Mafia 73: NEGWLTWWWTKY - Abandoned!

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Congratz, shismatized.

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Vote: Toaster Strudel

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Unvote
Vote:Sikario8

That's quite obvious. His vote was scummy as hell. Just when everyone called him out he voted on a bandwagon.

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I'm glad we don't have a deadline right now. I'd have to vote for Sikario8 out of self-defense, and that's a horrible reason to vote for someone (well, not -horrible-, but there's better).

This post seems like a scum tell. Together with your other posts lately it's more like a scumscream, then a scumtell.

How many to lynch peers?

unvote

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^wrong

vote: peers

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This is supposed to be a normal game. Don't speculate about absurd roles.

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Unvote

Peers seems good. Reread later today.

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I don't buy the Jordan wagon at all. Now it's just people randomly jumping on it and when Jordan comes back he has to defend himself against such rubbish.

Vote: KaleiÐoscøpe

He did not post anything significant and did a bit of bandwagon jumping.

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[quote="Sikario8"]Either way
[quote="zu_Faul"]I don't buy the Jordan wagon at all. Now it's just people randomly jumping on it and when Jordan comes back he has to defend himself against such rubbish.

Vote: KaleiÐoscøpe

He did not post anything significant and did a bit of bandwagon jumping.[/quote]
So are you off of Peers or simply shifting your attention to a more reasonable cause (whatever that may mean)?[/quote]

[quote="zu_Faul on page 14 (post 349)"]Unvote
Peers seems good. Reread later today. [/quote]

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Now I'd vote Sikario, but I don't want to let KScope lurk his way to victory.

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What have you gathered?

post 533. look it up yourself.

While showing TS's wrong conclusions and all doesn't make you immediately pro-town, I am not convinced that you're scum.

Lynching someone because someone said that he didn't read his pm (I don't take it for granted that he really didn't read it) is not that good of a reason.

I get really a lot of scum vibes off Sikario. And KScope who still shows a lack of any worthwhile post!

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Feels like first page again. Stop fooling around, ABR is not the one we're looking for today.

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Feels like first page again. Stop fooling around, ABR is not the one we're looking for today.

posts like this make me want to put the noose around your neck. But, i'll humour you. Why are so sure that ABR is town?

While we're asking questions, why do you think he's scum?

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If you want to lynch a lurker, there's KScope.

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Feels like first page again. Stop fooling around, ABR is not the one we're looking for today.

posts like this make me want to put the noose around your neck. But, i'll humour you. Why are so sure that ABR is town?

While we're asking questions, why do you think he's scum?

I don't like how you ducked BM's question here zu_faul.

Yeah? That's your problem. I just don't think ABR is scummy in this game, isn't that obvious? I also don't like your attitude but this has nothing to do with the game.

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Votecount would be good. But finally people are voting KScope. Its new post was so bandwagonny and opportune it smells of scumminess.

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I'm up to page 36, gonna post tomorrow, maybe tonight. Need to see someone sick now.

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Votecount would be good. But finally people

are voting KScope. Its new post was so bandwagonny and opportune it smells of

scumminess.

Fascinating how how ignore both the cases I made against Yosarian2

and hasdgfas, only paid attention to the last post in the thread (a one-liner to

boot), and concluded schis was scum.

Do you understand how you look at least as opportunistic as schis? More scummy by my

book, because I understand schis's sentiment that this day has seen a great many good

wagons derailed by er, say, Yosarian2 and hasdfas to name a few, has been sorely

lacking in votecounts, has lasted way too long, and had stalled. Your berating schis

is out of left field.

It's as if you can still see a star twinkling in the sky, when the sun is shining at

noon. It smells of scum not paying attention - consciously or not.

Lucky for you, hasdgfas is the lynch today.

Wow, how can someone misread my post so much that it appears to be an attack on

shismatized? Wtf? Yeah, if you invent crap I haven't said, obviously you can make an

attack against me. You are a complete retard.

Just because you're attention whoring and talk about no one but the guys you bring

up, and when someone else does not mention them you go into paranoid-angry retard

mode and start to scream and cry:


[quote="Peers"[

Why are you totally ignoring Yosarian2 and

hasdfas, by the by?

Because Yosarian's responded to every attack you've launched on him, and the last

time I voted for hasdaflag you decided I was scummy, so there's no point in me

mentioning him either way, now is there?[/quote]

so there's no point in me mentioning him either way, now is there?

You're right! Don't mention Yosarian2, don't vote fo hassdgfas, attack me instead!!!

You know what you sound like? You sound like totally panicked scum. And now, totally

panicked scum that's given up. I approve.

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Peril in Panama, that started about the same time as this game, has only 24 pages,

and THEY HAVE ALREADY LYNCHED SOMEONE!!!

So what? Games happen at different speed, this is a very poor argument. Only scum has

rational reason to rush into a lynch.

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There is absolutly nothing in the month of December that Panzer did that

makes me think he's trying to help the town at all. It was all spam and active

lurking, punctuated with a bit of unreasoned and illogical bandwagon hopping and a

joke vote more then a month into the game, and then he just stopped posting all

together.

I agree.
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I think you're reaching here. The more

obvious assumption is that the reply was subliminally based off the fact that the

people attacking him assumed he was lying about not reading his role pm. When you

look at it from that point of view, his reply makes perfect sense. The fact that you

are stretching to try and fit everything he does into a negative light does not make

me feel better about your attacks on him.

The more obvious assumption is one that requires subliminal psychological analysis?

Isn't the more obvious assumption that he just screwed up and said something scummy?

Actually, to me Quag's reply made sense. Though I don't get the psychoanalysis crap

MoS is talking about.
Most (maybe all) people accusing Quag now read it his meassages only what they want

to read. This attitue isn't helping.

