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I claim universe. I'm scum.

VOTE: Mislynch

I need this to win.

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Your setup spec is useless fluff but not AI fluff. I played with Gamma once before and this is something he would do as any alignment. Not a bad D1 PL though.

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Majority doesn't end the day in plurality. Instead whoever has the most votes at the deadline is lynched, and whoever got there first is lynched if there's a tie.

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PL on gamma doesn't sound too bad actually.

VOTE: Gamma

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Today's lynch should either be Gamma or one of the early Gamma pushers. Gamma hasn't posted anything AI but if he's town at least one of the people pushing him should be scum.

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If Sling was scum he would probably do a better job pushing Gamma.

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Today's lynch should either be Gamma or one of the early Gamma pushers. Gamma hasn't posted anything AI but if he's town at least one of the people pushing him should be scum.

Are you admitting that you're scum?

Yes

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VOTE: waffles

I don't know if that was a joke or not but defensiveness is not a scum tell this early (or at all)

It wasn't defensiveness though, it was jumpiness.

I feel like you just intentionally dodged my attack

Howso?

If Sling was scum he would probably do a better job pushing Gamma.

Why would I be pushing him?

You are pushing him. I'm saying that this doesn't look like a scum push.

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Breaking down wagons helps us more in the long game.

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BREAK THIS DOWN BOI

VOTE: RHAZHBASH

I'm sorry is this vote supposed to be serious?

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Yeah that part about lynching early Gamma pushers doesn't sound as good as it did when I thought of it.

I stand by a solid nullread on Gamma and a willingness to PL him.

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Mulch looks townish.

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I also don't like how policy lynching Gamma is the answer to find scum. This makes me think you're scum trying to lynch someone you know as town.

Would you rather keep him alive in LyLo?

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I've never been a PL
And I think Rhazh is referring to Mini 1830 there
I'm not a hopeless case in LyLo, I've been right a few times, at least partially
I didn't even know it was LyLo that game

Right now everyone is either scumreading you or nullreading you. I don't think anything in particular you've posted is AI but plenty of other people do, and if you're Town you'd be super easy to mislynch in LyLo.

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The other team post and Priscilla's response calling it a multiball slip don't look AI to me. Looks more like Priscilla overanalyzing. Not liking how hard Tywin reached to accuse Pris though. I could see Tywin deflecting an accusation onto his accuser as scum even if the basis for the accusation was questionable.

/vote Tywin

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I play off site a lot and always forget how to vote here.

VOTE: Tywin

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Even without the claim the way Tywin presented it is 100% Town who's pissed off about being scumread. His claim was premature since there's no way we're going to hammer him now and the lynch isn't anywhere near decided, but he's out of the pool for today.

VOTE: Dunnstral

Gutread.

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Drum it was a guess based on how Tywin's played so far. I was thinking that Town wouldn't care about an accusation like that but would want to stop it from gaining momentum as scum regardless of the basis for the accusation.

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I'm about to do a long string of catchup posts starting from 400. I've been too busy at work to post the past few days but I have time to post until Friday evening.

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I'll start by saying that I'm ignoring any post by Tywin. I doubt he's gonna analyze any further than OMGUS accusations.

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Still not done with the thread but having an ISO without much contribution is more of a weak player tell than a scumtell.

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Fykus looks more like a weak link for scum to target than actual scum. 623 is a post from Fykus that shows he's just a weak player. I haven't seen him make any scum motivated actions, mainly because he doesn't look like he knows what actions to make at all. Nullread, not in agreement with the current SRs on him.

Caught up to that post.

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Liking Peregrine so far.

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VOTE: Moz

Take a shot whenever they call someone pos scum and finish your drink if I get called pos scum for this post.

I seriously doubt Moz as town would be making so many weak scumreads, and he would rather go for one or two solid reads. Having more weak reads seems like what scum would want so they know who they can push later.

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Fykus looks more like a weak link for scum to target than actual scum. 623 is a post from Fykus that shows he's just a weak player. I haven't seen him make any scum motivated actions, mainly because he doesn't look like he knows what actions to make at all. Nullread, not in agreement with the current SRs on him.

Caught up to that post.

Thanks i guess. But youre right. Large normals are new to me so im a bit standoffish atm.

Also VOTE: moz

Basically he only posted content after tywin called him out

This vote is enough for me to start scumreading you if moz flips town.

More pre flip associatives, Rhazh must know the alignments of these players before they flip. /sarcasm

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That is extraodianrily scummy Rhazh. You know better than to do pre flip analysis, and if moz flips town you just gave yourself an excuse for voting him while seimeoustaneously shading another person.

