

Page 5:

#101: Mith pressures Greasy Spot for a Jester claim.
#103: Greasy Spot says he is not the Jester.
#105: Mith wants to lynch Greasy Spot.
#109: Dani Banani FoSes Greasy Spot and semi-random votes Mastermind of Sin
#110: Mith asks Dani Banani why the vote on Mastermind of Sin
#112: Captain Bandwagon (rep by farside22) votes Greasy Spot. No reason given.
#114: tyhess (rep by Mr_Gnome_It_All) votes Greasy Spot because of the avoidance of answering questions.
#118: Mith FoSes Dani Banani for semi-random voting when they have suspects.
#120: curiouskarmadog confirm votes Greasy Spot.
#121: Iammers votes Greasy Spot.
#122: Mith asks that no more votes on Greasy Spot be placed until the Jester confirms himself/herself.
#123: petroleumjelly ponders the pro-town/pro-mafia sides of the Couch role.

My Thoughts:

Again, Mith pushing for what I feel would be a premature wagon and lynch based on little solid evidence. Mith seems to be very assertive about his opinions and I feel he's going too quickly. If I didn't know he ended up town, I'd have begun to suspect him for his eagerness to get to night. Interesting that Dani semi-randomly votes MoS when he hadn't posted yet.

Page 6:

#126: Captain Bandwagon (rep by farside22) discusses Couch strategy.
#127: MeMe votes Iammers for saying tyhess (rep by Mr_Gnome_It_All) will just get shot by scum if the role gets too powerful against them.
#128: petroleumjelly FoSes Iammers.
#130: Mith FoSes Iammers.
#131: hasdgfas votes Iammers.
#132: Iammers discovers his mistake and retracts comment.
#133: Dani Banani semi-defends Greasy Spot.
#134: RossWilliam expresses a desire to vote for Greasy Spot.
#137: Captain Bandwagon (rep by farside22) FoSes Iammers.
#138: Mastermind of Sin random votes Tyhess.
#141: Mith asks Mastermind of Sin if he is scum with Dani Banani.
#144: Dani Banani notices a possible dice roll problem by Mastermind of Sin.

Page7:

#150: QuickBen (rep by AmeliaSlay, Mizzy) FoSes Mastermind of Sin for random voting. FoSes lurkers. Claims not Jester.
#151: Holy votes hasdgfas for being quiet.
#156: curiouskarmadog confirms not-Jester.
#157: Captain Bandwagon (rep by farside22) confirm-votes Greasy Spot.
#160: Dani Banani claims not-Jester and not-scum.
#161: al_kohaulec FoSes Greasy Spot and Iammers. Claims not-Jester.
#164: Mastermind of Sin votes Greasy Spot, claims not-Jester, FoSes everyone who hasn't claimed not-Jester or Jester.

My Thoughts:

Possible scumtell from Iammers, but interesting how much attention is being put on it when there's still no Jester claim and a close-by lynch. MoS random voted though the random vote stage had clearly ended. More attacking of Greasy Spot, and I probably would have gotten my ass kicked for piping up and saying I didn't think him scummy if I had been around then.

Page 8:

#175: Tyhess claims not-Jester. FoSes Iammers, FoSes Dani Banani for the semi-random vote.
#182: petroleumjelly unvotes Greasy Spot to prevent a quicklynch.
#192: Dani Banani asks tyhess who they find most suspicious and why they're not voting for them.
#192: Holy unvotes hasdgfas

My Thoughts:

Petrolium hit my pro-town list for his unvote of Greasy Spot. There's a lot of talk about how to "control" the Couch recruiter towards the bottom. Not sure how I feel about that.

Page 9:

My Thoughts: Lots of strategy discussion about recruiting. Not much to go on for me.

Page 10:

#226: Battle Mage joke-claims Jester.
#230: Battle Mage votes Dani Banani and gives a list of suspects.
#232: wolfcrier (rep by Beep! Beep!, JDGA) claims not-Jester.
#242: Battle Mage says he doesn't like the Greasy Wagon.
#244: Captain Bandwagon (rep by farside22) FoSes Battle Mage.

My Thoughts:

Captain Bandwagon annoys me with his immediate jump-on-Battle Mage act just because Battle Mage doesn't like the wagon on Greasy.

