Elemental Mafia- Game Over!

[armlx]

Sure, I endorse a DGB claim. I also endorse mneme and cavebear lynches.

[armlx]

Vote: Mneme

that is all.

Does that not imply a guilty given what we know?

[armlx]

Adel's not going to vote him in the random stage if she has an innocent.......

Can we stop wasting time already and finish this?

[armlx]

Finally we get something done.

Cavebear next, or DGB?

[armlx]

Cavebear next, or DGB?

This should be determined now.

[armlx]

Cavebear next, or DGB?

This should be determined now.

I need a result first.

I don't mneme's cult or no changes my opinion of those two at all.

[armlx]

Ok, so everyone vote DGB as soon as we get to that point that we can.

[armlx]

Unvote, Vote DGB

That is all.

[armlx]

Claim and or die please. Full claim, no bread crumb crap.

[armlx]

Claim and or die please. Full claim, no bread crumb crap.

You're an idiot.

Don't feel like rereading.

[armlx]

DGB, just freaking claim already and stop acting like we should auto know and aren't lazy.

[armlx]

Wait a second here.....

I highly doubt 2x of a cop with watcher and tracker confirmed. Either DGB or xtoxm = lie.

[armlx]

xtoxm is prob the liar as he's alive. Just my thoughts. Rather kill Cavebear before dealing with that crap tho.

Unvote, Vote Cavebear

[armlx]

DGB's votes make no sense ever. Just saying.

[armlx]

There will be more votes on Cavebear if we do this now. Then we cna get xtoxm, but my route to the 2 lynches is faster. We still have an extra lynch after xtoxm if we are wrong as well if I counted right.

[armlx]

Or not.

Unvote, Vote xtoxm

[armlx]

I'm 100% sure Ergo is not a recruiter at this point. Other 2 I can support a lynch of.

[armlx]

Fair nuff.

[armlx]

Definitely agree with that one. I guess its the best false claim at this point as it maybe lets the 1 member of her cult go undetected, but it also lets the other one get out of hand if she is cult making her 1 recruit less good. Meh, xtoxm is scummier for not being dead.

[armlx]

That said I still side more w/DGB if for nothing else but his crumb.

I concur with this and would also think one of the cults would kill xtoxm if he was a cop.

[armlx]

Nice lie. You said your farside vote wasn't a crumb earlier after you claimed.

[armlx]

I don't know why your seeing connections from Farside to me that aren't there, though... (atleast, as far as I know)

I'm a temperature cop. Farside is not fire/ice cult.

No, you didn't.

[armlx]

Sadly I still side more w/DGB but the good news is if she's lying we have another recruit down after we kill you both

How so?

[armlx]

I definitely does show as a guilty. You voted them. See Adel -> mneme.

Neither or Erg0 or Farside is the better other choice I think. Prob nothing other than recruits at best.

[armlx]

To add to my own post I still like Pooky next. Maybe DR.

Optimal is Cavebear + one of them. Prob Pooky as Roland was RB'ed.

[armlx]

I don't buy a word xtoxm is saying right now.

[armlx]

No, they are meant to live as long as possible and they want to.

[armlx]

I bet DGB thought she could get another night at least before counter claiming. Or she wasn't paying attention.

[armlx]

Cult isn't gone, its just weak as hell as it can't kill or recruit.

[armlx]

I haven't been dominating this game as I often do, and I've been prodded once.

This makes me giggle.

[armlx]

Oh, effectively gone for scum hunting purposes. I see. They can still technically win was my point.

[armlx]

13 pages on a weekend? I hate you all.

LMAO I had to hit mute at work when I read this and I still almost didn't make it.

Hit mute on what?

New theory: Muerrto is artificial intelligence?

[armlx]

At work on the phone, tech support

I see. A likely excuse.

[armlx]

Yup L-1. You know what that means?

More votes plz!

[armlx]

I think VOTE OR DIE actually applies here.

[armlx]

More discussion > less time. We are obviously killing xtoxm, no reason not to finish the job ASAP.

[armlx]

If its a coin flip, why do you believe DGB is that much better as to not hammer xtoxm so we can get more time for the last 2 lynches? Or do you think the issue is that debatable?

[armlx]

Hmm, sarnathed.....

[armlx]

More so getting more time for the last 1 or 2 lynches then we would have otherwise so we can determine which of Cavebear/Pooky/DR gets the boot.

