Elemental Mafia- Game Over!

[armlx]

I would enjoy a TSN lynch based on the mass claim attempt.

Vote TSN

This Mizzy business in an open game is sorta stray to be attacking.

[armlx]

Actually a little bit more...

The fact that people town today could be cult tomorrow scares me alot. Remember that penny thing where you add a penny a day and over a month you make like a million dollars or something? Yeah...kinda like that.

So I think that unrecruitables are very valuable. Not saying I necessarily believe the current roleclaim but wanted to put that statement out there.

unvote, vote: jedinight

on account of the use of the expressions "scares me a lot" - sounds exactly like what a cult recruiter might say.

Agree with this, though TSN said the same thing along with the crap logic of someone with 3 votes must be lynched.

Also calling no backsies on your mass claim thing TSN. It was pretty massively potentially disasterous to the extent just saying "my bad" doesn't cut it.

[armlx]

I support the jedi and TSN wagons as per the above post. I'll just go with whichever has critical mass at the time so things can get done.

[armlx]

I am unrecruitable. Hence the term scares me a lot.

Explain why, please.

Just waggling the worm out there waiting for him to bite, eh?

No clue why anyone would claim otherwise though at this point. It's like claiming you aren't scum.....

[armlx]

TSN was naughty!!!

All I can say is lol.

[armlx]

Agee 1000% with the End DAy = anti-town sentiment. Talking > not talking.

[armlx]

Jailkeeper is a weakened protective role that serves the form of the game though (stopping cult recruits).

[armlx]

K, moving along.

Vote Jedi

[armlx]

What do you think ?

I don't. Lynching good players is not a way to win, especially as lynching recruits is not the route to victory until later on.

[armlx]

unvote:
vote: Armix

I'm not liking his lynch happy ways especially before we gain information from the Mod on whether TSPN was telling the truth or not.

Telling the truth about what? His not claim? His alignment has 0 to do with Jedi's really.

[armlx]

1. This is not about lynching good players, it is about lynching famous players, and anyway this a bad argument, because good players are as dangerous as scum as they are good to have as town. I'm actually much comfortable playing with bad players/newbies as town, because they are much more likely to make mistakes at one point or another.

Just recruiting famous players is the worst strategy ever, just imagine theres a protective or tracking role, who is going to be targetted?

Also, the good players are dangerous as scum so lets lynch them argument is A) terrible and B) really scummy. The person has a 1/4 chance of being scum usually, so the benifits of them being town are weighed 3 times as heavily as their being scum. In this game, even if they are scum, theres stil 4 other groups for them to find and destroy to win.

2. This is not about lynching recruits, this is about lynching players who are more likely to be recruits.

We are currently choosing at random.

Again, lynching recruits != a winning strategy till all the recruiters are dead.

And we are lynching those who are most likely to be scum. Its called scum hunting.

I think we just increase our chances to hit scum if we target famous players. I mean, who could resist trying to have Erg0 or you at their side ?

Attempt to buddy up I'm pretty sure.

3. As I said, this tactic is only going to work on first day, because on subsequent ones, CRs will probably try to recruit players who they think are "not as good", because the good ones will probably be already recruited by others.

They would still be scum after being recruited....

Your post is full of faulty logic and WIFOM about potential cult actions. Basically, I call BS and you trying to get the better players out of the way to coast through. Far worse than anything Jedi has done.

Unvote, Vote Lord_Hur

[armlx]

Well, I suppose that we should consider the fact that the CR's saw this bum rushing as a possibility and refrained from recruiting anyone in an effort to make us do their dirty work for them.

No, doubt it.

Also, I agree with farside. It does us no good for townie who are -3 or 2 away to just give up. An inventor is a valuable role, if he had claimed that, I would have believed him, because I was just something like an inventor, besides, it seems like there are many odd roles in this game.

Agree.

[armlx]

Is it just me or are there more and more quitters on mafiascum these days?

"Fine, kill me. See if I care. I'll show you. I didnt' want to win anyway. Takes one to know one. I'm taking my ball and going home!"

