Elemental Mafia- Game Over!

[Kison]

*sits back and lets mods kill themselves*

[Kison]

<3 Elvis

Vote : Mneme

</3 copycats

[Kison]

At least my judgement that Adel was probably town was on target.

"I told you so!"

Unvote

Vote : Macavenger

Taffmaster, wtfrak. You're as bas as Alfred Rampage.

[Kison]

Vote: Macavenger. No one is as bad as Albert B. Rampage

I love how you blamed him for something _I_ said.

I don't think mass claiming would be good. With 4 cults + SK, the roles will be swiped up rather quickly. Yes, fewer may be recruited as cross-recruits will do whatever they do, but we lose the assets we need. Also, whatever roles exist had like one night to get results? And mass claiming would help us how?

[Kison]

So wait, you're saying cults are not anti-town?

[Kison]

Errm.

<3 Mizzy, but..

Unvote

Vote : Mizzy

[Kison]

Mizzy, in case you genuinely are confused(but this is more to explain to people who might be buying into what you're saying), cults are bad for town because they have an alternative win condition

and cannot win if the town wins.

They also dwindle town players not through death, but by recruiting. Once a town player is recruited, they are no longer part of the town. It's like scum recruiting scum members. Only in this game, the "scum" don't kill.

[Kison]

Well you claim to have read the role PM's on the first page.

What did you think the purpose of the cults were, then? Why did you think we had cops that searched for cult members?

[Kison]

What do you think ?

I don't. Lynching good players is not a way to win, especially as lynching recruits is not the route to victory until later on.

Good stuff. We need to be lynching the recruiters, not recruitees. Granted, recruiters could just as easily be "good players." They could, however, just as easily be "bad players."

Jediknight, normally I'd agree with you, but I can see a very strong justification for the bandwagoning going on, especially based on the mechanics of this game. At this point, each "group" of scum has at most a two-person sway. Meaning, if a wagon is forming on one of their members, there is very little they can do to sway it. This potentially changes each time we go to night.

In any event, I do agree we should have some sort of basis for each wagon we form.

Unvote

Vote : Lord_hur

I'll look into Armlx. Game's moving a bit fast.

[Kison]

Let's not.

Hello DoS. Why is Cavebear scummy to you?

[Kison]

Gut feeling is a myth.

What

about her posts rub you the wrong way?

[Kison]

Do you always Chainsaw people, Wayne?

[Kison]

Kill + Block could help, sure. Problem is that he has no incentive to actually aim accurately(especially with his frameblocking). Wayne isn't even recruitable.

[Kison]

Vote : Wayne

[Kison]

Jediknight, I love ya. I hope to play with you again in the future.

That being said, die suck die!

[Kison]

DGB, your insanity makes the world go round.

[Kison]

Andy also simply jumped in there at the end. As did Kison.

Sorry, brosef, but when someone claims to be a crazy Serial Killer named Wayne, my vote will go there.

[Kison]

Vote : Muerrto

You guys are completely random and so far completely wrong.

I just read your posts in isolation and it looks like there was a little bit of Muerrto mixed in with the "you guys." Not to mention, after many folks were lynched you'd be one of the first to shout, "Next??" So why are you trying to shift the blame off of yourself?

[Kison]

Well Muerrto, to be fair I ALSO disappeared simply because the insane rate of posting in this game has made it impossible for me to keep up. So I recommend you folks tone it down a bit, because I _still_ have not caught up.

[Kison]

Christ. 2 weeks? Jesus BM, seriously.

[Kison]

Muerrto, that little guy was something I snagged from someone on another forum many years back. I added the explosion when some folks complained that it was boring in its previous form.

I'm kinda insulted no one wants me on their team. Also, that anyone would suggest toning down the killing.

No. I mainly meant toning down the insane rate of posting, but I guess that can't be preventing with a two week deadline. Not only losing up to 4 per night but up to 6 per day. Yeah. Holy war indeed.

That being said...

You folks are thinking way too much about the setup. Let's just kill people already.

Vote : Lowell

Yes. Let's just kill people and not worry about who.

Any reason why armlx isn't being lynched?

Any reason why armlx isn't being lynched?

