You keep saying he's shown a case, but I read through his ISO and didn't see shit for a case. Show me the case please...In post 4421, MortFeld wrote:I don't like this at all. As annoying as Ali's tone is, she's right. Echo has been taking a stance on Wraith: Wraith is not scummy and nobody has made a case (until Mort). But Severa has made a case; in fact, a large portion of my case comes from Severa. So Echo either
1. doesn't understand the case
2. doesn't think it legitimately shows scum intent or
3. understands it but doesn't think it overrides whatever towny things Wraith has done.
In each case there's a burden on Echo that he hasn't fulfilled. In 1. he should work to understand Severa's case instead of yelling over and over that there is no case. In 2. he should explain why, but since 2. implies ~1. I don't think 2. is the case. In 3. he should explain why Wraith is town (what Ali said).
I don't agree with telling players how they should play but completely disregarding the reasons a wagon has formed is not pro-town.
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Wait, so if your predecessor shot texcat, then neither mafia team went through with a night kill??????????In post 4454, The Rebbe wrote:Considering that my predecessor vigged one scumfuck, I don't see why the vig is being a detriment to town.
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but the one kill was by you?In post 4462, The Rebbe wrote:
I've seen moderators do that before. That might actually explain why there was only one kill last night. I don't think both scum teams would accurately role block each other.In post 4461, Creature wrote:How hillarious would it be if the mod was just making us think it was multiball?-
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for once i actually agree with you on something... that vig claim is weird as fuck to me and it's making me uneasy.In post 4468, Severa wrote:I don't believe the vig claim.
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you believe that neither mafia faction got a kill last night??In post 4484, MortFeld wrote:I believe the claim
Wraith I thought my scumreading you was evident. I just pause since I don't know if a scummer would put so much analytical effort into the catch up walls.
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I agree with the first little bit of this, when you were saying how he started out scummy cause of the confrontation with Debi. I believe I even put up a vote for him cause of this on d1. My issue with it is everything after that has pinged as town for me, and I haven't had an issue with anything else that he's posted.In post 4367, MortFeld wrote:Wraith
30 so no RVS vote to start. I never like when people decline to RVS in their first post but it's prob NAI
119 when I read Debi it was CLEAR to me that she was newb and pulled a ratio out of nowhere. It's one of the
reasons I strongly townread the slot. Scum doesn't come up with an absurd hypothetical ratio and spend
paragraphs analyzing the math around it when scum knows how many people are on their team. Wraith
assumed two things:
1. that Debi's ratio implied foreknowledge and because of this
2. that the setup was multiball
That the setup is actually multiball could be confbias but I do agree with Severa here. Why would town ever
think that Debi's ratio implied foreknowledge? 9/19 is absurd and everyone including Wraith pointed this out.
Yet Wraith, rather than doing what (?) Creature (? Don't remember who this was might have been Pine) did
and repeat "Adapt" 30 times, took Debi at face value. This belies a paranoia that I don't think is town.
Arguments against this are essentially "But Wraith has done towny things" and "This is reachy" so I'm
keeping these in mind as I read.
121 Wraith continues to maintain that Debi has foreknowledge. It is not a possibility in Wraith's mind that Debi
is newb and has no idea what she is talking about.
126 more of Wraith's not allowing that Debi is newb.
130 Wraith allows that Debi might be newb.
144 Ircher says 'yo dude you're assumin a lot and it ain't helpful' Wraith says 'nah it is helpful bro'
488 starts off towny. Alisae's vote was awful. But I can see scum!Wraith making that post assuming Alisae is
not on his scumteam. Especially without even a vote, just like 'yo look at this scummery!' He then goes on to say
he doesn't like rb's entrance but doesn't say why (for the record, I've seen town rb enter other games in a very
similar way) and he townleans Echo and Grey. Echo+Wraith is Severa's proposed scumteam and Grey is
confscum, so /shrug idk imma keep reading.
