Elemental Mafia- Game Over!

[kabenon007]

In keeping with tradition,

vote: SA.

[kabenon007]

But remember, there are limits on the recruiters powers. The recruiters cannot coordinate their recruiting, and remember that the Fire and Ice cults can't recruit or kill the same person, and the Earth and Wind can't recruit. That could change how many cultists we have or don't have.

[kabenon007]

EBWOP:

unvote, vote:Taffmaster

. Go wagon go, die scum die.

[kabenon007]

Well, if Taffmaster isn't scum I'm voting for elvis. One of the two of them is scum. But I'm sure it's Taff. Vote now please.

[kabenon007]

Vote: Macavenger. No one is as bad as Albert B. Rampage

[kabenon007]

Effing tags.

Vote:Macavenger

[kabenon007]

Unvote, vote:Mizzy

. She obviously doesn't know the town wants to kill cultists and HAS to kill cultists to win because she does not have a townie PM. Problem solved.

[kabenon007]

I did read them...but it seemed to me like a townie could win by being in any winning cult and just had to eliminate the SK and such.

Please, elaborate on the "and such" portion of the post above.

[kabenon007]

Well, I'm aiming for Mizzy. Why would a townie not know their own win condition? I don't care what she says, I can't see how she could get from that PM on the first page that townies wanted to be recruited by the winning cult.

...Although, that would make an interesting game... BM, you should jump on that.

[kabenon007]

No, the rules are not vague. If you are a townie, you win when the town wins. If you are recruited, you are no longer a part of the town, you are a part of the cult and therefore win when the town wins. You could want to get recruited, but you didn't say that that was one way for a townie to win, you said that was THE way for a townie to win.

Sometimes stupidity works out better than rigid logic. View BM's Uprising Mafia for the details. Right Lord_Hur?

[kabenon007]

Alright. I'm willing to hold off.

unvote, vote:macavenger

[kabenon007]

I guess I never thought about it, but can cult leaders recruit other cult leaders, thereby nullifying that leaders ability to recruit? And also, if a cult member can be recruited into a different cult, perhaps we aren't as screwed as we think.

So would all cult recruits claim please, with the name of the cult you belong to, and then we'll make one of the other cult leaders recruit you, which would answer a lot of questions.

[kabenon007]

While I'd say the PM's sound like they can still be recruited, Xtoxm is right, it matters not to the town.

Incorrect, it matters greatly to the town. If someone is already a cult member, and they are recruited to another cult, that is one less vanilla townie who got taken away from the town.

[kabenon007]

How not? Okay, let's take a look here. We have two cult leaders, Leader A and Leader B. Each Leader has one Follower: Follower of A and Follower of B. There are, just for sake of a number, six other townies. If both Leaders recruit a new Follower from the pool of townies, there would be four townies, Leaders A and B, and two Followers A and two Followers B. However, if Leader A recruits Follower B, and Leader B recruits from the townie pool, there is Leader A with his two Followers A, and Leader B with only one Follower B, which means only one new townie got recruited, leaving the town with five members instead of the four they would have if the cross recruit hadn't occurred. Therefore, a cross recruit means there is one more townie than if the cross recruit had not occurred.

[kabenon007]

Um... see above post.

[kabenon007]

I'm just saying that, in those ideal circumstances, it is helpful to the town.

[kabenon007]

But whether or not we know about it does not change the fact that there would still be one more townie, who has power just by adding numbers to the town. I'm just saying that it might not be as grim a night as we think.

[kabenon007]

Because if the blues and reds hadn't been swapping each other, the green would have gone down. But because the red and blue are fighting amongst themselves, they are not depleting the green. While the town doesn't gain members, it doesn't lose them either.

[kabenon007]

I'd say that whether the town loses one or two townies matters.

[kabenon007]

I'd assume cults can cross-recruit.

Dear Cult Leaders: I encourage you to cross-recruit other cultists! They'll know who the other leaders are, and then you can kill them! Yay cross-kills!

QFA

[kabenon007]

I think we were talking about two different things... lmao. I was saying that cross recruiting could benefit us, and you were talking about their choice. Eh... whatevs.

[kabenon007]

I'll bite.

Unvote, vote: TSPN

[kabenon007]

Lord_Hur's argument is full of WIFOM. So full my head is spinning.

Vote:Lord_Hur

[kabenon007]

As I said, this tactic is only going to work on first day, because on subsequent ones, CRs will probably try to recruit players who they think are "not as good", because the good ones will probably be already recruited by others.

Or they could think that because the other CR's would think that everyone would be going after the "bad ones" on D1, so they go after the "good ones" D1. Or vice versa. It just keeps going. It's either WIFOM or you know for a fact that is what a CR would do because you are one.

[kabenon007]

EBWOP: That first paragraph is a quote from Lord_Hur. Forgot the tags... oopsie.