Any reason you think I should be?

Nah, you're guilty unless found innocent, that's all.

While I haven't looked TOO deeply into armlx yet(working on that next), I do not see what ignited this armlx Jihad other than... well... you... Please do enlighten me, oh goofball of eternal madness.

[Kison]

So. Where did that enthusiasm come from and where did it go?

[Kison]

Well, to be fair, there was an SK, and 4 cults which

can

kill if they so desire.

[Kison]

Lowell, how about explaining exactly what your role does? The Mafia wiki doesn't insinuate that the Bodyguard is any kind of roleblocker, so...

[Kison]

I back Macavenger's request, because I think I know where this is going. But primarily for Lowell and less for Elvis Knits, though I will not protest her doing so as well. Elvis - they're asking you to claim whether or not you're cult recruitable. Off the top of my head I can't recall if you've done so.

Why Lowell - The way he claimed stunk. Back peddling then forgetting his N0 target? Looks the tap dancing of scum to me.

In a game of Suicidal Dayvigs, Density Cops and Prison Wardens a simple "roleblocker" sounds out of place, doesn't it?

Well, it's a "Density Cop" because of the elements they target. "Serial Killer" and "Inventory" maintain their traditional role names. I don't find Roleblocker too hard to believe.

[Kison]

Mnemennenmenem, who recruited you N0?

[Kison]

Kison, this isn't a good question. We have no proof he was recruited N0, it could have happened N1.

That actually made me laugh.

Here's a question, though. We know Adel was a cop. Let's theoretically say for a moment that Adel investigated Mneme. Two possibilities : guilty, innocent. If Adel got an innocent, do you think she would have placed her vote on Mneme like she did?

I'm not trying to sidetrack this current discussion. This is merely a temporary tangent.

[Kison]

"Once upon a time," Kison began reading, "there was a

magical

bear named Pooky. He would embark on a long, enduring journey to uproot the cult scum and his highschool friend, Wayne, who had been causing a lot of trouble in his home village. His adventure began wayyyyy back in April, 2008..."

unvote

vote DoS

He used "IMO"

thus obv scum

GG no RE

unvote

vote Armlx

If I saw you in heaven...

unvote

vote Xtoxm

Momentum play

I am back

who r we lynching
k thx

"The End."

Vote : PookyTheMagicalBearOfLazyBandwagoning

Ok, Einstein, either give us some real juice. Who "r" the scum? "Y"?

[Kison]

Unvote

Vote : Cavebear

I realize there is a Mneme wagon. However, I do not think he is a good lynch prospect right now, at all. Please get the frak off his wagon. Thanks!

Muerrto, I have voted since Jedi. I believe my vote was on Pooky before I swapped right here. Not sure who it was on before that. However, like I said before, this game is moving insanely quickly. Less novel posts, please.

Like I said, Cavebear > Mneme. Please get off him.

[Kison]

The way I'm defending him? And what's that supposed to mean? You do realize the guy is at L-2 with the torches growing ever brighter. If I'm falsely defending him then I'm really setting myself up for a fall, which would be the case if I am culted with him. However, don't misconstrue what I said to have any assumed level of certainty. I'm not sure of anything. I do not know that Mneme is not a cult member, but I do know he's not a good prospect at the moment. Do with that what you will.

[Kison]

BUT if they're Mason's Kison could've grabbed Mneme and that'd make him vanilla but not. And on second thought, Masons in a cult game would make sense, so the town can team up too against the 4 cults.

However, don't misconstrue what I said to have any assumed level of certainty. I'm not sure of anything. I do not know that Mneme is not a cult member, but I do know he's not a good prospect at the moment.

[Kison]

I'm not arguing that Mneme is innocent. I'm arguing that the likelihood that he is scum is significantly less likely than others. Why are you so certain he is scum? Why would you prefer a Mneme lynch over a Kison lynch? Please answer me that.

[Kison]

Coincidence. If you do a quick trace of my posts you'll realize my posting has been lower than usual the past day or so. Answer the question, por favor. Why Mneme over Kison?