LH goes on my list of players not to play with again.

This has been a topic of discussion/concern for a while. The first game I was back where I wasn't dead by the end of D1 was someone posting their role PM at L-1 (after we didn't believe their claim of townie). LH's was probably the least disrepectful instance I've seen though.

[armlx]

Money on DoS being a recruit.

[armlx]

Let's not.

[armlx]

Gut feeling is a myth.

What

about her posts rub you the wrong way?

Respond to this post please DoS.

[armlx]

I am very unwilling to trust what look like obvious scumtells at this point (after what has happened already today). Especially since we now have a limited number of lynches left.

Very incorrect. 1) Most games have limited lynches and you trust these tells and 2) scum tells are part of scum hunting which is part of town winning.

[armlx]

It appears I forgot to do this at some point.

Vote DoS

That is all.

[armlx]

mneme: while your point may be right, I don't feel she is worth pursuing at this point in time given the nature of cult games. Possibly/probably later on once options start to narrow and CL's fall.

[armlx]

Oh, neutral claim.

Yeah, death time please.

[armlx]

IDK, but DoS should be lynched.

[armlx]

Unless its confirmable it shouldn't be trusted.

[armlx]

Ummm, yeah, but no. Lynch please.

[armlx]

xtoxm, when you say CR do you mean Cult Recruiter (aka Leader) or Cult Recruit?

[armlx]

xtoxm, when you say CR do you mean Cult Recruiter (aka Leader) or Cult Recruit?

Sorry, yeh I mean leader. Gotten used to saying CR in my mini cult mafia, currently ongoing.

Had the same confusion occur in Cultafia, hence the reason I asked.

[armlx]

Was already going to move here before that last post.

Vote Jedi

[armlx]

Lol, the vote count got sarnath'ed.

[armlx]

Korlash's logic is the same as "Look at those trying to scum hunt but faking it" that normally applies. Usually those trying to fake being pro-some endevour are scum.

[armlx]

That would be correct, yes. I was busy over the weekend when the game exploded, hence I missed something like 14 pages of action. I'm playing now, though.

Ok, that's fair enough, just don't wanna let people use lurking as a strategy.

But you didn't unvote...

That is an accurate observation, yes...

So, since you didn't again, you are voting someone for not having access? Sounds dumb/opportunistic to me.

[armlx]

Seems more dumb then scum, especially given my xtoxm experiences from Weather Mafia.

[armlx]

Weren't you also in Weather Mafia, or do you not feel this is similar behavior?

[armlx]

Any reason why armlx isn't being lynched?

Any reason you think I should be?

[armlx]

Any reason why armlx isn't being lynched?

Any reason you think I should be?

Nah, you're guilty unless found innocent, that's all.

Lol, k. Thought as much. Have fun with that logic winning games.

[armlx]

Sounds okay. If I had to meta this, I'd say it's the sort of second-tier experienced players that will be targetted for recruit. Someone like armlx.

vote armlx

Hi, I'm WIFOM, nice to meet you. There are infinite factors around recruits you can't just assume. And again, cult games aren't won by lynching recruits D1.

[armlx]

I'm waiting on a response from Roland to see what I think about that. I've already expressed my dislike of Jedi.

And

FOS Muerrto

for using the "defensiveness" scum tell.

[armlx]

Defensiveness is not a scum tell, but instead an easy way to push a wagon as if the person defends themself, its just them being more defensive.

[armlx]

I have if you care to read.

[armlx]

And yes, this game is fast and the wagons are haphazard. I'll be amazed if town wins...

This alone has convinced me that Pooky (repl. Mizzy) is not a valid lynch as Mizzy figured out the game like 10 pages early, which seems pretty townish IMO.

[armlx]

Hmm.... I'm torn between the fact that the town actually wants Wayne to live to get in more kills on potential leaders before they recruit and the fact that a claimed SK has stone nothing keeping him from just killing anyone as he has pretty much lost.

[armlx]

The issue becomes that with him claimed its probably best for him to just not try and kill cult leaders for now as it creates more dissent among the town and might let him weasel out a win, and letting him kill cult leaders is the only reason for him to be alive.

