Mafia 73: NEGWLTWWWTKY - Abandoned!

[Sikario8]

i'm alive and reading

[Sikario8]

vote hasdgfas

for doing exactly in this game what he's voting me for in another game

[Sikario8]

FoS: Yosarian2

[Sikario8]

Okay, who are you guys that are voting for me? Other than has...

EBWOP: and my vote without reasoning wasn't a hammer btw.

Touché, btw

unvote: hasdgfs

[Sikario8]

Unvote
Vote:Sikario8

That's quite obvious. His vote was scummy as hell. Just when everyone called him out he voted on a bandwagon.

Hmm... I voted jokingly, why are you voting? Do you want my phone number?

[Sikario8]

Sikario-are you enjoying this game?

(i am going somewhere with this).

Don't even try it. [Warped]No, I'm HATING this game because I'm not scum. [/Warped inside joke]

Nice try, though

[Sikario8]

Unvote
Vote:Sikario8

That's quite obvious. His vote was scummy as hell. Just when everyone called him out he voted on a bandwagon.

Hmm... I voted jokingly, why are you voting? Do you want my phone number?

You were...joking? About what, exactally?

About voting hasd in general. I'm still a bit bitter from him whooping my ass in some other game he played with me. Him and AmberNJ tore me apart...and killed me, I think...

[Sikario8]

Sikario-are you enjoying this game?

(i am going somewhere with this).

Don't even try it. [Warped]No, I'm HATING this game because I'm not scum. [/Warped inside joke]

Nice try, though

answer the question-honestly please. Are you enjoying this game? Give it a mark out of 10.

Given the fact that I’ve played with only you and hasd before, I’d have to give this game – and this is so far due to my inability to access – a 7/10.

So if you warped that joke, and said you arn't scum, wouldn't that mean you actually said you are scum?

Nice try, nice logic, NO DEAL

Problem with the votecount: Zu_Faul is on twice, and I'm not on at all.

And, um... could someone explain the bandwagon on me? Is it because I apologized for being rude, or is there an actual reason behind it?

In an attempt to stay involved with the convo, I'll second this inquisition - if that's a word: Why are people voting Peers...? Wait, no, forget Peers - Why are people voting

me

? That's a much better questions.

[Sikario8]

@BM - I admire the way you, and players like you, look at the broader spectrum, i.e., checking other games in which I've participated; however, you failed to see why I replaced out of those games (as you stated).

I replaced out of some games because I didn't like the players or I figured some of their logic to be too hard to comprehend. Some of them I replaced out of purely because I was playing another game already and the latter game consisted of too lengthy posts. The reason I'm staying in this game is because I can understand some of you, such as hasd, and I feel I can make an earnest attempt at keeping up.

I also like your "I Don't Need An Avatar To Be Famous" playing style, so, yeah, it's all about living and learning and I'm trying to do both.

I did answer your question...right...?

[Sikario8]

Happy holidays, everyone.

A WEEK OUT OF SCHOOL!

[Sikario8]

Sikario8 has been active in other games this morning. Is he deliberately ignoring this one?

no, but, with limited time, i must prioritize. i'll get to you tommorow

[Sikario8]

WHATTA YOU WANT ME TO DO? BOAST MY IGNORANCE?!?

I'M DOING A HALF-ASSED JOB IN THE OTHER GAMES AND, IF I WERE TO CONTRIBUTE ON DEMAND, I'D DO A HALF-ASSED JOB IN THIS ONE AS WELL!

I remember from the last time that I was paying attention to this game that I didn't like Yosar; however, with recent happenings and a death in teh fucking family, I've FORGOTTEN WHY. Allow me to go back and refresh myself and I'll get back to you, otay?

[Sikario8]

hmm...

you know what, it's okay. death shouldn't penetrate one's sanity.

and, er, why did...toaster...goof...?

[Sikario8]

Where is jordan in his defense?

[Sikario8]

unvote
vote kscope

[Sikario8]

Original Roll String: 1d89

1 89-Sided Dice: (58) = 58

yea, k's scum...

[Sikario8]

YAY! You're here! What motivated you to become scum...?

