Large Normal 208 - Fireworks Festival [End]

[TwoInAMillion]

VOTE: I Am Innocent

Cause wagoning is fun and rvs isn't.

[TwoInAMillion]

Cool, double wagons.

[TwoInAMillion]

Two wagons are better than one. No need to change.

[TwoInAMillion]

OK I bullshitted some reads while claiming macho miller how was my mastina impression

^scum looking for towncred

[TwoInAMillion]

HARD CLAIMING Town Serial Killer. I win when I eithe rkill everyone, or all threats to the town (besides me) are dead....so i can win with town or no one

Sorry this is a large "normal". .

[TwoInAMillion]

OK I bullshitted some reads while claiming macho miller how was my mastina impression

^scum looking for towncred

I can't be scum if my role pm has a town win condition

You failed the lie detector saying "have you ever lied in a mafia game".

[TwoInAMillion]

VOTE: Alisae

This is scum.

[TwoInAMillion]

I have a scum read on Alisea. That claim makes me think she is scum trying to find an early excuse for Cop coming back guilty!
I have a scum read on Nero. The early interactions with Alisea makes me think this

What if you are scum with Alisae and are saying this to get me lynched when/if Alisae flips scum?

This doesn't make any sense.

[TwoInAMillion]

If anything claiming day 1 when there is no point to it is anti-town.

[TwoInAMillion]

If anything claiming day 1 when there is no point to it is anti-town.

As we've established you've literally motivated flipped scum before, you'll have to forgive me not taking your opinions on proper play at less than face value.

Where?

[TwoInAMillion]

I choose the term anti town on day 1 because there is so little hard data to go on.

[TwoInAMillion]

Like, if he's town, Scum already sees the PR claim and will shoot him tonight. If he can confirmed-clear himself he should do it now so we can work around it. HE'S ALREADY PR-CLAIMED AND SAID HE CAN CONFIRM HIMSELF, so he should do it. If town can operate with one Confirmed Townie (and possibly with a Vig shot or something like it,) there's no reason he should hold back.

TOWN IS AN UNINFORMED MAJORITY, AND WITHHOLDING INFORMATION IS INHERENTLY ANTI-TOWN.

That's my view.

I still don't see any pro town reason to claim this early.

[TwoInAMillion]

Not that it matters: my point is, it's a gambit, and it's a gambit that sometimes works.

Can confirm this is a gambit that works often and would totally do so as scum. Don't plan on that worry being an issue here, ever.

How can a role that allows town to lynch twice in a day be considered a normal role, and why won't you hard claim?

[TwoInAMillion]

@Cabd - You're expecting us to believe that the mod created a new role for you that allows you to lynch twice in a day, that this was approved by the reviewers as a normal role, you expect us to believe that you softclaiming is not suspicious. Also, care to explain how your claim is unique to being town and could not be a scum role?

[TwoInAMillion]

Not that it matters: my point is, it's a gambit, and it's a gambit that sometimes works.

Can confirm this is a gambit that works often and would totally do so as scum. Don't plan on that worry being an issue here, ever.

How can a role that allows town to lynch twice in a day be considered a normal role, and why won't you hard claim?

If you have a problem with it, take it up with the group of people who Review Normal Game Setups. He did hardclaim. He gave us what we needed and we can now confirm it. There is no longer any reason to waste time talking about it.

He hasn't given us the details:

*What is the name of the role?
*Is it only one shot?
*Can it be used any day?
*Are there restrictions on when it can be used?
*Do you have any other powers in addition to this one?

[TwoInAMillion]

Not that it matters: my point is, it's a gambit, and it's a gambit that sometimes works.

Can confirm this is a gambit that works often and would totally do so as scum. Don't plan on that worry being an issue here, ever.

How can a role that allows town to lynch twice in a day be considered a normal role, and why won't you hard claim?

VOTE: 2inamillion

Okay, let's dig your hole deeper and OMGUS in addition to claiming a non normal role in a normal game.

[TwoInAMillion]

I dont really think cabd would come up with such a power role, but how doe that all work. traditionally. when one gets enough votes for a lynch, the thread is locked upon reveal of lynched players role.
So. how does this all work. here is my questions

-does player's role get revealed and they can no longer lynched, but the thread isn't locked?
-do their last vote count after the lynch?
-Is this a one time ability, or does it last until you die

You know what they say about assuming.

[TwoInAMillion]

I am answering exactly zero of those questions; you'll have to wait and see. Just know there will be two flips today, and vote normally.

if there are NOT two flips before the end of the day, then ya'll can lynch me first thing tomorrow. I'm not worried about that, though.

Either way the role I've drawn this game has given me an extremely short shelf life and I am playing this the way I see as best.

WHy did you have to claim at all? Why not let us lynch someone and we would see for ourselves that there is another lynch and you wouldn't have to be outed.

[TwoInAMillion]

I dont really think cabd would come up with such a power role, but how doe that all work. traditionally. when one gets enough votes for a lynch, the thread is locked upon reveal of lynched players role.
So. how does this all work. here is my questions

-does player's role get revealed and they can no longer lynched, but the thread isn't locked?
-do their last vote count after the lynch?
-Is this a one time ability, or does it last until you die

tbh none of that needs outed. we have a role claim that we can prove. It's normal so no bastard-mod stuff (where the role he's told he is is false).
He has PR-claimed early, which I think was a mistake but gives us the ability to use his power for Town. He has softclaimed after being stepped on a little bit. He even went so far to admit that the gambit I thought he could be using (which others were trying to discredit me for) is a popular scum gambit. He has been extremely compliant. I trust him, and if you want to squeeze him for more information later, you can do so. For now,

please focus on finding scum, ie Joey.

WHy did you have to claim at all? Why not let us lynch someone and we would see for ourselves that there is another lynch and you wouldn't have to be outed.

Because then Day 2 would be full of frantic chaotic bullshit and people throwing around claims and freaking out over the setup? And Scum would capitalize on that chaos and lynch a bunch of townies? C'mon, you can answer this one yourself.