[Kison]

Mneme over Kison because the mneme wagon is already in place. Kison is scheduled to die later today, does it really matter which order we do kills in the same day on? :p

Holy scumbag batman, yes it does matter. What makes it matter? The case you have against Mneme over Kison. You base order on scuminess. I'm asking what makes Mneme scummy to you. Bad, Macavenger, bad!

I'd prefer you both because you lurked then showed up when called out.

Would you have preferred I wait until 3 days from now to show up? Like I said, my posting has been scarce the past two days. Ignore that if you wish.

You're defending someone but not claiming so you can't be held responsible if you're wrong, and you won't explain why he's less likely to be scum.

How the frak would me not claiming make me not responsible? Answer that.

Here comes the claim, though.

I'm a Watcher. I watch people. Ladies, make sure you close your curtains when changing, because Kison

might

be watching

you

.

I do not have a special name. I am standard Watcher. My response to Dead Rikimaru a few days ago...

In a game of Suicidal Dayvigs, Density Cops and Prison Wardens a simple "roleblocker" sounds out of place, doesn't it?

Well, it's a "Density Cop" because of the elements they target. "Serial Killer" and "Inventory" maintain their traditional role names. I don't find Roleblocker too hard to believe.

...was influenced, in part, by the fact that I have a standardized role name.

~~N0~~
Target : Mneme
Visitors : Adel

~~N1~~
Target : Mneme
Visitors : None

The past two nights I've seen one person visit Mneme. That person was Adel. This is why I asked the question about Adel and the significance of her Day One vote on Mneme. I was struggling with whether or not I should go for Mneme Day One based on that vote, but I came to the same conclusion as whoever responded to me : that her lack of following up suggested she did not receive a guilty result. This would indicate Mneme is not two of four recruiters. Since I also have not seen anyone else visit him over the past two days, this suggests he has not been recruited.

So why am I uncertain? Because he could still be one of the other two recruiters. The only thing I know for a fact is that Mneme is not a recruit. Since Macavenger brilliantly indicated he has little good reason to be voting Mneme, my lack of willingness to vote Mneme over Cavebear is further justified in my own mind. You folks have to choose whether or not to believe me. You then have to decide if your case on Mneme(which I still would gladly like to hear a recap of, as like I said he could very well be scum) is damning enough to lynch him.

Am I recruitable? I'm not telling you. If I answer yes, scum know that killing me is the preferable option. If I answer no, they know to try to recruit me. The right move is to keep them guessing.

[Kison]

we know she voted him early day one with no reasoning attached.

It's what we call the

random voting stage

.

Unvote; Vote: mneme

I can possibly buy into this guilty theory. We might also be able to semi-test Kison's claim, depending on what mneme comes up.

This won't test anything. I can 100% guarantee you that any role claim in the future will lack Mneme as their target for Night One or Night Two unless that person is scum or ABR. This is a semi large risk for me to take. I also guarantee that Mneme is either a cult recruiter or whatever he claimed to be(Vanilla?). So if he comes up recruiter, my claim will not be disqualified, but it may throw a spin on whether or not you believe it.

Unvote

Vote : DGB

DGB, where have you disappeared to?

Question : Has anyone seen Adel as a Cop or some other variant before? If so, I would appreciate it if you'd tell me what game. I sorted through a bunch of her games and haven't found anything yet.

[Kison]

Unvote

Vote : Mneme

May God have mercy on your soul.

[Kison]

Well, looks like I was way off on the Adel thing. Sorry about that. But Mneme is gone, so...

Muerrto - I may be a confirmed Watcher, but I am not confirmed Town by any means. Remember that I have not made clear whether or not I am recruitable. A confirmed role could easily wind up being the Town's worst nightmare in the future. This is something you should not forget.

Mizzy - It was only minor, as with many things in this game. It had to do with her confusion over the cult PM's when they are clearly written on the first page. I don't think it's very lynch worthy. I probably overreacted by voting her.

Pooky - I did not like him because of his complete lack of contribution this game(until more recently). Much preferable to Mizzy.

[Kison]

Christ, DGB. First of all, why the hell would you do that as Town? Second of all, who's your 2nd investigation?

[Kison]

Christ, DGB. First of all, why the hell would you do that as Town? Second of all, who's your 2nd investigation?

