Mafia 74: Minimally Flavoured - Game over!

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The Cow has arrived and will be reading through the game and hopefully posting something soon.

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All right then. I have completed my reread and a couple of things jump out at me.
1: egruntz: I'm leaning towards townie at this point. No lynches are a terrible decision, but I think he seriously thinks it's best for the town, even though that may be wrong. He says it's his playstyle, and at this point I believe him. I'll be watching him closely because a playstyle like that throws up a red flag with me even if the rest of his posts look pro-town.

2: DS: This is the entirety of his posting

VOTE: OGML

Bandwagon to victory.

UNVOTE

VOTE: SNAPS THE PIRATE

Bandwagon to victory.

UNVOTE

VOTE: THE FONZ

More bandwagoning. Reasons to be given after Christmas.

I did a quick reread, and I'm not happy with how Bookitty jumped on egruntz for mentioning the term "No Lynch". egruntz wasn't really pushing for one, he just mentioned it. It seems like the sort of thing scum would do on day one: push for a mislynch on someone for nothing at all, really. So therefore,

UNVOTE

VOTE: BOOKITTY

Thank you, Elias. We need to keep these idiots in line.

Ladies and gentlemen, allow me to present Exhibit A: numbskull at work.

LOLOLOLOL BURNT

These lesser individuals are quite fond of the word "lol" and have a habit of chaining them one after the other, in capital letters. Excessive use of "lol" is a clear sign of inferior mental capabilities. We really can't do much other than pity the fools.

@Bookitty: I was just bandwagoning. I thought there was something against The Fonz, but after a reread, there wasn't anything.

Mills has an easy task. All he has to do is stop being a first-class idiot and we will get along fine.

Bandwagoning, Bandwagoning, Bandwagoning, Bandwagoning by another name, calling Mills an idiot, calling Mills an idiot, defending the fact that all he did was bandwagoning while calling Mills an idiot.

This is unacceptable no matter who you are. You definitely have to take part in this, and shameless bandwagoning and calling someone an idiot as all you do just should not happen. That is how scum play.

vote: Disciple Slayer

Patch15: Where is that taking part in this game that you promised us 3 days ago?

Momentarily I will have my short summary of everyone else in the game.
Just my basic thoughts on them after my re-read.

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Bookitty: Seem pretty pro-town. Jumped on egruntz, but it had good reasoning behind it. Argues with the Fonz a bit. Nothing scummy that I can see yet.

CKD: Post 1: a bunch of agreeing with others. After that, discussing the mis-tag, saying not to reference ongoing games, then a bunch of "Oh, my gut helps find scum." Maybe, but that doesn't help us. I'm leaning scum, but not my top suspect at all.

Dark Ermac: Joking, then saying that it's going to be a townie lynch on day 1 anyway so why not random vote (?!) I don't like that at all. After that, says that it's good to get rid of suspicious people. I agree, but that was not what you said the first time. The first quote was about random voting not being bad, then Mills says that DE is completely happy with a random lynch. He didn't say that at all. Weren't Fonz and Boo talking about straw-men earlier? Why didn't anyone else catch that?

liam: started talking about Mills being a Lyncher. There was no reason to bring that up. I think he's just trying to sow chaos.

FoS: liam

Besides that, there isn't anything in any of his posts that jump out to me as helping the town.

mills: Seems pro-town to me, but I don't like his comment about DE wanting a random lynch. straw-man logical fallacy. Besides that, I've liked what he had to say.

OGML: still neutral to me. I've liked some stuff, not liked some others.

panzer: same as OGML

Phate: seems to be lurking in plain sight. One liners and then jumps on OGML for jumping on Xyl. He's on my scum list too.

Sangy: lurking as well.

SensFan:

I'm LA from Christmas to New Year's, just an fyi.

That is his entire contribution this game

elias: prod Sens plz

-k, im on it.

Snaps: First post is FoSing people for not random voting, but after that I've quite liked his contributions.