First of all, this isn't necessarily true. Second of all, better to have some uncertainty than to lose a town player.

[TwoInAMillion]

WHy did you have to claim at all? Why not let us lynch someone and we would see for ourselves that there is another lynch and you wouldn't have to be outed.

Plus, imagine if Day 1 ended with a surprise double lynch that we were unable to direct. That's two town lynches (day 1 is most commonly mislynches) in one day. Honestly the more questions you ask the more I'm thinking this was a good idea.

Fos Million

Second of all, better to have some uncertainty than to lose a town player.

If he

doesn't

claim, and we have a double lynch Day 1, we lose a town player.
Please think this stuff through.

The last two games I've played(as town) have ended in scum lynches, so I don't buy your theory. Sure, town day 1 lynches are common, but not if you play well.

Your whole strategy is assuming an incompetent town. If the town is incompetent, we will lose anyways.

[TwoInAMillion]

I mean day 1 has ended in scum lynches, of course.

[TwoInAMillion]

I mean day 1 has ended in scum lynches, of course.

That doesn't mean that that happens a majority of the time or even often. If you cannot assume that town will lynch town day 1, you

certainly

cannot make the assumption that town will lynch scum day 1.
That's like assuming it's going to be a full moon, while also asserting "you can't assume it's going to be any of the [/i]other[/i] moon shapes!

this is my werewolf breadcrumb post teehee

I'm not making any assumption.

If anyone is making an assumption it's you and camd.

Day 1 town lynches may happen more often than scum lynches, but operating based on that assumption is a dangerous slippery slope. Scum lynches and town wins don't happen by accident.

[TwoInAMillion]

Why would our second lynch be completely random? Assumably we would be able to discuss it as much as we could the first one.

[TwoInAMillion]

TIAM posts aren't even worth answering, for those who has basic understanding of the normal game rule would know why his posts are wrong.

I know how normal games work. I know it's possible for him to have a non normal role. I just don't think it's a) likely and b) a good idea to claim.

[TwoInAMillion]

TIAM posts aren't even worth answering, for those who has basic understanding of the normal game rule would know why his posts are wrong.

Agreed; and part of me wonders if I'm just stupid reading him not scum reading him.

But the other part of me wants to lynch it with fire lest we end up with another fuzzylogic hammering confotown nacho in lylo.

I think you have an issue with someone disagreeing with you on a fundamental level. Usually town players are willing to have an open mind that they might be wrong.

[TwoInAMillion]

I'm getting warning signs.

Let's talk about this.

Okay GiF
I don't like how Cabd is implying his role makes him town just by mentioning it multiple times, because that's how I'm reading it.
I also think his impatience and attitude towards TWIM is faked and super overblown.

So do you think scum would have motivation in faking an overreaction?

[TwoInAMillion]

UNVOTE: Alisae

[TwoInAMillion]

Cabd fyi I don't give a dam about your role
if you are town you'll communicate that via play.

So far he has. The main mark of his play has been level-headedness, willingness to cooperate with the town (me), and most of all,

HIS ROLECLAIM.

Tell us more about these "warning signs" you have from Cabd?

I'm getting warning signs.

Let's talk about this.

Okay GiF
I don't like how Cabd is implying his role makes him town just by mentioning it multiple times, because that's how I'm reading it.
I also think his impatience and attitude towards TWIM is faked and super overblown.

I think you need to stop using the words "faked" and "overblown," since you've used it to describe both Cabd and me.

He's not "implying his role makes him town by mentioning it multiple times," although the role he's claimed is inherently an

asset to the town

, so.

He's implying he's town because he's making the most-Town-aligned decisions he can make concerning his role: IE, giving a second lynch TO TOWN.

If day 1 lynches are normally against town, then how is having a 2nd lynch a town advantage?

[TwoInAMillion]

If day 1 lynches are normally against town, then how is having a 2nd lynch a town advantage?

You do not balance a setup based on which days have higher rate of mislynch.
Mechanically, more lynch = more chance for town to lynch scum

Thank you for making my point.

[TwoInAMillion]

I think it's possible Camd's claim is correct and he just made a poor judgement in claiming.

[TwoInAMillion]

I think it's possible Camd's claim is correct and he just made a poor judgement in claiming.

Or maybe he did make the best decision in claiming exactly how he did and you are the one who lacks the information to decides if he outed correctly or not

Well I am obviously lacking information because he is not full claiming, but I fail to see if he thinks "his role gives him a short life" why full claiming would not be the best thing to do.

[TwoInAMillion]

I think it's possible Camd's claim is correct and he just made a poor judgement in claiming.

Cabd usually knows what he is doing so I'd like to think he doesn't make poor judgment calls.
What makes you think its a poor judgment call?

Because a) it makes him a target for a scum kill and b) it shows a lack of trust in town with all the information and c) it doesn't seem like he is being forthright with weather or not this was an easy decision for him to claim.

[TwoInAMillion]

I think it's possible Camd's claim is correct and he just made a poor judgement in claiming.

Or maybe he did make the best decision in claiming exactly how he did and you are the one who lacks the information to decides if he outed correctly or not

Well I am obviously lacking information because he is not full claiming, but I fail to see if he thinks "his role gives him a short life" why full claiming would not be the best thing to do.

Exactly, you dont have his full claim.

If hes town, theres a very good reason that he doesnt full claim atm, why doubt him for that? The only reason youd want him to full claim is if you think hes mafia, if not just let him try to play his role the best way possible.

This is like my 6th straight town game and I've played 0 scum games. I've learned not to trust people.

[TwoInAMillion]

lack of trust

Welcome to mafia

touche

[TwoInAMillion]

Another possibility is that Camd is a PGO or asking for doctor protection.

[TwoInAMillion]

PGO would not be approved but a double lyncher would be?

[TwoInAMillion]

VOTE: I Am Innocent

Lurker vote.

[TwoInAMillion]

VOTE: I Am Innocent

Lurker vote.