Combined with my earlier gutread scum on you,

VOTE: Rhazh

What scum in their right mind would make that post after what I went through earlier? It's a vote I didn't like but not something I could be sure on until later, and you aren't giving any argument as to why I'm not town considering multiple possibilities for if moz is lynched.

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Zach town hunting is a viable strategy if you're good at it.

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Townreading Zach after his last few posts.

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@Drum WIFOM doesn't make a bad play good.

Catching up starting from Drum's SR on me.

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Drum by the way I'm looking at Creature's last VC. Your wagon looks really clean.

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Neither did your slot. Mulch is probably Town.

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Neither did your slot. Mulch is probably Town.

can you tell me why?

Meta related reasons. Can't say any more right now.

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Pretty sure that vote is just a meme.

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What's the VC at
because if Rhazh has a considerable wagon I'm voting him

If you want me lynched what's stopping you from starting the wagon yourself?

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Why does it matter how many people are voting me considering all the scumreads on me? If you want me lynched then vote me.

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Sorry Gamma but there's still 5 days left.

I haven't given a solid read on Gamma yet because most of his posts struck me as indicative of a weak player and not alignment indicative, but that post about voting me changed that. Why would town care about how many people agree with them before they push a lynch? It looks more like scum trying to gauge interest in a potential mislynch. It's a pretty bad play for scum, but Gamma has already shown himself as a bad player in this game and his other games. I wanted to PL him at first because it looked like he would make skill indicative posts instead of AI posts and I didn't want scum to take advantage of that and Town wouldn't lose much if Gamma were to flip Town. After that post about if he would vote me or not it isn't just a PL anymore.

My SR on moz still stands, and even though I haven't developed a read on Drum yet I don't mind lynching someone with a wagon that looks like it's entirely Town driven. Any of these three are lynch targets I support for today. I'm keeping my vote on moz for now though because moz would be a worse player for scum to lose than Gamma.

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viewtopic.php?f=53&t=68345
I replaced D1 because I was busy but that doesn't mean I didn't read your early posts.

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@Sling ad hom would be saying Gamma is scum because he's a bad player or something like that. Taking account of the skill level of the player you push isn't ad hom. The base of the read is how he approached voting me.

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Gut Townread on Frogger.

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Sling answer Frogger's question.

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Sling answer Frogger's question.

Why doesn't Frogger answer Sling's first?

Frogger isn't the one dodging Sling's question, Sling is dodging Frogger's question.

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Sling answer Frogger's question.

this is scum

Boon and rhazh confirmed scum

Looks like I misinterpreted what you were doing. I was assuming you were seeing a potential Boon+Sling scumteam and wanted to force Sling to lock in his read. If you're scumreading me for helping out with that I was wrong.

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It definitely looked like you were trying to force Sling to give a read on Boon. The reason I wanted to keep it going is because I didn't like how sling was dodging giving his read on Boon. Dodging giving your opinion is way scummier than giving an opinion without backing it up IMO.

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Fair enough.

@Sling I missed it. Can you link me the post?

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Unfortunately I can't because of ongoing game reasons.

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@Sling Alright I won't look too much into Frogger's question on you, but Frogger just replaced in so he may not have caught that post either. Forcing reads out of people is a perfectly viable play for Town.

@Mulch I've been scumread throughout the day. When I'm high up on the lynch list buddying is something I'd wanna do as any alignment. You're acting like not wanting to be lynched is a scumtell.

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When I'm high up on the lynch list buddying is something I'd wanna do as any alignment

do you have meta for this?

Surely you've been lynched as town or as scum at least once?

Let me do some digging. Usually I'm either nightkilled, I survive until endgame, or I'm the last Mafia member lynched. These games are all off site too so let me see if I can find one where I was lynched early on.

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@Frogger here's a scum game but I was pretty inactive in it. http://blankmediagames.com/phpbb/viewto ... 17&t=57206

I'll keep digging for more. You have to be logged into the site to view it btw.

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@Frogger this is the only other game I could find where I was lynched before endgame. I was being scumread and I self hammered when I realized the setup was broken and Town was guaranteed to win.

http://blankmediagames.com/phpbb/viewto ... 17&t=42192

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We're referring to an off site ongoing game. I don't play on this site too often.

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@Drum the meta was coming from an ongoing game that ended after I made that post. Mulch is a newer player that's still in the tunnel aggression stage of playing FM. I see a lot of what I saw in the no longer ongoing game where he was Town in here.

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Drum that was my old reasoning for lynching Gamma. I was open to a PL on him because he looked like he would be difficult to read and we wouldn't be losing much if he were Town. My reason for actually thinking Gamma is scum was because of #1004. I don't see why majority or plurality makes any difference to it. If Town wanted me lynched they wouldn't ask everyone else's permission to do it. That sounds like a way to dodge being scumread for their vote.