[armlx]

Oh yeah, multi-lynch solves that problem.

K, die scum die.

[armlx]

I can't really follow either of the two wagons right now. Def don't feel they are vote worthy.

[armlx]

I'm liking this vote the best.

Vote Farside

Labelling Lowell's vote as OMGUS? Trying to push an "easy" lynch much?

[armlx]

Farside's voting history has been pretty unstellar so far as well, mainly how fast it jumps. Its pretty insane even for this game.

[armlx]

Farside's voting history has been pretty unstellar so far as well, mainly how fast it jumps. Its pretty insane even for this game.

pot this is kettle how are you doing?

My Votes: TSN, DoS, Jedi, You.

1 townie who was acting fairly scummy, 1 person who claimed survivorunder pressure, 1 claimed SK who has no reason to kill cult leaders which is the only thing he is useful for.

You: TSN, Jedi, Wayne, Mizzy, etc....

Your vote changes between lynches with each change of popular opinion.

[armlx]

Agree with the lulz.

[armlx]

Muerrto: Playing an multiple lynches a day cult game is probably an inaccurate example of newbies vs experienced players.

[armlx]

As for your last post, I think the deal is people are probably willing to vote for multiple people at this point and are chilling on the one they find most scummy. Doesn't mean they won't switch once a specific wagon hits critical mass. Your proposistion just seems like an awkward way of stating what we already assume will occur.

[armlx]

The issue is you begin to lock people into decisions they don't really want to make.

[armlx]

Meh, I noticed it, feel its kinda stray, but I'm waiting to see what happens before deciding on it. You however I am pretty solid on voting.

[armlx]

I can back this one.

Unvote, Vote Andycyca

[armlx]

1) Why claim recruitable.

2) N0 result plz.

[armlx]

If you had an actual targetting result you would be believable. Vote stands for now.

[armlx]

Wait, are you saying his result conflicts with what he should have received, yet you believe him?

[armlx]

I'm not saying I'm willing to wait on a mod thing, I'm just interested in the logic behind believing it.

Self vote isn't a town thing at that point BTW. Def null tell at best.

[armlx]

Meh, disagree on that. Self hammering does make sense at that point as scum with a partner to ensure they don't do something dumb to connect them to you.

[armlx]

Lol at that last post.

[armlx]

I'm definitely considering nominating that for a title after this game is over.

[armlx]

It's possible he's a recruit, self hammering would make sense then; as it prevents the possibility of drawing more links to your recruiter. Hell, even if he's a recruiter that has a recruit, if he knows he's screwed up and is about to be lynched, I guess there's always a faint hope he could win by having his recruit survive into a final 3 and endgame a townie. I agree self-hammering isn't bad for town in this game under certain conditions like it normally would be, but it's far from a town tell.

It's also possible that he knew he wasn't self hammering according to the rules and was gambiting hoping we'd assume he was dead and move on or something.

If you have knowledge that his result claim is bogus for some reason, I'd be inclined to trust that.

:goodposting:

[armlx]

Well, if you are that sure...

Unvote

Looking back on xtoxm he's scummy for some of the reasons I found farside scummy (voting record, especially the Mizzy vote), and I can see a possible connection based on xtoxm's random vote and farside's weak attack, albeit a weak one at best. Rather lynch farside first and go from there though, so

Vote Farside

[armlx]

@Armlx: Shrug, I'll lynch Farside if you'll lynch Xtomx

I'm with you here. Not sure which is best to start with given the possible connection I noted, thoughts?

[armlx]

Um... you kinda quoted the answers to those questions......

[armlx]

No, but in context of you and farside being scummy to me its a potential leader-recruit connection especially with farside's weak attack on you.

[armlx]

No, but it definitely happens. Distancing and what not.

[armlx]

My random vote was not a scum distancer, I assure you.

This post helps determine anything how?

[armlx]

I'd prefer Xtomx first just since it doesn't matter and his agressive posting lately while under heat is in contrast to his posting earlier in the game. His insistence on lynching Andy even after the claim was odd as well.

