California Trilogy - Going to San Francisco (Game Over!)

[FaerieLord]

I'm hot therefore I shall confirm

[FaerieLord]

bah gawd, niv is in this game

protect your dictionaries, guys

This post makes me believe you really are Pod.

But yes, mr.dictionary is already feeling pain

[FaerieLord]

I have no idea

Niv

Let's prevent the strain!

Broken tags removed. - Mod

[FaerieLord]

Vote Niv

[FaerieLord]

@volkan: On number 3: So we should give reasons not to live in fear that you will degrade us in your opinion. A townie's aim isn't to stay alive. A townie's aim is to find scum. Even if it means it is at the expense of themselves.\

On number 6: I agree. Bandwagonning while barning is a scum tell, but bandwagonning with sufficient ORIGINAL reasoning is ok

On number 9: If you make a mistake, we should ignore them because you still might be town...nice.

On general. I don't like the fact that you destroyed the random voting stage and are already trying to lead the town into following your reasoning, not their own.

[FaerieLord]

@Rogueben. That's what I felt too, but no harm done with it up until now, so ok.

Also, since we have gone out of the random vote stage quite quicky,

Unvote

[FaerieLord]

I shall be away until Thursday afternoon. It's not the 48 hours recom by the mod, but I still though I should let you know

Also, what is a condorcet?

[FaerieLord]

So where does your non-random vote go?

I rarely vote, mostly when I'm not as involved in it.

Faerielord #45
Faerielord #80
Faerielord #66 for overreaction to #45

First one - It was a random vote. I know niv, he knows I joke because of his spelling.
Second one - I cannot really see what's wrong.
Third one - Since he posted the list, I thought I'd tell him before hand that I wouldn't follow it. Not all too much is it?

@Michel. Hadn't read them, but I'll go through them now. Also, you seem to find the fact that sens put nolynch after him. Does the last person in a concordet setup list matter than much?


Also, I'm back

[FaerieLord]

Why is it too early for lurkers? Are your scumbuddy's lurking?

:badposting:

Also, I don't like how you gave up this early. Providing a defense is the least you can do, especially if you're town.

[FaerieLord]

FL

Actually it's not paying enough attention to the game. I'll reread and post my opinions

[FaerieLord]

Volkan #76 - Bottom Part
Xtoxm #85 - (outing a lurker that early, plus ignoring the fact that there are more)
Niv #89 (His case on Xtoxm (Not unaccuracy, but wording))
SensFan #91
Xtoxm #93 - (Saying all lurkers are scum and lynching them just of it is good)
Post #110 - (Giving up this easily)
SensFan - #111 (omgus)
Niv #137 - Top Part
Xtoxm #145 - Appeal for Emotion

This list doesn't have gut opinions.

So thus, my list from scummiest to towniest is as follows (I won't vote yet since I don't want to put anyone at -1)

Xtoxm
SensFan
Niv
volkan
Rogueben
MrBuddyLee
Thesp
MichelSableheart
NabakovNabakov
BBMars
Gaspar
Machiavellian-Mafia
PookyTheMagicalBear
FaerieLord

[FaerieLord]

Providing a defense against what, exactly?

You can start with the posts I referred to

Oh? I assume you are talking about my remarks on dealing with mistakes. All I said was that a player's meta history is valid evidence which should not be dismissed immediately. Exemplifying this is our treatment of Xtoxm for his meta VIness. Scummy how?

It was mostly the way you worded it.

Tag fixed. - Mod

[FaerieLord]

For my 89, are you talking about my spelling/typing.

No

@FaerieLord: Any particular reason you followed MBL's lead in listing scummy posts?

That's the way I always do it. MBL just happened to do it before me

Unvote, Vote Niv

, Xtoxm, SensFan, {peeps here}, {peeps missing}, NoLynch, Me

[FaerieLord]

I voted Niv above for that terrible post answering pooky

1: i can't tell you, but this whole senario seams staged to me. i could be just a distraction tactic. but I couldn't tell you why.