[armlx]

So I should lynch the peson that I think is slightly more likely to be the cop, so that we can get a little more discussion time? This is not a decision to be made lightly, it could conceivably end up being a deciding factor in the outcome of the game.

Fair nuff. I still don't see why xtoxm is more likely to be cop though.

[armlx]

Cavebear needs to die. Can we all agree on that?

[armlx]

I'm trying to figure which direction Muerrto's post is a whammy. On you or xtoxm? I don't get it.

[armlx]

Ahh, I get it now.

[armlx]

Xtoxm claimed temp cop erg0. Specifically temp cop/

[armlx]

Xtoxm claimed temp cop erg0. Specifically temp cop/

To clarify: which cult do you think he's in?

Temp. The point in claiming cop as scum is if there is a counter claim you have a chance of eliminating the right cop to give your group the best chance.

[armlx]

Yeah, but your post no longer confirms you were (or were going to claim) something RB'able.

[armlx]

No, Erg0 is definitely not a recruiter. He has no need to die today.

Also, it does not confirm you were going to claim an RB before an RB was revealed was my point.

[armlx]

No, I'm just making a point. I like lynching xtoxm much more.

[armlx]

And finally some progress is made.

[armlx]

(and as per above Erg0 != recruiter, I'm sure of that.)

[armlx]

Cave is my choice.

[armlx]

Why do you guys think Erg0 is not scum?

Erg0's more likely to be a recruit. Rather go for a possible recruiter.

What is the evidence?

Another CL wouldn't protect xtoxm like that. A recruit would.

[armlx]

Cavebear is obv lying. Just an issue of leader vs. recruit, but I would think a recruit would use their original role as a claim.

[armlx]

Another CL wouldn't protect xtoxm like that. A recruit would.

I see. What of the possibility that he might be the CL for the other temp cult? He'd want to see me dead instead of Xtomx too, no?

Then his actions would be the exact same as any town player making the decision. I also have felt Erg0 has been acting pro-town all game.

[armlx]

In fact, now that I think of it, DR, Pooky, and Cave are really the only ones left that

could

be recruiters unless we disbelieve Elvis, Andy etc.

I thought that was determined about 10 pages ago, +/- xtoxm and DGB.

[armlx]

You sarnathed me on the gender thing. As for doing well today, we better after our record yesterday.

[armlx]

Well once we killed half the town, finding the cults were easy. It's like Iraq...only funny because it's not real.

Sig'ed

[armlx]

Macavenger's post is pretty much right.

[armlx]

Definitely paranoia at this point.

[armlx]

Recruit finding is definitely the most obnoxious part.

[armlx]

Pooky's last post is very Pooky like. Thats my thoughts on the subject after Cavebear dies.

[armlx]

I seriously doubt both of xtoxm's claims are scum. Too obvious. Possibly one, and as per what I said way earlier Farside is probably it.

[armlx]

Pre-emptive discussion isn't bad, just possibly obsolete.

[armlx]

I think killing recruits is important too then.

I don't think you understand the scenario. If either of the two had a killing role, it would have been used last night regardless of when they were recruited.

[armlx]

I took BM's response to mean that the cult recruits could still use the cult's kill power, even though the recruiter was dead. I'm guessing Pooky thought the same thing. Is that a correct assessment? I'm pretty sure that BM wouldn't be giving us clues about which roles would retain their abilities when recruited.

Thats what I took it as. Read the role PMs, the killing ability seems directly tied to the recruiter.

[armlx]

I do believe I already explained that last part. DGB just never listens.

[armlx]

I was assuming he was talking about the second. Mod clarification would be nice though.

[armlx]

Vote Cavebear

Stop dicking around. Turning all the cults into killing groups instead is miles better then leaving a recruiter active as cross kills can occur. More dead Cavebear/DR/Pooky, in my order of preference.

[armlx]

3 > 2.

[armlx]

pooky has been a good pooky this game. Or at least from what I have seen of Pooky.

[armlx]

He brings up remotely decent points.

[armlx]

Hence the remotely part.

[armlx]

Lol your calm, middle of the road, 1 liner posts infuriate me Armlx, I hope you know that

I have a job and I do it well.

[armlx]

Cavebear was one of the few not excluded by claim/investigation results.