[TwoInAMillion]

double post obviously. Not a double vote.

I want more of the lurkers to post so I can adequately get a full read list.

[TwoInAMillion]

Only scum read is dunk. Everyone else posting regularly is town.

[TwoInAMillion]

TIAM, are you angry at Cabd for claiming, for not claiming, or do you think he's scum?

I'm not entirely sure at this point.

Claiming. And I just don't think it was well thought out.

[TwoInAMillion]

I am guessing the other scum are in the lurkers.

[TwoInAMillion]

I am guessing the other scum are in the lurkers.

it's like, less than 12 hours into Day 1.
There are no lurkers.
Some people have jobs
Some have kids
Some have lives.

We'll see.

[TwoInAMillion]

I am guessing the other scum are in the lurkers.

it's like, less than 12 hours into Day 1.
There are no lurkers.
Some people have jobs
Some have kids
Some have lives.

This kinda sounds like scum making excuses for his scumbuddies.

[TwoInAMillion]

Who wants to vote TwoInAMillion with me?
VOTE: 2 in a 1000000

Not many.

[TwoInAMillion]

Cabd said themselves they would do this gambit as scum whatever this gambit is

I would do something similar, yes. But it's going to clear itself up on its own well before day one is over.

The role or your alignment?

[TwoInAMillion]

VOTE: two in a million

Okay, I have one scum caught for you guys. You can thank me later.

[TwoInAMillion]

Who wants to vote TwoInAMillion with me?
VOTE: 2 in a 1000000

Por que?

His posts are bad and I am getting the impression he is trying to act useful and not trying to solve the game.

Vote with me Nauci and I will lead you to fortune and victory.

Which posts specifially are bad? Each and every one?

[TwoInAMillion]

Innocent child doesn't give you a second lynch.

[TwoInAMillion]

Which posts specifially are bad? Each and every one?

You really just have a lot of posts and not a lot of meaningful content is what I am getting at.

My day 1 strategy is to interact with as many people as possible usually. It's worked for me in the past. There's usually not a lot of content to deal with day 1.

[TwoInAMillion]

Plus my work week begins tomorrow and I won't have as much time to post.

[TwoInAMillion]

I can assure you I am town. There are much better people to wagon. I understand I haven't played with a lot of you and you are unsure of me, and I get that, but if I don't make sense now I will later.

[TwoInAMillion]

I am getting pushed because I am active and OMG I AM QUESTIONING CAMD!

Right now I am just pushing theories around and seeing where everything fits I don't think CAMD is scum at this point.

[TwoInAMillion]

I am getting pushed because I am active and OMG I AM QUESTIONING CAMD!

Right now I am just pushing theories around and seeing where everything fits I don't think CAMD is scum at this point.

I am pushing you because I don't really see many stances coming from your slot.
What are your town and scum reads atm?

I don't make stances early as a rule. That's what leads to day 1 mislynches. I take more stances as more information comes in.

Right now dunk is definately on my scum list.

Leaning scum would be the lurkers(a lot of them out there).

Long shot scum would be you or Nero.

[TwoInAMillion]

I am getting pushed because I am active and OMG I AM QUESTIONING CAMD!

Right now I am just pushing theories around and seeing where everything fits I don't think CAMD is scum at this point.

I mean, TBF your thing about CABD not claiming a normal role despite the fact that he claimed non-normal was kinda derpy and I can maybe understand CABD thinking that is from bad scum but I also think that you are a decent push/hedge and that the push on you in skin deep as best. I think CABD could still be possibly scum that's gambiting (but we'll see where things go) and Dunker is just bad.

How often do you think there are non normal roles in normal games?

[TwoInAMillion]

its actually pretty common I think.

Even if that's the case, a reaction test is worth pursuing.

[TwoInAMillion]

I am innocent
Rhah
Quick
Shiro
AxelGreaser

[TwoInAMillion]

votecount 1.3

Shiro is V/LA until October 17.

Once again. You are not reading the goddamn thread. Know who doesn't bother reading the thread? People who already know all the fucking alignments.

Overreacting is more of a scum tell. It's one sentence.

[TwoInAMillion]

I am innocent
Rhah
Quick
Shiro
AxelGreaser

What are your reads on Gerroat and Flubbernugget, both of whom have fewer posts than AxelGreaser?

Gerroat I have played with and I want to see more from him.

Flubber would be listed under there too. I didn't do an in depth post activity analysis.

[TwoInAMillion]

its actually pretty common I think.

Even if that's the case, a reaction test is worth pursuing.

on a skim, it might not be all that common. Like I'm not all up in your grill about it but I could see where someone goes "I CLAIMED NON-NORMAL, YOU MUST BE SCUM TO THINK THAT I CLAIMED NORMAL!"

That could be the case. I don't think it's likely that he's scum based on his claimed role, but I think he is overreacting more than town would and not wanting to collaborate more than town would.

[TwoInAMillion]

It's a little bit early to be making threats isn't it?

[TwoInAMillion]

FOS: AxelGreaser

[TwoInAMillion]

@TwoInAMillion

The thread has been moving on, so i am cutting to the chase.

The reason I was asking is I had problem with you as a towny having both these thoughts.

I know how normal games work. I know it's possible for him to have a non normal role. I just don't think it's a) likely and b) a good idea to claim.

You know it not good idea for townies to claim roles.
Yet you persist in wanting him to claim ever more aspects of his role.

He hasn't given us the details:

*What is the name of the role?
*Is it only one shot?
*Can it be used any day?
*Are there restrictions on when it can be used?
*Do you have any other powers in addition to this one?

How can it be good idea to you, to out ever more aspects of the role when role claiming >as a general idea< is in your view bad.

Because the fewer details he gives the easier it is for him to fakeclaim if he is scum.

[TwoInAMillion]

I love how someone claims day one and everyone is so quick to buddy up with him.

[TwoInAMillion]

Cabd does what specifically?

[TwoInAMillion]

Cabd does what specifically?