Fair enough. Also, the more I think about it, xtoxm's alignment is much more indicative of farside's then visa versa as farside did more proactive interaction with him then he did with her.

Unvote, Vote xtoxm

[armlx]

I endorse the above request.

[armlx]

Bolding helps Kabenon.

[armlx]

5 votes.... anyone else care to assist?

[armlx]

Lame. Or anti-lame. Whichever applies to not playing forum games on the weekend.

[armlx]

Unvote

Explains the xtoxm -> farside connection (not visa versa tho).

And agree with Muerrto.

Vote ooba

[armlx]

Muerrto, still up for that kabenon lynch after this one?

[armlx]

For me it was his last post which triggered it for me, and quite frankly his posting is off from what I have seen of town him and what I expect from town in general.

[armlx]

No, its just the lack of anything but a vote that irked me. No discussion of anything that happened since his last vote, just DIE OOBA DIE.

[armlx]

Trusting a claimed SK who has no real way to win is bad.

[armlx]

Explains the xtoxm -> farside connection (not visa versa tho).

Well what is the F - Me connection...Don't really see it myself...I think it's most likely the weak attack was just a weak attack...

Given your claim thats what it seems to have been, and your random of farside is also explained like I said before.

[armlx]

Korlash, move your vote to ooba so we can proceed please.

[armlx]

The only really town tell I see on him is his complaining about BM's rules change. Not enough for me to unvote.

[armlx]

I'm pretty sure that he was the first to suggest that we lynch as many times as possible each day.

No, you were. He was running under the assumption we would never have to go to night if we did that, which is different.

[armlx]

I guess, not sure whether no lynching him at this point (more or less) is even the right play though.

[armlx]

Well, he hasn't come out per say, he just sorta said he was a townie and its kinda obv now.

[armlx]

Agree, more ooba death please.

[armlx]

I believe 6:13pm EST on the 7th (today). AKA 18 hours from now.

[armlx]

I lied, its Thursday at 6:13 EST, forgot the day extension.

[armlx]

EBWODP: Korlash, your logic is flawed. In fact, being on more lynch wagons is actually pro-town in this game, as per what was said about us wanting the most lynches possible per day. The exception comes when the person starts just wagonning and not finding things to contribute to the wagons or new ones, or trying to start new ones off invalid reasoning.

[armlx]

No cult can NK, except all 4 of them who can trade in their recruit for a night kill. Reading the open role PMs = tech.

[armlx]

Most lynches per day = most chance of CL being lynched in D1 randomness = gimped cult.

Korlash: Most post accounts for those people who are "just wagonning". As you can see, I called out kabenon on it.

[armlx]

As for Ooba... I heavily doubt that a recruiter would claim townie,

Why? Townie is a pretty simple claim, unprovable, etc.

[armlx]

And claiming a power role makes them less of a target how?

[armlx]

Moving along, already stated why I don't like him and what not.

Vote kabenon

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Korlash, you also forget the idea that they can assume 2 cults simul recruited and cancelled.

[armlx]

Korlash, I think you are out guessing your own guesses at this point.

[armlx]

It makes you just as likely to be right as someone playing on a random level of thought. You are thinking levels of outhinking beyond most people in the game and most likely the majority of the cults, to the extent your logic, while right, is not an optimal predictor of peoples actions.

[armlx]

You are setting up a prisoner's dilemma where the right play is to kill if you think everyone else will and recruit if everyone else kills. Add to that the fact a successful recruit is infinitely more +EV then a kill and I doubt you will get these results.

[armlx]

Meh, speculation on this has gone to far, I'm still confused on your logic as to what incentive the cults have to help each other out and how you can direct them.

[armlx]

Its what you are implying by having 2 kill and 2 recruit so the most anti-town progress is made.

[armlx]

Lowell is a good lynch for tomorrow for similar reasons to Kabenon.

[armlx]

They are Korlash. Again, prisoner's dilemma or the John Nash thing: What is best for the group is not best for individuals. The cults with recruits are far ahead in an end game scenario compared to those without them.