READ THE GAME

I was roleblocked by Macavenger on the first night.

Who was your TARGET? Roleblocking does not prevent you from submitting a name. If you've already answered that then I apologize but I do not recall you ever having done so.

In any event, I agree, she's the less likely of the two.

Unvote

Vote : Xtoxm

I'll sift through his posts in the mean time.

[Kison]

Vote : Cavebear With a Cavity

Pooky can die as well. DR, probably also.

[Kison]

I have a result from my watching. I am a bit puzzled by it, though. DGB should definitely go first.

[Kison]

I kindfully request the results of our blockers.

I was not roleblocked. I have a result. My results may or may not have contained Macavenger or Elvis Knits. However, if they did, I also have (an)other result(s). Basically what I am saying is that I am not asking who they targeted in order to use their answer as my watcher results. I promise I have a result other than OR in addition to them.

There is a reason for my asking this. If this is very strongly opposed then I'll have to go first, but like I said, there's a reason.

[Kison]

I RBed Farside.

Thank you. This is what I wanted to hear.

I watched DrippingGoofball last night. The only person I saw come/go was Farside. My goal, obviously, was to see who would try to kill DGB, since she's an cop who hasn't been counter claimed, and unrecruitable(page 1 role PM). Her remaining alive is what threw me off, and that's why I wanted to see who the two blockers had targeted. So my guess is that Farside is a lingering Ice recruit who tried to finish DGB off.

Meaning, FS might not be a good lynch for today. We should try to get those last two recruiters. Elvis can block Farside again to (hopefully) keep DGB alive.

Since it seems fairly clear that Elvis is a roleblocker, I don't see her as a good recruiter candidate. She could still, however, be scum recruited into a cult.

~~Non Recruiters~~
1. DrippingGoofBall
2. Kison
3. Elvis Knits
4. Farside22
5. Macavenger

~~Possible Recruiters~~
1. Erg0
2. Armlx
3. PookythemagicalBear
4. Muerrto

Which ones, which ones?

[Kison]

Wait, you're right. She could be a recruiter trying to make a kill. /brain fart

[Kison]

Well regardless I think she should claim.

[Kison]

Erg0, Armlx, PookythemagicalBear, Farside22

Yeah, guess I'm inclined to agree with this move.

Vote : Farside22

Keep this in mind :

I investigated armlx and found him of normal temperature.

Armlx : Farside targeted DGB and no kill occurred. Elvis claims to have blocked. Not 100% confirmed, but it makes her far less likely. I don't think her past blocks have confirmed her. I could be wrong.

[Kison]

The Cult Recruiters can kill as well, though. Read the PM's on Page One.

[Kison]

*sounds the alarms*

I can only block cult recruiters from recruiting.

(I can also block town power roles if I choose incorrectly, or could have blocked wayne were he still alive). But the only really good thing I can do for the town is block a cult recruiter. There's only four of them in the entire game.

[Kison]

Elvis can only block recruitment.
Farside targeted an unrecruitable player.

If Elvis can only block recruitments, then her blocking a player targeting an unrecruitable player doesn't say much of anything. Unless she can block kills from recruits.

[Kison]

Right, because I would try to disprove Elvis's block right now even though according to you I am lying with her to forge a mislynch. Good thinking.

Unvote

while I confirm this.

[Kison]

You're telling me that you think a Wind recruiter tried killing/recruiting a TEMPERATE cop?

[Kison]

What you guys are suggesting is laughable. It would have been much smarter for me, as a recruit without my ability, to have claimed I had no result. Claiming I saw Farside hit DGB is a huge risk if she countered my results and wound up flipping Town of some sort. And you can't claim I didn't try to give her the opportunity - I wanted her to claim and decided waiting wasn't a good idea.

Elvis : Please confirm the limitations of your roleblocking.

Vote : Pooky

[Kison]

EBWOP

I wanted her to claim and armlx decided waiting wasn't a good idea.

[Kison]

1) How are you confirmed

Town

? You are

only

confirmed non ice/fire last I checked.

2) How is Erg0 confirmed Town?

3) There is a slim possibility of Macavenger being recruited N0 and lying about his recruitability, unless I have missed something.

