Large Normal 210 - Endgame

[texcat]

Hi, everyone. I hope we have a fun game. I'm totally not mafia by the way. Swearzies.

VOTE: Kokichi Oma

[texcat]

Hi, everyone. I hope we have a fun game. I'm totally not mafia by the way. Swearzies.

Might be null. A quick check on his meta shows that he had this kind of starting post as town before. (One of Boonie's games.)

I checked Boonie's game and another one and see that they are similar, but the big difference is that there is no declaration of town alignment in the others. And that is what I was voting for.

I'm Just gonna be an edgy mofo. I've seen enough.

Shoot: Lovebird

I'm not sure if I've ever actually played in a game with a day vig.

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Yeah, I'm always suspicious of people who need to declare that they are town. But I only did the checking because Aneninen questioned it.

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I didn't much like Jodaxq's post, but am willing to wait and see.

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There should be a murder!

..of crows?

man what a bad fucking vote

joda is completely null right now and that's the only way you should perceive her at this time.

Correct

What's your problem with that

I'm not scumreading anyone right now, it's asinine that you can scumread someone on 5 posts in a 7 page game

And yet you're comfortable town reading people from a single post. I don't understand how that works. And it seems like you scum read Frogger on a single post.

ATTN THOSE WHO TR LOVEBIRD:

(5) Lovebird: Aneninen, Transcend, Fro99er, TwoInAMillion, rb

If Love is town then who is scum on the mislynch? Or is it an all town motivated mislynch?

No idea and I don't care

You don't care who is scum?? That can't be right.

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Random thoughts....
The reactions of Mulch and Kokichi for being voted for essentially the same reasons were very different. I suspect that may just be their different playstyles. Mulch attacked Brass and defended himself numerous times and defended Kokichi. Kokichi just barely mentioned it.

I'm already tired of the Frogger/Mulch conversation. Large games are hard enough without all the bickering.

@Transcend, I'd like to know how you read Assemble even if he's only posted 4 times in a game. Last time I played with him I copped him on N1 because I knew I'd never get a read on him.

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I keep thinking that perhaps I should unvote or move my vote since I'm still parked on my RVS vote of Kokichi, but I think I'm happy leaving it there.

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I keep thinking that perhaps I should unvote or move my vote since I'm still parked on my RVS vote of Kokichi, but I think I'm happy leaving it there.

I thought your vote wasn’t RVS and you gave reasons for voting koki

Yeah, it wasn't random, but it was based on page 1 crappy reasons, and we were mostly still in RVS at the time. Still Kokichi is not looking any townier in my book. I did not like the entire bullet proof episode.

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2319 wagon is bad.

what intel do you have to declare this

It seems obvious to me that scum first tried to put Brass forward as the alternative to Kokichi and then when that didn't really take off they're trying 2319. When you've got a scum in the noose, it's lynchbait that get proposed as alternatives.

I think Kokichi and Mulch are lovers. Kokichi is scum and is desperately trying to get confirmed as town. He decides to claim mason and hope that Mulch will go along with it. Honest town Mulch does not, but he does not want to die with his lover so soon. (Or alternatively, a not so honest town Mulch realizes that a counterclaim would be bad for town, and does not go along with the fake claim.)

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is lover a normal role

even if it is i think it's a bullshit theory.

I don't see it listed under normal approved roles, but it's not listed either under roles that can't be in normals.
Why do you think Mulch is defending Kokichi?

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My next claim is that I'm a day friendly neighbor, and showed myself to Mulch. Who believes me?

Nope. Not me. At least not until Mulch confirms.

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Yeah, my vote is never moving from Kokichi. I don't want to see the 4th or 5th fake claim.

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I see zero town reasons for Kokochi's fake claims.

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They are anti-town. We could have had a mason counterclaim easily. That would not have been good for town.

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i swear to fucking god, transcend is not today's lynch

not happening

Unless your masons this is horrendous

And yet I see that rb has actual reasons for town reading Transcend. What were your reasons for town reading Kokichi?

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@Texcat

Would you mind giving reasons for more of your posts? It's hard for me to discern your alignment.

My reason for this post is that you asked me a question. My other reason for this post is that I haven't posted in a while and am probably getting close to prod territory.