FOS: Bookitty

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Long days can be productive if they aren't clogged up by inane tunnel-

vision attacks on people whose alignment can clearly not be determined that day.

[...] It's all about what you do with the time you use. This town, or more

specifically, you, TS, are frittering away the pages with useless chatter that only

serves to distract the town away from finding scum. One could almost make the

connection that you are purposefully pursuing this crusade against Quagmire to keep

the town from actually finding scum today.

MoS is right and makes sense.
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I just want a lynch. 50 pages and no D1 lynch is ridiculous. I'll

even vote Quag at this point if he's the leading wagon, even though I think he's

town. Any of them could be scum and anything will give us information.

Now THIS is so scummy.

FOS: Setael

Still, I'm not letting Kscope lurk his way to not be lynched. If he starts to play

pro-townish soon, I think I'll vote TS, who does not use her mind and acts blindly

and provides distraction for scum at best or is trying to play so obvious as scum and

then try to WIFOM her way out of being lynched at worst.

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Zu Faul, you're aware [...] that your whole case on KScope is that he's a lurker?

Wrong. Try to read my posts instead of lying about me. Thank you.

I also get the sense you haven't read a lot of things that happened lately. Have you?

I have.

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I don't like how Bookitty and TS put me up as a scummy player without ever explicitely mentioning it nor giving reasons.

Also look out for a TS/shismatized connection. Everyone on the KScopewagon is scummy to TS. Also her post in which she defended shismatized without shis being attacked.

As for KScope: Bangwagon jumping (at the beginning of the game I should mention before TS starts to yell) and not posting anything significant although being attacked (this does not only mean not posting at all, but also posting useless crap).

(maybe I am a bit overagressive towards lurkers, but I played Mutual Assured Destruction Mafia. Ask Yos about it).

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@Bookitty:

As for KScope: Bangwagon jumping (at the beginning of the game I should mention before TS starts to yell) and not posting anything significant although being attacked (this does not only mean not posting at all, but also posting useless crap).

I'm sorry, this was probably easy to misunderstand. My apologies.
I accused KScope of Bandwagon jumping at the early stage of the game.

So... he posts very little, and sparingly, yet - there is a disprotionate amount of see-saw'ing and inconsistency that, frankly, strike me as leaning scum, rather than leaning town.

I don't want to contribute to the spamming in the thread. I think I have been quite consistent, voting for the same person for one-and-a-half months. Don't understand what you mean with "inconsistency".

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Umm.. now I don't think we want to discuss whether he should tell his target or not, at least, and we can have some real discussion.

TS, don't you want to lynch Quagmire anymore? If no, why not?
Also:

Players I'm willing to vote for today:
Panzer (who rushed to lynch Kscope in a way that prevented him to claim)
hasdagas (who rushed to hammer Kscope in a way that prevented him to claim)

Hypocrisy. You were calling for a lynch almost all of Day 1.

2) Why does nobody listen to my case against Bookitty? It's a good case indeed.

What is your case other than OMGUS and that she doesn't act reasonable (which is what I gathered from rereading your posts)?

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Because I'm waiting for your reply to my question first.

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No, it was directed at quag... was sarnath'ed

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Notice the "re" in front of "build" TS.

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You guys are soooo right - Quagmire is so town, it makes my eyes bleed. He's so refreshingly straightforward, so guilelessly honest, so extremely solicitous, so hellbent on finding scum despite the rest of us trying to put sticks in the spokes of his wheels. He wouldn't, say, try to build a case (or be too lazy to) against one of the most logical and useful players in this game like Bookitty, I mean, himself! Noooooo...

Who is this directed at? Seteal and me?

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I really don't buy hasdfgas as scum. He posts some sense, especially when replying to sikario.

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A point? Have I missed something? I thought it was no more than gut feeling on BM's part.

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TS I literally want to strangle you right now. You're attitude is insufferable. = |

I mean seriously.

WHY WON'T YOU ALL BE LOGICAL!? WHY MUST YOU MAKE BABIES CRY!?

I wasn't being illogical at all. OMGUS.

How can this ever be OMGUS?

Vote: TS

You are jumping on everything which moves.

You're voting Quag, Seteal say something aber panzer, then you're voting panzer, BM says soemthing about IH, then you say that you could see yourself voting for IH. (while not explicitely voting for him, as that would be too obvious, you're already setting up a vote on him.)


Also, BM, what is your point again IH other than feeling?

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Zu_Faul is so scum. He has a bee in his bonnet about my OMGUS comment. Long hand, it's "OMG you suck" - as in, "OMG you suck Zu_faul" - I'm not suggesting that there's an OMGUS vote, because I wasn't voting for Zu_Faul and he wasn't voting for me. His vote is rubbish but at least it helps the game MOVE ALONG. For this he ougth to be commended.

We could have an etymological debate, but I just understood OMGUS like most persons on this board would: Someone voted you and you're upset over that. But good that you explained it. I didn't vote you because of that anyway.
Also calm down. I'm not scum just because I'm voting you.

BM, why do you say I was tagging along for the bandwagon? There was no bandwagon, only your vote, and I didn't vote for IH. Are you misrepresenting me on purpose, or is it a mistake?

You were preapring to get on that wagon. I explained it in another post of mine.

Why is erg0 high on your list? Just for his Peers suspicion, or do you have other reasons?

What do you think of Panzer and Jordan? And IH?

I believe ABR is a mason.

ABR, can you please answer these questions? Your opinion is important, because since you are probably a mason, it is the opinion with the least possible taint at the moment.

Yeah, let's jsut assume a role for someone and follow that person around! How clever this is! [/irony]

TS, you also ignored IH's questions, which I'd also like to have answered.