[Sikario8]

We need more pressure on Jordan.

unvote Kscope

[Sikario8]

We need 10 to lynch right?

vote Jordan

[Sikario8]

unvote

you guys are confusing me and i'm mistaking you for ppl in other games who've presented their cases.

not that you guys are idiots or anything, it's just that i'm...whatever...

[Sikario8]

unvote
vote kscope

What was I thinking...?

[Sikario8]

Either way
[quote="zu_Faul"]I don't buy the Jordan wagon at all. Now it's just people randomly jumping on it and when Jordan comes back he has to defend himself against such rubbish.

Vote: KaleiÐoscøpe

He did not post anything significant and did a bit of bandwagon jumping.[/quote]
So are you off of Peers or simply shifting your attention to a more reasonable cause (whatever that may mean)?

[Sikario8]

Forgive me if this sounds a bit off the wall; however, I've been stricken as of late by the queer feeling that Peers and TS could be distancing. I don't know what to think of this; however, I just want to put it out there to be either shot down or exonerated.

FoS: Peers & Toaster Strudel

I mean, Peers has been in the spotlight for some time and, if she were to defend him, wouldn't TS be put on the spot as well? I don't know, I honestly don't - I'm just throwing something out there.

Vote Count:
3: Battle Mage

(Neo-Viper9, Kaleidoscope, Peers)

3: Kscope

(schismatized, Toaster Strudel, Battle Mage)

3: Peers

(Panzerjager, ABR, JordanA24)

2: NeoViper9

(Yosarian2, Erg0)

1: Paradox244

(Elmo)

1: MoS

(hasdgfas)

1: hasdgfas

(Peers)

1: Zu_Faul

(MoS)

1: Toaster Strudel

(Zu_Faul)

Not voting:

Sir Tornado, Sikario8, Paradox244, Mert

Vote count corrected

It’s crazy, but, way back then, they had their votes equally distributed; however, with the recent turn of attention to Peers,

Vote Count:
6: Peers

(hasdgfas, Mert, Erg0, Panzerjager, TS, schismatized)

4: Sikario8

(Neo-Viper9, Yosarian2, Sir Tornado, Kscope)

3: JordanA24

(Peers, MoS, Elmo)

1: Toaster Strudel

(Quagmire)

1: ABR

(Battle Mage)

1: Battle Mage

(ABR)

1: MoS

(JordanA24)

Not voting:

Zu_Faul, Sikario8

I'm missing a player... need to go find it.

Edit - found it.

they’ve jumped on his – I don’t want to say wagon – caboose to avoid easy detection. But then again, maybe Jordan’s on a different level cuz he’s still voting Peers when Peers has his vote on hasd. I don’t know.

[Sikario8]

...gtg

[Sikario8]

IGME(andmyvote)OY: Peers

vote: peers

[Sikario8]

IGME(andmyvote)OY: Peers

vote: peers

Wow. Under such a carefully thought-out and well-worded logical attack on me, I have no choice but to say every single part of your case is correct.

Of course, given that you have no parts to your case, it's rather easy.

Reasons, man, you need to give reasons!

::mulls it over and eventually shrugs half-heartedly::
Can we hurry and lynch him so that I don't have to provide any reason behind my vote...?

[Sikario8]

::sits back and looks to MoS and Yosar::

[Sikario8]

So, you're "policy lynching" DGB based on something that happened in a different game? That dosn't seem terribly helpful.

Anyway, I move that we just keep piling votes on MOS until he starts making sense. I know he can make sense, but he often refuses to do so until he's under sufficent pressure for some reason.

Let's lynch the bastard, I hate policies.

Whose the bastard?

[Sikario8]

Vote Count:

9: Quagmire

(Panzerjager, ABR, schismatized, Elmo, Toaster Strudel, Battle Mage, Peers, Kscope)

4: Peers

(hasdgfas, Mert, Erg0, Sikario8)

2: Sikario8

(Neo-Viper9, Sir Tornado)

2: Toaster Strudel

(Quagmire, MoS)

2: MoS

(JordanA24, Yos2)

1: Kscope

(Zu_Faul)

Not voting:

Does anyone need prods? Also, thanks Jdodge, for keeping things alive.