621 is grosss accusing now conftown rb of a scumslip and then spending two paragraphs speculating about
multiball. I get that multiball/no multiball is part of the basis for his rb vote, but that honestly makes it worse
for me. Maybe I am bad but as town I wasn't even thinking about multiball before it was confirmed.
622 does Grey make this vote if he and Wraith are a scumteam? Probably not, imo
676 Wraith has already said he thinks Alisae is lynchbait (621) and that he shouldn't lynch lynchbait that day,
but now he's 180ing and focusing on Ali's Pine townread - which is a bad townread yes but stuff like that is exactly
why Ali is considered lynchbait. He also recalls her Wraith vote which I get, it's a bad vote. But it feels like he
tosses it in with other pieces of 'evidence' as part of an Ali case, given that nobody latched onto it originally. He's
also explicitly fence sitting between rb and Ali wagons.
681 apologizes for Debi vote… NAI. I've seen both town and scum do this. Reading the rest of 681 it honestly looks
really town. I agree with a lot of what he says and it's really measured, objective, and gamesolvy. His reads are
confusing though for their lack of Dunn and LUV who had both been fairly active.
777 so this is a D7 flashwagon? Hm. Sitting out is NAI I think but I don't like using unmentionable player trends as
justification for a read. Not sure if it's actually anti-town.
1092 ugghhhh these walls I hate walls (knowing full well I am creating some - I would never ever do this
if I didn't replace in after 150 pages). Don't like some of his reads. HS' 1007 is not that bad. Townreads Grey
(though I do highly doubt they're on a scumteam). Don't get the Alisae read, gotta actually read 1097. In general
the reads are based on how much sense players make - not sure if that shows scum/town intent.
1097 ok I guess this could be town. I don't think it's too arguable than an Alisae lynch would be pro-town in
some respects.
Dude I can't deal with Wraith's playstyle. He doesn't even link posts.
2314 why is he scumreading Gin now? 1758 (ok, I can see this) and the vig claim. Given that Gin was actually
fakeclaiming I guess I can see this. But you've been saying Gin is the voice of reason all game and now a post from
AA and Gin's claim that you don't believe transform him from TOP TOWNREAD to SCUMREAD… a little fishy
Hmm. Wraith insists on a Gin lynch a lot. Could be that he believes the claim and wants to push the Vig lynch
through.
Disclaimer, I am skimming. Eyes are getting tired.
Census. What was the percentage of people who believed Gin vs people who didn't? Clearly he was lynched so.
Dunnstral's 2753 is pinging me.
2980 grossssssss why is Alisae town now?? This renews the idea of Wraith+Greyslot scumteam. 2980 honestly
looks like the reads you'd get if you knew it wasn't multiball.
Taking a break bc sleep.
TL;DR Wraith might be town. But I don't like 119 at all and there are enough weird poorly justified switches in opinion to give me pause. Could be explained by Wraith's constant missing a lot and catching up, or that could be a built-in excuse for having reads on the periphery.-
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just the first words that came to my head. when i start writing, i don't stop until i'm done typing even if it makes me sound stupid.In post 4487, Titus wrote:
Went through with? Weird phrasingIn post 4481, EchoVision wrote:
Wait, so if your predecessor shot texcat, then neither mafia team went through with a night kill??????????In post 4454, The Rebbe wrote:Considering that my predecessor vigged one scumfuck, I don't see why the vig is being a detriment to town.
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very true... I trust the slot, i just don't trust the claim...In post 4489, MortFeld wrote:
I townread debislot and don't see why scum who is not under pressure would fakeclaim vig knowing there was only 1 nightkill.In post 4486, EchoVision wrote:
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Wraith I thought my scumreading you was evident. I just pause since I don't know if a scummer would put so much analytical effort into the catch up walls.