[armlx]

I still don't particularly support lynching you today, I'm just baffled by what you're doing.

I thought this was evident.

[armlx]

I'm currently looking back to find the relevant posts on Cavebear. Will hammer after that if I'm satisfied he's a good lynch.

The relevant posts are stalling on a claim, claiming an unclaimable role, then claiming that BS super saint role.

[armlx]

50%. odds is the least of it. Losing the role off a claim, etc.

[armlx]

Yeah, it is more likely, but its such a cheap ass cop out of stalling on a claim.

[armlx]

I like Dr over pooky next.

[armlx]

That would be the most savage gotcha I've seen in a while.

[armlx]

Yay, we have a remotely decent amount of time to consider our next lynch!

[armlx]

Yeah, moving along, I like Pooky so far.

Vote Dead Rikumaru

[armlx]

I think you are better off jailing someone you think is cult to stop a kill/recruit that way.

[armlx]

Umm, 1st DGB result plz.

[armlx]

Tomorrow is probably the optimal claim day based on the <=7 rule.

[armlx]

<=7 rule is the general concept that in a game once you reach 7 players alive mass claim is usually optimal.

[armlx]

Also, waiting on Kison's response.

[armlx]

Shrug. I like mass claims.

[armlx]

Farside is on LA till Tuesday. I don't think waiting till then is the right choice.

I say Muerrto claims now though. I have reasons.

[armlx]

Second the farside death. Don't even need a claim.

Vote farside

[armlx]

Also, Muerrto, your role was kinda obvious from the second you questioned Andy's results. Just making sure you weren't going to screw up a fake claim or something.

[armlx]

I'd have assumed my role would be obvious by now as well.

[armlx]

The answer will be revealed later. I'll just say I'm 100% sure the CL's are Pooky and Farside, though I guess Elvis could be one on a way outside chance. Has her ability been confirmed yet?

[armlx]

Crap, I just thought of something. We have to do math on possible living recruits to ensure we aren't just going to lose to night kills.

Seriously BM just saying the cults w/o a leader get a kill made things really awkward.

[armlx]

Meh, that does confirm her actually. I don't really see that as really alarm bellish. I also did the math, we have enough alive to not just lose to NKs.

[armlx]

IDK if Elvis really meant that though. It makes no sense for Farside as a recruiter to target DGB.

I guess theres the option of Farside as recruit, Elvis + Pooky as recruiters.

[armlx]

Unvote

I don't think Kison has done anything that confirms his watcherness. I have to think about this.

[armlx]

I still think its most likely for Kison to be a recruit right now.

[armlx]

I'm guessing before last night too, based on his claim of target N2. Mac, you blocked Pooky last night and the night before, right?

[armlx]

So Pooky/Mizzy recruited Kison N1 is my guess and Farside is the other recruiter. Elvis is a possible recruit.

[armlx]

(Pooky is probably Fire Recruiter, Farside Wind).

[armlx]

Muerrto, I'm actually assuming that Farside recruited Elvis as she doesn't care about DGB living.

Kison has the info from N1 as he was still a watcher that night before Mizzy would have recruited him.

We also only have 1 week, and Farside won't post till Tuesday at the earlier (posted V/LA till then in other games). Do we all agree Pooky is scum and should be lynched before then so we have time on the last one?

[armlx]

You're telling me that you think a Wind recruiter tried killing/recruiting a TEMPERATE cop?

No, I'm saying you don't have any real results for N2 and N3 as Pooky, the fire recruiter, recruited you N1.

[armlx]

I still say it's a mod mistake. But I wanna kill Pooky then Farside unless

his

her claim is stellar.

Fixed.

Also,

Vote Pooky

.

[armlx]

I think we have this in the bag, with 5 confirmed townies. We lynch 2 of Kison, Farside, Pooky, and Elvis, Mac blocks one of the remaining 2, and we lynch the rest. GG.

[armlx]

I've been dropping hints about this since forever ago. Erg0 and I are confirmed masons AKA if one is recruited the other is told so.

[armlx]

Yeah, Pooky's claim fails on math. If his claim is right, he himself must be a recruit. Muerrto and DGB are confirmed unrecruitable, and I believe Mac. And for him to be a recruit, he would have had to have been recruited N1 b/c of the jailkeeps, meaning his last 2 results would be lies anyways.

Basically, his claim fails miserably.