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My long string of days off is over for now. Expect less activity from me until next week.

@Creature V/LA until monday

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I'm on for the next hour or two before I go to sleep and I'll catch up. My work schedule is starting to settle down so I should only be inactive on weekends now. I'll be back to full activity by the deadline.

For now AMA while I make catch up posts if anyone is still awake.

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Frogger v Tywin is probably the most cancerous thing I've ever read but Frogger is probably Town based off it. Attacking the PR claim for no alignment related reason, epically the way he did it does nothing for scum other than draw a bunch of attention to him. It's not a move scum would make this early. Tywin is basically confirmed Town. If he's somehow scum faking it then it won't be hard to confirm it later on in the game.

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The vote from mush on WhyMafia isn't AI. I was thinking it might be scum indicative for a second because it looked like he was trying to disguise a policy vote as a serious one, but I can't see any scum motivation for that and I don't think WhyMafia is in any position to be lynched today so a push on him from scum is pointless. Haven't had a good look at the rest of his posts but that specific thing people are SRing him over isn't a good thing to base a read on.

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Rhazh is a SR as well and CptPicard

@Drum CptPicard and Rhazh are some of my other scumreads, I don't believe that Rhazh is lynchbait player but he's a scum lean not a full SR atm

@Zach what changed your mind?

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who are you scum reading, rhaz?

I've already stated SRs on Gamma and moz, and Zach is getting on my scum radar. Reasoning coming after he answers my question. Can't say what I'm looking for in his answer because scum would be able to play around it if I did.

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@Mods can we get a VC?

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And I'm going to sleep now. I'll be back on monday.

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I'm out sick from work so the V/LA is ending early.

The reason I wanted to know why Zach changed his stance on me was because he had me down as a strong SR when my wagon was starting and I was in a really bad spot, but it looked like he was lowering the intensity because of Pris and Tywin defending me. Tywin is most likely Town and if Pris is Town she'll probably be able to turn the wagon away from me. I'm not one to use refusal to answer questions as the base for a SR, but considering I already said his answer would help me develop my read on him when he refused to answer it looks really bad for him.

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In case the post above doesn't make it obvious I'm SRing Zach now but I still want moz lynched.

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Has ANYONE read my towncase on mozamis

Your towncase on moz is shit. You're picking out a bunch of NAI things on moz and using them to call him town.

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VOTE: Moz

Take a shot whenever they call someone pos scum and finish your drink if I get called pos scum for this post.

I seriously doubt Moz as town would be making so many weak scumreads, and he would rather go for one or two solid reads. Having more weak reads seems like what scum would want so they know who they can push later.

I think it's more playstyle, just noting scummy things. Doesn't mean they SR them. People can townread players who make posts they see as scummy.

I'll start with this. Saying the pos scum accusations are part of his playstyle doesn't mean Town, it means NAI.

As for why I say hell no to lynching mozamis, I think he is town since his thoughts seem to be coming from a town POV, and I can see where he comes from
That's prob the case for most of my TRs here

This is one of the most empty defenses I've ever seen.

Responses to the big post are bolded.

I'd like to open with a bit of theory discussion.

one scum down.

vote gamma

This is actually an okay vote. Compared to the other ones I'd seen this one shows clear principle (lynch setup speccers as they are likely scum)

Not every single vote scum makes is going to look scummy. Saying moz is Town because of a single good vote is a good way to let scum coast to freelo.

yeah early 180 from me. I'm much prefering Gamma, who is questioning, explaining himself and seems quite open, to most of the people on his wagon, who don't seem any of those things.

BUt then his read evolves, and it isn't a "easy wagon" read, which I feel is towny for some reason

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Just annoys me

Nope, this isnt good enough, particularly from Dunn, who is a good player.
Pos.s cum.

While the read isn't that good I can see where he comes from. Dunnstral has enough experience with me to be able to sort me imo. This level of vote is rater poor.

This obviously isn't a serious vote. It's more of an insult and shouldn't be taken as an indication of alignment.

Priscila I cannot read your posts they're just too big

Relatable, it's a pain to go through it.

Completely agree, but a give away town tell. Scum dont want to stick out like Priscilla is doing, they want to blend in.

Affirms the points discussed while being constructive.

With a post as generic as this?

I'm struggling on Waffles. He made that one self conscious post about being scummy. But apart from that I'm not really getting the waffle shate. Anyone got a decent case on him?

Feel scum would take a position rather than asking here.

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Wtf just happened to my BBcode?