Let me just tell you that one thing he's known for is fakeclaiming a third party as town and winning in a certain LyLo.

Do you think this is a gambit or do you think he is being 100% truthful?

[TwoInAMillion]

But do tell me why you're town.
If I agree I'll townread you.

Just say he could save 15% by switching to geico.

[TwoInAMillion]

Why do you have a hard on for cabd?

[TwoInAMillion]

Also, you criticizing others for their cabd reads/conversations then basing more than half your reads on reactions to cabd is very hypocritical.

[TwoInAMillion]

@Axel

I had 0 knowledge of how experienced TIAM is. That's why my follow up was If A then B, if C then D formatted. I asked you since you seemed to be one of the more knowledgeable/experienced and willing to talk about that kind of meta stuff.

Try my wiki page. I am 3-1, all town victories.

[TwoInAMillion]

I don't think it's hypocritical. Reactions to cabd are different than reactions to reactions about him.

I've always had a hard on for yelling at people discussing town that promise an early self confirm.

Wow what a defense. Something is different therefore it makes it good.

[TwoInAMillion]

Care to explain? You know for a fact that he is town? We have other players saying that he is known for gambiting and he is being less than forthright.

[TwoInAMillion]

At least half the people on my wagon are scum. I am the definition of low hanging fruit.

[TwoInAMillion]

VOTE: dunk

[TwoInAMillion]

Dayvig is a normal role so Camd is not a dayvig.

-1 on Camd for trying to force dunk.

[TwoInAMillion]

Dayvig is a normal role so Camd is not a dayvig.

-1 on Camd for trying to force dunk.

Jesus Christ it is taking everything I have no to fucking shoot this.

If you shoot me for making a valid point then it just makes you look bad. You should be looking for scum not constantly looking over your back.

[TwoInAMillion]

Dayvig is a normal role so Camd is not a dayvig.

-1 on Camd for trying to force dunk.

Jesus Christ it is taking everything I have no to fucking shoot this.

Do it.

Camd is acting as scummy as hell and hiding behind his "role"

[TwoInAMillion]

Dayvig is a normal role so Camd is not a dayvig.

-1 on Camd for trying to force dunk.

what the fuck are you smoking?

I think trying to be macho and forcing players into an early claim is anti-town. He's trying to feign a position of strength that he's not in.

[TwoInAMillion]

Dayvig is a normal role so Camd is not a dayvig.

-1 on Camd for trying to force dunk.

what the fuck are you smoking?

Alisae, did you read the link I posted?


He literally and WILLINGLY KNOWINGLY chose to repeat dead and flipped scum's actions in a game that ended a week ago.

This is about par for the fucking course.

What are you talking about?

[TwoInAMillion]

tiam I do not think he is lieing therefore he is either town or sk and the way he is playing is way against an sk's wincon so he's town.
I think you are town but honestly I am starting to lose the will to defend you.

pedit: HELLO?

I'm not asking to be defended. If anyone needs to be defended it's camd. His self awareness is more indicative of sk than dayvig. He literally has no interest in scumhunting.

[TwoInAMillion]

Do you worst. First of all, I don't believe you have a gun. Second of all, if you shoot town behind "policy-vig", that makes you even more scummy.

[TwoInAMillion]

VOTE: Camd

There is no excuse for his behavior.

[TwoInAMillion]

I believe Camd is a vanilla townie.

[TwoInAMillion]

UNVOTE: cabd

[TwoInAMillion]

I don't believe a single thing cabd says.

[TwoInAMillion]

If it were up to cabd we would massclaim.

[TwoInAMillion]

If it were up to cabd we would massclaim.

WHAT THE FUCK

A green role PM does not assure town-oriented play.

Says the pathological liar.

[TwoInAMillion]

If it were up to cabd we would massclaim.

WHAT THE FUCK

A green role PM does not assure town-oriented play.

Says the pathological liar.

And the explicit problem with that is?

People don't trust liars.

[TwoInAMillion]

@TwoInAMillion,

Are you a mason?

I plead the fifth.

[TwoInAMillion]

VOTE: Alisae

[TwoInAMillion]

theres no vig, get over it.

[TwoInAMillion]

I will say "there is no vig" over and over until people stop saying there is.

[TwoInAMillion]

I will say "there is no vig" over and over until people stop saying there is.

K when I shoot you will publicly apologize for this post and admit I'm vig, yes or yes?

There is no vig.

[TwoInAMillion]

I'll just sheep gerry at this point. both wagons are good.

VOTE: dunk

[TwoInAMillion]

@TIAM

Spoiler: TIAM

Assuming RHAH is your mason partner listen to him

You may think these

I don't believe a single thing cabd says.

I believe Camd is a vanilla townie.

but given this

You can quicklynch me if I don't shoot somebody today.

(and that is not someone, who does that regularly) (hence would likely get lynched)

Just assume, he is not vanilla town.
True not everything he says is totally true, this is mafia.

You know what they say about assumptions.

[TwoInAMillion]

dont lynch, have cabd shoot.

there's no point, he's not a vig.

[TwoInAMillion]

I don't see any reason why you needed to claim.

[TwoInAMillion]

See, I was right, he doesn't have a gun, he has fireworks.

[TwoInAMillion]

Probably not but there can be a non normal role.

[TwoInAMillion]

ftr he wasn't antagonizing me he was just trying to.

[TwoInAMillion]

I could see an alisae joey scumteam they are avoiding each other.

[TwoInAMillion]

I will say "there is no vig" over and over until people stop saying there is.

K when I shoot you will publicly apologize for this post and admit I'm vig, yes or yes?

dont shoot 2mil, hes one of the most obvious town since day start

this is scum whiteknighting. Lets kill it.

Sorry im able to read people, apparently i was white-knighting dunk all game too

-1 for looking for towncred.

[TwoInAMillion]

Dunk had his townplay all game until he scummed it up just at the end, not my fault

I think I should relook at your slot now.

Now you want to buddy after I bring it up.