My thoughts on the first 10 pages:

Mith, Pertroleum, and Battle Mage look like town to me, though I seriously would have kept my eyes on Mith (I feel like his play in these pages was pretty harmful to town, though I can see why he did it.) Greasy Spot looks like an opportunity wagon and there was no real case on him. Captain Bandwagon annoys me but didn't come off as scummy. Very little read on many others because of the lack of posting. It seems to mainly be the same folks.

All in all, I simultaneously can't believe the mislynch happened because of the lack of evidence and looking at how many confirmed town were on it, it just makes me cringe.

[Mizzy]

EBWOP: Sorry, left out a sentence:

All in all, I simultaneously can't believe the mislynch happened because of the lack of evidence and looking at how many confirmed town were on it, it just makes me cringe. I can also see why it happened, but I would have been very against the whole thing if I'd been here and active back then.

[Mizzy]

My Thoughts:

I can understand why Mith wants the Jester to claim but I can also see why the Jester would not want to claim. The Jester has no reason to want to help town. Mith is coming off as town, no opinions on anyone else yet.

Why would wanting to out the Jester be more of a towntell, than a scumtell, as theoretically, scum and town both want the jester outted asap?

BM

It wasn't

just

that he wanted the Jester out, it was how he worded things, too. His actions and posts came off as extremely self-righteous-townie, and it really felt to me like he wanted the Jester out more from a pro-town standpoint than any other reason. Just the read I got. I still don't like his methods, though. He was very harsh.

[Mizzy]

Oh god, please don't head to night yet...I have so much more to read yet that I swear I'm never going to catch up.

[Mizzy]

The kind of frustration that CKD is experimenting appears genuine. I have done exactly that myself, several times, out of frustration.

I will give him breathing room.

Also our replacement hasn't read yet.

unvote

I'm working on it! I've got most of it skimmed but notes aren't ready yet.

[Mizzy]

I'm about to be out of town for a bit (woot for an all-expenses-paid trip for a job interview) and will be only able to post little. I'll be back Saturday!

[Mizzy]

I realize I haven't said much or submitted more notes, but things have gotten busy here since I'm now in my "window" for labor to start at any time (ugh, doctor visits = do not want.) Anyway, my two cents are that CKD is probably town (hugely supported by his little skitzo episode because I just did one of those myself in a different game and fully understand it in this one...he feels like town to me.)

I would like CKD prodded as well, because active players posting = yay for town.

[Mizzy]

Well. I can't decide whether CKD's "Omg has is scum-laden" was distancing or a plain bid to come off as more townie. He certainly had me fooled :/

Has, I know you can't say much, but do you have any response to his tirade against you?

[Mizzy]

Has, any reason why you don't want to tell us immediately?

I agree with Jelly on the couch recruitment action last night...it does seem awfully convenient and I don't see how it can be seen as anything but anti-town. Even his responses as to why he did it don't really ring as sincere to me.

And for heaven's sake, can we stop bickering? Beep, if you're town, please help out a bit more...I know your vote got taken but that is no reason to give up. You can still tell us who you WOULD vote, and that will help. Just play like nothing has changed.

[Mizzy]

This question set off my scumdar something fierce. Has obviously has a reason, whether it be because the information will be more useful later or that he's scum and hasn't though of the answer yet, or else he would have told us. Mizzy's question reeked of scum wondering whether or not she had been tracked/investigated/whatevered last night. In any case, my instincts tell me to give Has the benefit of the doubt until it becomes necessary to do otherwise. If he doesn't come up with something satisfactory, we can always insist that he breaks his posting restriction.

Wait, so trying to get more information is scummy? Asking why someone won't share information is a bad thing? Last I checked, sharing information is pro-town and hiding information is anti-town. Not to mention, I didn't attack him at all, I was trying to get some conversation started.

[Mizzy]

^ I'll let somebody else respond to that. I am just getting off work, don't want to type up the necessary post. I will also be grading the response(s) on a scale of -10 to 10, where -10 is "supporting Mizzy", 0 is "completely missing the point", and 10 is "spot on".

Because being a sarcastic bugger takes so much less time than answering my question quickly.

Remember, I haven't been here the whole game, and while I have read the thread, I also don't have the same emotional responses as the rest of you having not been here actively through most of it...I'm sure that those of you who have replaced into large games can relate.

I honestly wanted to know why he wouldn't answer...I don't really see why that's a bad thing.

[Mizzy]

Wow. This response elevates the original suspicion to a major

FOS: Mizzy.