[armlx]

I am sure your death will confirm Erg0 + myself as pro-town and lead to an assured town win.

[armlx]

Wind recruiter actually confirms us both quite nicely.

[armlx]

Also, while I hate to bring externalities like this into the game, Pooky has to be lying about the correction PM. He claimed at 8:40 pm, claimed correction at 3:30ish am.

Battle Mage is the one who would correct these things.

1) BM has not posted since 1:50pm, and this is BM we are talking about here.

2) BM is in England, meaning said times (those I have given are EST) are between 5am and 10am his time.

[armlx]

I'm just posting these right now so I don't have to go back and keep looking.

Elvis
N1 Roland/DR
N2 Cave
N3 Farside

Mac
N1 DGB
N2 + N3 Pooky

This means 2 possible Mneme recruits, 2 possible xtoxm recruits, 1 possible Pooky recruit, 2 possible Farside recruits. I doubt there's another xtoxm recruit due to the 1 kill last night thing, I'm sure there is 1 or 2 mneme recruits as buried alive was the flavor of said kill and neither is kison based on his reveals. Unsure on the last 3.

[armlx]

Also, absolute worst case is 4/2/2/1 or something similar. Absolute worst case.

[armlx]

Hold up. We are actually sure Farside is the other recruiter. Better off for Mac to just jail her and for us to try to lynch the last Earth recruit. Keeps town losses down over night.

[armlx]

Muerrto, there's def an Earth cult straggler based on last nights kill MO. I do see your logic on Farside possibly being alone though.

[armlx]

I have been informed that if a player is roleblocked, that they do not go anywhere.

Just sayin'

Thats interesting, either means you or EK is lying.

[armlx]

Yes, sir, it does. And I know it ain't me.

But I don't.

Also, the likely hood Mac is lying keeps increasing.

[armlx]

Mac: No, I don't think you are lying about having been a jail keep for N0 when she confirmed you. Though Pooky's last posts seemed pretty truthful about being gimped. IDK, you are the last resort lynch in my book, but the odds of having to use that are rising IMO.

Also, Kison is def not earth. He would have been bussing Mneme way too hard. I'm thinking EK = Earth, Kison + Farside = Fire.

[armlx]

Hmm, forgot about that. Hmmm.

Any way I look at it, Kison isn't the right lynch today. EK is probably lying then, Farside probably forgot she couldn't recruit DGB.

Vote Farside

[armlx]

Muerrto, you are forgetting the kill MO was buried alive, aka Earth.

[armlx]

Muerrto, the kill MO's in non-newbie games are often very telling. For example, in a large normal, mafia often kills via gun shots, SK via knife, cult via poison. And in themes its usually very telling as to what role killed.

[armlx]

Elvis first is all I know.

[armlx]

Yeah, no reason to stop talking though, right?

[armlx]

You should probably target Mac.

[armlx]

Mac blocks Elvis who blocks Kison? Seems right. We will be able to tell who is lying pretty quickly.

[armlx]

Yeah, thats what we are assuming DGB.

So with those blocks, Kison watching one of the 3 confirmeds who he can, and 1 lynch all should be clear.

[armlx]

My point is you set up a chain. It could be Elvis blocks you who blocks Kison.

[armlx]

Not really. Thoughts on who should block/watch who?

[armlx]

Shrug. So I jail elvis, elvis blocks Kison, Kison watches DGB then?

Kison watches DGB, myself, or Erg0, but yeah.

[armlx]

I'm trying to figure if Elvis being blocked by Mac or Kison being block by Mac is better.

[armlx]

EBWODP:

Unless we come to a major decision otherwise, the chain should be

Elvis blocks Mac who blocks Kison who watches any confirmed other than Muerrto.

[armlx]

Do all the blocks stop kills? Elvis? Mac?

Second this.

[armlx]

Issue is kison is most likely to be cult aka most likely for kill to be stopped on, and if he gets no result Mac is pro-town.

[armlx]

DGB, Fire Recruiter was obv Farside AKA is dead.

Though if Farside isn't it, Mac needs to block EK as thats who it is.

[armlx]

DGB, we got it on lock with regards to the fire recruiter. If its Farside, she is dead. If its not, its EK and she gets RBed. You check one of the 3 unconfirmeds tonight, we all live happily ever after.