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I argued, and I still believe, that if you have not read your role PM, you are NOT acting as town. You are acting neutrally, on behalf of yourself alone. Why would you scumhunt if you thought there was a chance you would catch someone who would turn out to be your buddy? And in fact, I didn't see any evidence that Quagmire was actually scumhunting before he decided to announce he hadn't read his role PM. (I didn't regard his joining MoS in a policy lynch as scumhunting.)

This is actually a really excellent point.

It's not if you know how to motivate yourself.

Psychologically, I imagine that knowing you are town will be a much greater incentive to scum-hunt than not knowing your role at all.

If you are a main actor in getting a certain player lynched and that player turns up scum people's initial reaction would be to assume you're not mafia as well. I don't think you'd hold back.

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If we're going down this track, Panzer is my preference. The main reason I wasn't already voting him was that it looked like he was being replaced, but if that's not happening then I have no problem lynching him.

That's about the shittiest reason I've ever heard for voting someone.

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If we're going down this track, Panzer is my preference. The main reason I wasn't already voting him was that it looked like he was being replaced, but if that's not happening then I have no problem lynching him.

That's about the shittiest reason I've ever heard for voting someone.

Um, that was my reason for

not

voting him. Am I missing the point here?

Sorry. Reading is tech.

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Jordan concerns me somewhat. He has a made a few good points throughout the game, but his strong pushing against Quag (Coupled with the shift in his position) along with his lurking makes him a worry. At this stage, I think Jordan is about 60%.

60% scum I assume. Then why are you not voting for him?

Because TS is obvtown IMO, I find her to be mostly logical

You must be reading a different game than I do. Please redirect me to the game where TS is logical.

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Erg0 is correct.

Each player starts at 50% which is neutral. Then I move them up or down depending. 60% is slightly scummy. I usually do not vote until someone tips 70%.

OK. Slightly weird to me, but I get it.

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vote: hasd

Do you have a PR or a you scum?

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5: Doesn't think MoS's policy-lynch of TS is protown. Suggests MoS might be bad scum

I wasn't suggesting that MOS may be bad scum, I was pointing out to ABR he could be bad scum instead of being a Jester

How is this not suggesting that he may be bad scum??

6: FoSes schism for dodging arguments. Actually, I don't think schism did dodge anything because the debate he had with Yos ended in a theory disagreement. So, it was sensible of schism to do an "agree to disagree". Votes MoS and demands participation.

Quite often, when people say "Fine, I'll agree to disagree with you, I won't argue with you anymore", it tends to be because they cannot think of a decent reply to whatever the other guy just said, so they say that as a "Get out of Jail Free Card"

Seems to me that shis just wanted to end the discussion, though I don't think it is a scum tell - it was a matter of opinion after all. May still be worth remembering to see if he does something like that again.

I think Jordan rather is protown, vollkan as well.

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. I have looked closer at zu_faul lately though, and have found nothing useful from him at all. It's as though he's a parrot, chirping out what others have said and jumping on the easy bandwagons.

Who was it again who started the KScope wagon, when there was no one else voting for him? So much for parrotting. Maybe have someone read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyslexia for you. Slowly.

I'll reply to vollkan when I got more time.

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If they are alive, I kill them, if they're dead, I bring them back to life. Last night, it took me a long while to decide whether to target Peers or Quag, because I would have been targeting each for a different reason.

Hasdagas' scenario would mean that the scum did NOT target the Doctor. The vig wouldn't kill the Doctor. The SK doesn't need to kill the Doctor,

if there is an SK, he's capable of avoiding being investigated

. But the scum has to kill the doctor. Bizarre.

(emphasis added)

How do you know that? Very interesting that TS knows something about SK powers. Vote stays obv.
[Also was has being able to avoid being investigated got to do with not killing the doc?]

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Analysis of Zu_faul

0: Congrats schism for his bday
1: Votes TS. No explanation.
2: Votes Sikario. 5th on wagon. Says Sik's starting an alternative wagon was scummy as hell. No further case, etc given.

WTF? Sik didn't start a new wagon, he was the third on. What kind of case do you expect on page 6?

3: Says a post by Peers "seems like a scum tell" (interesting wording). Says that "Together with your other posts lately it's more like a scumscream, then a scumtell." Unvotes.
4: Joines Peers wagon. No case at all.

Because the reason was in the other post? I'm really stunned, becasue at least in your pbp you must have seen this.

5: Tells not to speculate about absurd roles.
6: A week later, unvotes because "peers seems good"
7: Doesn't buy the Jordan wagon. Votes Kscope for not posting anything significant (POT KETTLE BLACK) and wagon-jumping (POT KETTLE BLACK)

I think what KScope did was quite worse than what I did. I'm not gonna do a pbp of him, but just look at his posts 7, 10, etc. spam

8: When asked about why he left Peers, simply quotes the "Peers is good" post.
9: Would vote Sik, but doesn't want to let Kscope "lurk to victory"
10: Opposes the Quag role PM lynch. Thinks Sik is very scummy (Why?) and keeps on Kscope.

Sik was scummy for role fishing, spamming, maybe something else I forgot.

11: Says ABR is "not the one we're looking for today."
12: Doesn't answer BM's questions about why he thinks ABR is pro-town, and instead asks BM why he suspects ABR

Applying innocent until proven guilty. Would do this again, each time.

13: Suggests lurker lynch of kscope
14: "I just don't think ABR is scummy in this game"
15: Is glad people are voting scope
16: Promises to post
17: Vitriol against TS. Just a whole lot of "I agrees". Keeps on Kscope but expresses an intention to vote TS "who does not use her mind and acts blindly"

"A whole lot of "I agrees""? There were exactly two "I agree" in there, when I qutoted the other stuff I used them as signs of scumminess.. 8 quotes and two agreements don't make a whole lot.