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Whoa...what happened...?

[Sikario8]

Vote Count:

9: Quagmire

(Panzerjager, ABR, schismatized, Elmo, Toaster Strudel, Battle Mage, Peers, Kscope)

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Whoa...what happened...?

Short version: Quag said he hasn't read his role PM yet. We all dogpiled on him despite not really being able to tell if a) he told the truth or b) if he's telling the truth now that

he says he read it

.

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Quagmire: What's your role? Anything good?

[Sikario8]

Vote Count:

9: Quagmire

(Panzerjager, ABR, schismatized, Elmo, Toaster Strudel, Battle Mage, Peers, Kscope)

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Whoa...what happened...?

Short version: Quag said he hasn't read his role PM yet. We all dogpiled on him despite not really being able to tell if a) he told the truth or b) if he's telling the truth now that

he says he read it

.

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Quagmire: What's your role? Anything good?

I'm not telling, and you really shouldn't be so

blatantly obvious

when you want to fish for information.

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Blatantly obvious would be your informing us that you haven't read your role PM.

[Sikario8]

unvote
vote Quagmire

[Sikario8]

Vote Count:

9: Quagmire

(Panzerjager, ABR, schismatized, Elmo, Toaster Strudel, Battle Mage, Peers, Kscope)

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Whoa...what happened...?

Short version: Quag said he hasn't read his role PM yet. We all dogpiled on him despite not really being able to tell if a) he told the truth or b) if he's telling the truth now that

he says he read it

.

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Quagmire: What's your role? Anything good?

I'm not telling, and you really shouldn't be so

blatantly obvious

when you want to fish for information.

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Blatantly obvious would be your informing us that you haven't read your role PM.

In no way was I fishing for information at all. I don't understand

what you're getting at

here?

Lynching me would be stupid. I'm on the town's side. Toaster Strudel is mafia,

from what I've gathered

. That's all that I'm going to say.

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What have you gathered?

•

What you did was incredibly anti-town. It shows blatant disregard for the town, in other words.

[Sikario8]

What have you gathered?

post 533

. look it up yourself.

What you did was incredibly anti-town. It shows blatant disregard for the town, in other words.

Uhh, no it doesn't. Explain where it does please. And I guarantee you that my observations (before I looked at my role, of course) come from a purely townsperson's perspective.

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Nice post

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Backing down: Your perspectives are town-ridden, yes, but it was the risk of you being anti-town that stood out. However, there's a risk of everyone being anti-town, so my post was pretty much baseless; therefore, I stand down - you are correct. Congratulations, Quag. I hope your role's interesting.

[Sikario8]

HAMMAH! who?

[Sikario8]

ABR's just being retarded again, as per usual.

That, or he's making an incredibly brilliant observation about how

you've decided to "stand down" but not unvote

...

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unvote

Even if he read his role pm its not like he can backtrack and go after someone else now.

He wasted his day1 and our time

, now we lynch him.

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Did anyone come up with a rebuttal for this?

I'm voting scum right now.

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Who is MoS voting for?

I'd rather lynch someone who is scum than someone who is useless for Day 1. Considering that there are actually people who seem like scum right now, we're better off lynching then than Quagmire.

I'm not so sure. I find it hard to see a mentality for Quag's play atm that falls in the protown category. If he doesnt want to play the game, Day 1 is the best time to get rid of him, as it also gains us info.

If we dont see anyone really standing out as scummy by the end of the day, i'm happy to just lynch him and be done with it.

BM

How can you assign an alignment to his mentality at all? The base assumption is that he hasn't read his role pm. Therefore, he doesn't know if he is protown or scum yet, so you obviously cannot make the assumption that he is scum OR town.

Everyone in the town would rather lynch scum than someone who is useless; that's the game. But in this case, nobody can agree just who seems scummy. At least, no more than a few people can agree. Quag is the first person the whole town has really gotten together on, to push to the point of hammering. It's day 1, we don't have much to go on and Quag sent up a huge signal fire to distract us.