Fonz: From what I could tell, he lost the argument with Bookitty. Some good, and some bad after that.

dragonsprincess: Also lurking. She hasn't posted since December 28th.

Prod here too please

- requested replacement because people were picking on her ( )

Xyl: focusing WAY too much on egruntz. That may be good sometimes, because sometimes it's necessary, but I haven't seen the need here. Besides that, I haven't really liked the rest of his posts either.


So, that's the basics. If you want me to go more in-depth, I can, but I wanted to make sure that I got my thoughts on everyone out there before going too in-depth on any one person.

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Fonz:
I did. Disciple Slayer. He hasn't done anything this game except bandwagon and insult Mills. Don't tell me that that's good play, because it isn't. Please don't insult me by misrepresenting my play.


Mills: We have discussed random voting already. Random voting can get you reactions and help you find things to place less random votes about. You straw-manned because you stated that DE was suggesting we random lynch, but he never actually said that. I didn't jump on it because it seems like a simple mistake, and I just wanted to point it out.

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Because there was a discussion with egruntz and others who didn't random vote because either they didn't want to, or, in egruntz's case, he didn't want to random vote or lynch day 1. From what I could gather, his statement was to egruntz saying that random voting is better than not voting.
He never said anything about random lynching. Random votes eventually lead to a lynch, sometimes a townie lynch, and that is what I gathered from DE's statement.
Apparently we each gathered something different from that statement. He never said anything about random lynches, and it seemed like you were trying to link him to a very scummy position that he never actually took.

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I can totally see what you're saying. I know how you got there, and it's a very logical step. If you look at the context of that statement, I think you can see where I got my understanding of the quote.

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Did I vote him? FoS him? express any suspicion of him whatsoever besides saying that he possibly straw-manned? No, in fact I have liked most of what he said. We disagreed about this, but it was one point, and just because two people disagree does not mean they're automatically distancing.

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@DE: Weren't you the one saying that we'll most likely lynch a townie earlier so we should just random vote? This isn't a random vote and, yes, it may be a townie, but we always take that chance. I like how you also totally ignored the entire discussion about your statement when you are the only person who could really clarify it.

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I have to agree with The Fonz here. Much of this discussion involves WIFOM. The scum would do things that are better for them sure, but in the case of most people here, that involves giving the town what seems to be town advice to them, even when it actually helps the scum. No lynch just helps scum in most cases, and the town should know that and ignore that advice.

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*sigh*

unvote

Welcome to the game Eteocles. Let's hope you're more helpful than DS was.

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Because it's common courtesy to give any replacement at least a chance to defend themselves first.

Yes, that is exactly it. Sometimes there's just an idiot playing and the replacement makes a lot more sense and you change your view of things

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Because he was being both an idiot

and

scummy.
I voted him because both I thought he was scum and trying to lurk to victory, and because I wasn't liking his playstyle.

The unvote is because he was replaced, and it's common courtesy to give the replacement a little time to get used to the game. However, Eteocles being lazy is making me want to put my vote back on him. He needs to read the game and actually say what he thinks. If it's not good enough, he gets voted. When someone replaces in for someone I'm voting for, I

always

unvote them until they start saying something. If I don't like their contribution, they get voted again.

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Ok. If eteocles doesn't post

content

by monday, I will revote him. And if I don't like his contributions (meaning I find them scummy), I will revote as well.

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unvote, vote: eteocles

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I'm not ignoring it, I just don't see as much as you see. I see some scuminess there, but I see it more in DS/Eteocles.

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post later guys.

Why later? why not now?

when I prodded him, his brother was online and he posted for some reason. - mod

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Hey guys, I'm around but I don't have anything to post right now. If I do, I'll make sure to contribute it. If you've got any questions for me, feel free to post them, I should be able to reply within 12 hours of it being posted.

Then find something to post. Post a list of who you find suspicious, or something along those lines. I always get suspicious of people who only post to say "I don't have anything to say." My opinion is, if you post, then say something about the game. Otherwise games will stall.