[armlx]

Ok, so if Farside is the Fire Recruiter, DGB Investigates Elvis, Elvis blocks mac, Mac blocks Kison, kison watches DGB/myself/Erg0.

If she isn't, DGB investigates Mac, Mac blocks Elvis, Elvis blocks Kison, Kison watches DGB/myself/Erg0.

[armlx]

Or to cross kill. All depends.

[armlx]

Yeah, watching you is definitely right, though obv Kison is lying.

[armlx]

Who is this you that you are talking about, DGB or myself?

[armlx]

Well, thats interesting.

Elvis + Mac, targets please, also both of you ask the mod what happens in the event of a chain RB.

[armlx]

Well, I guess Mac is confirmed town. Yay for fears being wrong.

Also, if Kison was mafia and his kill didn't resolve, he would know he was RB'ed, so he could still be lying.

Also want DGB results.

Anyways, in summary, scum should pack it in. Mac has more or less a guilty on you, and even if he didn't town wins on math.

[armlx]

And you guys were really masons? Wow. Common role mixed in a game with funky ones. Makes sense the way you two acted towards each other tho.

Watcher, Jailkeep, RB, Tracker, Cop, and SK are all pretty common, as is Survior.

[armlx]

I'm almost 100% sure Mac was lying about his recruitability for obvious reasons. If I had been CL he would have been my N2 recruit.

[armlx]

As a rule, Cult Recruits can only kill.

This says otherwise Elvis.

I say its Kison though.

[armlx]

(sorry to triple post) Which is just insane after how day 1 went.

Yeah, N1 Erg0 and I definitely discussed whether it would be worth trying to be recruited after that disaster.

[armlx]

Kison, doubt she did as the kill was Earth cult the night before last. I think Farside was 0 for 3 on recruits. Probably N1 + N2 cross target + hit another recruiter/recruit post recruit, then N3 tried for Andy.

[armlx]

Oh, yeah, forgot about that. Thats the better explain for N3.

Yeah, Kison down once everyone gives actions/results.

[armlx]

Meh, I really don't care at this point kison. Once Mac says who he targeted we will lynch them and move along.

[armlx]

K, Elvis today seems good first I guess once everyone says stuff.

[armlx]

Erg0:

Confirmeds:
Muerrto
armlx
Erg0
DGB

Probably confirmeds:
Mac

Not Confirmeds:
Elvis
Kison.

No kill last night = whoever Mac JK'ed is scum.

[armlx]

What was the proof of Muerrto's claim? I think I missed that.

Andycyca got a null result on him. Not a "didn't move", an actual null.

[armlx]

Oh, regardless I still believe you as your claim was obv from D1.

[armlx]

K, you blocked Kison.

Vote Kison

[armlx]

Erg0 actually makes some sense here.

Unvote

while I consider that.

[armlx]

Because you had to make some kind of result or we wouldn't believe you?

[armlx]

Meh, we still win even if Elvis can block and everything. Kison is more prob scum.

Vote Kison

[armlx]

Not really, considering Farside scum = obv at that point.

[armlx]

He would know that if he asked, but meh. He's the must suspect by far due to missing kill.

[armlx]

Meh, my vote is good regardless is all I know or care about now.

[armlx]

I like the Erg0 plan.

[armlx]

Hmm, valid point.

Unvote

[armlx]

Meh, Elvis lynch vs. Kison doesn't matter except in the most outrageous scenario. I like the didn't send in kill logic.

Vote Elvis

[armlx]

Was JDTay flip-floppy?

No clue. The title was actually intended for him and accidentally applied to my account.

[armlx]

Was JDTay flip-floppy?

No clue. The title was actually intended for him and accidentally applied to my account.

I just realised our join dates are exactly two years apart.

I still can't decide who to vote for.

Feb. 25/26th (depending on time zone) is possibly the best day for members joining in MS history. Myself, Stoofer, you, BabyJesus are the 4 I know of off the top of my head.

[armlx]

Yeah, we have this game on lock now. I can't actually imagine a scenario where town doesn't win.

[armlx]

EBWODP: Ok, I can, but it involves Muerrto both lying and being dumb enough to try to kill Kison last night or just no killing.

[armlx]

Lol, winning as town after during N1 Erg0 + I were discussing the best ways to get one of us recruited.

[armlx]

xtoxm, why not recruit N0? Recruit > kill by far.