[TwoInAMillion]

Dunk had his townplay all game until he scummed it up just at the end, not my fault

I think I should relook at your slot now.

Now you want to buddy after I bring it up.

This is the definition of confirmation bias @2mil

No it's the definition of scum trying to save their ass.

[TwoInAMillion]

Not the first time i will be srd for having too many correct reads

It's easy to have "correct reads" when you know who is town and scum.

[TwoInAMillion]

Not the first time i will be srd for having too many correct reads

It's easy to have "correct reads" when you know who is town and scum.

Its hard to understand that people can have correct read when you are unexperienced and have no reading skills

Apparently you have know idea of my record.

[TwoInAMillion]

Not the first time i will be srd for having too many correct reads

It's easy to have "correct reads" when you know who is town and scum.

Its hard to understand that people can have correct read when you are unexperienced and have no reading skills

Apparently you have know idea of my record.

I dont, you also dont understand that everyone wanted your ass at the start of the game for being super obnoxious about your extremely irrelevant push on cabd?

It's not irrelevant. Is he confirmed town? Has he mislead the town about his role? Is his self interested behavior anti-town? No. Yes and Yes.

[TwoInAMillion]

Not the first time i will be srd for having too many correct reads

It's easy to have "correct reads" when you know who is town and scum.

Its hard to understand that people can have correct read when you are unexperienced and have no reading skills

Apparently you have know idea of my record.

I dont, you also dont understand that everyone wanted your ass at the start of the game for being super obnoxious about your extremely irrelevant push on cabd?

It's not irrelevant. Is he confirmed town? Has he mislead the town about his role? Is his self interested behavior anti-town? No. Yes and Yes.

I disagree

Scum would.

[TwoInAMillion]

Nero

I don't recall you town reading Rhah before (I'll double check) but I really don't think there's enough there to read them either way. 2iam has made some questionable pushes that probably didn't garner the attention they should have. I don't know what contribution "shit player" has to interpreting the wagon as a counterwagon.

Joey

It was a stupid question. I should have followed my own advice

What pushes have you made that are so superior to mine?

[TwoInAMillion]

I don't recall you town reading Rhah before

Rhah is a claimed mason.....

-1

[TwoInAMillion]

I don't recall you town reading Rhah before

Rhah is a claimed mason.....

-1

You know who you should be voting if Rhah's claim isn't true right?

I never said it's not true, it's scummy to continuosly bring it up. I'm not saying it is true either.

[TwoInAMillion]

I don't recall you town reading Rhah before

Rhah is a claimed mason.....

-1

You know who you should be voting if Rhah's claim isn't true right?

I never said it's not true, it's scummy to continuosly bring it up. I'm not saying it is true either.

Cat is already out of the bag. Why hide it?

I wouldn't say it's "out of the bag". And the situation is not as simple as it appears, and I'm not going any further into it.

[TwoInAMillion]

Let's lynch alisae.

[TwoInAMillion]

VOTE: UCVoyager

[TwoInAMillion]

so either we get scum or unproductive town.

[TwoInAMillion]

Scum reads:
UCVoyager
Alisae
Joey

[TwoInAMillion]

Scum reads:
UCVoyager
Alisae
Joey

Why do you scumread me

Insufficient scumhunting, lack of activity, not wanting to take stances

[TwoInAMillion]

2inMil please stop

Okay.

VOTE: Beeboy

[TwoInAMillion]

Insufficient scumhunting, lack of activity, not wanting to take stances

You are accusing our most active poster of not of being active, not making stances and insufficient scumhunting.

There's a difference between quanity and quality. He is trying to be everyone's best friend.

[TwoInAMillion]

I think the flub and whiskers wagons are both bad wagons ftr.

[TwoInAMillion]

I mean he is still actively scum hunting and engaging with people? Like his entire read is based on objectively wrong info.
Let's say he has bad reads, bad reads and not trying to scum hunt are different.

I didn't say he wasn't trying. I said it was insufficient and he's trying to make friends more than find scum. Rings my scumdar.

[TwoInAMillion]

If 2inMil wants to vote me because I am saying his read is based on objectively incorrect information so be it.
Being lynched in this game as town is a reward anyway.

I'm voting you because your are discouraging pursuing a good wagon.

[TwoInAMillion]

Doesn't it make more sense to lynch the person you think is scum before you lynch the person who you think is that scums partner?

One scum is as good as another.

[TwoInAMillion]

Jesus 2mil is one hell of a ridiculous player

Sorry I hurt your feelings. But your interactions are as scummy as hell. You can call me names as much as you want. You are basically accusing me of not "going along with the flow" yet day 1 mislynches are more common than not. So what's wrong with actually having your own reads?

[TwoInAMillion]

that's like not even the point. And if Dunk "scumtold" he would have flipped scum. :/

Implying town cant be scummy, its the same thing. Town can sometimes scumtell, dunk literraly said the very same sentence he made when he was mafia claiming, thats kinda a legit scumtell for him no? Not anymore obviously but you get my point

Who is your top scumread?

[TwoInAMillion]

that's like not even the point. And if Dunk "scumtold" he would have flipped scum. :/

Implying town cant be scummy, its the same thing. Town can sometimes scumtell, dunk literraly said the very same sentence he made when he was mafia claiming, thats kinda a legit scumtell for him no? Not anymore obviously but you get my point

Who is your top scumread?

votecount 1-2.11

Whiskers (4) - Alisae, Flubbernugget, Quick, AxleGreaser

Flubbernugget

(4) - Nero Cain, beeboy, HolySpiritTurtle,

Joey_

UC Voyager (3) - Rhah, Nauci, gerryoat
Alisae (1) - Whiskers
beeboy (1) - TwoInAMillion

Not voting (4) - Shiro, I Am Innocent, Cabd, UC Voyager

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. Deadline is October 23, 15:00 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2017-10-23 15:00:00).

Nauci is V/LA until October 23.

This is a specific example of not wanting to make waves. You vote towards the end of the wagon and don't want to start new wagons. And I see you making very few wagon-level stances of your own. You make these little pushes that don't lead to anything.