You completely ignored the point of my suspicion in favor of defending against inane accusations that were never made. How you got from "The way Mizzy asked for that information seems scummy to me" to "mathcam thinks that the town having information is bad" is beyond me. To be absolutely clear, I was not accusing you of attacking him, or even necessarily arguing that he should keep his information secret -- I was arguing that your question reeked of a fake nonchalance when trying to extract that information, as if you were scum worried that you had got caught killing someone last night.

Actually, I didn't see the point of your suspicion on me other than that I asked Has a question, so that's why I "ignored" it. And no, I didn't accuse you of anything, I simply asked a question in return. It honestly, to me, felt like you were attacking the fact that I asked at all rather than in how I did ask.

As for nonchalance, I suppose I can see that, but I didn't/don't see the need to write a paragraph to ask one question. But as to why I asked, I honestly want/wanted to know why he didn't want to share the information.

[Mizzy]

Okay, Beep, if you are town, begging/asking/daring people to lynch you is just plain anti-town. I ask you to stop that, now.

PJ makes a really good point that Beep should have looked at his post and re-evaluated her numbers...I see no reason not to. That's what I would have done, anyway. If I screw up and someone points it out, I fix it.

That said, I don't think that assigning "points" to folks is a very good way to scumhunt because it's so very subjective. It's a replacement for scumhunting to me, not a good way to do it. The participation is noted, though.

[Mizzy]

I'm here, I just have no idea what to make of anything. I don't like Beep's play (which I've mentioned before) but...I'm hesitant to vote. I feel like most of what's going on in the game is going over my head.

Lynching Beep, though, would make MGIA have only his own vote again, which I approve of. I just worry that she's not scum, which might mean that if she is lynched, we may lose.

[Mizzy]

I think you're talking to me, Has? I've tried...but the game is so incredibly long that I have trouble sticking with it right now. I have basically zero attention span now (man, I can't wait for that to be over with) and I just literally cannot keep my mind in the game. I have read it all once, but every time I try and go back, I get so frustrated that it doesn't really work.

[Mizzy]

Like I said previously...Beep's play seriously makes me mad. If she's town, she's seriously playing her role terribly. However, if she hates it so much, why doesn't she abandon or get herself replaced? The fact that she is still trolling makes me think she's scum as opposed to frustrated town. Then there's the dual benefit of her lynch; removing a vote from MGIA and putting him back to his old self again...I mentioned before that I found his random, unannounced recruitment to be pretty shitty.

[Mizzy]

I have been wondering off-hand about something that I would like people's opinions on (and this is largely influenced by the notion of Beep! Beep! being scum). Do people think the scum-group was told in advance that Pooky was the Jester?

Hrm, interesting question...but I doubt that would have happened. I have never heard of a game in which the scum knew the Jester's identity before-hand. Though, just because I haven't heard of it doesn't mean it couldn't happen but I would say it's highly unlikely.

[Mizzy]

In fact, this is exactly the kind of question I was referring to when arguing with PJ that not all revealed information is beneficial to the town. For this particular question, it seems like the mafia gains more by knowing the answer to this (for the purposes of making a kill overnight, assuming PJ isn't scum) than the town does (catching a tell in PJ, or more likely just being able to point and laugh after the game if he's wrong).

This is one of those canned responses to something that I hate seeing. If someone doesn't like a question or whatever, they call say, "Oh don't say that because it gives the scum information!" and 9 times out of 10, it's information the scum could figure out on their own and probably already have.

Every single thing we say gives information to the scum, and to be honest, most of the people who matter a great deal in terms of hidden role are probably already dead and the scum already know who they want dead next.

So I agree with Has, I think the question is a valid one, and an IMPORTANT one, if players are actually considering lynching Beep due to thinking she is scum.

[Mizzy]

mathcam:

The thing is that information sharing will always benefit both the town and the scum. That's just how things work. What you have to do is think about what information would help what side more. In this case, I think the information would benefit town more than scum, because another mislynch for us and it could be game over.

[Mizzy]

MOD:

I just went into labor, be back ASAP! It should only be 2-3 days. Wish me luck

[Mizzy]

I'm home, reading over what I missed ASAP!

[Mizzy]

I agree that MGIA's last post does explain his night action...but it doesn't sit well with me and unfortunately, it's neither a scum nor town tell. What bothers me the most is that he doesn't care about the outcome and basically made the game much less fun for someone else that DOES care about the outcome (I think.)