I fail to see this difference you are making between cults. If its regarding xtoxm, its even more WIFOM as their kills cancel.

[armlx]

Err, by Wifom I mean prisoner's dilemma. If both kill, they lose, if both recruit its ok for both, if 1 kills and other recruits its +EV for both but more for the recruiting cult.

[armlx]

2 more, 19 hours.....

[armlx]

Woot. Did it, no not lynching for us!

Can we finally go 2.5/9?

[armlx]

xtoxm, result please.

[armlx]

Korlash seemed really odd to me with that whole directing all the CL's thing yesterday.

I definitely think Erg0 is town though. When he has talked, he has been very productive.

As per the first.

Vote Korlash

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[armlx]

I think Korlash is more pressing than Lowell, but Lowell is still scummy. DGB is DGB and should be lynched if no one scummier then neutral on whatever scale you are using can be found.

[armlx]

DGB does dumb things in every game. This dumb thing doesn't match up with her other dumb things quite well (she's usually more vocal), so I'm more suspicious then the normal "Ran out of suspects / have a spare vig kill, DGB dies".

[armlx]

Actually, this is making a lot more sense now. DGB and Korlash teaming up on the crusade vs. me, I can see one recruiting the other easily. Its just an issue of who is the puppet and who is the master.

[armlx]

I'll vote whichever of DGB/Korlash/lowell gets up to lynch range fastest.

[armlx]

Unvote, Vote Lowell

3 > 1.

[armlx]

If he's a suicidal he should kill Korlash. Solves both issues.

[armlx]

He is going to get run up on a suicidal vig claim regardless, so he should probably just nuke Korlash now to save us the time to figure out the other 4 lynches.

[armlx]

Obv under the he is town assumption.

[armlx]

No, its not a town plus. The town is now facing a potentially larger scum total then if there were deaths.

EK and Mcavenger probably shouldn't reveal targets until it traps someone BTW.

[armlx]

Hmm, forgot about that. Still think Korlash is scummy and DGB is slightly better than default though.

[armlx]

I think I get what you are saying, but you have to realize CL is still an option for her. I doubt it will come to the point where default lynching comes up, but still.

[armlx]

Lynching someone solely because their presence in any given game is the least helpful to the town. Examples: Rosso, lurkers.

[armlx]

Yeah, but a bit more refined. Policy lynches tend to be pushed a lot harder, where as a default lynch is that: in the absence of a good lynch, that person dies. Its a rare scenario, but it happens.

[armlx]

Votes carry over from day to day? Interesting.

[armlx]

Pooky = productive and actually pretty good at scum hunting.

DGB = unreal levels of random and rarely productive beyond someone you can count on in a wagon.

Hence the reason DGB is a default lynch.

[armlx]

I don't find Mizzy's posts that scummy to be honest.

[armlx]

This does not seem like Lowell town to me, but my sample size is limited.

[armlx]

Umm, I don't really like this claim and how its wait no, wait no, wait no, wrong....

[armlx]

Andy is indeed telling the truth.

Bodyguard != doc with benefits, but obv use it N0. No reason not to.

[armlx]

Yeah, I haven't seen a non-martyr Bodyguard since 2005.

[armlx]

Can we get more dead Lowell? We are currently needing 1 lynch every other day to get them all in on pace. 2 weeks != long day.

[armlx]

90% sure Lowell is lying regardless of that.

[armlx]

You not mucking up what a Bodyguard is, changing abilities, etc.

[armlx]

May as well, you will die anyways.

[armlx]

I'm interested/confused whats going on, but w/e.

[armlx]

The lack of Magical Pooky insight is disconcerting this game. Usually he has at least one major comment so far that despite seeming baseless is correct.

[armlx]

The lack of Magical Pooky insight is disconcerting this game. Usually he has at least one major comment so far that despite seeming baseless is correct.

The Pooky you remember is the Pooky of the old times.
He pretty much plays like this nowadays.

He said some stuff when I played with him in House Mafia that was actually insightful.

