Elemental Mafia- Game Over!

[Lowell]

vote kison

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I see it's going to be one of those games...

[Lowell]

Wow, what a great night for us townies with the Jester dying. Hopefully we dont have anyone causing chaos today.

Are you looking at the same game I am? The one with 100 mods all yelling at each other for the first 2 pages?? That one??

No, I'm sure we're fine from here on out.

[Lowell]

I'll read through this more clearly in a bit, but for now:

Does anyone remember that cult leaders can kill?

[Lowell]

Sorry, one other thing, as I catch up. I don't think that "roleblocker" is a particularly powerful role in this setup. Not sure why that claim got everyone off elvis' back.

[Lowell]

Me too. I'll hammer in a bit unless anyone has anything to add.

[Lowell]

Although I vote TSPN, i don't think he's right to vote recruitables first, because only recuitable townies but will outed this way, and there will be a point where there is more cult than town...

Not if we lynch all the people the cult might lynch. . .

Lowell, go ahead and hammer. You'll know I'm not lying or bullshitting somehow, it is the town's interest to lynch as many people as possible, and in particular as many recruitables as possible. So once I'm dead, get on with it.

I hate give-up posts. I don't want to set the precedent of them working.

Plus, if he somehow makes it out alive tonight, I find it likely he'd be scum by tomorrow (if he isn't now) and we'd have trouble getting the momentum to lynch him tomorrow.

unvote, vote TSPN

HAMMER!

(right?)

[Lowell]

Hey, Wayne.

[Lowell]

Is it just me or are there more and more quitters on mafiascum these days?

"Fine, kill me. See if I care. I'll show you. I didnt' want to win anyway. Takes one to know one. I'm taking my ball and going home!"

LH goes on my list of players not to play with again.

[Lowell]

I like both the DoS and armlx miniwagons.

vote DoS

[Lowell]

I'm perfectly happy with where my vote still lies on armlx. Although elvis_knits bugs me for the same reason.

They seem to jump on whoever posted the most recently (see post 401 after andycyca posts after the weekend) and don't really add anything new preferring to bandwagon and rehash old ideas that aren't their own.

Some people have lives and can't post 20 times a day.

So, you don't have a comment on the DoS wagon taking off around you?

Also, Kabenon's reason is hilarious. And true.

[Lowell]

Sounds okay. If I had to meta this, I'd say it's the sort of second-tier experienced players that will be targetted for recruit. Someone like armlx.

vote armlx

[Lowell]

unvote, vote jedi

. Muerto seems very pro-town to me of late. I'll jump on his jedi bandwagon.

[Lowell]

Sounds okay. If I had to meta this, I'd say it's the sort of second-tier experienced players that will be targetted for recruit. Someone like armlx.

vote armlx

Hi, I'm WIFOM, nice to meet you. There are infinite factors around recruits you can't just assume.

And again, cult games aren't won by lynching recruits D1

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Good point, actually. Well taken.

[Lowell]

... a SK is not a vig.

The thing to keep in mind is that with multiple lynches, the SK serves -no- useful protown purpose; He's just another scum of the many we need to eliminate to win. Sure, eventually we can only win by playing off scum against other scum -- but that's as true for the cults as it is for the SK.

Hammer time.

unvote
vote: Wayne (jediknight)

This is a good point. I agree.

[Lowell]

I'll

vote Xtomx

. The armlx case is adequate, also. But I'd like to get a vote down while I think about it.

The highest priority, at this point, is making sure we get 2 kills in before deadline. Who they are is secondary.

[Lowell]

That was scummy of me? Really?

The more people we kill now the better our odds of hitting a cult leader before they can do anything. Having fewer cult leaders early is a huge advantage.

[Lowell]

Lowell, I'm sorry, but it actually matters who we lynch.

Vote: Lowell

I'm going to

unvote, vote andy

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I mean, no, I get it, who we lynches matters. Thanks, that's brilliant. This is opportunistic and useless.

[Lowell]

I do too, actually. I'm willing to let Andy off the hook for being dumb.

unvote, vote farside

[Lowell]

But the fact that you've brought this plan to the forefront now deadens some of its effectiveness. It would have been better to just suggest that we all go for one wagon, rather than going so indepth into how it works and why it would work. I don't care to explain myself further as to why, anyone who is smart can figure it out. But it is a good plan.

Unvote, Vote: Lowell

What plan are you talking about?

[Lowell]

As for your last post, I think the deal is people are probably willing to vote for multiple people at this point and are chilling on the one they find most scummy. Doesn't mean they won't switch once a specific wagon hits critical mass. Your proposistion just seems like an awkward way of stating what we already assume will occur.

This is absolutely what I'm doing. There are very few people I won't vote for.

One of them is Muerrto. Just FTR. I like people who drive D1 discussions.

[Lowell]

Whatever. I'm not thrilled with this wagon, but it'll do.

unvote, vote andy

[Lowell]

Really? No one has done this?

unvote, vote ooba

Pow.