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I don't have any idea what happened at night. That's why it worries me that there was only one kill that was a supposed vig kill. We've already established that there is two separate mafia factions. At night, what do mafia factions do? They kill people. If this vig got the only kill, what happened with the TWO mafia kills that night? One being blocked is believable. A lucky roleblock, or a lucky doc I get it. But that happening twice?? I just don't think it's likely...In post 4494, MortFeld wrote:You saying that worries me. You should have little idea what happened at night. Even if you're a protective PR that would explain only 1 scum nightkill and any number of things could explain the other one.-
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was a fake cop claim saying that I got a guilty result back, which is one of my main reasons for my vote on himIn post 4496, MortFeld wrote:Dunn returned a guilty on someone, who was it again?-
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that's where i'm fucked in my brain that barely exists... i've got absolutely no clue.In post 4514, MortFeld wrote:
Statistically, probably not. Why do you think Rebbe claimed?In post 4512, EchoVision wrote:
I don't have any idea what happened at night. That's why it worries me that there was only one kill that was a supposed vig kill. We've already established that there is two separate mafia factions. At night, what do mafia factions do? They kill people. If this vig got the only kill, what happened with the TWO mafia kills that night? One being blocked is believable. A lucky roleblock, or a lucky doc I get it. But that happening twice?? I just don't think it's likely...In post 4494, MortFeld wrote:You saying that worries me. You should have little idea what happened at night. Even if you're a protective PR that would explain only 1 scum nightkill and any number of things could explain the other one.-
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If you're right about the non investment, could they have forgotten about the night phase and forgotten to put in their night kills?? That would explain a lot tbh...In post 4519, MortFeld wrote:Or they're not invested.
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there was an attempt, i'm pretty sure texcat was on it which is one of my reasons for alisae town leanIn post 4525, MortFeld wrote:
Was there ever a push for an Alisae PL?In post 4523, drealmerz7 wrote:alisae knows all of this...they're just a scumbag-
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okay so this was his reason for a vote on you. shitty reason, alisae isn't red maf. still could be blue, but i don't think he is.In post 1553, texcat wrote:
I must not understand what "pocket" means. Or one of us doesn't??In post 1541, Alisae wrote:Like I legit think you are trying to pocket rb.
I thought it was like when a mobster has the police sergeant in his pocket, meaning the police sergeant will do what the mobster tells him to. But Pine isn't trying to tell Rb what to do, it looks exactly the opposite to me. Pine is asking Rb what to do. I hate it when people throw around jargon that I don't understand.
And it bothers me that Alisae threw in the word "legit" here. It's as if she's admitting that her other posts are not what she legitimately thinks.
VOTE: Alisae
again him trying to go for your lynchIn post 1723, texcat wrote:In post 1709, Alisae wrote:You and Texacat are scum together. No doubt about that.
LMAO. That's quite a case.In post 1713, Alisae wrote:That is my case btw.
Can we lynch this already? No matter what Ircher thinks, lynchbait not= town. We're going to have to lynch this sooner rather than later.
drealm + texcat scum buds??In post 1956, texcat wrote:
????? whateverIn post 1944, Zachstralkita wrote:Texcat your posts are making your predecessor look bad... the first and last ones in your ISO are the only good ones
I'm not voting Drealm toDay, chicken pictures or not. If we're not going to lynch Alisae, and this would my preference by far, I need to go back and look at Gin again. Back in a bit.
this kinda confirms mort and I aren't red. mort, you replaced debi right?In post 2550, texcat wrote:
I know that it is pointless to defend myself against these lies and shit posting. But Grey is not here to defend himself any longer and I feel like you are making an easy smudge on him. Let's look at your reads on him when he was here.In post 2421, Alisae wrote:Gin I've said this multiple times, Texcat.
>They are my strongest scumread.
>Grey came off to me as not playing his towngame.
>They think they're lynchbait when they aren't
>Their reasoning for voting me is very weak.
Spoiler: Alisae town reads Grey
Can you explain what it is about Grey that suddenly made you decide that this was not his town game?
I never said I was lynchbait. I'm tempted to think that this is a purposeful lie to indict me, but I think you just misread something. I said that you were lynchbait, as you've proudly admitted.
Alisae is never going to be a town read for me. This is opportunistic and malicious shit posting.