[armlx]

Yeah, forgot about Korlash for a minute there. Good call.

Vote Korlash

[armlx]

If Korlash is lynched today, we are right on schedule actually. 4/14 days is less than 2/6 lynches.

[armlx]

Pooky seems pretty default, but with 6 lynches today I can see going to default.

[armlx]

Everything xtoxm said is correct. Except the not noticing thing, because I definitely did.

[armlx]

Everything xtoxm said is correct. Except the not noticing thing, because I definitely did.

Yeh..Not noticeing probably comes from not reading...Now that the weekends here (I got friday off yay!) I can try look through my week's neglected mafia games...!

Reading does indeed = tech.

L-2, lets keep this moving.

[armlx]

Can we get a claim and a quick 2 more votes?

I agree, Lowell's death took waaay too long.

Everything this post says is true.

[armlx]

His uberlurk for a while and what he did similar to Erg0 at the end of yesterday.

Your logic is faulty. The only reason for either Korlash or I to delay yesterday's lynch as scum would be if one of the last two lynchees was our buddy. Otherwise we'd have nothing to lose by clearing the field a little more.

To be fair, delaying the lynch would probably suck 1 lynch out of today. Don't think you are scum though, you actually did stuff yesterday. Korlash probably is though, and the above reason only adds to the other ones.

[armlx]

Um..

I'm quite sure my play's been town in every sense of the word. Trying to bring suspiscion on me before you die is weak at best and an appeal to emotion at worst.

So is 'lynch me'.

2 more votes people.

I second this post beyond belief.

[armlx]

Tired of putting what energy? The energy to just lurk all of D1 until the last lynch then step in once it was pretty decided?

[armlx]

You claimed unrecruitable townie. What more can you have to claim.

[armlx]

Cavebear, I don't think we've ever lynched someone for that reason. All the lynches I've seen have had to do with wagon -> claim -> claim isn't sufficient.

Korlash: Now isn't the time to mess around. Full claim or die please.

[armlx]

But seriously, as a power role the only reason to claim is that people will believe me and not lynch me. but I highly doubt either of you two would believe me. in fact i think both of you would use it to further my lynch through some unknown twisting of stuff or what not. Not only that but I have reason to believe I'm not the only one with said power and if not careful i could out that person. so if I get lynched I hopefully saved that person plus I get to prove a point. but if I claim I may survive and then what. You just start my lynch up again whenever you feel like it using the same excuse "Oh he lurked day one and claimed something I don't believe!"

Yeah, how about you do claim, see if we believe you, and if not oh well, rather then just saying POWER ROLE DONT LYNCH and hoping we believe you. If you really were pro-town, you would claim now as reducing the chance of a mislynch is the right play ALWAYS in this scenario. Not claiming well pressured at L-2 with a growing wagon, especially with a time limit, is only done by people playing horridly or scum.

[armlx]

Yeah, how about you do claim, see if we believe you, and if not oh well, rather then just saying POWER ROLE DONT LYNCH and hoping we believe you. If you really were pro-town, you would claim now as reducing the chance of a mislynch is the right play ALWAYS in this scenario. Not claiming well pressured at L-2 with a growing wagon, especially with a time limit, is only done by people playing horridly or scum.

QFT

And delaying the lynch is just as anti-town.

They both mean the same thing: stalling for time in hopes that the town just gives up on you or you come up with something to try and save your ass or you just getenough posts out of people to gain some info before you die.

The solution is shut up and keep voting him till he claims. If he doesn't, he dies.

[armlx]

Korlash, you don't get it. 6 people have asked you to claim with their vote.

Your logic also fails. Not lynching != more power roles. We try not to lynch power roles that are pretty confirmable. Say, xtoxm. But every power role claimed so far has accelerated their death pre-claim or claimed in a really scummy way on an unconfirmable role.

[armlx]

No, Korlash, lets go down the lost:

Vig: Was near lynch, didn't claim, just went off.

Cop: Killed by vig.

Inventor: FAILED TO CLAIM AND GOT SELF MOD KILLED FOR NO REASON.