I'd rather continue discussing things and come up with more suspects then decide Quagmire is a good compromise v

ote just because we can't decide on anyone else. The town has gotten together on Quagmire for no good reason. Just because they got together doesn't make it justified or good play.

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Here's to hoping you're defending him for pro-town reasons. ::cheers::

[Sikario8]

Meh. Even MoS doesn't look so great anymore.

just because someone disagrees with you and/or doesn't want to lynch Quag doesn't make them scum.

Even if he read his role pm its not like he can backtrack and go after someone else now.

He wasted his day1 and our time

, now we lynch him.

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Did anyone come up with a rebuttal for this?

Him not reading his role PM doesn't mean he's wasting anyone's time. If he's scum, it's a great play because then he's hard to read. If he's town, he can just play as a townie and not worry about any possible power role that he has. The reason our time is being wasted is because everyone's making such a big deal over this.

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Your opposition to this investigation, or mockery thereof, can be taken two ways. You can be genuinely upset that we're stuck on Quag and not hunting or you can be trying to preserve a scumbuddy. What if Quag's already looked at his role PM and what if you're his scumbuddy? Does this not imply that Quag

won't

change his playstyle and that, if we overlook him and you're his advocate, we'll consequently overlook you until you two NK everyone?

Quag, it may be helpful for you not to read your Role PM, but it seriously disadvantages the rest of us, since you don't know what your alignment is on Day 1, and, if you're scum, you don't know who your buddies are, that makes all of your posts on Day 1 completely useless for trying to find your alignment/possible scumbuddies. Even if you're town, it disadvantages the town, because now, everybody's talking about you not reading your Role PM, rather than discussing about who's scum, it just wastes time and clogs the thread, and puts unnecessary pressure on yourself.

I say we not worry about Quagmire's role PM at this point because as you say, it is what we're talking about instead of scum-hunting. We can try to find scumtells the same way as we do every game, except that one player doesn't know his role. This gives us an advantage because he's playing as a townie. If he changes his playstyle significantly tomorrow, or again says that he didn't read his role PM, we can lynch him then, but right now, he's on our side, no matter what his role PM says.

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Once again, we overlook Quag and we, consequently, overlook you.

If he is scum, it is more pro-town, because he'll be scum-hunting just like the rest of us

, so we might have one extra townie for at least a day.

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I say we lynch Quag and, once/if he turns up scum, we lynch has next; however, it's only a suggestion to the town.

unvote
vote Quagmire

[Sikario8]

EBWOP: I was a tad bit...rushed...

[Sikario8]

Your opposition to this investigation, or mockery thereof, can be taken two ways. You can be genuinely upset that we're stuck on Quag and not hunting or you can be trying to preserve a scumbuddy. What if Quag's already looked at his role PM and what if you're his scumbuddy? Does this not imply that Quag won't change his playstyle and that, if we overlook him and you're his advocate, we'll consequently overlook you until you two NK everyone?

Why in the world

, if he was my scumbuddy,

would he be so obvious about it?

Your vote reeks of opportunism,

especially after you had just "cooled off."

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What you believe to be obvious might not be obvious for everyone. Even still, obvious or not, whether he plays supergood or superbad, it's still scummy. I understand why you may want to fight my vote - I wouldn't want to be lynched either; however, he's wrong.

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Cooled off? Surely if anyone had any worthwhile reason to vote for me, they'd

still be voting for me

. Do

you

have a case against me?

[Sikario8]

So much BS, so little time..

Sikario, why attack Has and not myself? I agree with Has's stance about Quagmire.

Pursuing him today is NOT useful to the town in any way. This setup has

NO

incentive for Quagmire to pull a stunt like this as scum, so we'd only be getting lucky if he died and came up scum

. Given that he has a much higher probability of being town than scum, we're taking a crapshoot in the dark here just because we don't like that he didn't read his role pm. It's a bullshit justification for people trying to push a bad wagon on Day 1. And you trying to set up a 1-2 lynch on Quag and Has doesn't make it any better.

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If this makes sense to you, then that's good and I appreciate your input, but it doesn't make sense to me; however, I don't think I'm still voting Quag cuz I stood down...I think. If I haven't, I'll go back and check.