1. Echo, DebiIn post 2431, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:I'm not going to talk after this point because who I shoot is based on what ya'll come up with (with my authority being supreme but hey gotta satiate that ego).
The two questions in case you forget are:
Shooting Pool: All Alone, Zach, Slick, Echo, Debi, and Texcat
Question 1: Out of the shooting pool, who would you want shot the most?
Question 2: Out of the shooting pool, who would you want shot the least?
2. Zach, Tex
But any pool that leaves out Alisae is shit.
Also, I wish i knew his reasoning behind him not wanting to shoot zach but it's too late for that now.
why was he against the slick lynch?? could just be because of him being scum and wanting to end the day as quickly as possible, but idk. I'm probably reading this shit too in depth.In post 2571, texcat wrote:Titus, why are you pushing the Slick lynch? Why not one of the existing candidates?
Gin was promising a reads list when I subbed in. We never saw it.
@mod, VC please
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And this is why....In post 2596, Debi wrote:
Anybody who thinks that I should be shot or lynched currently, I'd like to here your reasoning.
because you're not even trying to read the thread or keep up. At least you could sheep one of your town reads.In post 2599, Alisae wrote:Debi plz.
rb is confirmed town and Gin claimed vig.
and Grey got replaced.
Just re-read the game when you get a chance.
And I'm not trying to start a slick wagon anymore, Titus is -_-In post 2680, texcat wrote:
I still think that Alisae admitted that she had been posting not what she legitimately thought. She says here that she legitimately thinks. That implies to me that her other posts were not what she legitimately thinks. I think that's a scum tell.In post 1553, texcat wrote:
I must not understand what "pocket" means. Or one of us doesn't??In post 1541, Alisae wrote:Like I legit think you are trying to pocket rb.
I thought it was like when a mobster has the police sergeant in his pocket, meaning the police sergeant will do what the mobster tells him to. But Pine isn't trying to tell Rb what to do, it looks exactly the opposite to me. Pine is asking Rb what to do. I hate it when people throw around jargon that I don't understand.
And it bothers me that Alisae threw in the word "legit" here. It's as if she's admitting that her other posts are not what she legitimately thinks.
VOTE: Alisae
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idk, i was thinking about it and I think it would be d3 lylo. Do the scum teams have to be even or could it be 4v3v12?In post 4542, Alisae wrote:Also is 4v4v11 possible?-
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nevermind, only accounted for 1 maf kill each night. would be d2 lylo.In post 4544, EchoVision wrote:
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am i considered a lurker with 224 posts??In post 4556, Creature wrote:Nah, EchoVision is my favorite lurker.-
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This is the reason I made 4543 or whatever it was. He didn't remember texcat pushing a lynch on him, so I went and showed it. It was to back up what I had said earlier about Alisae probably not being scum. I went through the ISO and found more that I thought should be noted so I noted it. More than two sentences, oh fucking wellIn post 4541, Alisae wrote:I don't remember tex pushing for a PL on me.
I remember Gin pushing a PL on me.
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yeah, had shit going on. Now I'm off cause midterms so I'll be a lot less lurky the next few days.In post 4561, Creature wrote:
Hey, you were considered a lurker some time before.In post 4558, EchoVision wrote:
am i considered a lurker with 224 posts??In post 4556, Creature wrote:Nah, EchoVision is my favorite lurker.-
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i am. either that or dunnIn post 4564, Creature wrote:MortField, hopefully you aren't thinking of lynching someone that looks associated with texcat.-
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I think I pointed that out in what I had said. If not, I definitely meant to point it out.In post 4572, Alisae wrote:I decided to ISO Texcat and see if I could find anything
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called us dumb. discredit. scum claim. fake ass mother fucker lynch this shitIn post 4577, Zachstralkita wrote:
Is your money being long worth yo lifespan being shorterIn post 4571, Creature wrote:From Dunn and Zach, Dunn looks town and Zach looks scum.