[TwoInAMillion]

Was isoing you and I saw that flipped town dunk scum read you as well. Only confirms my suspicions.

[TwoInAMillion]

2mill never has a good point. :/

Every point I make is a good point. I just never get any credit.

[TwoInAMillion]

And the flubber wagon is terrible.

[TwoInAMillion]

Was isoing you and I saw that flipped town dunk scum read you as well. Only confirms my suspicions.

omfg i want to poke my eyes out

Did you even read when i completely destroyed your shit theory about me never starting wagon?

Did you even read when i made a lenghty post destroying dunk's trash read on me?

Do you even read?

Yep, I did read. Dunk is confirmed flipped town and he scumread you. Maybe it wasn't a trash read?

[TwoInAMillion]

Why is Flubb a bad wagon, 2 mil?

The people that are on it, for one.

Reasoning is poor, two.

Lots of scummier players, three.

[TwoInAMillion]

Was isoing you and I saw that flipped town dunk scum read you as well. Only confirms my suspicions.

omfg i want to poke my eyes out

Did you even read when i completely destroyed your shit theory about me never starting wagon?

Did you even read when i made a lenghty post destroying dunk's trash read on me?

Do you even read?

Yep, I did read. Dunk is confirmed flipped town and he scumread you. Maybe it wasn't a trash read?

What is the difference between a town fliped and a town not fliped in his ability to determines someones alignement? nothing. Flipping doesnt make you correct, do you know why he fosed me?

It doesn't make him not correct, and his town status gives him credibility. Enlighten me.

[TwoInAMillion]

Confirmed town don't have credibility?

This is how mafia works:
Flipped town - 100% town.
Flipped scum - 100% scum.
Anyone else - We don't know for sure.

Anyone who hasn't flipped has a possibility of an alterior motive. So yeah, I take stock in dunks reads.

[TwoInAMillion]

Spoiler:

you can just vig me if u want idrc

can you claim?

2mill, cabd and now probably rah are locktown for me

scummy imo

i'm vt if it isn't obvious

2mill, cabd and now probably rah are locktown for me

scummy imo

i'm vt if it isn't obvious

How is me asking you to claim scummy in any way, youve been asked like 3-4 times by the vig whos threatening to shoot you

ok joey's lockscum

ok joey's lockscum

tf i cant even

2mill, cabd and now probably rah are locktown for me

scummy imo

i'm vt if it isn't obvious

YO SHE MADE THIS SAME EXACT POST AS SCUM BEFORE.

viewtopic.php?p=9424964#p9424964

RIGHT HERE LOL. THIS IS SCUM 100000%

VOTE: dunk omgus

i would want him shot over lynched

shoot me, lynch beeboy and joey or don't listen to me
kthx

shoot me, lynch beeboy and joey or don't listen to me
kthx

Can you try to articulate your scumread on my 2 last post because i really dont get it

I'll just sheep gerry at this point. both wagons are good.

VOTE: dunk

so scummy i cant even

dude's an almost cleared mason

oh right i forgot
my bad

now dunk is just trying to not give away his partners

this, his last 10 interactions feels rushed and bs

joey/beeboy/holyspirit/turtle/someone else
now shoot me already

joey/beeboy/holyspirit/turtle/someone else
now shoot me already

If you want anyone to hear you, you should try to make at least somewhat of a case because listing names while asking to be shot wont do a thing

This is basically everything from me townreading dunker to voting him and dunker scumreading me from 0 to 100 in 2 posts. Basically hi reasons were atrocious, unexplained and he called me lock scum for asking him to claim while being asked to hardclaim numerous time

@2mill dunker fosed me for asking him to claim, thats it

Sounds as good a reason as any day 1. And he was right for being suspicious of you.

[TwoInAMillion]

I like how 2inMil is voting me and is hard pressuring Joey_ lol

Yep, I want people to make sure people know I see you as scum buddies, and either of you would be better than the current major wagons.

[TwoInAMillion]

that's like not even the point. And if Dunk "scumtold" he would have flipped scum. :/

Implying town cant be scummy, its the same thing. Town can sometimes scumtell, dunk literraly said the very same sentence he made when he was mafia claiming, thats kinda a legit scumtell for him no? Not anymore obviously but you get my point

Who is your top scumread?

votecount 1-2.11

Whiskers (4) - Alisae, Flubbernugget, Quick, AxleGreaser

Flubbernugget

(4) - Nero Cain, beeboy, HolySpiritTurtle,

Joey_

UC Voyager (3) - Rhah, Nauci, gerryoat
Alisae (1) - Whiskers
beeboy (1) - TwoInAMillion

Not voting (4) - Shiro, I Am Innocent, Cabd, UC Voyager

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. Deadline is October 23, 15:00 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2017-10-23 15:00:00).

Nauci is V/LA until October 23.

This is a specific example of not wanting to make waves. You vote towards the end of the wagon and don't want to start new wagons. And I see you making very few wagon-level stances of your own. You make these little pushes that don't lead to anything.

You might have a point here actually. It could just be playstyle that Joey doesn't push their own reads and instead wagon hops. IDK, don't have much experience with Joey tho.

This post is extremely fucking scummy from your pov. Not only i didnt vote hop (you mightve forgot) but you were pretty aware that i hard pushed my own reads for days. You even said yourself, i tunneled you. That post comes off as sucking 2mil's dick while shading me, you should be CERTAIN that im the the kind of palyer who pursue his own's read

Joey is calling anyone who questions him scummy/rediculous rather than doing his own scum hunting. Very poor reaction to my push on him.

[TwoInAMillion]

Idk I feel like Joey is town and that's how I am reading both his scum hunting and his frustration.

Do you think asking dunk to claim was a town play?

[TwoInAMillion]

Idk I feel like Joey is town and that's how I am reading both his scum hunting and his frustration.

Do you think asking dunk to claim was a town play?

Cabd asked him to claim 3- 4 times before me. Why do you think its even scummy ?