[Kison]

And this proves you're not Wind/Earth together because...?

If those two cults are eliminated, then yes, you'd both be confirmed Town.

[Kison]

I agree, Muerrto, and this makes their claim powerful because if we nail the Wind recruiter, we have them both confirmed. But this only reinforces the move to kill the recruiter even further, because not only would that fully confirm them, it would prevent them from being recruited(as they implied that they are).

But neither is confirmed. Thinking such is misleading. I don't think they're a good prospect of course.

[Kison]

elvis blocks armlx

This should be randomized between Erg0 and Armlx.

[Kison]

Reading is for losers.

[Kison]

Unvote

while I read the claim.

[Kison]

Muerrto, how quickly can you fetch me breadcrumbs of yours from Day One?

I am leaning towards disbelieving this because the obvious implication is that myself, DGB, and Pooky are the only three Town players left in the game.

I'm like 25% here, though, so I haven't exactly soaked it all in.

[Kison]

My

fly

ing head hurts. Seriously.

Muerrto - that was a pretty good one, but where are the many others you claim to have made?

[Kison]

First : Pretty sure Pooky is lying. However, what Macavenger is saying is absolutely correct. Nothing guarantees that Pooky and Farside are our two recruiters. The only thing we really know is that Muerrto, Mac, DGB, myself, and Elvis are not recruiters. That gives us the same list of four from earlier :

1) Erg0
2) armlx
3) Pooky
4) Farside

First : Farside almost has to be Temp scum. Ice or Fire. Two reasons. First because she voted DGB over Xtoxm after the counter claim. Secondly because she tried to do something to DGB last night.

Second : Can't be armlx because of the tracking result from Andy(good catch Mac).

This means the Wind recruiter is one of the other two :

1) Erg0
2) Pooky

Pooky almost has to be scum. The problem is we have no idea

which

group he's in. He could be fire, ice, wind, cocaine...

We have two lynches today. The first lynch should ABSOLUTELY be one of the three above, because if the Wind recruiter is Erg0, we know Armlx is one of his recruits. The other issue is gaging whether or not Elvis, Muerrto, (or me from your perspective) are recruits. If two of them are, then we're severely screwed and cannot afford to waste any lynches on anyone else.

This is why I want Muerrto's crumbs. If I get a good feeling that he's not scum of some kind, then that leaves Elvis, Erg0, & Armlx. If we lynch Pooky and he is not Wind, we can dwindle that group down to 1 or 2 with our second lynch.

[Kison]

Hold up. Just thought of something. Muerrto can't be scum with Erg0 & Armlx because he was crumbing by Day One. For Erg0/Armlx to be scum they had to be in the same cult by Day One, meaning Muerrto's role was crumbed by Town Muerrto.

My vote's likely going back on Pooky in a few moments. I'd still like to see the other crumbing, however.

[Kison]

The revelation during dinner that, if the masons are scum, we know who the recruiter is, makes me much less adamant about testing them, although I still think it's probably a good idea.

Here's the thing. I'm not quite clear on this. Can't a recruit make a kill even if the recruiter is still alive? Wouldn't this still cause problems for us even though we'd know who the recruiter is? Reason I ask : the way BM clarified the recruiter kills seemed to indicate they could kill even when the recruiter was still alive. But it's entirely possible I missed something that was more explicate in refuting that.

Also, Kison, I don't count elvis as confirmed not-recruiter. If you're telling the truth about your results, then she's confirmed to you, but I currently don't trust your results because of what the mod told me and such, so she's not confirmed non-recruiter to me.

Understandable. I'm going to base my vote off my own perspective, however.

-Andy tracked Muerrto during Night Zero.
-Andy tracked armlx during Night One.

Just read over Muerrto's crumbs. Was worried when I saw a lot of them didn't occur during Day One, but a good bit of them did. I believe his claim. If he's somehow lying, he'd have to be scum with someone other than armlx/Erg0, and recruited during Night Zero.

Vote : Pooky

[Kison]

This is where Elvis clarifies why she said she couldn't block recruits :

In my other cult game, leaders send their choice at night, so my block would work on them. But cults recruits join at beginning of the next day, so I don't think it would affect them.