[kabenon007]

Well, I suppose that we should consider the fact that the CR's saw this bum rushing as a possibility and refrained from recruiting anyone in an effort to make us do their dirty work for them.

Also, I agree with farside. It does us no good for townie who are -3 or 2 away to just give up. An inventor is a valuable role, if he had claimed that, I would have believed him, because I was just something like an inventor, besides, it seems like there are many odd roles in this game.

[kabenon007]

Agree with armlx. There is only one lynch in a regular game, and we rely on scumtells for most of those. Why not here?

unvote, vote:DoS

Seems like scum just trying to put in their two cents while only putting in a half-penny.

[kabenon007]

Look, I'm not going to lie, at some point my lynch might be beneficial to the town, but right now, today, is not the day to do it. I am not a cult recruiter, recruit, or the sk, and

I am not recruitable.

I am a

neutral party

in this madness.

I added the bold tags. If you are not recruitable, doesn't that automatically exclude you from the neutral party here? Shouldn't you be trying harder, instead of being neutral? You should have just stuck with recruitable and been done with it. Confirm: DoS

[kabenon007]

Don't buy the claim at all. As a survivor, you just lost yourself the game by claiming, which a real Survivor wouldn't do. The fact that they are the only person who knows that they are a Survivor is their most powerful weapon, and you just gave it up. Therefore, I call shenanigans on you.

[kabenon007]

I doubt I will do anything of the sort. If you'll notice, I would have no regrets about lynching the Survivor anyway. I've never played with a survivor, however, does the town win as well if Survivor stays til the end? Is it a joint win, or does the Survivor take the whole thing?

[kabenon007]

I definitely agree with elvis on this one.

Vote: Jediknight

[kabenon007]

All those not voting: do you have no opinion, are you just lurking, or are you just confused?

[kabenon007]

Eh, kill 'im. It's the only thing he could think of, because who in their right mind would counterclaim him as the real Wayne? He's just come up with a plan that, were he the SK, could keep him alive, and hope we confuse his kills with the real Wayne's and we keep him alive while he recruits more people. He could be lying and is still just a Cult Leader, secure in the fact that he will not be counter-claimed.

[kabenon007]

I mean, don't get me wrong, we could try to control his every night action, we could tell him who to roleblock each night and who to kill, it would be a great help to us in the night. But I'm just not willing to take that chance with that, personally, without some seriously awesome reasons.

[kabenon007]

Wait, who's Toaster Strudel?

[kabenon007]

Why can't you block a recruit?

[kabenon007]

It's really hard for me to prove my innocence, so to speak, against Muertto's suspicions, because the only possible explanation I have is that it was the truth, unfortunately that means diddly squat. However, Xtomx's agreement is worth looking at, I believe.

[kabenon007]

I'll one up you there, Macavenger.

Vote: Andycyca

. Claim at 3 votes? Nuh uh.

[kabenon007]

But the fact that you've brought this plan to the forefront now deadens some of its effectiveness. It would have been better to just suggest that we all go for one wagon, rather than going so indepth into how it works and why it would work. I don't care to explain myself further as to why, anyone who is smart can figure it out. But it is a good plan.

Unvote, Vote: Lowell

[kabenon007]

Yep. It's called bussing.

[kabenon007]

Also, I don't think Armlx is scum. So I voted for the only other logical choice.

[kabenon007]

And you completely ignore my second post. Interesting.

[kabenon007]

Oh please Muertto. You are just trying to find things to attack people for now. You answered how it could be bussing in your post against me already, why ask it if you already know the answer?

And did I say I know? No, I said that it was called bussing. That is what it could be. What's wrong with that? It could be that, couldn't it?

[kabenon007]

Appeal to emotion much? Trying to find things to attack people? Um..I've been the one trying to slow the lynches and get people to discuss things. With this last post I definitely feel confident

Unvote, Vote: Kabenon

Lulz

[kabenon007]

Why would you ask this after Muerrto and I had just said that we don't find armlx scummy?

He asked it so we don't force him to claim.

Also, @ErgO, why does Muertto's vote not being on me influence your desire to vote andycya?

[kabenon007]

Yep. Mirror mirror on the wall, which wagon will yield them all? CLs that is.

Unvote, vote: andy.

[kabenon007]

Unvote, vote: Xtomx. I also agree with Muertto's request. We need to get two lynches in before the recruiters can add to their numbers again.

[kabenon007]

Thanks, armlx. I'll just go hang meself now.

Unvote, vote:Xtomx

[kabenon007]

Unvote, vote:ooba

[kabenon007]

Meh, I've got finals this week, people lynched is better than no lynches, I don't have time to put out proper accusations. Not much I can do about it. Jump on other people who have done the same thing.

[kabenon007]

Fun game, thanks for bumrushing me all at once while I was away... jerks... I didn't even have time to post! I hate them all, except for Turtle(Poker)face.

[kabenon007]

I was playing to get recruited as well. And just before I was eligible, bam... lynched. Aww...