18: Denies that he is pushing a lurker lynch of Kscope.
19: Reiterates the above POT KETTLE BLACK stuff

I also give other points, which you conviniently ignore. It's still not pot calling the kettle black, regardless of how many times you may say so.

20: Doesn't want to add to spamming, as an excuse for his dismal effort
21: Calls TS a hypocrite for her attacks on people rushing lynches. Asks Quag to explain his case on Book
22: Is waiting for reply
23: Question was directed at quag
24: "Notice the "re" in front of "build" TS. "

If you just quote it this way it seems that the post was absolutely meaningless. You just do whatever suits your agenda best.

25: Asks if TS directed a post at Set and himself
26: "I really don't buy hasdfgas as scum. He posts some sense, especially when replying to sikario. "
27: "A point? Have I missed something? I thought it was no more than gut feeling on BM's part. "
28: Votes TS for "jumping on everything which moves". Oh gosh, because we couldn't have someone actually taking action against scumtells! Why, that might actually

catch scum

Because we don't accomplish anything if there's everyone hopping onto everything?

29: Tells TS to calm down after she attacked his terrible vote for her.
30: Theory
31: After Erg0 was he WASN'T voting Panzer because Panzer was being replaced, Zu says: "That's about the shittiest reason I've ever heard for voting someone." He's clearly paying no attention at all.

I have misread. I think it's not nice that you don't allow people to make mistakes.

32: Apologises for misreading
33: Asks why I am not voting Jordan
34: Acknowledges my % system
35: Asks if Schism has a PR or is scum
36: Thinks Jordan and I are protown

Actually, scratch that. I'm not so sure anymore that you are protown. I believe while doing the pbp for me, you became quite keen on the idea that I was scum. The tone of your later comments just shows that you didn't look at my posts objectively anymore after a certain point, but instead followed your believe and just tried to find evidence for that and ignored anything contradictory.

In other news I believe cow's claim. Makes sense.

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I think I was unclear on the last bit. I still have Jordan as rather pro town.

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Analysis of Zu_faul

0: Congrats schism for his bday
1: Votes TS. No explanation.
2: Votes Sikario. 5th on wagon. Says Sik's starting an alternative wagon was scummy as hell. No further case, etc given.

WTF? Sik didn't start a new wagon, he was the third on. What kind of case do you expect on page 6?

You're right. He didn't start the wagon. I misread the votes. Anyway, that isn't the point. You voted him for joining a BW, without either explaining how that is scummy (eg. by giving meta-evidence) or by presenting any further case. And, whilst on page 6 I don't expect an enormous volume, you were the one who called his vote "scummy as hell". With that sort of language, you better have some arguments in reserve.

I said it was scummy because of the timing. That's a reason right there. Also: I don't generally (explicitely) use meta-evidence as I probably play too few games to use it (exception is coming up); I never got voted / not voted because of a meta reason as well. And that I sometimes use strong language instead of hiding the meaning of my words you should have noticed by now.

3: Says a post by Peers "seems like a scum tell" (interesting wording). Says that "Together with your other posts lately it's more like a scumscream, then a scumtell." Unvotes.
4: Joines Peers wagon. No case at all.

Because the reason was in the other post? I'm really stunned, becasue at least in your pbp you must have seen this.

Ha! No. See, I don't count "This post seems like a scum tell. Together with your other posts lately it's more like a scumscream, then a scumtell." as a case. That's you asserting something is scummy. Saying in one post: "X is scummy". Then saying: "Vote: X for previous reasons" is NOT a case. This marks the second time that you use bombast language to jump on something without explaining your reasoning. That smacks of laying low.

How does "use bombast language" equal "laying low"? I don't get that.

5: Tells not to speculate about absurd roles.
6: A week later, unvotes because "peers seems good"
7: Doesn't buy the Jordan wagon. Votes Kscope for not posting anything significant (POT KETTLE BLACK) and wagon-jumping (POT KETTLE BLACK)

I think what KScope did was quite worse than what I did. I'm not gonna do a pbp of him, but just look at his posts 7, 10, etc. spam

Oh right...Kscope is worse because he doesn't even pretend to making a contribution, unlike yourself. This vote was completely hypocritical. By all means, when it gets to 20+ pages and, relative to yourself, someone isn't contributing, a pressure vote is fine. But NOT when you yourself are effectively just as useless.

I don't think my contribution was pretended.

8: When asked about why he left Peers, simply quotes the "Peers is good" post.
9: Would vote Sik, but doesn't want to let Kscope "lurk to victory"
10: Opposes the Quag role PM lynch. Thinks Sik is very scummy (Why?) and keeps on Kscope.

Sik was scummy for role fishing, spamming, maybe something else I forgot.

Show me evidence of role-fishing (And explain why you didn't give this evidence at the time). Explain why spamming = scum (Did you meta-check Kscope and find out he spams as scum?). You weren't pushing him for pressure, because you were calling him scum.

It was obvious that he was role fishing. He right out asked Quagmire to claim. Spamming is simply lurking while pretending to be there. Therefore, scummy.

11: Says ABR is "not the one we're looking for today."
12: Doesn't answer BM's questions about why he thinks ABR is pro-town, and instead asks BM why he suspects ABR

Applying innocent until proven guilty. Would do this again, each time.

No. He asks you a question; it's up to you to answer. Making a statement that you think someone is pro-town is taking a definite stance on them. Saying you "don't suspect" ABR is holding him innocent until proven guilty.

Well, I didn't suspect ABR, because he played like he played in the other two or three games I played with him and he was pro-town (this is the meta thing I mentioned above). I assumed that he was infamous enough that I didn't need to say that.