Cabd was clerly on tilt. You had no reason to be or to assume Cabd was town.

[TwoInAMillion]

Idk I feel like Joey is town and that's how I am reading both his scum hunting and his frustration.

Do you think asking dunk to claim was a town play?

It made sense in context of him being vigged.

But in hindsight don't you think him not wanting to claim was a town stance?

[TwoInAMillion]

Idk I feel like Joey is town and that's how I am reading both his scum hunting and his frustration.

Do you think asking dunk to claim was a town play?

Cabd asked him to claim 3- 4 times before me. Why do you think its even scummy ?

Cabd was clerly on tilt. You had no reason to be or to assume Cabd was town.

Yes but even if you were correct (and you arent) why am i scummy for asking him to claim when he was threatened to be vigd? Why isnt cabd scummy for asking his target to claim ? (lolz)

PEDIT : Idk, what i knew was that dunk is a new player who probably makes tons of misplays, i didnt want him to get viged because of his refusal to claim and then subsequently flip pr. I also know for a fact that scum likes to slowroll and/or refuse to claim outright. Drunk just evaded the questions etc it was kinda scummy and not i dont think it was towny of him to not claim there

Asking someone to claim before they want to or need to is scummy especially if they flip town. If I was him I would have refused to claim also. Does that make me scummy?

[TwoInAMillion]

Joey can't make a real case so he just insults people.

[TwoInAMillion]

There was no reason to think that camd was actually going to shoot dunk and I don't blame dunk for not claiming in that instance.

[TwoInAMillion]

Cadb hardclaimed that he could make a lynch happen mid day, if cabd couldnt comply to his hardclaim then he would be lynched on the spot. Drunk was a VT, he had hardly anything to lose and not claiming when someone is hardclaiming day vig is yes, terrible

Except several were questioning cabd's claim despite the "hardclaim" basded on cabd's history and unwillingness to fullclaim.

[TwoInAMillion]

Those person were being stupid and not credible just like you 2mil

Your tendancy to insult people makes you far less credible.

[TwoInAMillion]

2inMil what are your thoughts on Quick not voting me?

Not sure yet. Want to see where that one goes. Could be suspicous for not voting you or town for questioning you.

[TwoInAMillion]

Those person were being stupid and not credible just like you 2mil

Your tendancy to insult people makes you far less credible.

Its the truth, you cabd push was sincerely misplaced, irrelevant etc because the cabd issue was going to resolve itself

It's troublesome that you took cabd at face value.

[TwoInAMillion]

There are at least two scum on the whiskers wagon.

[TwoInAMillion]

If no one else can agree on Joey or Beeboy I would compromise on alisae.

[TwoInAMillion]

If no one else can agree on Joey or Beeboy I would compromise on alisae.

"If no one else can agree on the most obvious town and the 2nd most obvious town i would compromise on the third most obvious town."

I don't think there are any obvious town in day 1 aside from dunk. That is something scum would say.

[TwoInAMillion]

If no one else can agree on Joey or Beeboy I would compromise on alisae.

"If no one else can agree on the most obvious town and the 2nd most obvious town i would compromise on the third most obvious town."

I don't think there are any obvious town in day 1 aside from dunk. That is something scum would say.

Lol Cabd is obvTown. Like obvTowns are just a thing and I already have several barring earth shattering events.

His behavior is not obvtown. If he is "obvtown" it is only because of his roleclaim. And there are scum/3p versions of his role.

[TwoInAMillion]

If no one else can agree on Joey or Beeboy I would compromise on alisae.

"If no one else can agree on the most obvious town and the 2nd most obvious town i would compromise on the third most obvious town."

I don't think there are any obvious town in day 1 aside from dunk. That is something scum would say.

"I dont think i have a clue about what im doing."

I know you are but what am I.

[TwoInAMillion]

Who is mathblades sister?

[TwoInAMillion]

Nero do you think Joey is scum?

[TwoInAMillion]

I think it's highly likely that scum are trying to force a wagon on one of the leading wagons due to only having a few days left and forcing a mislynch. If we are going to choose another wagon we need to choose who soon.

[TwoInAMillion]

I would lynch ucv

[TwoInAMillion]

UCV is most certainly better than the current wagons. Let's do it.

VOTE: UCVoyager

[TwoInAMillion]

This sounds like a policy lynch which is almost for sure going to end up a mislynch

[TwoInAMillion]

In the meantime do you think we lose anything by extending the Day phase to it's full length? Both so Shiro/IaI can catchup, and so we can do things like interrogate UC Voyager or whomever?

You will prolly get nothing out of UCV, which tells me he's prolly Town.

You think not scumhunting is pro town?

[TwoInAMillion]

who cares just vote quick

^scummy

[TwoInAMillion]

Anyone who Joey calls a annoying or stupid or something like that gets a town read in my book.

[TwoInAMillion]

who cares just vote quick

^scummy

my role says otherwise

So you're claiming a town only role?

[TwoInAMillion]

Thank you Joey actually had something nice to say:P.

[TwoInAMillion]

Thank you Joey actually had something nice to say:P.

Its fine you will learn

What exactly will I learn?

[TwoInAMillion]

Thank you Joey actually had something nice to say:P.

Its fine you will learn

What exactly will I learn?

To play correctly

Can you like ehhh vote with your mason buddy? Thxxx xoxox

I never claimed mason.

I don't hear anyone calling you the god of mafia.

[TwoInAMillion]

Thank you Joey actually had something nice to say:P.

Its fine you will learn

What exactly will I learn?

To play correctly

Can you like ehhh vote with your mason buddy? Thxxx xoxox

I never claimed mason.

I don't hear anyone calling you the god of mafia.

Well maybe im not the god of mafia, but im definetely more experienced than you so sheep

If I sheeped everyone that was "more experienced" then I could just as easily be helping mafia win as town.

[TwoInAMillion]

Thank you Joey actually had something nice to say:P.

Its fine you will learn

What exactly will I learn?