That's dumb. Not sure why you guys are taking flipped scum's "reads" at face value, considering half of scum's job is to misdirect. It shows surface level thinking or intentionally sloppy work.EchoVision wrote:
I think I pointed that out in what I had said. If not, I definitely meant to point it out.In post 4572, Alisae wrote:I decided to ISO Texcat and see if I could find anything
When Gin faked Vig Tex said that she didn't want Zach shot.
She also said she wanted Debi shot.
Maybe we should we look at Zach again?
Even before he mentioned me, as of late Alisae has either been derping hard or making scum posts.
I haven't said anything about Rebbe's claim, I'm still way back at why he felt it was necessary to do it in the first place.
*obvious sarcasm is obvious*-
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FUCK YOU discredit again.In post 4622, Zachstralkita wrote:
Your drealmerz impression could use some owrk. try CAPITALSEchoVision wrote:
called us dumb. discredit. scum claim. fake ass mother fucker lynch this shitIn post 4577, Zachstralkita wrote:
Is your money being long worth yo lifespan being shorterIn post 4571, Creature wrote:From Dunn and Zach, Dunn looks town and Zach looks scum.
That's dumb. Not sure why you guys are taking flipped scum's "reads" at face value, considering half of scum's job is to misdirect. It shows surface level thinking or intentionally sloppy work.EchoVision wrote:
I think I pointed that out in what I had said. If not, I definitely meant to point it out.In post 4572, Alisae wrote:I decided to ISO Texcat and see if I could find anything
When Gin faked Vig Tex said that she didn't want Zach shot.
She also said she wanted Debi shot.
Maybe we should we look at Zach again?
Even before he mentioned me, as of late Alisae has either been derping hard or making scum posts.
I haven't said anything about Rebbe's claim, I'm still way back at why he felt it was necessary to do it in the first place.
*obvious sarcasm is obvious*
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He said this on d1, which causes his cop claim to be completely fake. Why would he say in chat for a cop to check these people if he was a cop???In post 2646, Dunnstral wrote:Cop can check someone like drealmerz or echo or WraithHe wouldn't.
I'm on my phone but I'm going through his iso now. might not finish but I will eventually.In post 3561, EchoVision wrote:
what's the point in calling me out for saying fuck unless you're trying to build a case on me with nothingIn post 2843, Dunnstral wrote:from clueless newbie to guy shouting profanities and acting like the stuff
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then, after realizing his case was ass, he changed to Wraith for this reason. ew.In post 2979, Dunnstral wrote:Whow as the one who said if it's multiball wraith is scum? Why aren't you voting him?
VOTE: WraithIn post 3567, EchoVision wrote:
so much for this post... "votes not coming off" you seem to have a lot of flexibility with your votes considering what I quoted beforeIn post 3039, Dunnstral wrote:
Doubt you get lynched that fast. If you think votes will be off you by then fat chance: I make it a point to only vote people when I'm set on lynching them. Vote's not coming offIn post 3036, Zachstralkita wrote:More like 8 to 10 pagesIn post 3569, EchoVision wrote:
claiming a Zach push, isn't your vote on Wraith???In post 3054, Dunnstral wrote:What Gin failed to account for is that he's revealing who is and isn't a real vig
@Zach really though, you not believing gins claim was baseless and I can only hope you're not a pr when I push you
Why were you discrediting gin and his claim?In post 3570, EchoVision wrote:
okay now he's starting to move over to me. now I leave. I'll be back.In post 3070, Dunnstral wrote:I'd be willing to lynch echoIn post 3619, EchoVision wrote:
why the fuck would you vig rb he's an ic...In post 3080, Dunnstral wrote:
That's what I'm figuring out. Prob lynch wraith vig rb and investigate whoever; and lynch echo tomorrowIn post 3076, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:What's the right path?In post 3623, EchoVision wrote:
why cause I actually have reasons to scum read you and you don't have shit on me?In post 3611, Dunnstral wrote:willing to lynch echo after that recent display.In post 3625, EchoVision wrote:
wanted to vig Alisae because of his posts... that reason is shittier than your non existant reason for meIn post 3084, Dunnstral wrote:I don't want to wade through your posts anymoreIn post 3671, EchoVision wrote:
they haven't done that about me either, just claimed I'm scummyIn post 3631, Wraith wrote:
It's funny how you haven't elaborated why I'm scum outside of "This is scum"In post 3629, Severa wrote:VOTE: Wraith
This is a better wagon.