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All right, a few things have happened since the last time I saw this thread. I believe the cop claim from Antithesis. Panzer is making me scratch my head. I don't know what he's seeing in CKD to think him more worthy of a "lurker lynch" than DS/Eteocles who hasn't posted since he replaced in, while CKD has been contributing more recently. I think I have to re-read to get ideas back in my head. My vote stays until A) Eteocles contributes something useful, or B) I find a better suspect.

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Mills/whoever replaced him = better lynch than ds/whoever replaced him.

He claimed cop. Read the thread.

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I'm also in a few games for now, so I'm sorry if I ever mix something from one game into another.

Anyway, I don't know who to vote for as of now. Although some people come straight to mind (mills and ds), I'm hesitating to vote for them thinking that they may be a retarded townie who doesn't know what they're doing. If I vote someone I

personally

find suspiciously too townie, then I might be accused of scum.If I kill off an inactive, I might be killed for not even bothering to know who/what they are, but it might also help the game by getting rid of an inactive.

Finally, if I vote for a no lynch, it means an instant loss for the town, and we still get somone killed, so it's not town enough.

Again, read the damned thread. Mills and DS have been replaced, and Mills' replacement has claimed cop. This shit is important.

QFT Fonz.

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I think he's calling them the same thing.

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Um, that looks like "I told you so, can I get some townie points?" to me.

FoS: egruntz

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Xyl is an awesome player, if this ist he Xyl from IRC-chat. In IRC chat, xyl Always dies n1, unless he's scum. My guess is that the SK got him, if this forum reflects IRC chat in any way. Either that or a vig felt Xyl was being TOO town. Anyways, no way to know at this time, but I would be a bit wary of people saying "Wow xyl had me completely fooled" - I always consider statements like that to be scum covering their tracks.

What are your thoughts on egruntz's comment that he "knew Xyl was scum"? Is it as suspicious to you as "wow he had me fooled"?

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I have thought about it, and after looking at vollkan's PBPA, which put all of egruntz's posts in perspective...

vote: egruntz

I haven't seen anything real useful from him, and after the day 1 of pushing NL, the trying to get brownie points really reeks of scum.

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Bah, you got me. I admit, I'm mafia. =/

Either that's mafia giving up, which would make me happy, or it's a townie trying appeal to emotion, which is a scumtell in and of itself. Either way, I have no qualms about lynching egruntz now.

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I have to kind of agree with Skruffs here. Noticing that as your first post of the day makes it seem like there's another reason for your actions. It's kinda like egruntz and the "knew Xyl was scum" statement, IMO.

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I'm not feeling the heat on OGML, personally. It seems like people are making too much of a little thing. Maybe I need to reread that part of day 1, but I think ZZ is a better lynch, because he's been almost seeming not to lurk, yet he hasn't contributed much of anything useful.

vote: zz

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Snaps: How would a scum know that there were two scum groups in the first place?

Nothing to add right now, but I can't post for at least the next 48 hours (I have a massive paper to write for Modern History.) I will be reading the thread though.

vote: liamcool

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To be honest, I'm kinda lost in this one.
Note: I'm not voting liamcool for lurking, I'm voting him for what he said.

I'll give my basic thoughts at this point. I don't really like the wagon on OGML, it doesn't feel right. Panzer and zz both seem a bit iffy, and I voted for liamcool because I always find it scummy when people come in to say "I don't see anything bye"

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I'm not switching my vote to OGML because I don't think he's scum at this time.

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I think Rishi is overreacting a bit to vollkan's comments, but I'm not sure whether that means anything or not.

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there's a difference between defending yourself vigilantly and seeming to get emotional about it. You can definitely overreact to a comment.

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So you expect to just be given a free pass because you're a replacement?

Unvote, Vote: Rishi

I'm not a big fan of this post, because I think it's quite clear that Rishi didn't want a free pass.
It seems like the best choice at this point

unvote, vote OGML

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hey, it's over. cool. I am sad I lost.
I'm also curious as to why I was NK'd.