I say we lynch Quag and, once/if he turns up scum, we lynch has next; however, it's only a suggestion to the town.

Wow, setting up lynches now sikario?

And then saying that it's only a suggestion.

That is quite suspicious.

FoS: sikario

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I was going to comment on this, but ABR and Peers got to you first. How was I setting up lynches by making suggestions? No sarcasm here, but I'd appreciate if you'd help me out.

I think setting up lynches is more of a scumtell than OMGUS

.

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Who told you that? Also: Setting up lynches...?

Even if he read his role pm its not like he can backtrack and go after someone else now.

He wasted his day1 and our time

, now we lynch him.

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Did anyone come up with a rebuttal for this?

...so, because we don't have any information on him based on his early game play, we should speedlynch him rather then, say, get him to contribute on other issues and gain information based on what he says

NOW?

I'm thinking the best wagon for the moment is Toaster Strudel. She looks like over-eager scum to me.

unvote:MOS

vote:Toaster Strudel

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That wasn't what I was trying to imply. I was asking if anyone capable of logic had a rebuttal because I was a bit rushed with reality and all.

When Quag almost got lynched you tried to stop it because you knew he was town. Then you try to frame Sikario for 'trying to set up a lynch', which is BULLSHIT that you've constructed.

Sikario said we lynch Quagmire iirc, because that person is scum. Whenever Quagmire is proven scum and dead, we move on to lynch his hasdgfas (iirc). Unless Sikario is bussing his partner Quagmire, the only person trying to set someone up is you.

Now die.

No, I tried to stop it because it was a completely idiotic reason for lynching someone. And, in case you didn't notice, sikario

is

trying to set up a lynch. He said that we should lynch Quag and then me next if Quag comes up scum. That is 100% setting up a lynch.

I'm not trying to "set someone up", I'm trying to scumhunt

, which is hard when we're still stuck on quagmire and his role PM.

Especially when people such as you and sikario will not give it up

.

I'm not voting for sikario right now, because

the only thing I have on him is trying to set up a chain-lynch

and the fact that he won't get off of the Quagmire thing. I'm still on Peers because I still think he's scum based on what was said about 15 pages ago. If I see more suspicious stuff from sikario, I'll vote him, but right now,

I don't want him lynched

.

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What's the difference?

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Won't give it up? I interacted with Quagmire concerning this and we came to a conclusion. Short, sweet, and to the point.

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Yay!

... damn this game. I... I agree with ABR... I have to go clean my brain out with bleach now...

God help me, ABR is making perfect sense to me.

unvote

Vote: hasdgfas

You seem to agree with ABR a lot when it keeps suspicion off of you.

•

You seem to be lashing out left and right.

I

don't want to provoke you, I'm just saying that this is how you come off.

More later, I have to go to class...

[Sikario8]

God help me, ABR is making perfect sense to me.

unvote

Vote: hasdgfas

FoS: Peers

ABR is making less sense than usual in this game.

Sikario, why attack Has and not myself? I agree with Has's stance about Quagmire.

Pursuing him today is NOT useful to the town in any way. This setup has

NO

incentive for Quagmire to pull a stunt like this as scum, so we'd only be getting lucky if he died and came up scum

. Given that he has a much higher probability of being town than scum, we're taking a crapshoot in the dark here just because we don't like that he didn't read his role pm. It's a bullshit justification for people trying to push a bad wagon on Day 1. And you trying to set up a 1-2 lynch on Quag and Has doesn't make it any better.

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If this makes sense to you, then that's good and I appreciate your input, but it doesn't make sense to me; however, I don't think I'm still voting Quag cuz I stood down...I think. If I haven't, I'll go back and check.

If that statement doesn't make sense to you, clearly you believe that Quagmire has something to gain by doing this as scum

. What do you believe Quagmire, if he's scum, is trying to accomplish by claiming not to have read his role pm on Day 1?

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Not necessarily true; however, this may be so because of my wording. I don't know anything about Quag or his thought processes, so it's harder for me to try and discern his methods; therefore, I'll admit my mental defeat and relinquish my hold on it in order to allow someone more competent to input their opinion, i.e. you.