Titus, let's deal. If I'm wrong I will vote SlickDilinger with you. If I'm right, nothing besides ego points.
This is scum and I need your vote to lynch it. I am superconfident in you being town.In post 3672, EchoVision wrote:
What do you have against the dunn wagon??In post 3652, Wraith wrote:
Dunn's not getting lynched if I can help itIn post 3650, drealmerz7 wrote:wraith can you see dunnstral lynch today or should I move to kyouko?
btw i forgot this game existed since my last post... do you guys want me to keep going through his iso or no??-
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Dunn faked a cop claim, which he claimed by saying that he got a guilty for me. As the person who recieved the role pm with my non mafia role, I know that this is complete bullshit and its just like Wraith. why would you claim something you're not...In post 4642, MortFeld wrote:
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In post 3054, Dunnstral wrote:What Gin failed to account for is that he's revealing who is and isn't a real vig
@Zach really though, you not believing gins claim was baseless and I can only hope you're not a pr when I push you
Why were you discrediting gin and his claim?In post 3146, Dunnstral wrote:Alright lads, I figure this is a good a time as any to mention my own investigate guilty onEchovision... let's lynchEchovisionand laugh at rbIn post 3165, Dunnstral wrote:Nothing failedIn post 3168, Dunnstral wrote:
being dumb apparently if echo is townIn post 3166, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Dunn, help me understand what you're doing right now.
got bored so I went back through the iso and found this stuff for youIn post 3170, Dunnstral wrote:In post 2886, Human Sequencer wrote:You're not excused.
Echo's defense checks out -and- is verifiable by Alisae.
Why are you suddenly pushing echo? Your play is survivalistic as fuck.
You latch on to no-lynch to not die. No traction. Then you latch on to slick-lynch to not die. No traction. Then you latch on to echo-lynch. You'll get on any wagon that isn't your own at this point, even though you literally said earlier 'Yeah I don't even care I'll just self-hammer!'
Town vig that wants to self-hammer doesn't say they'll self-hammer. They wait until they can self hammer, and then self-hammer.
Town vig doesn't claim at l-3/4. Town vig does all they can to keep the heat off of them and then claims at L-1 if they must.
Scum/SK does everything they can to keep a wagon off of them, and claims that they'll self-hammer if they have to but they never actually will.
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not if you turn out to flip scumIn post 4654, Severa wrote:
I am a way more valuable player to town than Wraith will ever be.In post 4651, MortFeld wrote:
I don't consider a trade of town!Wraith lynch today for guaranteed scum!Severa lynch tomorrow a bad trade, but maybe I don't know Wraith well enough.In post 4649, drealmerz7 wrote:yeh they could be scums together fosho
yeah the hole in that strategy is that wraith is a strong town player down the line and we need him for later in the game and he is not NEARLY FUCKING SCUMMY AT ALL to be a lynch consideration today and the push on him is BOGUS, scum just want him dead because they fear his analytical threat-
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OH GET BONEDIn post 4656, drealmerz7 wrote:
already proven false by contentIn post 4654, Severa wrote: I am a way more valuable player to town than Wraith will ever be.-
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boy you gotta learn to stay active... stop posting once after every prod and give this game some attention...In post 4669, SlickDilinger wrote:
Yes, I've heard folks say that this is culture around here in the past.In post 4659, MortFeld wrote:Reading Dunn makes me think that it's site meta to play like shit to not get scumread.-
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wtf is low hanging fruit scumIn post 4688, Severa wrote:Low hanging fruit scum is Echo. Everyone in this game realizes that the slot is scum or will as soon as Wraith flips and their associatives are dragged into the open.