I would prefer an Iammars lynch over a Beep lynch at this time. I read over PJ's post that goes over players and then went back and did a quick reread on 'mars, and he does come off as pretty scummy in retrospect. It would be awesome if 'mars could be replaced before deadline, but somehow I don't see that happening.

I am going to go ahead and

Vote: Iammars

though I may unvote for a replacement or with other good reasoning. I am hoping that with a tie, even though it technically does not change the deadline-auto-lynch, that it may make MGIA or Holy pick a side.

I also apologize for my lack of participation currently...playing mafia on no sleep is not an easy task and I know I have an excuse (a rather cute one) but I still feel pretty bad.

[Mizzy]

Gabriel Tristan, I see in your sig. Picture???

CONGRATULATIONS GIRL, you're a mother now. You think it's good now, it just keeps getting better.

Sorry for the out of context, everyone! However, picture for those who want to see is here: http://joudas.com/baby/DSCN3683.JPG He's my little scummer :3

[Mizzy]

Just to clear something up: I did care about this until a couple pages ago. If you like I can point you to the exact post that broke my "give a damn"

Yes, please.

[Mizzy]

It seems safe to assume that there will be no replacement for Iammars by the end of the day (reasonable since even if one magically appeared, they would hardly have time to catch up before tomorrow, and we've already had our maximum one deadline extension for the day). From this point of view, Iammars is certainly not going to be any help today, and might not be for the rest of the game. I don't see him as particularly scummy, but that's primarily since he's stayed pretty quiet and unhelpful -- in fact, the only thing I have in my notes on him is a seemingly unreasonable attachment to MeMe. The pros for lynching Iammars are the above point that he's not contributing and that it saves Thesp from finding a replacement. The cons (for me, at least) are that we ignore the two scummiest players for another day. It's also possible that Iammars will die overnight anyway, though the mafia has admittedly not been very helpful about killing people that request it. All in all, this Iammars bandwagon just seems too convenient.

I agree but at the same time, I don't think either of the others will be lynched today, either. As for dying overnight, I see no reason the scum would kill him because if he is town, then he's dead weight and so hurts town to stay alive. I don't like policy lynches or the lynches of unhelpful people usually, but considering the pros and cons of this lynch, I'd be okay with it. He does read as anti-town, and while I know anti-town doesn't always mean scum, it's still hurting us to have him around at this point, in my opinion.

[Mizzy]

Actually, while I agree with a mass claim once Flame has caught up, though I think we'll see nothing but a slew of vanilla claims.

Welcome to the game, Flame, btw.

[Mizzy]

Actually, while I agree with a mass claim once Flame has caught up, though I think we'll see nothing but a slew of vanilla claims.

Welcome to the game, Flame, btw.

We do have one role left for sure. I thought it would be you or Holy. If it's not you, then it's Holy. Holy is town.

The SK (I do think that's what we are looking for) is either you, mathcam or Flameaxe.

Why would the last role be limited to me or Holy?

[Mizzy]

I'm not saying that's the last role. But one that I know exists.

Can you claim?

Oh, sorry! It's been a long day.

I'm vanilla town.

[Mizzy]

Has everyone double-checked their role PMs?

Sure did. Innocent townsperson, against the forces of evil, yadda yadda, every vote matters. So Holy can suspect me aaaaall she likes...I don't have anything to defend against at the moment.

[Mizzy]

So, whatever. Another vanilla night, and now a voteless day. What a drag.

This is so boring I want to crawl out of my skin.

You could work together with Flame, maybe, to choose who to vote for?

[Mizzy]

Knowing Flameaxe, he's going to vote for me out of personal vendetta, so it's pretty much game over for me - in terms of life in the game, and participation.

Just kill mathcam. That's all.

Don't be so negative. I'm not like that.

She's been like that for a while. Not that O fully blame her, but you know.

[Mizzy]

It just.., I liked you when you first came, replacing. But now, you seem like just going along with the flow. Have you finished reading this game, what's your opinion or conclusion about this town or the remaining dwellers, Mizzy? I don't mind if it's not so detail, I can understand your cute little reason if it's the case.

I finished reading a long, long time ago and have since been more active than you have been, so do keep that in mind. Also keep in mind that my activity is down because I have a newborn baby to tend to and need to sleep when and where I can, which leaves little time for other things. Even so, I was still able to give my opinions and thoughts on Iammers and help with the lynch there.

