Mafia 72: Peril in Panama - Game over!

[Lowell]

I'm here. Likely to do what vollkan just did. Soon enough.

[Lowell]

Here we go... cut and paste... POW!

1-33- nothing happens
34- jordan votes Unright for calling ppl "townies"
36- ckg votes unright
40- BM votes jordan for being a follower
45- Unright votes BM, despite BM having his back on this one [townish]
47- ABR votes Unright
53- Jordan switches vote to Dragon Phoenix
54- ABR follows
58- MoS votes Jordan
61- ABR votes MoS
68-74- meta-argument between ABR and BM
86- post analysis from Unright
90- DP runs through all players, votes ABR
99- porochaz appears, votes DP [lazy or scummy]
112- DP unvotes ABR, votes Jordan
117- Gage unvotes, complains game is too slow, called out for doing nothing
120- unright votes gage for being useless [opportunistic, a bit]
122- gage posts, hints at verifiable roleclaim
124- Nekka asks for clarification of roleclaim
130-131- ABR and Unright doubt claim, agree on Gage scummy
136- Jordan FOSs gage
138- DP points out gage probably not scum claiming with so little pressure [true]
160- mandalorian doesn't believe claim
162- gage claims his mason buddy is bussing
163- DP votes gage
168- ABR claims mason, confirms gage
190- mandolin votes BM for voting gage
196- gage votes BM for same reason, BM explains he didn't read [believable]
198- Jordan goes apeshit on masons*
202- DP unvotes Jordan [why?]*
204- BM AGAIN accidentally votes for claimed mason
205- Jordan votes BM for dumbness
209- porochaz votes BM [opportunistic]
210- ABR votes BM
212- ABR asks for BM claim
215- DP defends BM, doesn't hammer
216- Jordan unvotes BM, votes ABR for asking for claim* [curious...]
226- BM begins post-by-post analysis of players
249- MoS takes BM's side
256- ckd unvotes BM at MoSs insistance
257- DP votes ckd for that
263- Nekka pushes for continued BM pbpa
265- ckd asks pete to explain why BM is town
278- pete d votes nekka for being useless [townish]
280ish- Jordan begins pbpa
309- ABR votes Jordan out of the blue
310- MoS agrees with vote
311-current- nothing happens

A few things:
1) I unconditionally believe the mason claims. I think it would be stupid to fake-claim them at this point, and I can't imagine ABR as gage's scumbuddy rescuing him by putting them BOTH in such danger.

As well, I dont' think it's necessarily a bad move to have masons claim D1. Everyone seems to think it makes scum job easier of finding power roles, but in my experience it actually presents a difficult decision for scum. They want to find power roles, but can't very well just allow two confirmed innocents to just sit hang around to the endgame. I like the plan, and don't fault gage's instincts of wanting to out himself and his partner.

2)

vote DP

,

fos Jordan

,

FOS porachaz

.

The sequence around post 200 bothers me more than anything. I read it over a few times just to make sure I wasn't missing anything. Basically, DP votes for Jordan. Then, after Jordan makes what in my mind is a mediocre, metagaming post (198), DP declares himself satisfied and unvotes (202). Of all the vote/unvote sequences, this makes the least sense. I think that was some sort of timid distancing attempt.

Jordan, in addition to the above, just gives me a bad feel. Something about his pbpas seem non-commital, and I dont' like the way he's more or less deflected talk of his own scumminess. It's as if he doesn't really want to get involved in an argument about it, particularly with MoS.

Porochaz, on the other hand, has just made a series of scummy moves. I dont' like post 99, or especially post 209. FTR, I do NOT believe that BMs insistance on voting for masons means anything other than he's lazy. It looks like poro just wants something to latch onto.

[Lowell]

Don't question my logic. My logic has magic seeing powers...

[Lowell]

I forgot I was in this game. Had it on my watch list, then looked at the first post and didnt' see my name, so deleted it.

mod

, can you make sure I'm listed there on the first page? Thanks.

[Lowell]

I'm very much against a lynch of BM. Even if he's scum, what's the point? He's not going anywhere. I'm willing to move my vote off DP for expediency if it comes to that but as I said I (a) won't vote for BM, and (b) still think DP is scum.

[Lowell]

^^^^^^

Yep

[Lowell]

Sounds fine.

unvote, vote bookitty

. FULL DISCLOSURE ALERT: I really don't have much of an opinion of bookitty, nor her predecessor. I do, however, advocate violence.