Is that what you meant? OK, really, like my reasons for voting Kokichi? Or was there something specific you wanted me to talk about?

Kokichi appears to have no interest in scum hunting. Most of his posts are about himself. His primary goal seems to be getting town read, but for me, proclaiming that you are not scum and making three fake claims is not going to work.

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Can someone other an anenein tldr this koki wagon? I dont understand

*sigh*
Really? I did it just a few minutes ago... 1092 How short does it need to be for you to read it?

[texcat]

Can someone other an anenein tldr this koki wagon? I dont understand

*sigh*
Really? I did it just a few minutes ago... 1092 How short does it need to be for you to read it?

Sorry tex, I skimmed over that.

Do you think koki is a better lynch today than brass?

I do, unless you agree with "The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers".

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We need to let the replacements finish their catchup.

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btw kokichi and I actually are masons

lol

I'm not buying it. Can you explain why you weren't masons a week ago, but are masons now? What has changed? Do you have day chat as masons?

[texcat]

Gamma/Transcend/Texcat

wait
you're aware that this game is 17p right

I know it's my confirmation bias, but that really looked like a fake town slip to me. Did not feel real at all.

btw kokichi and I actually are masons

lol

I'm not buying it. Can you explain why you weren't masons a week ago, but are masons now? What has changed? Do you have day chat as masons?

Why is it not credible? Did they push each other?

Koki has softed bulletproof.
Then he claimed to me masons with Mulch, and Mulch denied it.
Then he claimed to be a day friendly neighbor exposed to Mulch, and Mulch again denied it.

You should really just do a quick ISO of Kokichi, but keep your waders on.

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Do you think fake claiming is townie?? What if he was counterclaimed?

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Do you think fake claiming is townie?? What if he was counterclaimed?

It's not really townie but I don't see why it's scummy either. I've seen people fakeclaim and fakesoft as both aligns, if he's counterclaimed then whoops

I have too, but usually when town fake claims they are able to explain, at some point, why they did it, what the town motivation was. We never saw any follow-up from Koki, like... Here's what I learned from reactions to my fake claims. All we saw was another fake claim.

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And I see only 8 votes on Gamma.

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I see votes from Kokichi, rb, Frogger, 2inA, Fissure, transcend, una, uzi

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Huh. You'd think scum would come up with a better claim than that.

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Ugh. Waking up to 8 new pages to plow through. Don't yall ever sleep? I've mostly caught up, but I did skip most of Frogger's drunk posts.

The cat is a fan of random chance. Risk taker! Bad person, or thrill seeker? Take a chance!

Ive never been so simultaneously amused and aggravated at the same time

I wish I had a clue what this meant. Am I the cat?

OFF THE TABLE: OMA RB FROGGER UZIVERT 2INAMIL DOGGO ANENINEN MARSHY TEXCAT

ON THE TABLE: LOVEBIRD UNABOMB JODAXQ (tho leanin town there yo) MACABRE (prob only as policy)

I'm assuming that some of those are only off the table for today? Because I have not added Frogger or Uzi to my town pile. And there might still be an outside chance of Aneninen or Kokichi being scum. I would guess that Assemble is town, but it wouldn't be a guess that I'd wager more than a nickel on.

Consider my vote to be on Lovebird. (Not sure what the VC is at the moment.)

[texcat]

VOTE: Texcaat

Next time vig, listen to me.

We lynch in Texcat/Transcend/UnabombaH

[texcat]

Is everyone still hungover?

VOTE: Lovebird
I'm not a fan of the difference between Day 1 Lovebird vs Day 2.

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Or if he's just trolling us with another fake claim.

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Me either, and I still think 2319/Marshy town. Brass was the one who put him at L-1, and I don't think that was a bus. There's probably at least one more scum on that wagon.

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Was that a hammer from the crow?

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Ugh. Transcend, why are you abandoning the Lovebird lynch you've been pushing since the very beginning? Look at what Love did today. He lurked and hoped his wagon would go away. When it didn't, he came in and defended himself just enough to get a couple of unvotes. Doesn't that smell like scum under pressure to you?

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Then why exactly do you keep calling me scum? Have you ever explained it?

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Yeah, my vote is never moving from Kokichi. I don't want to see the 4th or 5th fake claim.