First accuses it of being staged, but then answers that he has no idea why scum would stage it

2: possibly do something that looks more genuine, as, yes i understand thatyou are trying to get something out of X, but again it feels staged.

Says yet again that it is staged.

3: I don't care how X scumhunts, as long it finds scum more often than throwing darts at a dart board. he is not making a geuine effort beacuse he gave up this early at the time he was pushed to -2. and right now it dosent even look like he is paying attention to what people are doiung. he really dosent look like he is trying.

I partially agree that he could have tried harder here, but please do answer pooky's question.

[FaerieLord]

Do you believe Niv is scum?

I believe he is playing very scummily.

If you believe so, do you believe Xt is also scum?

Again, xt is also playing scummily

This doesn't necessarily mean that both of them are scum, it means that both of them are playing scummily, thus both need to either change their ways, convincing us they are town, or die for playing scummily without rememdy

How would Niv's scumminess effect Xt's scumminess?

What do you think the odds of Xt and Niv both being scum are?

I see it that if Niv dies and comes out as scum, Xt's scumminess will go down a bit

If Niv is scum, I doubt Xt is scum (mostly WIFOM) though. So no, I don't see them both as scum together.

We at PRS LLC have noticed a fine streak of strong writing from you, would you lik to join our fine staff on hand? This is a job offer, your starting position would be junior associate with the firm.

Elaborate?

[FaerieLord]

@MBL. Niv roleplayed as a gay fashionista in one of his games, so that could be amusing if you're into it.

Other than that not a lot of new material

[FaerieLord]

Fae, could you link me to two past games on MafiaScum in which you were protown? I want to check something.

Bluejam, Prophecy mafia (had to replace out). I'm trying to remember more games. Newbie (numbers). If you want, on mtgs I played in Simenon's 7 player mini. And I'm playing in HP mafia on mtgs as well.

(I'll try to remember more games. I don't keep record of them)

A general question to everyone: When you observe a player behaving irrationally, how does that generally affect your interpretation of their alignment?

According to who they are. If it's loran (a person on mtgs, pod knows him) then I'd see him as scummy. If it was cpe, I'd shrug

Fae: Same question, given your post 159.

What bothered me is that he gave up. And if we don't lynch people that give up, people will be using it as a way out. I don't really get what you mean about digging a hole

[FaerieLord]

I'm still not feeling the mach mafia wagon. I really don't get it.

As for claim, sure. Since we are deadlined a claim seems like a good ida

[FaerieLord]

Just noting that the in game prod came after I posted a post with more than 25 words.

Still leaving my votes as they are. I state again, that I absolutely don't get the MM case. The only one very slightly scummy is his 12th post. But Niv's posts are far worse.

[FaerieLord]

If Fae can convince me that awkward wording is a scumtell, I'll eat my laptop. Seriously.

I've read Niv games, and he doesn't post that way as town

Fae, explain your position on gut and why Niv's use of it is scummy

I don't like whenever gut is used, as I see it as a cop out to reasoning. And again see above.

I know I'm metagaming, but trust me, it seems really off

Essentially, Fae says here that if the player is known for being irrational, he takes that into consideration when assessing their scumminess. Earlier (Post 143), Fae stated that he "know

Niv." Interestingly enough, every single person I can think of who "knows Niv" knows that he tends to be irrational and inarticulate. Huh. You'd think that Fae would have mentioned this at some point or another... perhaps tried to explain why he thinks Niv is scum in spite of his playing tendencies, or at least how "knowing Niv" has changed his view, if at all.

He is inarticulate, but he is not that aggressive

[FaerieLord]

Oh yeah, pre /in to III as well. I really liked this game.

[FaerieLord]

Yeah, my day 1 play was pretty bad, but I think I did a good job after I died, especially considering the fact I convinced a good number of people in the Hotel that I was really part of a survivor trio that wanted to keep country alive.

[FaerieLord]

Guardian, SCAPE killed you.