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Well, my vote was half tongue in cheek. But then gimbo responded, and sometimes I can't help but feed trolls.armlx wrote: TSN, you are basically attacking a Rosso-esque player for behaving in that manner. Think about it.
Gimbo, please don't fuck my sarcasm. I need that to do my laundry.
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I mean, that, as a town, we ought combine our coins in such a manner that we fire off a bunch of powers. Our best options are mass vig or mass investigation, which both have their ups and their downs. On the one hand, a mass vig is slightly more. . . final. On the other hand, at least some of our investigations will almost certainly be fake, which diminishes their value.
As I see it, these are our three (best) options:
1. Mass investigate.
2. Mass vig.
3. Massdoublevig. The problem with mass vigging is that scum who have coins will protect themselves. But mushrooms only protect against one kill, so if we have all our vigs target two people. . . scum presumably won't be able to defend against that, although it runs into the same "scum will lie" issues that mass investigate does.
All of this, of course, requires a mass coin claim first of all. I've already claimed mine.-
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Oh, I'm assuming that more coins will be introduced, but we can't really control that.farside22 wrote: The rules never stated how coins will be given.
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We aren't going to give them all to one person! Yeah, the odds are, we'll probably give some coins to scum, but we'll give more to town.gimbo wrote: As of now mass anything would'nt make sense, because we might be unknowingly pooling our coins into the hand of a scum and he'll be sitting in front of his computer laughing his ass off at our vain attempt.
Let's keep using farside's 25 coins as true (I'm guessing that's low, but no matter): That's about one a person. That means no one has enough to do anything. If we don't combine, all that's going to happen is scum are going to start killing us off, and then we'll have less coins, and still not enough to do anything with.-
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I agree, I much prefer gimbo mark 2 to gimbo mark 1. I'd no longer want you vigged on principle.
Yes, we'll have to reach consensus on who to give the coins to. I'm confident that we can come up with something.
Farside. . . what "odds?" are you even referring to? Four investigations. One of them is probably the nk, yeah. So that leaves three. We can't completely trust them, but that's still three investigations day 1. I'd be fine using any later coins to investigate our day 1 investigators. That seems like a good idea, or at least preferable to the alternative, which is standing around twiddling our thumbs.-
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Gimbo wins again with the scum refusing to hand over coins. Unless people want to get lynched for being anti-town, when the town decides its time to move coins, they'd better move coins. That said, the day hasn't even been going for more than 24 hours. People will come back and contribute. We shouldn't be anywhere near lynching yet.
But coin pooling can directly lead to optimal coin usage, meaning scum get no coins, unless, of course, town members hold out on us. Or are you referring to scum getting some of those coins? They'll have to give some away as well, unless they think they can chance getting away with lying about having coins at all.armlx wrote: Coin Pooling. Putting all the coins in one basket seems like the optimal way for something disasterous to happen, and pooling them with multiple people seems like the optimal way for scum to just get a bunch of coins.-
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Surye, gimbo's claimed a confirmable role, no reason to lynch him. I agree, if he lynch town, he should revive the lynch, because then it doesn't matter if he gets killed or not.
Now, moving on:
A few people have said, "oh, pooling coins is a good idea, just not today." The differences between today and the next day are:
A. Scum will have time to talk and figure out what their coin claims will be.
B. There is going to be more scum relative to town (because of nightkills)
C. Scum, via nightkills, will hold more coins than however many they have today.
Those are all good for the scum and bad for us. Now, if you oppose pooling and using altogether, fine, but if we're going to do it, today is the best time.-
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Ah, well, that's true, we could have gimbo give his item away. But now that its existence is public, it should still be used tonight if possible (if we lynch town).gimbo wrote: You're missing the point. It's not that black and white, if his "role" is an item, we have other methods to verify, and possibily better utilize. Can't think of this game with regular roles.-
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Pepsidude is an upstanding young citizen.pepsidude wrote: So we're not going to pool our coins and purchase a couple of investigations? Even if not all of the pooled coins get into town hands, this would still give us a good lead to go off of.
Thanks for that strawman. Obviously we should also be scumhunting. But we have this coin mechanic, and we ought to use it in the way that most benefits the town.somestrangeflea wrote: We could, you know, play Mafia. You seem to be focussing on the coins as though they are the sole factor that will make or break the game. They're like powers in any other game: They're useful if we've got them, but we shouldn't be relying on them. Vigs, Cops and Bulletproofs (powers which we can buy) exist in many other games, but they don't serve as a replacement for standard scumhunting.-
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I'm not saying game-breaking. I'm saying that we have these coins, as a town. I don't know how many people can buy items right now, but I'm guessing not that many. If we combine our coins so as to buy and use items immediately, we optimize that coin usage.armlx wrote: TSN, please lay out how this coin claiming is going to be game breaking again, because right now I don't see it in the slightest.
Also, as people like incrediball would know had they bothered to read the thread, if we use all our coins, the mafia can't take them by killing, hypothetical coin thieves can't steal coins we don't have, and we, get, say five investigations. Or eight vigs. Seems like a pretty good deal to me.-
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Shrug, centralizing them seems like an unnecessary step, but I'm not opposed to it.
What I would like to see happen is a coin claim, then figuring out how we want to use them (I'm still leaning mass investigate, but mass vigging has the advantage of not having to trust your vigs for them to work).
Then we vote (condorcet, instant runoff, whatever) for who our most trusted cops should be. We could have them investigate blind, which has the downside of potential double investigations, but if scum can roleblock, they won't know who to roleblock. On the other hand, public investigation targets are prey to the WIFOM of "why did scum kill this cop?". Someone suggested we have two cops investigate the same person, which makes our results more certain, but on the other hand, means we get half the results.