13: Suggests lurker lynch of kscope
14: "I just don't think ABR is scummy in this game"
15: Is glad people are voting scope
16: Promises to post
17: Vitriol against TS. Just a whole lot of "I agrees". Keeps on Kscope but expresses an intention to vote TS "who does not use her mind and acts blindly"

"A whole lot of "I agrees""? There were exactly two "I agree" in there, when I qutoted the other stuff I used them as signs of scumminess.. 8 quotes and two agreements don't make a whole lot.

You miss my point. This was your promised big content post. Let's run through each:
1) Vitriol, as I said.
2) Answer a question
3) Swipe at TS for wanting a lynch
4) "I agree"
5) "To me quag made sense" You just declare your agreement with quag. Then you FoS boo for not reading quag properly, when you yourself fail to explain your agreement.
6) Another agreement
7) "Now THIS is so scummy. FOS: Setael" Thankyou for that enlightening explanatoin.
Then you move on to again attack Kscope.

For a promised content post, the number of "I agrees", factored into the quality of the rest of it, is dismal. No, there were not a majority of responses that were "I agree" - but most of the other responses were totally unexplained

1) It did not only consist of curses, but also had content.
5) People were not understanding or misunderstanding Quag. I just said that hat he said makes sense to me. Hard to find any reason for something like that, so nothing to explain.
7) See me giving more explanation in the future.

18: Denies that he is pushing a lurker lynch of Kscope.
19: Reiterates the above POT KETTLE BLACK stuff

I also give other points, which you conviniently ignore. It's still not pot calling the kettle black, regardless of how many times you may say so.

Why do you neglect to mention that the other points were NOT about Kscope.

You also ignored it in your review (black), but you decided to ignore them altogether instead of saying that they were about something else (because that fits your agenda better?)

So, let's look at these "other points":
1) You don't like Boo and TS suspecting you without reasons (Because you're such a stellar example of well-thought out reasoning, aren't you?)

Yeah, it's bad when I do, but I may not say so when others do it

2) You suggest a TS/Schism connection because she defended schis without him being attacked (and that makes a scummy connection?)

This is some evidence towards a connection. You are the one suggesting to jump on everything.

As for the pot-kettle hypocrisy, I will quote exactly what you said on Kscope:

As for KScope: Bangwagon jumping (at the beginning of the game I should mention before TS starts to yell) and not posting anything significant although being attacked (this does not only mean not posting at all, but also posting useless crap).

These are the same reasons as way back in post 7:

He did not post anything significant and did a bit of bandwagon jumping.

20: Doesn't want to add to spamming, as an excuse for his dismal effort
21: Calls TS a hypocrite for her attacks on people rushing lynches. Asks Quag to explain his case on Book
22: Is waiting for reply
23: Question was directed at quag
24: "Notice the "re" in front of "build" TS. "

If you just quote it this way it seems that the post was absolutely meaningless. You just do whatever suits your agenda best.

I do this a lot when I make my pbps for quotes that are short and which I don't get any meaning out of. It saves commenting on them, since I can just quote the whole thing to explain my lack of comment. I don't mean to call this meaningless

No offense taken.

25: Asks if TS directed a post at Set and himself
26: "I really don't buy hasdfgas as scum. He posts some sense, especially when replying to sikario. "
27: "A point? Have I missed something? I thought it was no more than gut feeling on BM's part. "
28: Votes TS for "jumping on everything which moves". Oh gosh, because we couldn't have someone actually taking action against scumtells! Why, that might actually

catch scum

Because we don't accomplish anything if there's everyone hopping onto everything?

Wrong. Jumping on scumtells is a good way to spark argument, which is the best way to move towards an informed lynch. TS's play was precisely what was needed.

Wrong. Maybe it's good for the first few pages, but it didn't help then.

29: Tells TS to calm down after she attacked his terrible vote for her.
30: Theory
31: After Erg0 was he WASN'T voting Panzer because Panzer was being replaced, Zu says: "That's about the shittiest reason I've ever heard for voting someone." He's clearly paying no attention at all.

I have misread. I think it's not nice that you don't allow people to make mistakes.

I didn't say I was condemning you for it. I just took it as evidence of the level of attention you are paying

32: Apologises for misreading
33: Asks why I am not voting Jordan
34: Acknowledges my % system
35: Asks if Schism has a PR or is scum
36: Thinks Jordan and I are protown

Actually, scratch that. I'm not so sure anymore that you are protown. I believe while doing the pbp for me, you became quite keen on the idea that I was scum. The tone of your later comments just shows that you didn't look at my posts objectively anymore after a certain point, but instead followed your believe and just tried to find evidence for that and ignored anything contradictory.

Aw...diddums

Sorry that I thwarted your cunning plan.

In other news I believe cow's claim. Makes sense.

[zu_Faul]

Just a heads-up. I have very busy two weeks. It will all be better starting Saturday.

[zu_Faul]

Hai guyz ,checkx0rz outz mah META so u c I am not teh scum!11!!one

[zu_Faul]

Ah, I now see the crux of your point, Xyl: it wasn't my ratings per se, but the fact I hadn't listed Cow and yourself as town.

As I have said, I was aware of the fact you had claimed. And I do reasonably think you are pro-town. At the point when you asked me the question, I responded by looking back at my PBPs. Nobody had less than 50%. I didn't factor the claims into my considerations when I answered, and I should have.

But you did not say that at the time you made the post. You can just make up bullshit right now. I'd like people for being accountable for what they write, so you should have provided us with your reasonings earlier! (isn't that like your Point of View, people are to be held acccountable?)

[zu_Faul]

I am also giving you some of my thoughts.