I say we lynch Quag and, once/if he turns up scum, we lynch has next; however, it's only a suggestion to the town.

Wow, setting up lynches now sikario?

And then saying that it's only a suggestion.

That is quite suspicious.

FoS: sikario

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I was going to comment on this, but ABR and Peers got to you first. How was I setting up lynches by making suggestions? No sarcasm here, but I'd appreciate if you'd help me out.

When you say that we should lynch someone based on how something else turns out, that is called setting up a chain-lynch, and it's not a good thing. It's something scum often do to try to get the town to follow their logic and lynch more townies. They usually happen based on bad logic as in, "if one person is scum, this other person must be as well." Can you see now what I was seeing? If not, I'm sure someone with more experience can explain to you better what I'm talking about.

I think setting up lynches is more of a scumtell than OMGUS

.

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Who told you that? Also: Setting up lynches...?

That didn't come out right. It was supposed to be that setting up a chain-lynch is a scumtell, and so is OMGUS. But both of them have problems with using them.

When Quag almost got lynched you tried to stop it because you knew he was town. Then you try to frame Sikario for 'trying to set up a lynch', which is BULLSHIT that you've constructed.

Sikario said we lynch Quagmire iirc, because that person is scum. Whenever Quagmire is proven scum and dead, we move on to lynch his hasdgfas (iirc). Unless Sikario is bussing his partner Quagmire, the only person trying to set someone up is you.

Now die.

No, I tried to stop it because it was a completely idiotic reason for lynching someone. And, in case you didn't notice, sikario

is

trying to set up a lynch. He said that we should lynch Quag and then me next if Quag comes up scum. That is 100% setting up a lynch.

I'm not trying to "set someone up", I'm trying to scumhunt

, which is hard when we're still stuck on quagmire and his role PM.

Especially when people such as you and sikario will not give it up

.

I'm not voting for sikario right now, because

the only thing I have on him is trying to set up a chain-lynch

and the fact that he won't get off of the Quagmire thing. I'm still on Peers because I still think he's scum based on what was said about 15 pages ago. If I see more suspicious stuff from sikario, I'll vote him, but right now,

I don't want him lynched

.

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What's the difference?

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Won't give it up? I interacted with Quagmire concerning this and we came to a conclusion. Short, sweet, and to the point.

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Yay!

Scumhunting is completely different than "setting someone up" or suggesting a chain lynch. Scumhunting is using evidence found from what someone has said to prove them as scum. Setting up a chain lynch is using evidence from someone else to prove them as scum, it's completely different.

... damn this game. I... I agree with ABR... I have to go clean my brain out with bleach now...

God help me, ABR is making perfect sense to me.

unvote

Vote: hasdgfas

You seem to agree with ABR a lot when it keeps suspicion off of you.

•

You seem to be lashing out left and right.

I

don't want to provoke you, I'm just saying that this is how you come off.

More later, I have to go to class...

Um, lashing out? I was making a comment about how Peers seems to follow ABR

whenever he changes wagons to someone other than him, possibly so that he can prevent the suspicion from coming back onto him. I'm still voting for Peers because I still find him most suspicious. Right now, I'm looking for ways to show that, and that comment was one of them.

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Sorry - once again, a bit rushed. What I meant was that there's been alot of attacks and comments in regards to you and by "lashing out" I meant that you're having to defend yourself frequently. That's all.

I'm trying to get to some analysis, but I wanted to respond to your questions and comments first, so I'll get to it as soon as possible. Sry.

[Sikario8]

pssst!

.... all the color-coded quotes are hurting my brain, people. Simplify, simplify, simplify...

pass it on!

[Sikario8]

Nobody's going to read all that crap, so tell us when you find the scum

, k ?

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Are you...serious?

[Sikario8]

found'im

unvote
vote ABR

votecount, pleezums?

[Sikario8]

Yeah

.

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So you

confess!

[Sikario8]

OMG,

Unvote, Vote:ABR

He confessed and it's in BLUE!

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EXACTLY! We are SO in sync!