To play correctly

Can you like ehhh vote with your mason buddy? Thxxx xoxox

I never claimed mason.

I don't hear anyone calling you the god of mafia.

Well maybe im not the god of mafia, but im definetely more experienced than you so sheep

If I sheeped everyone that was "more experienced" then I could just as easily be helping mafia win as town.

Rha’s your buddy, sheep him

Nice backpedaling.

[TwoInAMillion]

It's easy to call people useless when there is no hard information.

Wait until the mislynch goes through and we are down one more town and then tell me how useless I am.

[TwoInAMillion]

UCV! UCV! UCV!

[TwoInAMillion]

Even if it doesn't happen at least we know who to look at when Quick flips town.

[TwoInAMillion]

My scumdar on Quick went up a bit, but I still think he's probably town.

[TwoInAMillion]

then let's lynch ucv. I'll townread you then joey.

[TwoInAMillion]

A ucv wagon>quick wagon therefore anyone moving to the ucv wagon has towncred in my book, especially when ucv flips red.

[TwoInAMillion]

How that?

[TwoInAMillion]

I'm not willing to lynch probtown, better to no lynch in my book.

But I've played in games where there have been last minute lynches, I wouldn't say today's outcome is already determined.

[TwoInAMillion]

I'm sure you will, which is another reason I am scumreading you. There are lots of things that could stop the same wagon from forming tomorrow. Night actions, people changing their minds, etc.

[TwoInAMillion]

You're not very convincing.

[TwoInAMillion]

I'm not confirmed town, one. Rhah is not confirmed town, two. Three, I don't need your approval.

Four, like I said, there's still time for another wagon. Five, if there is a nl a quick wagon isn't a sure thing tomorrow.

[TwoInAMillion]

^scummy vote.

[TwoInAMillion]

Joey is distancing himself from his vote already.

[TwoInAMillion]

Complacent town.

[TwoInAMillion]

we know there is scum on quicks wagon though.

[TwoInAMillion]

we know there is scum on quicks wagon though.

DUHHHHHH youre so goddam frustrating

Do you have a wiki page or can you link me to one of your scum games?

[TwoInAMillion]

Why should I have to do the work:P.

This is why I have a wiki.

[TwoInAMillion]

You should stop trying to meta at all, especially the one to check the alignment-related behaviors, if you think you can get enough data from 1~2 games.

You don't think there's enough of a sample size?

[TwoInAMillion]

You should stop trying to meta at all, especially the one to check the alignment-related behaviors, if you think you can get enough data from 1~2 games.

You don't think there's enough of a sample size?

Hell no
Especially scumgames

Do you think Joey is capable of hyperposting as scum?

[TwoInAMillion]

I generally have a problem with people who prefer their Scum game over their Town game.

You have a problem with like half of all mafia players lol.

Do you have any numbers to back this up or are you just pulling something out of your ass?

Can you give us a quick read list before the thread shuts?

[TwoInAMillion]

Amount of posts are not tied to alignment.
It's more tied to motivation and playstyle.

So your answer is yes?

[TwoInAMillion]

You should stop trying to meta at all, especially the one to check the alignment-related behaviors, if you think you can get enough data from 1~2 games.

You don't think there's enough of a sample size?

Hell no
Especially scumgames

Do you think Joey is capable of hyperposting as scum?

.
i hyper post basically every game

What's your motivation for hyperposting? Are you bored and have no life(like me). Do you want to be seen as an active player? Do you get more player info this way?

[TwoInAMillion]

I have no issue with Nero but I don't think I've played with him as scum.

[TwoInAMillion]

I was right on quick and I'm staying where I was. No reason to change good reads.
VOTE: UCVoyager

Joey is also supper scummy.

[TwoInAMillion]

Flubber and Whiskers are both probably town.

[TwoInAMillion]

I was right on quick and I'm staying where I was. No reason to change good reads.
VOTE: UCVoyager

Joey is also supper scummy.

*Cough*

This is no time for a physical.

[TwoInAMillion]

I've already done that.

[TwoInAMillion]

Nothing changed my mind. I thought Quick was town before and he was town. There are scum on his wagon. There are scum on Whiskers and Flubbers wagons. Town is making it easy for scum to hide by pushing bad wagons.

[TwoInAMillion]

Nothing changed my mind. I thought Quick was town before and he was town. There are scum on his wagon. There are scum on Whiskers and Flubbers wagons. Town is making it easy for scum to hide by pushing bad wagons.

Why do you think both are town? You dont think the flub’s lynch resistance from yday was odd?

Be more specific. I think both are town because of the lack of reasoning on both lynches, the scumminess of people on their wagons, that they came up day 1 when there are many mislynches and the lack of consensus on lynches as if scum is trying to split up the town.

[TwoInAMillion]

Oh my bad.

Lucky is his replacement, no?

[TwoInAMillion]

Of course it's weak. There is barely any hard info at this point. But my "weak" analysis is better than all the people on quick's wagon who voted off town, and cabd, who shot towndunk. Nothing in your analysis convinces me that whiskers and flub are scum.

[TwoInAMillion]

Of course it's weak. There is barely any hard info at this point. But my "weak" analysis is better than all the people on quick's wagon who voted off town, and cabd, who shot towndunk. Nothing in your analysis convinces me that whiskers and flub are scum.

Games arent decided by hard infos most of the time, you need more than one scumread

This is far from true. Most games are decided on hard information.

[TwoInAMillion]

Of course it's weak. There is barely any hard info at this point. But my "weak" analysis is better than all the people on quick's wagon who voted off town, and cabd, who shot towndunk. Nothing in your analysis convinces me that whiskers and flub are scum.

Games arent decided by hard infos most of the time, you need more than one scumread

This is far from true. Most games are decided on hard information.

Hm you played 4 games, i played thousands on em and at least 25 here so ill dismiss your opinion

Appeal to authority. Why not ask other people instead of just deciding yourself? This is something that scum would say to dismiss good night actions.

[TwoInAMillion]

Lucky is the correct wagon.