I see zero town reasons for Kokochi's fake claims.

I don't like these posts, she says that she doesn't like my fake claims, but it was clear that none of them were legit for a reason.

I don't know what you're saying here. My votes were for a reason. Are you saying that none of your fake claims were legit for a reason. You never went anywhere with it. You never explained why you were fake claiming. I thought it was just to sow confusion and dischord and fishing for counterclaim.

I also claimed to be mason at the end with Mulch (who confirmed us as mason's together.) And she had no reaction to it. Wouldn't someone who had a hard scumread at least have some sort of reaction to it? It just seems like she's parked her vote on me since her first post of the game and hasn't done any game solving or scumhunting to try and find my alignment. It looks like she is just hoping for a mislynch on someone for being 'purposely' scummy.

They are anti-town. We could have had a mason counterclaim easily. That would not have been good for town.

This some of you might find silly, but I don't like the way this post is formatted, in the way that she is referring to' town' like she isn't part of the town. It's just seems like a perceptive slip to me.

Huh. You'd think scum would come up with a better claim than that.

Look at these posts defending gamma softly, she was trying to derail it without being too much involved. Also, don't you think that someone who scumread me would be more vocal about me being scum and it's me leading the wagon on town? She didn't say anything about that and was just subtly trying to derail it. (she didn't even say that he was weary of the Gamma wagon just because I led it. Which bring me to my next point.)

Uhm...no. Yes I was softly defending Gamma. I was questioning and examining his odd claim. I don't think that is scum indicative. I certainly would not do that as scum. I'd either hard defend him, or I'd bus him. And sorry, I didn't realize that you were leading the wagon.

Actually, I'm fine with lynching Lovebird.

VOTE: Lovebird

Is everyone still hungover?

VOTE: Lovebird
I'm not a fan of the difference between Day 1 Lovebird vs Day 2.

See how she's so willing to vote Lovebird here? Yet didn't want to vote Gamma at all? Also, there is the fact that she says she still hard scumreads me, yet she easily went to the Lovebird wagon, even though I voted it. Isn't it weird that she didn't even bring up that she was weary that I'm on the wagon?

Are you kidding? It's Day Two. Do you think I should have the same reads I had on Day One? And you were scumreading Brass/Gamma all day one. And you've now soft claimed cop. Where did I say I still hard scumread you on Day 2? Granted I still have creeping suspicions, but far far from a hard scumread.

She also says that she isn't a fan of Lovebird's Day 1 and Day 2 difference, yet HASN'T explained what the difference is at all, or even quote some posts to back up his reads.

Uhh yeah I did. You even quoted it below. You didn't agree with it, but hey what do I expect?

So basically, all we have is someone who is kept their vote on their first post of the game vote. Was very hesitant and tried to subtly defend Gamma's claim, and someone who is okay joining a wagon who their top scumread is on, which contradicts the day prior when it came to confirmed mafia.

You were my top scumread yesterday. That's why my vote was on you. Events happened. Flips happened. You are no longer my top scumread. That's why my vote is on Lovebird who is my top scumread. You're really distorting things here.

Ugh. Transcend, why are you abandoning the Lovebird lynch you've been pushing since the very beginning? Look at what Love did today. He lurked and hoped his wagon would go away. When it didn't, he came in and defended himself just enough to get a couple of unvotes. Doesn't that smell like scum under pressure to you?

Also I disagree with this post, they didn't lurk at all, in fact I feel like when votes were piling up, that's when they started to post. I don't think Lovebird was even here when votes began piling on her.

Because you are all being dodgy/lurky.

How? I have the 2nd most posts in the game of people alive. And I clearly explained my scumread in depth.

So what? Number of posts is irrelevant, especially when half of them don't say anything more than vote tex. You have 1 substantial post above.

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rb -- hope everything is OK and you recover soon.

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UNVOTE:

can't lie i've been pretty unconfident that lovebird would flip scum but her d1 voting patterns were terrible

If Lovebird is town, why did he sit at L-1 for so long? Does that mean all the scum were already on the wagon or that scum off the wagon were abstentees or were scum just reluctant to hammer? I still think Lovebird is likely scum.

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the 2319/marshy slot is looking very scummy as well.

scum r on da ropes.

But kokichi claims that slot is 100% town.