I feel Beep is town, and so far, I think Flame is town, which leaves either you or Math. Beep likes Math for a lynch, and I think I may lean that way, too, because I've always had a 50/50 read on Math and I could see him buddied with has and Iammers if he's scum, but I could also see him as an SK or some other anti-town bugger. I haven't voted yet because one wrong vote could lose us the game.

Now I know what Beep meant before about roles...gotta love those epiphanies!

[Mizzy]

God, I miss PJ. Anyone here speak with the dead? Anyone?

[Mizzy]

Mod:

I'll be going away for the weekend today and I'll be back sometime late on Sunday. Thanks!

[Mizzy]

How exactly did you guys come up with me being scum? Pure lack of evidence?

[Mizzy]

I think we have to kill both Mizzy and mathcam by endgame. If we do this, we will win.

Only if you're scum. I'm a townie.

I know you can't believe that, but I don't care at this point. You guys are going to do what you want, when you want, and I feel like the only thing I can do is warn you and let you screw yourselves.

[Mizzy]

Holy, since you are mith's Mason, I don't see why Mizzy should suspect you.

I suspected Holy before we did any role-claiming.

Math is on top of my list.

[Mizzy]

Holy, it's mostly a gut thing. I'll try and re-read a bit to show you what caused it, if/when I have time, but please don't count on it. Gabe's been sick and I have pretty much no time right now until the weekend.

[Mizzy]

Well mathcam, we know you're not mith's mason.

Who is then?

Well we have two roles that I have no fucking clue what they do, I mean, what is a Harry Potter and a Seer?

Maybe there's only one plain Mason because they were paired with someone else with a different role. For all we know, Mith's mason buddy could already be dead.

[Mizzy]

how are you so sure that I'm not a scum mason?

mith voted for a whole bunch of people that I assumed were not his mason. One of the people he voted was you. So you're no mason. You're just scum.

This is a gigantic assumption and I think the time for acting on assumptions is way, way past.

[Mizzy]

Mod:

Sorry, Gabe is sick and he's not sleeping much right now. Please consider me on V/LA until he's feeling better and I can actually function again. Feel free to replace me if you think it's needed.

[Mizzy]

I'd be willing to vote Holy based on my suspicions of her...it really bothers me that she stuck a vote out there without saying anything first and her posting has come across as "coasting" for the most part.

[Mizzy]

Holy:

We're not looking for scum anymore, I think. We're looking for an SK or similar. And I think it's Mathcam. He was above my suspicion list over you, Holy, so it doesn't really matter what I think of you.

[Mizzy]

Oh, and I will NOT place a vote down first unless I really, really need to because I am town and that would cause a quicklynch if I am wrong in my voting.

[Mizzy]

There's also the fact that she recently mentioned a semi-lurking status, and yet posted in this thread within a couple of hours of the start of the day, perhaps suggesting she'd had a night action.

Actually, I'm caring for a newborn, which mean I am awake all hours of the night and don't really get much sleep. That is why I posted; because I happened to be around. I posted in other games, then, too.

[Mizzy]

Something potentially damning stuck out like a sore thumb on my reread:

Oh god, please don't head to night yet...I have so much more to read yet that I swear I'm never going to catch up.

If you didn't have a night-choice, wouldn't going to night help by giving you

more

time to catch up? On the other hand, an SK who needed to immediately make an intelligent night choice might see this as additional pressure.

Cam

I didn't want the game to go to night yet because I wanted to have an input on HOW the day went to night.

[Mizzy]

EBWOP: Didn't finish that last sentence, apparently. Should've ended with "getting caught up in time to make a night choice." Since you've already claimed vanilla townie, this is a source of concern for me.

I do believe that you are reading into things far too strongly. At the time I replaced in, I had just replaced into over 280 pages worth of games, and even though I was reading this one as fast as I could, I could see the page count going up faster than I could read. I wanted to be fully caught up so I could give my opinions before an end-of-day decision was reached. I've said and done such things before as town; you're just reaching for some excuse to vote for me.

[Mizzy]

A quick answer for that (remembering my slow re-read progress), by watching your play and Mizzy's play, I think it's Mizzy. I doubt if scum would thoughtfully taking notes for stuff that has happened, at all.

We aren't looking for scum. We're looking for an SK. Not the same thing.

[Mizzy]

Yup, Math, I still feel you're it, but I also worry that I'm wrong because Holy's incorrect English is very hard for me to interpret and I don't have a lot of time to re-read to figure things out.