Bodyguard: Mucked up claim into unbelievable, unconfirmable mess.

Nice try to cite any of those as reasons not to claim.

Cavebear: I missed that one. I thought most of those who used that excuse have died already, but you are right it is pretty dumb.

[armlx]

Also, on the topic of power roles we didn't lynch: xtoxm and Ande.

Korlash, you = fail right now. Full claim or die. Possibly both at the rate you keep stalling.

[armlx]

Actually, I actually agree with Cavebear you being unrecruitable doesn't matchup, but its not worth pursuing you until many other avenues have been taken.

[armlx]

No, those deaths only illustrate those people were frustrated and made a bad play.

[armlx]

Straight up claiming townie would have still been better for you. Just saying.

[armlx]

Probably... But this was more fun... Besides I feel we really bonded during all this...

face + palm.

[armlx]

No, thats not my point. IF hadn't lied/stalled you had a small chance of not being lynched. Because you did, you assured your death.

[armlx]

Again, like I said, 6 people had already "asked" with their vote.

[armlx]

I'm not huge on the Pooky wagon to say the least.

[armlx]

Lol yeah well most games have ONE lynch per day and ONE scum team...

Its more the prior than the later. This game is an extreme example of how rushing is bad for the town, but its really sad because its still optimal play. If it was 4 mafias not cults I could get slowing down but no cross kills screws everything.

[armlx]

Yeah im a bit sad the scum are morons and didnt kill last night... Oh well still a plus for us but still kinda not all that good either... man... sucks...

Not sure I agree, but further discussion about this wouldn't be optimal while the game is ongoing.

[armlx]

You have to admit you didn't help your scenario much once things started but yeah, we have sucked hard at scum hunting this game.

[armlx]

In all fairness the majority of lynched townies were pretty scummy.

[armlx]

Sorry, I would have stopped the convo but I assumed people were still alive till their role + lynch scene was posted.

[armlx]

I'm honestly unsure where to go from here.

[armlx]

Hmm, thoughts.

- I can see a farside Earth/Wind recruiter. Rather wait here as she's confirmed not ice/fire though.

-Default lynching DGB might be the play sadly to say.

-DR idk about, I'll have to reread when its not 3am.

-I think the joke pooky is trying to make is he's a townie. That seems about right for him, rather not lynch him just yet.

-Mneme I'm indifferent on, he's just been a -1 to lynch so far.

-Cavebear however, is the odd man out after eliminating those above and those i believe are town. Well, him and Kison, but I'll start here.

Vote Cavebear

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xtoxm: Tracker w/ 2 correct results != cult leader

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DR
mneme
DGB
Kison
Cavebear

These 5 would make a good 5 lynches for the rest of today.

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Mac, the logic Andy's claimed result of no action on my part last night. aka != recruiter.

With 4 lynches, those 4 seem fine. If DGB is a leader, she's down a recruit b/c of the block meaning her cult is less likely to outnumber to town/others. Same applies to DR too, so he would also be a valid exemption. Just a matter of which of those two is more scummy overall.

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Process of elimination leaves those people. Should anything drastically change we can alter things, but looking at it now....

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Lets see.

xtomx = cop. He has investigated farside and Ergo as not Fire/Ice, aka less likely to be leaders.

Muerrto has soft claimed and acted quite pro-town.

There's your 5.

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No, my plan is to go about wagonning those 5 in an orderly fashion. Also, its not really a mass claim when not everyone has to claim.

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DR
mneme
DGB
Kison
Cavebear

These 5 would make a good 5 lynches for the rest of today.

Why you say that? Lack of claims?

Unvote

Lack of claims and investigations on them. Process of elimination = tech.

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Hmm, the tags screwed up on my last post.

Vote Cavebear

To fix that.

you were already voting for cavebear

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I love it when I show up, see a post I want to comment on, and see others have already done my job.

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Xtoxm: No need to. A then B is the same as B then A.

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I thought your point was you thought either Cavebear or Mneme was scummier than the other, to which my response is w/e both die.