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I'm gonna say this. I think Pris is Town but the read is being made with caution. If Pris is scum we probably won't catch her early. She's already established that she doesn't want me lynched and Zach's change in read intensity on me came around the time her and a few other people were getting the pressure off me.

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@Tywin I don't know what you're smoking to think moz is Town but then again I don't know what you're smoking to claim 3 days into D1. As much as I wanna lynch Zach right now I'm in a position where I can't move my vote anywhere other than moz.

@Titus please tell me you don't actually think you found 3 scum D1. Your reads on Pris and Why are shit.

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@Tywin I don't know what you're smoking to think moz is Town but then again I don't know what you're smoking to claim 3 days into D1.

@Titus please tell me you don't actually think you found 3 scum D1. Your reads on Pris and Why are shit.

As much as I wanna lynch Zach right now I'm in a position where I can't move my vote anywhere other than moz.

Formatting this post better.

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@Titus please tell me you don't actually think you found 3 scum D1. Your reads on Pris and Why are shit.

So, my read on you is fine then. *laughs* *lynches harder*

I do.

I don't give a flying fuck about your read on me because there's zero chance of me being lynched today.

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Do you associate moz and I?

My reads on the two of you are completely independent of each other.

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Yeah looks like I'm gonna have to be a little bitch and claim.

I'm a Vigilante. @Frogger the reason those two posts contradict is because there's no chance of me being lynched as a PR but it's way better if I don't have to claim.

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Part of me wants to lynch Titus but the other part thinks too much of my reasoning is OMGUS related.

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I saw that argument as more of a retard tell than a scum tell.

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I saw that argument as more of a retard tell than a scum tell.

Tell me - what could town-Picard be thinking in that moment? Oh, our cop has claimed, but I think he broke the rules, therefore I will try to make my wincon harder by getting him modkilled! No. He would shut up and not saying anything. But he did not even push that as if he had a sense of fairness. He pushed it as if he wanted to punish Tywin. It was malicious.

Looked more like curiosity. Even if the post looks dumb I doubt anyone would be dumb enough to think that would actually work.

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@Titus do you still want me lynched after my claim? Your vote is still on me.

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VOTE: Titus

I can fall back on vigging Pris if you flip Town. I think one of you two should be scum.

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Brb bashing my head against a wall.

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/vote moz

I swear if moz claims a PR I'm gonna throw my computer out a window.

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VOTE: moz

Different voting formats on different sites is annoying when you switch between the two.

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VOTE: moz

Different voting formats on different sites is annoying when you switch between the two.

I hate both wagons.

Can we do Priscilla?

I'm going back to my stance of I probably won't be able to read her until later on so no.

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The counterclaim is best solved by mexican standoff IMO.

@Boon wait what and you call me SK?

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To the argument on me being SK. I claim 2 Shot Vig. First of all, I'm probably gonna be nightkilled after my claim so lynching me is pointless. Second of all, there's going to be one less kill starting D4. A Serial Killer can't win if they stop killing that early in a game this big. Plus if I'm an SK the only reasonable way for me to not be lynched is to make pro Town kills. Lynching me is a horrible play.

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To the argument on me being SK. I claim 2 Shot Vig. First of all, I'm probably gonna be nightkilled after my claim so lynching me is pointless. Second of all, there's going to be one less kill starting D4 if I'm not. A Serial Killer can't win if they stop killing that early in a game this big. Plus if I'm an SK the only reasonable way for me to not be lynched is to make pro Town kills. Lynching me is a horrible play.

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VOTE: mush

No better place to put my vote.

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Wth is with mush wagon?

Honestly I agree with him and Priscilla on the claim but I also don't know how indicative boonskies being weird is

We don't really have time to find out what boons role is

Why didn't he just shoot Rhazh? I dunno.
He says "my role can kill" but the word vigilante is never mentioned.

But an even better question is


Why tf are we not lynching in the ccs?

First of all, I'm probably gonna be nightkilled after my claim so lynching me is pointless.

Ewwwwww...

VOTE: Rhazh

If you still think you can mislynch me then have fun leaving the vig alive.

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I said I would 1v1 boon before I realized he claimed nk immune. No chance I'm gonna shoot a bp claim.

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I said I would 1v1 boon before I realized he claimed nk immune. No chance I'm gonna shoot a bp claim.

He claimed nk immune " " it's basically a mystery role

He didn't even really claim for... what reason? All he's said is that it kills. You should be the most skeptical since he called into question the integrity of your claim.

Odd rxn imo

I am skeptical but shooting someone claiming it won't kill him is dumb. If Boon is scum he wouldn't make the cc if I could just kill him.