TS: When you calm down you are much more reasonable and use better logic. You actually start to make sense now

Unvote

.

shismatized: Ok, he is useless. Is he scum? There's no way to know. Should we lynch him? Scum is not going to kill him either way. If he continues to play this way we should lynch him; if he comes up pro-town, I'm never gonna play a game with him again. I hope at least some of you will do the same.
Same applies to BM, to a lesser degree.

bookitty: She needs to give actual info on the meta read of BM. Otherwise it's not worth anything. She mentions a lot that she was one of three people posting for a long time Day 1 when no one else was; these posts did not consist of anything bringing the game further, i.e. they were lurker posts (

This is a scum tell because she is faking participation which is a greater scum tell imo than not posting at all. Scum would in most cases be too nervous to actually stop posting at all.

)
Brings up the insertion of the word "pretty" as defence. (

This is a scum tell because she brings up a counter argument which in reality is none

)
Thinks pro-town players are players who agree with her (

note to self: in next game I'm scum with her, always agree with her and try to anticipate who she thinks is scummy. No way she'll think I'm scummy

).

Xyl: I have not found anything that makes Xyl look scummy. He plays consistently pro-townish. (Yes, I know that he is the mason.)

@Shanba You have to update in the first post that Sir Tornado was replaced by spambot

Spambot: Arguing with Bookitty only as of now. In a way it is his "fault" that the guy before him lurked. At least the suspicions would carry over. It would be scummy not to do this. Needs to finish reading the thread.

vollkan: His way of doing the pbp and only then giving out percentages is retarded. Sorry, but if most will end up >50% afterwards it's not of much use and he is just voting for someone who had the virtue of being one of the first victims of a pbp.

(this is a scumtell because he is pretending to have reasons, while infact he would find reasons on everyone - also this allows him to easily skip his scumbuddies)

Also, see my above post. [Pot-kettle-black!]

[zu_Faul]

Oh, I guess you want a vote.
I'm gonna give shis a last chance.

Vote:Bookitty

[zu_Faul]

vollkan: His way of doing the pbp and only then giving out percentages is retarded. Sorry, but if most will end up >50% afterwards it's not of much use and he is just voting for someone who had the virtue of being one of the first victims of a pbp.

(this is a scumtell because he is pretending to have reasons, while infact he would find reasons on everyone - also this allows him to easily skip his scumbuddies)

Also, see my above post. [Pot-kettle-black!]

You may think it a scumtell (Why? You have evidence scum do this?) but I suggest you meta me if you think it is. You will find that I do this in every game. I also recall being criticised for this method as well, but I stick to it.

I said why it is a scumtell. No I have not seen scum do this; neither have I seen town do this. So I just use my logic.

What is with YagamiLight? He hasn't posted for very long. Don't forget him.
Shis, you have one last chance to cooperate in this game. Say who you find scummy.

The theme of this game seems to be people taunting each other, so I readily admit my enthusiasm for it has been probably permanently dimmed as well. I had a case on Battle Mage about half lined out but really, I don't see the point when people are substituting insult and self-announced trolling for any kind of actual analysis.

I'd like to hear it though. Pleeeeease

[zu_Faul]

vollkan: His way of doing the pbp and only then giving out percentages is retarded. Sorry, but if most will end up >50% afterwards it's not of much use and he is just voting for someone who had the virtue of being one of the first victims of a pbp.

(this is a scumtell because he is pretending to have reasons, while infact he would find reasons on everyone - also this allows him to easily skip his scumbuddies)

Also, see my above post. [Pot-kettle-black!]

You may think it a scumtell (Why? You have evidence scum do this?) but I suggest you meta me if you think it is. You will find that I do this in every game. I also recall being criticised for this method as well, but I stick to it.

I said why it is a scumtell. No I have not seen scum do this; neither have I seen town do this. So I just use my logic.

Another brilliant piece of evasiveness from zu faul.

He gives a vague "logic" excuse in the place of any evidence (What's your "logic" then?)

But, more importantly, my continued and prolonged use of this system he ignores completely. Let me ask the question bluntly: @ZU: What does the fact that I use this system as town and as scum mean?

Where is that evasive? Logic isn't vague.

Why should I comment on your prolonged use of your system? ADHS?

Your system is flawed:
Suppose a player makes only one post a day, which contains a vote, for every game he is in, regardless of his role. That player is like you. Clearly unreadable, only able to "find scum", never to find someone who is not scum. And totally useless for town. And he rarely lynches scum.

[zu_Faul]

Where is that evasive? Logic isn't vague.

You said:

I said why it is a scumtell. No I have not seen scum do this; neither have I seen town do this. So I just use my logic.

It's unclear what "logic" you are using. What's your reasoning?

I already gave my reasoning. You are using a system which makes hardly any sense as a pro-town player. Therefore, you are anti-town, just as lurkers are.

Why should I comment on your prolonged use of your system? ADHS?

What is ADHS? The reason you should comment on my prolonged use of this system is as follows:

If Player Y does X in every game s/he plays, regardless of alignment, than X cannot be taken as indicative of Player Y's alignment.

While that's true, wouldn't you lynch a player who has "lurks" as X? Or someone who never reads his role before Night 1 (hint: relevance to this game). Only you are pushing blame on others.

Your system is flawed:
Suppose a player makes only one post a day, which contains a vote, for every game he is in, regardless of his role. That player is like you. Clearly unreadable, only able to "find scum", never to find someone who is not scum. And totally useless for town. And he rarely lynches scum.

You are wrong here.

A player who only votes is not accountable. They give no reasoning. They just vote and leave the rest of the players to try and work out how to deal with them.

In contrast, I rely on giving reasons for everything. Hence my enormous analyses. If people want to take issue with me, they only need to read what I have said and argue against me. I try to make myself as open and accountable as possible.

Crap reasons / reasons without value (because you got something on everyone) also make you not accountable.