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Oh, I didn't see that post xtoxm.

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Could be Prozac, could be drunk posting at 2:30 am.

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Concur. Claim and/or die plz.

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Lol. Nice try. Lynch him please.

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Agree, losing your ability and possibly being able to be confirmed > just getting lynched straight up. See the Korlash debacle.

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Woah, wait, you just believe him when he more or less cops out of claiming?

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Wow, and % chances too? If your claim even real?

More dead Cavebear plz.

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Lynching Cavebear with a Kison/mneme hammer is the correct play.

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xtoxm: He can ask the mod if a certain statement is a lie each day is what I've seen.

Cavebear: Random roles that lose their power for claiming are beyond the realm of possibility in even theme games.. They were even in the days when I joined and a lot more things were valid roles for games.

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Seems ok, also sounds far too wide open to breaking.

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Random roles that lose their power for claiming are beyond the realm of possibility in even theme games.

You've really got it in for me, haven't you? I can assure you, my role is very much within the realm of possibility. The pm is very much within my mailbox, for that matter. Pity I can't show it to you.

No, no remotely competent mod, let alone BM, would put that role in any game. Random chance roles are terribad, the role ability (delayed supersaint) is completely dumb, and the fact that you lose the ability when you claim is absolutely unacceptable from a mod stand point. Sounds like you are trying to claim vanilla without doing so.

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Cavebear: If you aren't lying, I'll discuss it with BM post game.

Xtoxm: I'd believe a SS to the point I'd lynch them and set up the hammer. Thats not my point. I don't trust the 50% chance of the lyncher dying each day, losing the ability on claim nonsense.

Muerrto: I can live with a mneme now, cavebear later compromise so long as you admit this claim is BS and he should die.

Unvote, vote mneme

Mc: Saying you can't claim is a very good scum tactic. Stalling for time to think of a fake claim. His claim is also uber convenient as its a confirmable role we can't confirm, plus it appeals to emotion by getting us to feel guilty about making him "lose "it.

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I don't really know about this whole 9 minutes thing. It seems exactly like the kind of desperate claim someone might try after trapping themself into claiming something that loses its power.

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They want to hit other recruiters. And every recruiter we hit makes the other ones more powerful.

How so?

Also, roles with random success probabilities are generally shunned. Haven't seen one since 2005.

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Except the culties still around after their leader dies sorta muck everything up and for all intents and purposes until the other leaders are down are unrecruitable town members.

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Claim and/or die please mneme.

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K, townie claim, we know how this goes. Lynch. Then cavebear.

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I'm inclined to believe that neither claim is good enough to remove them from the list.

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No, how about we hit the person with the most votes right now so we have more time to do everytihng else today instead of wasting it on pushing votes in 2 more directions.

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And if Nmeme's vanilla?

We are pretty sure the other 4 are all CLs? What more do you want me to say? Mneme's claim shouldn't in the slightest change opinions we have of him. Vanilla claims rarely should.

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Cavebear is just passing the bounds of reality here. Why we didn't lynch him when he was at l-2 I don't understand.

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More suspicious of power roles at this point?

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Doubt it. Just saying.

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Lurker lynching is poor on those last 3, and the first 2 were already dying so...

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The 3 were Elvis, Erg0 and Farside (bad lynches).

The 2 were DGB and kison. Should be 3, didn't see the Pooky line (good lynches)

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L-1, someone get on and finish this.

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Oh, yeah, just realized Cave's vote started there as of last count.

Also, how is Cave's cult weak? What action did I miss?

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Ah, I missed that one. Valid point, still he's so obv scum he has to die.

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Wait, how does it put him in the same camp? Adel was unrecruitable and not a risk for dying, figured she could milk another investigation at the least out of it. I see no reason her vote shows him as not Recruiter. In fact it makes me more suspicious of him. Her vote left a trace. We should listen to it.

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Mac, if the recruit failed the CL could determine they were possibly blocked.

As for Adel directing lynches, I'm not so sure she would insert the name directly. Would possibly give herself up by doing that.