Is this wrong?

N0 : Roland/DR
N1 : Cavebear
N2 : Farside

[Kison]

Well, with Pooky coming up Wind, I think that kind of seals the deal on Erg0 & Armlx. I'm going to double check their behavior with one another _just_ to be sure it happened during Day One(I honestly don't remember). For now I'm giving them the BOTD.

~~Town~~
1) Erg0
2) Armlx
3) DGB

~~Very unlikely~~
1) Muerrto
2) Macavenger

~~Good Candidates~~
1) Farside
2) Elvis
3) Kison

I'm telling you that I saw Farside hit DGB last night. Lynch her. If she does not come up recruiter, have Mac flip a coin between blocking Elvis and me tonight. (but she will)

There's not really anyone for Elvis to block.

[Kison]

Vote : Farside

[Kison]

I have been informed that if a player is roleblocked, that they do not go anywhere.

Just sayin'

[Kison]

Yes, sir, it does. And I know it ain't me.

[Kison]

Mac definitely isn't lying. But that doesn't mean he hasn't been recruited while able to retain his ability. Nothing states that it's not possible. But he would be my last candidate other than myself.

[Kison]

If Farside is Fire with me, why would I claim a condemning result on her? How is that any harder bussing than what I did with Mneme?

[Kison]

You know you love it.

[Kison]

Wait, what am I lying about again?

[Kison]

Target : DGB
Result : No Result

The flavor I received is

not

the same as when no-one visited Mneme. What I was told made it clear that my ability was interrupted.

[Kison]

Yes, I am recruitable. My roles does not say that I will retain my abilities if I am recruited. It also does not say that I will lose them. The topic isn't discussed beyond stating my recruitability.

Mac not only had to have blocked me, but he also is not lying about roleblocking preventing someone from leaving their home, or not showing up on tracker/watcher results(again, I received clarification on this and it matches the flavor I received last night). This means either Elvis is lying, I am lying, or BM messed up. And I know what I saw.

Armlx : If you read the recruiter PMs on page #1 : "Once a player is recruited into your cult, they may or may not retain their original ability, if they had one."

That would be inconsistent if BM just randomly decided to negate the uncertainty, there. This leaves an outside shot of Mac being scum. However, it would also leave me wide in the open given I can prove that I can watch. Basically, all three of us are on the block. I have an inkling that Elvis can't roleblock, though. Contradictory results yesterday, and she forgets to block last night.

Anxious to hear whether or not DGB caught scum last night.

[Kison]

armlx, could you please make up your mind? You flip flop back and forth on this. Yesterday, your stance was :

Hmm, forgot about that. Hmmm.

Any way I look at it, Kison isn't the right lynch today. EK is probably lying then, Farside probably forgot she couldn't recruit DGB.

I think that's a very valid possibility considering that Farside has been flaky this entire game.

[Kison]

Well, I do care. I very much dislike being lynched, especially when everything I've stated so far has matched up with my claimed role. Give me the BOTD! If I'm scum, there's no hope for success at this point. I'm not one to drag out the inevitable.

<3 Elvis, but you're a scummy mcscumbag.

[Kison]

Ask yourself this, Mac : why would I make up that result on Farside? I would have had to have known she was scum. Why would I guess that?

I know I'll still win, but I _hate_ being lynched.

[Kison]

I wasn't doubt prior to that point. I could just as easily have guessed someone and said no-one showed up. Instead, I guess on someone and claim an accurate result on someone who winds up being scum. That's fairly lucky.

Weight that against Elvis and her "forgetting" to submit an action last night. Weigh that against the accuracy of my Mneme result. Me not having this role would require an immense amount of luck on my part.

[Kison]

Farside was hardly obvscum. She was a good candidate, but not obvious by any means.

But whatever, you guys don't care. That's fine. I probably wouldn't, either. Lynch Elvis tomorrow, as you very well know. Then Mac. Then Muerrto. That order, till game over.

10-4, over and out.

[Kison]

Armlx needs a new title resembling his flip floppiness

Vote : Elvis

I have a rope with your name on it.

[Kison]

Muerrto is my new hero.