My system is, also, far from useless. Read my recent town games. My system has given me reasonable success. Usually, people end up above 50% (That's due to my own views about scumtells and towntells, not the system itself) but I do end up differentiating town from scum. Town are more likely to have a lower ranking.

I call luck.

Besides, we might end up lynching zu_faul at the end of the day anyway. I agree that he is a good choice.

Why should I be that?
What is your case against BM? Why are you wanting to quicklynch him, when he may still provide input?

Also, where is Bookitty? I'm waiting for anything from BM or shis.

[zu_Faul]

unvote, vote: shismatized

DIAF.

[zu_Faul]

Setael, I've been saying I'm willing to lynch shis for quite a while now; his last post before I voted him convinced me that he doesn't deserve another chance. That TS voted him before me is coincidence. If I'd saw that post before her, she would have been the second one (well, actually the sixth one) to put a vote on him.

[zu_Faul]

/out of town until saturday

[zu_Faul]

Could you all please stop acting like 4-year-olds?

ALL OF YOU!

Thank you.

We can't really draw any new conclusions until we see shis' alignment (though it's doubtable if this holds a lot of new information). If someone could, he/she should have done it earlier. Let's hope Shanba returns and locks this thread soon, so we can return to PLAY MAFIA.

[zu_Faul]

The end of the day vote count is wrong. Sishmatized wasn't voting for himself, that was me.
I don't think hasdgfas information will hurt us. The scum will know who his target was anyway, since he stopped that kill. Would a vig really fire?

[zu_Faul]

I'm back.

Obviously,

vote: erg0

No, you are not. You are dead.

[zu_Faul]

Apologies, there was a mod error.

Well, maybe one could say that a mod error is more likely to happen with certain roles, but would that be unethical?

[zu_Faul]

what??

Vote: Zu Faul

Yes there is a reason for this. lol

BM

obviously there is a reason. Shanba said it was mod error. What are you voting me for?

[zu_Faul]

Ah. You meant a reason for voting me.

Now that's stupid. You vote me for nothing and hope a bandwagon forms on me, after some guys yesterday already said they were suspicious of me.

Vote: Battle Mage

[zu_Faul]

Stupid was the wrong word. I meant scummy.

[zu_Faul]

what??

Vote: Zu Faul

Yes there is a reason for this. lol

BM

Thank you for reading the game hasdgfas

[zu_Faul]

BM said there was a reason but he never mentioned one. So there was none other than trying to start a baseless wagon. It's not OMGUS, it's reasonable to say it's scummy.

[zu_Faul]

what??

Vote: Zu Faul

Yes there is a reason for this. lol

BM

Thank you for reading the game hasdgfas

Thank you for not realizing that he switched his vote to TS in the post immediately before yours.

So what?

[zu_Faul]

Because you are scum and saw no one hopped on it.

[zu_Faul]

I thought you had "improved" and didn't do dumb things like randomly voting people for no good reason at all Day 3.
Maybe scummy was the wrong word in this case and it was stupid. Your play makes as few sense as scum as it does as town.

unvote

.

[zu_Faul]

Vote: elvis_knits

YL hadn't posted enough to be remarkably scummy, but I remember some things which were quite weird if he was protown. He was really either posting that he'll post later or argueing with Quagmire about not reading his role pm. He made one post where he actually made some cases and one post argueing with hasdgfas about his statements before his claims. Look at it yourselves: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... start=2250

Mert made three posts without anyrealy content so nothing to gather from that.

Elvis_Knits now is totally bloodthirsty for TS's blood. As we haven't found scum yet, they don't need many mislynches more than we already had to win. Focussing on a player who has already been accused quite a lot does seem like a very good play for scum. Good thing I am here to point out this logic

I've only read like 6 pages and I am suspicious of neo-viper/flameaxe. Probably premature, but wanted to update you all. I'll try to get more done today. Yesterday I didn't get much time to read.

Update hasn't happened. Instead more than half of her posts were only focused on TS.

[zu_Faul]

Didn't cow want to tell us who he targeted? Just sayin, maybe that could help clearing someone.

[zu_Faul]

Since when is Zu_Faul a likely scum target?

He's not....

But still you are voting for me. Something doesn't seem right.

I am not sure who I want to lynch after reading everything but my top suspects are TS and EK

Could you give any reasons? I find it interesting to say the least that you picked two people accusing each other.

[zu_Faul]

Since when is Zu_Faul a likely scum target?

He's not....

But still you are voting for me. Something doesn't seem right.

I'm voting for you because I don't think that scum would target you, therefore someone did, and I suspect a vig. Plus, you've been likely scum for a while now.

Do I have to point out where he contradicts himself, or do you all see this yourselves?

[zu_Faul]

Since when is Zu_Faul a likely scum target?

He's not....

But still you are voting for me. Something doesn't seem right.

I'm voting for you because I don't think that scum would target you, therefore someone did, and I suspect a vig. Plus, you've been likely scum for a while now.

Do I have to point out where he contradicts himself, or do you all see this yourselves?

Damnit. My reading comprhension sucks. I read TS's question as: "Since when is zu_Faul a likely scum?"

I don't really understand e_k's argument. Not that I find hasdafgas' claim too believable with a Doc and a Jailkeeper down. But it seems grasped out of thin air, I don't think this is implied at all.


Hi DizzyIzzy. Have fun reading the game.

[zu_Faul]

Damnit. My reading comprhension sucks. I read TS's question as: "Since when is zu_Faul a likely scum?"

Elvis' point is still valid, no? What I am missing?

I don't see the implication.

[zu_Faul]

I've done that. I fail to see the case for lynching someone based on the minor league case you've presented. Unless I'm missing something, which would be helped by a restatement of your case.

So you'd rather sit around, doing nothing, not even voting and wait for the townies to lynch each other? Great way to make scum win this game.