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I REALLY like this post. That seems like too complicated of a reason for scum to make up out of nowhere... I've still got a little to read but I might switch over to bdsm_tokyo soon...In post 4832, Wraith wrote:Okay now that I have some bloody time I can explain things. Quote wall incoming.
Because outlining my suspicions of Creature's role are integral to understanding why I investigated Titus over Alisae N1.In post 4821, Human Sequencer wrote:Why did you out creature? I'm doubting that hard recently, I'm guessing you picked up on the same crumb I did.
I took this post for a Vig softclaim, especially after the series preceding it and ESPECIALLY after the one that followed:In post 1814, Creature wrote:I'll kill scum myself then.
I had already been getting PR vibes from Creature based on his playstyle - playing cards close to the chest - and my conclusion of "likely Vig" was due to him constantly pushing lurkers D1. I suspected it was either an attempt to provoke activity from the lurkers and thus separate town!lurkers from scum!lurkers, or to bait scum into an obvious mislynch wagon.In post 1816, Creature wrote:Investigatives
Don't waste your precious checks on lurkers (unless you're some tracking-like role who thinks lurker will kill). They won't give info anyway.
My suspicions of Creature being the Vig are also why I didn't believe Gin's claim whatsoever (combined with Gin loudly shouting about who he intended to "shoot"):
In post 2570, Wraith wrote:Yeah and it's very obviously fake. AA said it best:
I also think Zach's case is a decent one when (finally) viewed altogether. And those aren't the only two reasons.In post 2401, All Alone wrote:In post 2254, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:I'm just using my vig shot on you, I dont care if I die claiming a power role, you're a worthy shot.In post 2265, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:I'll self hammer at this point but lynch these slots lynched with fire after I'm dead.
SELF-HAMMERING IS NOT A TOWN VIG PLAYIn post 2275, TheRealGin-N-Tonic wrote:Remember, the those 3 pushers of my lynch, also Echo. Let's end Day 1 please.
VOTE: Gin
SELF-VOTING IS NOT A TOWN VIG PLAY
FAKECLAIM DETECTED, EVERYONE GET YOUR VOTES ON GIN
It's tough because the wagon on Alisae is starting to gain steam again and rightfully so. But I'm putting more priority on the terrible, obvious fakeclaim.
Unvote
Vote: Gin
and also why I'm currentlyIn post 2769, Wraith wrote:AM I GOING COMPLETELY MAD?!
So the claimed Vig threatens to use his shot on HS the following night, and then actively pushes and votes for his own lynch? And then we'retelegraphing his Vig shot in advance?
In the theoretical scenario where Gin is telling the truth and he is the Vig, and he believes he is shooting scum in Echo, why should we possibly believe scum will just allow this to happen? If we're speculating Vigs and SKs and god-knows-whatever, is it so much of a stretch to speculate that the scum have a Roleblocker handy?
How is thisPOSSIBLYpro-town activity?verysuspicious of Debi/Rebbe's Vig claim.
I suspected Titus picked up on the same softclaim and vibe, and that he was softclaiming a protective role, after this post:
So I had a dilemma - investigate Alisae or Titus? I picked Titus because to me that would metaphorically confirm two birds with one stone in my mind. Turns out it confirmed three with one stone because the Grey/texcat flip made me firmly believe Alisae is town now.In post 1858, Titus wrote:
Not if I have anything to say about it.In post 1839, Creature wrote:I'll probably die N1 anyway.
In hindsight that was probably crucially flawed logic, but w/e. I think my scumreads at the start of the day illustrate my train of thought well enough:
MortFeld recently pointed out a pretty crucial post Kyouko made:In post 2980, Wraith wrote:Took a look at Grey/texcat's ISOs. One big thing I can take away from it is that my townread on Creature is cemented and I'm reversing on Alisae. Grey in particular did a lot to try to undermine those two players (as well as rb) early on.