Something else I've been kicking around is having ourleasttrusted players receive the coins, buy the feathers, and investigate in a circle. As long as we don't have two scum in a row, we'll know which results we can't trust.
Step 3 is getting the coins where they need to go, and lynching someone, I guess. Probably farside, because she's scum.-
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The biggest reason I support this is that the usual reason you don't massclaim is so scum don't know who to kill--but the items are all one-shot. There's no harm in claiming items, because once you use them, you're no longer a target. (Unless, of course, you have something that you can only use during the day, and not until day 2, in which case you should probably have kept quiet. )-
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*Unless, of course, gimbo and surye are both scum who worked out a complicated claiming plan beforehand. . . er, yeah, gimbo's probably town.iamausername wrote: Well, now that Surye's touched his mushroom (lol), we can be sure that he's not making this up as he goes along.
Care to back that up?rogue shenanigans wrote: Individual based decisions on coin use> majority based coin use that can be influenced and corrupted by scum.
And the benefit of having "everyone potentially being a threat. . . is?"faerielord wrote: Pooling all our coins will render everyone that doesn't have a coin useless, but this way everyone could potentially be a threat.
Care to backriceballtail wrote: It would most likely end up hurting the town to mass vig and pool coins, as those who do not start with self recovery items are now at risk of your plan. It's a great idea... as a scum.thatup? Why would mass vig be more likely to hurt the town? Before you answer, consider this: what would the pro-town course be if we had multiple lynches day 1? Also, comments on mass investigation?-
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Farside wins the "first blatant misrepresentation post" award. First of all, I haven't FOS'dfarside wrote: What is rubbing me wrong with TSN is that he FOS's anyone that disagrees with him. I showed the numbers on why I felt the odds of coin pooling was bad and he still wanted to go along with it. I think he is nuts, but not scummy.anyone. Like, not a single person. I'm voting for farside. . .and I haven't noted any other suspicions. So farside's pretty much just making stuff up. She's scum, can we kill her?
Also, re: odds, you should know that having confirmed innocents is almost as good as having guilties, so the fact that cops are more likely to hit town than scum isn't really an issue.
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ALSO, CONFIRMED INNOCENTS ARE REALLY GOOD. Christ.
Farside: I didn't vote for you because you disagreed, I voted for youbecause you said we should wait until tomorrow.Which is a bad idea because the differences between today and tomorrow are:
A. Scum will have time to talk and figure out what their coin claims will be.
B. There is going to be more scum relative to town (because of nightkills)
C. Scum, via nightkills, will hold more coins than however many they have today.
Also, farside, this is what you said:
See, that's what you said. I was quoting you. And its not true. So either you're being uncommonly inattentive, or you were lying. I'll accept either explanation.farside wrote: What is rubbing me wrong with TSN is that heFOS's anyonethat disagrees with him. I showed the numbers on why I felt the odds of coin pooling was bad and he still wanted to go along with it. I think he is nuts, but not scummy.-
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Yeah. . . I didn't vote for you until you said "we should wait until tomorrow." Like I've said, that's what I'm locking in on. I don'tfarside wrote: How about the fact that you didn't like when anyone disagreed with you. Why do I get called out for it? Just because I was the first to say bad idea.likebeing disagreed with, because I think people are either knock-kneed cowards afraid to take chances or scum, but obviously they aren't all scum, and I've no particular interest in pursuing all of them. And haven't.
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MafiaSSK has replaced out within a day of joining or replacing every game I've ever been in with him. Which is now three.
If the majority of the town actually agreed to the plan, I would have a problem with holdouts, which is not the same is disagreeing with me over the plan being a good idea. Which is what you said.farside wrote: Basically you are saying here anyone who doesn't do the coin exchange is scum. That is like FOS'ing anyone who disagrees wouldn't you say?-
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The case against cream is starting to look better, and we're at 23 pages, and no one else seems interested in either pursuing farside or optimizing our coins. . . sounvote, vote cream.
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That would make our lives easier, but my read is that that isn't the case.ashmite wrote: I have faith in the coin-pooling idea but it would require a lot of co-ordination and my support for it depends on the answer to the following:
mod: is it possible to perform an action such as 'give all my coins to player X', or do you have to nominate an amount?
Farside keeps tripping my scumdar. Why FOS goborage when its clear that sideney is, regardless ofjoindate, is fairly fresh?-
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I made a very specific point, which was that I didn't like that you said we should wait until tomorrow. That only makes sense from scum's perspective, which is why I continue to think its scummy. Even my most recent post, I was saying I didn't like a specific post. Nothing about scummy vibes.farside wrote: All you are saying is you are getting scummy vibes and say "well the farside wagon isn't going anywhere." It's like you have no one else in your radar or scum vibe and then just vote with the flow. You don't think that doesn't look scummy to me? Honestly I think you are just being narrow minded on the subject.
If you think my play has beenscummy, say so. Instead, you're implying I'm voting for you because I've for some reason taken it personally that you disagree with me.-
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Ah, yes, the patented TSN plan of, "suggest plan no one else agrees with, get investigated, become confirmed, no longer have to explain actions" plan strikes again.
Srsly though, I still think we should pool some coins. I also don't think flea saying gimbo isn't confirmed is suspicious, because he's not confirmed. He's almost definitely town, but not confirmed. I don't get gimbo's reluctance to reveal the ability, but again, he's almost definitely town, so whatever.
I dislike armlx pursuing him for it, as it sort of boils down to semantics.
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No kill means investigation.Page 1 wrote: -Star (8 coins): protects yourself against multiple kills for one night, and grants you one nightkill. If you use this nightkill on someone who is on your side, he will not be killed. If you use this nightkill on someone who uses a mushroom or is immune to fireflowers, he will be killed (unless he’s on your side).-
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