[zu_Faul]

Now it just has to stay this way...

[zu_Faul]

Hey! It's Zu Faul's birthday! Happy birthday!

Thanks

[zu_Faul]

So I looked at zu_faul's posts in isolation and I see a fair amount of fighting/animosity between him and TS. Granted, some of it was like four months ago. But he does call her a retard several times. Yet he didn't want to lynch her yesterday.

That is not logical. Unless he's scum and found TS useful because she was helping get so many townies lynched.

vote zu_faul

Nice OMGUS. And I never palyed with TS before. I had to get used to her style. BTW you are still scum.

Vote: elvis_knits

BM's retarded as yesterday.

this is muy muy interesante , I MA leaning towards a Zu lynch as well, Im inclined to believe hasdhdgasadcow.

Yeah, let's not do some work and just jump on the forming bandwagon, yeah. **** you.

[zu_Faul]

I, personally, am going to reread zu after I get back from work today because I need to strengthen my case on him.

When you look at a player's posts with the intention on finding him scummy, you will always succeed. You have to approach my posts with an open mind.

[zu_Faul]

So I looked at zu_faul's posts in isolation and I see a fair amount of fighting/animosity between him and TS. Granted, some of it was like four months ago. But he does call her a retard several times. Yet he didn't want to lynch her yesterday.

That is not logical. Unless he's scum and found TS useful because she was helping get so many townies lynched.

vote zu_faul

Nice OMGUS. And I never palyed with TS before. I had to get used to her style. BTW you are still scum.

Vote: elvis_knits

You've never played with DGB??

No.

this is muy muy interesante , I MA leaning towards a Zu lynch as well, Im inclined to believe hasdhdgasadcow.

Yeah, let's not do some work and just jump on the forming bandwagon, yeah. **** you.

You make it sound like it's personal... 0.o

Tell me, do you have any suspicions that aren't doused in OMGUS?

BM[/quote]

It's not OMGUS what I did. I voted e_k for the reasons I stated yesterday. Like you did with me. Only the I had reason yesterday and you only a vague feeling.

[zu_Faul]

CPR doc kills his target, unless the target was also target of another kill, in which case all kills are prevented. Don't know what happens if there are two kills + cpr on one target.

[zu_Faul]

Hi.

In other news I believe cow's claim. Makes sense.

Not that I find hasdafgas' claim too believable with a Doc and a Jailkeeper down.

I'd like an explanation for why you switched your thoughts about me after I claimed to have targeted you, and was slightly suspicious of you.

The first one was Day 1, when there were no night actions to be concerned of, right?
Doc and Jailkeeper went down afterwards.

[zu_Faul]

Ah, OK.

Maybe I didn't really think it through at that time, and I saw you as a Vig. Heck, it has been months since the first post.

I don't really get why you would want to more or less randomly target someone at night. It's very possible that you are Mafia and are just afraid of a Watcher/Tracker.

Is there any reason hasdgfas shouldn't tell us last night's target?

[zu_Faul]

Hmm the Peers choice makes sense. But why would Zu Faul be targetted on Night 2?

BM

Because hasdgfas thought Zu_Faul was scum, and was trying to kill him. It seems like hasdgfas might have saved him instead, since he didn't die and the werewolf kill is apparently missing that night. I have no idea why the werewolves would try to kill Zu_Faul, but if they did, he obviously isn't one of them...

Thats what i'm saying. Why would the werewolves want to kill Z_F who hasnt claimed, and would be a good mislynch. Unless of course they thought Z_F was onto them.

BM

Read what I wrote again. I'm saying Zu_Faul is

not

a werewolf.

This is not what he is saying.

BM means that he thinks there is no reason why I should be targetted by the Werewolves, unless I was onto something when I accused them.

I also didn't see that Setael was not "eaten".

[zu_Faul]

Xyl, I can understand what you're saying, but I have a question for you.

Do you think the wolves would target zu two nights in a row?

Why do you want to kill me that bad

[zu_Faul]

Also, BM is denser than ever.

[zu_Faul]

Before me, zu voted BM, but I think that was at the beginning of the day after he was targetted by wolves. So I think we can discount that.

Before that, zu seems to have a fair amount of interaction with vollkan, and voted bookitty (which is not flameaxe).

Interesting enough, Flameaxe/bookitty was originally NeoViper, who I did not like when I read the first six pages of this game

vote flameaxe

Wait, Flameaxe was bookitty?

Vote: Flameaxe

[zu_Faul]

Though this is an obvious bussing attempt by e_k and we should lynch her tomorrow.

[zu_Faul]

I think some modkills would be good, to instill fear in the hearts of the lurkers.

[zu_Faul]

I propose, everyone who is willing to go through with this game posts here saying that they want to. The nwe can look what we want to do.
Maybe, in a group effort, we can do this. Everyone posting at least every other day. Sounds nice, don't you think?
I don't want this game to be abandoned.

[zu_Faul]

Even if Shanba is gone, isn't JDodge back up mod?

[zu_Faul]

I actually pmed JDodge.

[zu_Faul]

I actually pmed JDodge.[/quote

you...idiot... -.-

What?

[zu_Faul]

Hey guys.
I PMed the lsit mod yesterday. Don't give up all hope yet. Pleeeease.

[zu_Faul]

/inserts coin

[zu_Faul]

I'm gonna win this game.

[zu_Faul]

SCUM ROLEBLCOKER FTW!

[zu_Faul]

Erg0 and IH.

[zu_Faul]

Yeah, sorry guys. I really liked this setup, but while the setup elements worked how I wanted, other parts of the game weren't so good. do you all want me to post the setup, or are you just glad it's all over now?

I'd like to see the setup.

Yeah.