[Lowell]

Let me get back into the hang of this here. This is my reread from the BEGINNING of the bookitty wagon:

459- Boo attacks pete d in way I don't really understand
460- Albert calls boo out for it
462- Albert places first boo vote (very town)
463-468- Albert/boo argument rages
469- DP votes boo, 2nd vote (townish)
470- ckd tries to derail argument by changing subject (scummy), equivocates on thoughts about boo in 472 (very scummy)
475- vollkan FOSs boo (why no vote?)
477- satael votes unright, doesn't mention boo (suspicious)
478- Albert finds 477 suspicious
482-483- Albert intensifies attack on bookitty
486- satael defends boo... sort of (scummy)
487- Albert continues on warpath...
493- satael encourages others to express thoughts of boo, does not do so himself (very suspicious, looks like he's testing waters)
497- pete d votes boo, 3rd vote (very town)
501- vollkan defends boo (strange, considering 475)
504- Ablert pleads for 2 more boo votes by deadline
505- vollkan obliges, votes boo (townish, albeit odd, vote)
508- boo votes pete d
513- CKD votes boo, 5th [deadline hammer] vote (very town
515- Lowell votes boo, 6th vote [lynch +1]
516- Poro votes Albert (?)
519- CKD unvotes, won't be attached to Lowell (very scummy)
521- MoS votes boo, 6th votes [lynch +1]
524- poro votes Lowell (bad)
***Bookitty, godfather, lynched***
532- satael votes poro
533- Albert defends poro, votes satael
538- farside votes ckd
540- poro votes satael
542- Albert sets out D2 case, against satael
543- MoS votes satael
545- pete d votes ckd
548- [name unreadable in my notes] votes ckd, FOSs satael
564- satael votes ckd

First off, obviously, kudos to

Albert "Don't Call Me ABR" B Rampage

for sniffing that one out. He's my new hero.

Second, I'm of the opinion that, while bussing is possible, it is very unlikely that scum will join the wagons of other scum early, and it is ESPECIALLY unlikely that they would bus the godfather. So, I'm also declaring the following people to be

town

... or, at least, non-mafia.

DP

, who I voted yesterday, joined the wagon as the 2nd vote and never equivocated from it. This is especially important, given that he not only voted with Albert, but was the first player to give his theory real legs (post 469) and bring bookitty into the realm of lynch candidate rather than Albert pet project. Not something I think a scum would do, as no one would turn on a godfather that fast.

pete d

, for post 497. 40 posts after the original vote by Albert, the "wagon" still only had 2 votes, and was in danger (despite Alberts vocal objections) of dying out. pete d made bookitty the frontrunner for lynch, which, again, I do NOT think a scum teammate would do. Also, the fact that bookitty voted for him in desperation (post 508) is probably a credit in his favor.

vollkan

. I don't really like the way he only introduced an FOS to the argument against bookitty (when she only had 2 votes and was in no danger) and then sort of flip-flopped on his view of her, but he did step up and place the lynch -1 vote when deadline was approaching. A scum in his position, I believe, would have laid low.

MoS

. He was largely absent for the discussion, but did enter in post 521 with an insurance vote on bookitty. While his latecoming vote would tactically be the right time and place for a bussing vote, I think that (a) there was a chance boo could still escape at the time, as poro had just pulled his vote off, and (b) given MoS's absence, he could easily have just waited out the deadline without drawing any real suspicion.

The "I Don't Know What To Make Of Them" List:

ckd

. EVERYTHING about his actions reeks of scumminess during the leadup to the bookitty lynch. The worst, in my opinion, are posts 470 and 472, where he intentionally tries to curb the Albert/boo discussion and generalize the game (always a bad sign).

So, basically, he'd be a shoo-in for scum except for... post 513. He places the deadline hammer vote. So, I dont' know what to make of him.

Scums

:

poro

. He looks the worst. Not just because he didn't trust the boo wagon (fair), but because he pulled his vote at the end AFTER having joined the boo wagon.

satael

. Also vocal against bookitty wagon, and post 493 is particularly scummy. He tries to remain diplomatic during the debate, which is very very scummy. In post 477 he tries to ignore the debate altogehter, in fact.

I could go for either of these guys, frankly. However, I'll going to give Albert the benefit of the doubt.

vote satael

[Lowell]

vote vollkan

. If Albert says "jump", I say "how high"?

[Lowell]

I'll accept the claim, though not the conclusion.

[Lowell]

Yeah, farside's post was suspicious as hell. I still don't really think DP looks very scummy, and pete IIRC did something relatively pro-town yesterday, so that's good enough for now.

vote farside

[Lowell]

post 775 makes a lot of sense.

Here's my reasoning for farside.

DP, as some pointed out, has seemed to vote "right" every time. Still, I can't fathom scum intentionally bussing their own GODFATHER, and since he led the charge against bookitty (w/ Albert) I don't see him as scum.

Pete D could be scum, but he too helped push the wagon forward. It is one thing to say "scum want to hide by being on the right wagon", but both of these two led the charge. I, and several others, probably never would have even NOTICED the bookitty argument had they not been so vocal in backing Albert up on it.

So that gives me farside by process of elimination. Pow. Scum.

[Lowell]

Man I couldn't be under more heat in more games at once. I'm not really seeing the case against me, TBH. Anyone want to make it make more sense?

If it's the Albert thing, well, I'd do it again. That guy was on fire.

[Lowell]

What I said before. I'm not overly impressed w/ him persay, though I feel like he took an early stance against Bookitty long before it was obvious she was goign to get lynched. So he gets points for that.

But if your question is: would you rather lynch pete d than Lowell then my answer is.... yes.

[Lowell]

Wait, you killed me? Boo.