Also, Andy, Muerrto, XreyoX are all innocent. I'll take farside off as, uh.. half innocent. I'll kill literally anyone else. Let's hurry.

[Lowell]

What's hilarious about the number of town lynched is THERE ISN'T EVEN A SCUM FACTION directing lynches.

That said,

vote kaben

, I still say the more lynches the better.

[Lowell]

You folks are thinking way too much about the setup. Let's just kill people already.

[Lowell]

I'm kinda insulted no one wants me on their team. Also, that anyone would suggest toning down the killing.

[Lowell]

vote korlash

[Lowell]

Wrong move, folks.

Though I can't say there isn't a bit of poetic justice in store.

[Lowell]

I'm kinda insulted no one wants me on their team. Also, that anyone would suggest toning down the killing.

This is bad on a lot of levels.

Townie would never write this because it's asking to be recruited, which townie doesn't want. Only people who would want to write this are CL's or recruits who know they can't be recruited anymore. And if some other cult tries to recruit them it screws the other cult out of a successful recruit.

vote lowell

And FWIW, I blocked cavebear last night.

It was a throwaway comment. This reasoning for my votes is just awful.

[Lowell]

It actually doesn't.

This is hilarious. Scenario: I'm a cult recruiter. I open a day by saying things like "Gee, I haven't been recruited, wohoo!". Sound plausible?

I can claim if anyone wants me to, but I'd prefer to (a) wait, or (b) not claim at all and wait for idiots to realize they're idiots.

[Lowell]

unvote, vote pooky

. DR's post is a breath of fresh air.

[Lowell]

Okay screw it.

I'm a

bodyguard

. Last night I protected Muerrto, just because he seemed the most town.

[Lowell]

Okay screw it.

I'm a

bodyguard

. Last night I protected Muerrto, just because he seemed the most town.

Generally a Bodyguard targets a player and if that player is targeted by a kill the bodyguard dies instead.
How does this role work in this game?

Seriously this game has a surprising number of claimed power roles. I'm sure some of those are fake (we will eventually have to look at them again).
Bodyguard sounds very off so far.

It's basically a roleblocker. Ask Muerrto if he was able to convert anyone last night, that should clear it up.

[Lowell]

My role name is bodyguard.

As I said, my role description is a roleblocker. My target can't be recruited or killed, and can't do anything if s/he has powers.

[Lowell]

Wait, scratch that, I just rechecked.

My role doesn't say anything explicitly about blocking OUTGOING actions, only that it prevents my target from being recruited or killed. Muerrto, however, seems to be implying that my power does both.

[Lowell]

Lowell, I could believe your role, maybe. I think the town should have lots of PRs, and I think of bodyguard more like a doc.

Something that concerns me though is that Lowell only gave one choice.

Eh?? I only get one choice.

[Lowell]

Oh I gotcha. Yeah, I "protected" DGB on N0 and Muerrto last night.

[Lowell]

90% sure Lowell is lying regardless of that.

Well you're 90% an idiot, then.

My claim hasn't "changed" or "shifted". I told you both my role name and my role ability. What, exactly, would a more clear claim look like?

[Lowell]

That makes me think about EK's claim of roleblocker.
In a game of Suicidal Dayvigs, Density Cops and Prison Wardens a simple "roleblocker" sounds out of place, doesn't it?

Yes, this has occurred to me, and would also call into serious question Andycyca's claim of just tracker.

Such could help explain why we're hitting so many power roles and no scum. There are other possibilities, though. Before I spell out exactly what I'm thinking here, I'd like Lowell and elvis to claim whether you are recruitable. It would help me evaluate the claims. I'll explain exactly why once they've both responded - obviously if one or both are lying scum and know what I'm looking for, they'll tailor their answers.

You really want me to claim this?

[Lowell]

Whatever.

Yes, I am recruitable.

[Lowell]

I got a "big FOS"? What is that? I feel sort of violated.

Can we lynch someone who is actually useless, instead of trying to meta- our way into thinking I'm scum?

[Lowell]

If Lowell's recruitable and he protects someone then he gets recruited right?

So you guys are thinking he got recruited. Possible, but only if HE was recruited.

If I was recruited he was not recruited. Wow, that even makes my head spin but read that for exactly what it is. Just because he protected me does not make him more likely to have been recruited.

Now being recruitable and announcing it makes him have to die today anyway...

Unvote, Vote: Lowell

Sorry, but you yourself should agree with that if you're town.

But I like killing too much. Let me help bandwagon others, then we can talk.

[Lowell]

Although, in truth, I hadn't really considered what my ability would look like as a cultist. It doesn't seem like it would actually be much of a benefit to cult. Other than, maybe, I could block other potential rectuiters. Who knows.

Here's an interesting idea. Let Lowell live. I'll be recruited by someone by tomorrow anyway (or someone will kill me). Why not make cult waste a kill/recruit and then kill me tomorrow. Keep in mind, it's not like any one group will have a majority by tomorrow.

Not kidding, this is the most pro-town use of this role I can think of at this point.

[Lowell]

Fight on, brave town.