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Which is pretty clearly Kyouko fishing for PRs and bumped up my 99% certainty of Scum!Kyouko to 100%. That he's asking this question makes me think there are now two possibilities:In post 4533, Wraith wrote:
Holy shit how did I miss that?In post 4524, MortFeld wrote:
For the record, I've been thinking about this one a lot. @kyouko why did you ask this?In post 3870, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:General question directed mostly at Titus but any experienced players: If there's a (1-shot) BP in this setup is it town or scum?
1. Kyouko's scumteam shot Creature and think Titus protected him
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So even after you town read on Wraith, you still think that severa was right about him being the gunsmith?????In post 4837, Human Sequencer wrote:You are very clearly incorrect on Severa, not only because of my read on Severa but my read on how you came to scumread Severa.
That's a vanity wagon if I ever saw one, boys.
I'm gonna go here.
VOTE: Creature
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I'm assuming that Creature is an even night vig and rebbe is an odd night vig???In post 4858, Creature wrote:Okay, I'm vigilante and I have a plausible reason to believe there's another vig around. That's enough information for scum.-
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Wraith came out as a cop which you seemed to believe (which i believe too, nothing against you on that) But the gunsmith (supposedly severa) had said that Wraith was armed with a gun. That means his claim is bullshit because Wraith is a cop and cops don't have fuckin guns sir...In post 4868, Human Sequencer wrote:wot-
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oh i knew thatIn post 4872, Human Sequencer wrote:Cops get a guilty from gunsmiths.
I've also stated reason to believe that Severa is VT faking gunsmith, but I'm not entirely confident in that, I'm just spitballing there.-
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creature is most likely an even night vig where rebbe is an odd night vig, last night was even night, so he didn't shoot anyoneIn post 4878, The Rebbe wrote:Reading through now. I really do not buy Creature's vig claim.
@Creature: Did you shoot last night? If so, who did you target?
If this game is mb and there are 2 vigs (I highly doubt it) why was there only one kill last night? I think creature is bullshitting.-
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fuck you scumIn post 4901, Severa wrote:There's no cop we're still lynching him let's go people.
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why are we lynching me over kyouko again, or can i find THAT as well by reading?In post 4905, Alisae wrote:OOOOOOOOOOOOOH
I'm Retarded.
Why are we lynching Kyouko over Echo again, or can I find THAT as well by reading?
VOTE: EchoVision-
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okay shoot me pls get a green flip
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shut the fuck up and let people talk oh my lordIn post 4952, Severa wrote:I AM BEING UNPLEASANT AND SPITEFUL. DO YOU KNOW WHY I AM BEING UNPLEASANT AND SPITEFUL? WRAITH IS STILL ALIVE.-
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i'd prefer you lynch me over wraith, vt is useless compared to a cop and i'd rather keep a cop around for the sake of the townIn post 4958, Titus wrote:I am absolutely as stubborn as you are and withdrew from the thread because you cannot be reasoned with. We can do Echo. Not Wraith.-
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just fucking read through... when i read i go from where i last left off to current state so i don't read all the fuck overIn post 4975, MortFeld wrote:Gross.
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wtf is this it looks like drealmerz typed it
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because i read from where i last left off to the end... when i had said what i said i didn't see his fullvig claimIn post 4996, MortFeld wrote:
I was specifically referring to you posting about Rebbe being odd nightIn post 4992, EchoVision wrote:
just fucking read through... when i read i go from where i last left off to current state so i don't read all the fuck overIn post 4975, MortFeld wrote:Gross.
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that's what i just said i did!!! i read from where i last left off to the most recent most and comment stuff as i see fit for what i have read.........In post 4999, MortFeld wrote:Severa was destined to replace pine from the beginning
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holy shit how hard is it to get this through your thick fucking skull...... i was in the middle of reading and i posted omlIn post 5002, MortFeld wrote:Ohhhh RC is role cop. Me dumb
I'm ignoring you. You made a comment irrelevant to the gamestate because you hadn't read. That annoys me.