Holy, did you mean by your last post? I can't understand it, sorry

[Mizzy]

Holy:

So what you are saying is that you don't think that scum (sk, whatever) would be taking notes in a game they are so very close to winning? If anything, I think the sk/scum would be more vigilant because one false move could lose them the whole game.

[Mizzy]

^that's my belief about scum in general (they understand more about the situation, what's the use of taking notes for them...), at the same time I realized if there's might be "careful exception" such as in lylo situation. Well...taking notes isn't a solid prove. Only a cruel 'WIFOM', hurting my head...my theory...

So then would a good scum player not do the opposite of that? WIFOM, yes, but you can't go off of an absolute theory like that one and have it work.

Normally, I would be taking a lot more notes of my own and such but with the baby thing happening, I just don't have the time, even if I do have the desire.

[Mizzy]

This was in reference to his keeping his night information to his self. It still seems to me that Has had deliberately left off this information, so prompting him for more details feels like mild panic that she may have been caught. (Let's ignore that Has was actually scum, since we, or at least I, believed him to be pro-town at the time). But more suspicious was her reaction to this objection:

Right so let's just ignore the fact that he was scum, fine. Anyway, everyone seriously took that post of mine the wrong way and acted very much over the top about it. I really wanted to know if there was a reason he was being quiet or if he was just because quiet because he felt like it. Someone had to ask.

This sure looks like one of those "canned responses" that you later say you hate seeing. My objection was based on the specific situation at hand, and you respond with an extremely general meta. Finally, when I interpreted the above quoted questions as an accusation, you responded with "I simply asked a question in return." It seems a little disingenuous to me to imply that those questions didn't carry at least a hint of an attack (e.g., "You must be scum if you think the town getting information is bad.").

It's also worth pointing out that you seem to later agree with me that there are situations in which not revealing is the correct play:

It was my natural response, definitely not canned. I felt very offended that I was being attacked for wanting information.

This whole situation was damned if you do, damned if you don't. I felt like there was information that would possibly help town (i.e. why Has wasn't giving us info) and got immediately jumped on for what seems to me to be a complete over-reaction. I think this whole thing was scum trying to find reason to target me.

That seems inconsistent with your previous claim that not wanting information shared is anti-town.

Sure, if you intentionally misrepresent or misinterpret my words.

This still seems a little over the top to me.

Pot, kettle, kettle, pot. I was being serious; I am not going to drop the first vote because I will be the first to admit that the whole baby thing has distracted me a lot from this game. No, I'm not bored, I'm just incredibly busy. I have not paid my usual level of attention. Sorry, baby comes first.

[Mizzy]

Holy, because I don't think the leader of the cult of the couch would ALSO be an SK. How overpowered would THAT be? Besides, I was right, Flame wasn't scum or the SK.

[Mizzy]

With my limited amount of playtime, I worry that were I to place the first vote, I would not have time to react fast enough to any developments. I don't want the town to lose just because I can't be quick on my feet at the moment.

[Mizzy]

I am willing to change my mind. I just need a good reason to.

[Mizzy]

All everyone is doing is waiting for someone else to make the first move. That is how the day will end; it just matters

who

will make that move. So I don't think not wanting to vote first can be held against me, considering that at least one other townie is doing the same damned thing I am.

Math, you do make a good point, actually.

[Mizzy]

Holy, please do not wait until the last minute because if you take too long, the deadline could hit and we wouldn't be able to do anything about it.

[Mizzy]

I think Holy's hesitation and stalling is enough to make me think she's our last scum/sk standing to be honest.

[Mizzy]

Going on evidence, gut and frustration at Holy for not fucking paying attention anything I have said about my decreased levels due to having a newborn at home. My participation level has nothing to do with my alignment and I am so, so sick of saying so.

Vote: Holy

[Mizzy]

OMFG. I hate this game

[Mizzy]

OMFG. I hate this game

Yeah, I hated the last day for you. mathcam's notes on the last day are fascinating, I'll link the QuickTopic if the mafia's good with it.

Yeah there literally was no way for me to win it for the town. It was lost yesterday for us.

[Mizzy]

I sux at this jester thing.

good game guys.

congrats to cam for the pullout at the end.

Now ladies, if you had been part of Mith's Minions. Surely your odds of spotting the devilish cam would've been much greater.

I hear signup fees are waived for people who've played a mafia game with the illustrious Mith.

I AM a Mith Minion. Didn't help at all